| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/2/2009 7:29:05 AM |
These people are not "Them", they are us.
Where did we learn the arrogance required to "tolerate" anyone.
We must understand and accept that which is good in us and NOT tolerate that which seeks to tell us that we are better than "The Other".
Great thoughts!
I’ve often fallen into despair in the truest sense of the word when people are disrespected. I now know how and where its’ been coming from. Thankyou!
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/2/2009 7:51:54 AM | My valid, detailed points do not hypocrisy make.
Deaf ears can label them anyway they want, by missing the details( AND selectively editing quotes), and DO!
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/2/2009 10:29:41 AM | Hey every body . I am a libra so i am not very tolerant of conflicts.
I wish the forums couldget back to normal. I'd love to see peace and humour in the pond.
Enough of the criticism. Lets all just accept that we all have our differences and not BASH each other.
Sometimes certain posters annoy or irritate me and often i choose to step away from the keyboard or try to stick to the topic at hand rather than personally attack other posters.
We are all people behind our screens. Lets not forget that 
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/2/2009 11:17:32 AM | Well said mo-mo!!  
It was discouraging to see how what was mostly a thought-provocative thread could get so derailed by long-winded and/or negative comments.
Yes, count me in for the group hug. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2009 12:35:28 PM | I find it both disturbing and interesting. I wonder what it says about us as a collective group. I think it is very telling.
mm --- you are excellent at not take stabs at posters and a lot can be learned from your example. | |
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/3/2009 7:05:22 PM | | Tolerence breeds contempt. In the thought vacuumn, the wishy washy ones can be exploited by their corporate owners or blow which way the wind blows while they compacently believe their meekly humble opinions, or lack of them, as worthwhile or worthless as the next person's. Generally, if you like your own thoughts, you should be ready to do battle with them. | |
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/4/2009 10:13:11 AM | Abacusblack
Tolerance can only go so far if it never earned and never returned.
Sounds wonderful!
I find when the above happens, there is a sense of violation to spirit and a sense of disrespect- dignity lost. Thank you
General comments: Less tolerant and the tolerant - Overall I saw some very interesting points positioned as well as definitions that drove the topic. Most opinions were given at a very personal learning level while others ‘trying’ to remain objective displayed by choices of words and schooled by ‘higher learnings’. Some responses were thought provoking that sent me into a spiral of questioning beliefs I have held dear from the past.
At the same time, I have been questioning how this topic here in the forums remains incomplete / unfinished in my mind (lol). I have come to the conclusion that the heated discussions that previously took place did not acknowledge change of beliefs or clarifications and yet no resolve within me and the thinking ends with the prominent means of bashing.
Balled Eagle:
I find it unacceptable to question the opinions of others without placing dialogue as a president. I find it inequitable for all parties with a display of arrogance in that I perceive you as quite intelligent considering how you place you’re forum posts. I tend to feel manipulated when there is no balance of power…lol I posted to you Balled Eagle some questions and you’ve chose to ignore them. |I placed changes before you (personal opinions) that I’ve felt and seen as a result of forum postings and still nothing.
In supporting another person on bashing you comfortably emphasized :
It was discouraging to see how what was mostly a thought-provocative thread could get so derailed by long-winded and/or negative comments.
This I perceive as being stated disregarding all those fine thoughts of tolerance and intolerance of those that participated in the discussion.
Reading into this level of tolerance tells me you had another agenda. What was really your intent? What would you have prescribed? I thought those thought provoking threads conveyed meaning for those posters. Negative meaning what? That they were not thinking your strand of thought? We would never know as you posed nothing but questions. Am I left thinking your answers are in how you posed your questions?
In general, the use of ‘Tolerance’ originated as result of religious differences in the world. Let it be that tolerance stay within those worlds.
Observing this thread after saying how it’s impacted me gives me time now to question how the two words chosen above specifically with reference to the topics discussed in the forums is more a reflection of behaviour and not the topics. Could be more contemplation is better spent on how we use our words with examples . Those ‘danglers’ make for negative responses.
much of the conflict and misery in our world? …..Do you have any advice for our less-tolerant forum brethren, advice they might consider before making a post in the forums?
How we place words to place emphasis gives permission to the slant of opinions: be respectful to yourself and others will follow. Giving advice where none was warranted also gives an air superiority….
MO:
Enough of the criticism. Lets all just accept that we all have our differences and not BASH each other.
I saw attempts at dismantling beliefs with supporting information.
Sometimes certain posters annoy or irritate me
Just a suggestion: Inspeaking for those that just wanted to be heard, how they might have been perceived by you is not their issue anymore until you pose what your preference might be in order not to be annoyed or irritated. Leaving it on the table in the order of not to bash requires some perameters. What annoys you?
I ask for the reasons that I am included as a poster and would want to know if what I said annoyed you or irritated you and maybe my and others approach might be different next time.
Hal:
Tolerence breeds contempt. In the thought vacuumn, the wishy washy ones can be exploited …. wind blows while they compacently believe their meekly humble opinions, or lack of them, as worthwhile or worthless as the next person's. Generally, if you like your own thoughts, you should be ready to do battle with them.
I agree! My thoughts is who I am - how I might decipher them is usually a reflection of the impact I have made with the knowledge to correct or learn if need be.
Silibus:
"fear of the unknown" or "ignorance".
More often than not, those at the bottom of the evolutionary scale in society seem more prone to attack that which they do not understand. And this is a common human defensive reaction, which is the norm it seems.
AM sure you don’t mean this….
This is what I know of as a hierarchial society.
Well, my Utopia is a place of harmony where nobody works except to do things for others.
As long as the idea is prevalent that you have these two conflicting beliefs and actions – there will be conflict with you…would you agree? Am curious.
Shiraz:
it is the ability to find commonality between the people that leads to Tolerance. ….….. The change has to be agreeable to everyone in a significantly positive way or the change becames the avenue for further intolerance.
I agree.
For the sake of posting, and some intolerances viewed. Might be ideal to give supporting arguments to thoughts rather than throwing out words so that your posts are not misinterpreted. Oh hell – be long winded.
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/26/2009 4:09:46 AM |
It is interesting to observe in the forums how some people show little tolerance for difference on opinion issues dear to them, or different standards or morals that they live their lives by
It appears ~ that a pof member may have left this site.
I admit that I somewhat "miss" his spiritual and prophetic musings,
which to me were refreshingly "different" than the usual Forum Humour.
I wonder was there perhaps a lack of Intolerance shown by posters that
may have contributed to his departure. | |
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/26/2009 7:30:21 AM | wonder was there perhaps a lack of Intolerance shown by posters that
may have contributed to his departure.
I do not tolerate flooding and trolling, no matter what the slant, on the forums.
Neither does the management of this site. This is not intolerance toward a person, or type of person, but rejection of a certain behaviour. He may be gone, now. As of yesterday only his posts were gone for the forum violations I mentioned above, his profile remained. He MAY have had the warning I requested and some time off from posting and that may have proved to be unacceptable to him. No platform for his obvious agenda = no wish to participate on the forums and follow some simple rules of consideration for others.That in itself proves the innapropriateness of his intentions when posting, to me. It's amazing how defensive/emotional people get when someone objects to a repeated imposition of language that is religious (in an inappropriate place) and yet if it is sexist or has a lot of unneccesary swearing, blindly ignorant statements etc, it is agreed generally speaking, by the forum population to be unacceptable. | |
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/26/2009 8:22:38 AM | Rita Hayward This is a perfect quote for you:
"You are a child of God, small games do not work in this world. For those around us to feel peace, it is not an example to make ourselves small. We were born to express the glory of God that lives in us. It is not in some of us, it is in all of us. While we allow our light to shine, we unconsciously give permission for others to do the same. When we liberate ourselves from our own fears, simply our presence may liberate others."
- Marianne Williamson in Return to Love: Reflections on a Course in Miracles
Could be you might have to be more tolerant…I found the above quote in your profile.
That person you make reference to may not have left because of your complaints to moderators – he may have chose for reasons other than your intolerance.
Beautiful quote...you might read it sometime... | |
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/26/2009 8:35:37 AM | The original question:
<div class="quote">So I ask...
Do you agree that it is the intolerant that are largely responsible for much of the conflict and misery in our world?
Not intolerance, Religion.
The Crusades
The Salem witchhunt
The slaughter of the aboriginals in the Old West
Residential Schools in Canada
Hitler's Germany and the Jews
The Irish Catholic/Protestant issues
Falon Gong
The Middle Eastern Moslems between themselves
Al Khaeda (don't deduct points for bad spelling)
Suicide bombers in Isreal
Catholic settlement in Japan
Communism making religion 'illegal' in Russia, China
Is it any wonder Religion is such a hot button with so many people?
Talk amongst yourselves.
edit: msg #116 - dangerously close to flame-baiting. | |
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/26/2009 8:44:03 AM | ^^^RWW, well said, and ... I love that quote.
Do you have difficulty seeing both sides of an issue?
Yes, often. Sometimes it's is impossible for us to fully understand another perspective because we have not "walked in those shoes". But I have no trouble accepting the fact that there is a difference...and no trouble leaving it be without the need to change anyone.
Can you sometimes see yet another route or option other than clearly defined "white" or "black"? Will you accept the "gray" route or option?
Black or white? Gray??? Yuck!!! No mi amor, I live my life in full technicolor!
Do you have any advice for our less-tolerant forum brethren, advice they might consider before making a post in the forums?
Maybe not advice, but I would really like to see people took the time to read carefully the OT and other people's posts before jumping in with misunderstandings and consequent defensive nonsense.
hotter than Latino lovers
and more generally:
lovable , hugable, tolerant, learned, humble, non controlling ; in other words: invincible - ML
You called??
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/26/2009 9:02:26 AM |
Maybe not advice, but I would really like to see people took the time to read carefully the OT and other people's posts before jumping in with misunderstandings and consequent defensive nonsense.
With Respect MN: Because this thread was definitely a hot topic for me as I felt the OP was making a joke out of recent experiences of the time that led to this posting.
During the time – issues like “Dick Savage” and the issue of First Nations going into a church disrupting a sacred service to make a point of children not accounted for Re: res schooling were extremely hot topics and a few others. It appeared at the time I kept expressing without understanding coming forth with particular posters. In effect, I felt a lot of the wording of the OP was made in jest as to a behaviour and a thread surfaced. I was not flattered at all…lol
To me MN…the last thing I wanted as an observer was to have people walking away with the OP’s projected thoughts.
Trigger?
However sometimes a poster is clearly so frustrated by others not accepting their position on a topic, that when we read their post we can easily visualize him or her with clenched fists and angrily stomping their foot, virtually screaming "why don't you understand what I am saying?!!!" They repeat themselves and try to present their opinion in every conceivable way they can, generally with little success in convincing the POF masses.
They appear unable to accept that other values maybe right for other. Moreover they cannot see other options, the gray between the black and the white.
It is not my intent to relive this thread - but to make clear my behavior with no apologies.
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Posted: 7/26/2009 10:35:39 AM | I can see how this is truly a "hot topic". It is the same topic in real life that brings on divorces, kids leaving home too soon, etc.... and lawyers in general.
It is the same common thread of longing in every profile, post or person: the need to belong and be understood, to feel connected.
There is no need to apologise, there is nothing wrong with any of this, only the frustration we experience when others "don't get it" and on top of it they judge us.
I keep reminding myself: There are no victims in the forums, only volunteers
How interesting, that maybe nothing bothers us until we meet some intolerant bozo and we become intolerant of their intolerance.... hahahaha! That's me, raising my hand...guilty!
They appear unable to accept that other values maybe right for other. Moreover they cannot see other options, the gray between the black and the white.
When I mentioned "technicolor " in my previous post, I was not joking. Why live in the gray when there is so much more beauty, possibility and medicine in color?
Honestly! Think about it!!
Have you ever thought of how our world would change if someone was intolerant of the color red, let's say, and it was oblitereated from creation?
Our world would only be in different shades of blue, yellow and green.
There would be no oranges or purples or browns...none!
 Would it be fair that the rest of the world would miss out on such beauty simply because someone did not like the color red... OR A CERTAIN POST OR POSTER?
RWW, I read your pain in your words. I feel it.
Words are only tools and we choose what we'll do with them: edify or destroy.
Then there are the readers. It seems to me very few are actually receptive. Some insist on reading between the lines (poor choice) and some will take what is said and stab themselves with it, then they blame the writer for bleeding to death.
As a reader or writer, each of us have a responsibility...and that is to come from a place of honesty (w/o egos) and keep intact the dignity of others, as well as ours.
So what if someone does not understand me? Next!
I cannot affort to make myself sick because of someone else's problems of intolerance.
RWW, I enjoy your words. The time will come. Don't get stress out and hurt/sick, we need you around.
Cannot blame the deaf 'cause they cannot hear.
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/26/2009 11:01:49 AM | I consider myself tolerant! I believe everyone should be free to believe, and practice what-ever they wish, as long as it is not harmful to others!
I consider myself a spiritual person, as I am motivated by things that inspire me.
Most religions are good; many people benefit greatly from organized religion, and many good things are accomplished by organized religion.
I feel that the problem occurs when religon is used to limit thinking, and as a political tool. | |
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 7/26/2009 11:26:40 AM |
It appears ~ that a pof member may have left this site.
I admit that I somewhat "miss" his spiritual and prophetic musings,
which to me were refreshingly "different" than the usual Forum Humour.
I wonder was there perhaps a lack of Intolerance shown by posters that
may have contributed to his departure.
I have not experienced anyone’s words and thoughts like IAM007 before here in the forums. Judging from some comments - it appears the intolerant make the majority which is the basis of it's definition. Although I have not known IAM007 at a personal level…I am forever grateful for his musings for it was his strength and use of words that allowed or gave me permission to think of forgiving those that I could not forgive.
forgivness is the first step to entering paradise within. You must let go in order not to attach to the dis ease of living. Our enlightened one, if you wish to share in the pain of this world then attach to its misery.I go as I came knowing I have been forgiven so that I may also let go.
With forgivness, I have bowed to thy higher self in acknowledging my true oneness.
Praise be to the won, whom understands while walking in the shoes of another.
This excerpt needs to apply to tolerance ad intolerance.
I copied the thread What is Forgiveness for my living journal ( I copy all threads I post in ….lol) as it was a major event in re framing my thoughts and knowing the truest sense of the word what the definition of compassion is. I find it very sad that his posts along with some threads just poofed into the POF graveyard....it truly is amazing how some POF members have the power of complaint – and to assert great pleasure in having created such an act.
I will miss IAM007 and his threads.....
It is with tolerance of differing views that learning happens about yourself and how we step beyond ego and realize we are JUST humans wanting to relate and connect.
Loved reading your thoughts on tolerance MN…so wise…
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Posted: 7/26/2009 3:03:59 PM | I agree that it is too bad double oo7 left this site and it just shows that we might not be as tolerant as we like to think we are.
I think if oo7 was put off by the comments in the Kelowna Thread, he should rethink his departure because people were fairly stressed out by the fires.
I, too, feel that I am a bit of misfit in here and for that reason take a lot of mud slinging.
The best thing I have learned is just to ignore the lack of tolerance and stay true to what you believe.
There is sort of a prototypical poster type here and if you are not it, watch out. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2009 3:15:35 PM |
I agree that it is too bad double oo7 left this site and it just shows that we might not be as tolerant as we like to think we are
I seek more Tolerance. To understand better, the less -Tolerant. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2009 11:23:26 AM | Well, that is kind of obvious. I am sure nobody wants to be tolerant or less tolerant but feelings are getting hurt over there. Also, people have had different life experiences and they see things differently.
This too shall pass. We are all, after all, only human and what we are is what we are.
However, keep in mind that all ethnic groups are human and deserve to be treated with respect.
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Posted: 8/12/2009 11:52:49 PM | Me - I never "got" 007. I thought his posts were so bad that I couldn't even read through to the end. I'm surprised that he gets a eulogy on here.
Maybe I'm the one who is way off-base here and 007 has met someone who really gets him and they are waxing off spiritual prose together as I write. Good for him if so.
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| The tolerant and the less-tolerant
Posted: 8/13/2009 10:08:19 AM | With respect to 007's "Eulogy," I think the posts were more about how some people were not very tolerant of 007's posting style than a eulogy.
I didn't really understand all that he said either. What I do understand that is some posters were 'nasty' to him because of his spiritual views, which is not very tolerant. | |
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Posted: 8/13/2009 4:29:18 PM | I think certain types of intolerance are fear based. The best example would be racism. People are experts in this area say the best way to reduce racism is to expose people of different races to one another. Through exposure we learn that we are more alike than unlike.
It is interesting that psychologists treat phobias through desensitization and exposure. They gradually expose the person with a phobia to what she/he fears.
You do not have to be a rocket scientist to see the parallel in reducing racism and reducing phobias. | |
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