| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 8/27/2008 6:37:17 PM |
What you might see as being intolerant some one else may call to have a passion towards.When people have a passion to an ideal,they want to change things,this is what brought about the civil rights movement,and the Vietnam war protests.
So true Energy……thank you!
It seems there are some people who take perverse pleasure in their efforts to be thread killers.
I am reminded by their behavior of goats. When goats have their fill of food they piss on it so no one else wants to eat what is left over.
If these intolerant people don't have anything to contribute to the thread maybe they should not post.
Awwww come on Onchy, it’s that kind of attitude that pits the “us and them” attitude which goes back to your original thought of tolerance and intolerance. Big difference between goats n humans….humans have perseverance and passion (Energy’s word)….. intolerant goats move from one extreme to another to the point of being pissed on or off….
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 8/27/2008 7:43:27 PM | Don't ya kind of get the feeling that some people are experts on this topic? And don't ya kind of find it frustrating?
I also think people are discussing 2 different types of tolerance in this thread, which really muddies the water in this great pond. Being a bottom feeder, I can see things from many angles. The first type of tolerance people are discussing has to do with accepting people of different ethnic backgrounds. The second type tolerance people are discussing has to do with putting up or not putting up with various things, like lactose intolerance. Finally, a poster has further muddied the waters by thinking this is all some kind of a game and declaring checkmate. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2008 7:58:41 PM | I didn't have the tolerance to read most of this thread, because some of the posts are excruciatingly long and repetative, but to me it's a simple inverse relationship: the stupider someone is, the less tolerant I am.
^^^^ people that are lactose intolerant = lactards. I can't tolerate them either. | |
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 8/27/2008 8:33:07 PM |
The first type of tolerance people are discussing has to do with accepting people of different ethnic backgrounds. The second type tolerance people are discussing has to do with putting up or not putting up with various things,
O.K. so in the O.P.'s thread he talked about the intolerance of different ethnic groups,and compared those to what he calls peoples intolerance of other peoples views on abortion,and other stuff like that [can't remember of hand ,but it was passionate stuff any way]
So there it is two different types of tolerance compared in the thread. | |
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Posted: 8/29/2008 11:40:49 AM | Great Forum. It's interesting to see how some people seem intolerant of other people's understanding of tolerance...( and yes I do know this is where we can can discuss this subject ad infinitum)
Hmms...Soooo tolerance of this life and all that is entails is what someone perceives it to be...hence one person's tolerance is anothers intolerance.
Is not tolerance of any kind a form of ignorance? One of my favourite quotes is :-
Do not reject what you do not understand...because with understanding ....there might be acceptance.
(unknown)
Enlightenment on any given subject MIGHT make one change their view. Maybe instead of intolerance...we should seek to understand more about something...before reaching a conclusion. (fools rush in where angels fear to tread...)
I confess I have no tolerance for abusers ( mental and physical) and paedophiles.
I also get annoyed with people who put what they perceive to be smart or funny remarks in any forum just to be....erm...funny and smart! Perhaps I better go research what those words mean. OMG...another intolerance perhaps ?
*Maggie shuts up*
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 8/29/2008 7:27:40 PM |
I also get annoyed with people who put what they perceive to be smart or funny remarks in any forum just to be....erm...funny and smart! Perhaps I better go research what those words mean. OMG...another intolerance perhaps ?
Woman always say they like a man that can make them laugh, I think they are sexy with a sprinkling of anger.Emotion in it self is kind of sexy. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 2:31:50 PM | I confess that I am both tolerant and intolerant. What I strive to be and what I am right now...are two different things. I think empathy is a wonderful attribute to have though I admit that in situations where I have had a difference of opinion...I tend to think first of my views on the matter...and then I think of the other persons view. I think thats called being 'human' as someone pointed out earlier on in this thread.
If - in a hypothetical situation - I did apologise for being biased in any particular way...but did not take the time to search for reasons why another person feels the way they do...then it becomes a false apology...worthless and an insult to them. My aim in life is to better understand those views who differ from my own. We will always be part and parcel of the sum of what we have experienced in this life...challenging our thoughts and finding clarity and understanding is what I believe is the answer.
[/Woman always say they like a man that can make them laugh, I think they are sexy with a sprinkling of anger.Emotion in it self is kind of sexy.]
Well said energy08!
We all like people who can make us laugh. Humour is a great way to express your opinion because it lessens the impact of what we say... It also tells us that the person who has expressed said humour is concious of how words can either 'whisper' or 'shout'
I know I am digressing from the thread ( apologies in advance) ...but I do love your phrase ...'sexy with a sprinkling of anger' To me there is nothing sexier than humour and passion. | |
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 8/31/2008 1:59:42 PM |
Can tolerance ever be purely positive?
Whenever I think of Tolerance the first thing that comes to mind is Ignorance, and we all know the ramifications of that particular word.
So no, imo it cannot relate to anything positive, rather, it reminds me of the fact how divided we truly stand in understanding that which we "choose" to Not understand.
Hence the introduction of fear.
Which ultimately IS the greater subject.
I've read to much of Freud and Jung to even consider the word "tolerance", to me it's little more than blanket word to justify being ignorant.
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 11/27/2008 4:44:05 PM | I wonder how tolerant some people will be in their discussion on God being described in one word.
When it comes to discussing religion, faith, deities, and gods I find it interesting how strongly some will defend their beliefs, and sometimes without tolerance for other beliefs. | |
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Posted: 11/27/2008 5:44:47 PM | Funny thing this "tolerance". I have read about it (Blake) and watched and observed life since I was a child and one thing I noticed for sure is that a lot of intolerance comes from "fear of the unknown" or "ignorance". More often than not, those at the bottom of the evolutionary scale in society seem more prone to attack that which they do not understand. And this is a common human defensive reaction, which is the norm it seems.
OP, if we lost the sun that lights our days what would night then be called? If you delete one of two opposites, the other in turn looses it's definition. So long as we have day and night, white and black, hot and cold we will continue to have tolerance And intolerance of every kind.
Have you noticed how we compete in life in Canada for almost everything? This is what I know of as a hierarchial society. Well, my Utopia is a place of harmony where nobody works except to do things for others. This is my idea of the opposite of this rat race of competition.
I am for the most part a tolerant person and hae no problem accepting new perspectives. Some I might accept and believe in and some I reject. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2008 2:41:36 AM | | Intolerance of others' opinions sometimes leads to obstinacy of one's own opinions which can then lead to arrogance & criticism. I think both tolerance & intolerance are positive traits & have their place in life. Tolerance of the opinions of & differences in others is good. But it's also good to be intolerant of those who are abusive, rude, selfish, etc. 'cause no one should have to put up with that crap. I'm pretty patient, understanding & tolerant. Depending on the severity or intensity of the situation, I have been known to hold out for a very long time before I blow. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2008 8:49:56 PM | Intolerance of another's way of life - be it religious beliefs, what to wear, how to speak, how to address a person of differing ethnic origins - is based on experiences. How one conducts their intolerances is the defining line.
Life experiences can change a person's views against an0ther based on a traumatic occurance, Social-economic situations, and poor understanding of another culture.
Having understanding of another culture however does not preclude Tolerance will happen; it is the ability to find commonality between the people that leads to Tolerance.
i.e. If an entire community has lived within a particular set of beliefs. When that same community is told their lives have no meaning according to those beliefs, who is the intolerant one? Why should the community stop believing/living the way they have done in the past? Change is not always progressive. Different ideals are not always a strength just because they are different. The change has to be agreeable to everyone in a significantly positive way or the change becames the avenue for further intolerance.
Interesting subject OP
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Posted: 11/29/2008 11:25:56 AM | Are you a tolerant or intolerant person?
I have the capacity to contain contradiction.
In other words, I have some pretty set ideas, but if you can convince me that there is a better way, I am more than happy to ruminate. I am especially happy when I can incorporate others ideas and see a way to blend some of mine with some of others.
I'm not sure I can call myself exceptionally tolerant, I try my best to hold my tongue until I can really ponder what another has said..not always done but always strived for.
I am most content when I am learning. Shedding old outdated ideals and ideas for the betterment of myself. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2008 11:29:51 AM | Depends
As I age I find I suffer fools less well
Children and young adults will get the most tolerance I have to give.
Certain types I do not tolerate;
Two faced people
Bigots
Holier than thous
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 6/27/2009 1:08:54 PM | June 27 2009
Some recent discussions here have included some voicing of strong opinions, quite divided at times. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I'm referring to
Former Soviet KGB agent Lennikov takes sanctuary in a church
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts12467197.aspx
Free Rides
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts12597421.aspx
and of course
Michael Jackson Dead at Age 50
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts12617057.aspx
The comments got to me thinking about tolerance and intolerance, and how some people see only in black and white, while others see also the gray in between and I think show more tolerance than others do.
Have you found that over time your level of tolerance might change? perhaps you are truly getting wiser as you get older?
Has discussing your beliefs and feelings in the above discussions in the POF forums and others like it made you reconsider how you feel, or perhaps be more flexible in your approval or acceptance of people?
I try to think back and compare how I felt about things a few years ago and how I feel now and believe there has been change, more flexibility. Some standards are less important to me now. | |
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 6/27/2009 2:50:58 PM |
True ignorance is often a combination of slowed ability to learn (poor IQ), lack of exposure to new things (or repeated reinforcement of the same negative things), and fear of change.
its a bit of a generalization, isn't it ? One that could also be interpreted as ignorant
Some people may have seen enough BS in life and chose those things they enjoy rather than following herds of sheep that just found the wheel reinvented | |
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Posted: 6/27/2009 4:23:37 PM | ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.
I think ms farstalot's definition was very accurate, are you sure that is the part you take issue with ML1?
at BE: I think I have only posted in one of the recent threads mentioned, and I would say that it has only re-affirmed my intolerance of some people.... for all I know it could be mutual as well. oh-well! | |
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Posted: 6/27/2009 5:07:19 PM | Poor ML1....
I don't think you could've been beaten up this badly with a stick.......
But hey......you've taken one for team.......
Redemption is iminant, justa matter of time right?...... | |
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 6/27/2009 6:13:43 PM |
Some people may have seen enough BS in life and chose those things they enjoy rather than following herds of sheep that just found the wheel reinvented.
If people feel that they have seen too much BS, they should try and change their perspective. Look at things from different angles.
Ignorance is often the result of lack of exposure to different people, places, values, beliefs and so on, which in turn leads to low tolerance. The more exposure you have to different people, the more you realize we are all similar. | |
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