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Posted: 9/6/2008 8:27:37 PM | BRAVO!  Nola Chick... your post is so chock full of the right stuff I'd have to copy and paste the whole darn thing.. You Rock!  | |
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Posted: 9/6/2008 9:26:27 PM | We live in a world today where folks change partners like they change old underwear.
Often with the same irreverence.
I often see in womens' profiles that they require a partner who "makes me laugh".
So what happens when there's some problem that causes her personal Seinfeld not to be so funny for a while? She becomes "independent".
No Soup For You! . . .NEXT!!! | |
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Posted: 9/6/2008 11:15:24 PM | Hi Nola Chick,
I think you need to go back and re-read all of the forum comments that I have made. I believe you will see that my intent at no time was to tear anyone down. In fact, I have tried to focus on various positive aspects of women. Read the profile reviews I did for women.
Some comments that I have made were to invoke thought (e.g. "Thoughts?) Some of the comments that you or one or two other women took offense to were actually the thoughts of many men I have conversed with. Would you rather not know what a majority of men (at least a majority of the men I have talked with) think on those topics.
You have taken several things out of context. Specifically, women competing against hundreds or thousands- you mean there aren't that many other women on this site, and most men aren't going to pick a woman with a shapely body over an unshapely one, I didn't say they needed to compete with, I stated the fact that they are in competition, like it or not; and then really out of context the comment about Eve's hot body JUST to arouse Adam.
I'm not sure why you have taken such a negative view on the things that I have said. Are you a feminist? Most men definitely do not like feminists. Whether they have the .... to speak up here or anywhere else doesn't mean they like the fem movement. Look what everyone's being quiet has done for the things that at one time were just good Christian America. Things like the gay rights movement. How disgustingly sick and condemned in the Bible.
By the way, the percentage of women initiating divorces in the 19th century is only a percentage of the divorces filed. In those days it was a miniscule percentage of the population, now it is epidemic. We've come a long way since the women's suffrage movement. America has become terribly immoral--we kill unborn babies, we give animals more rights than some humans, we have gays and lesbians everywhere-even let them get married and adopt kids, our public schools are in shambles, kids don't respect adults or anybody, and divorce is . Like I said before, "Say it ain't so Joe."
Incidentally, I have had plenty of interest from women. I've had at least ten women in the two weeks I've been on here that said my profile was excellent. I guess some women don't look at me or comments I make from such a negative frame a reference as you do. I think if you read what I have said, rather than adding your own interpretation between the lines or words, you will look at me differently.
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Posted: 9/7/2008 12:07:06 AM | I wasn't gonna comment becuase the women have been doing an excellent job.
Until now I have only been mildly offended by being lumped together with the men you speak of.
I had a very long rant typed out but since it was more vitriol than point....
I strongly disagree on MANY points. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 9:30:05 AM | Soapyguy,
I'm not lumping anyone in anywhere. Many means many. It doesn't mean all. Your disgreeing with me and looking at things from an opposing perspective doesn't mean that you are in the majority.
Why do we have two major political parties? Because of differences of opinion, morals, background, perspective, goals, etc. Something is badly haywire in this country, and I know it is easy for democrats (I am a republican, but don't agree with plenty that the Rep. leaders have done or are doing.) to point their fingers at the republicans and say they are the reason for all the problems, and that they, the democrats, will solve all of those problems. Won't happen. With ungodly morals, you can't solve our problems.
I think things started to go haywire when God and the Bible's importance were diminished in this country. It's been a continuing downward slide as both are pretty much neglected all together now.
The country was founded on "In God We Trust." Now that is sometimes verbalized, but very rarely lived. Refer to some of the moral conditions I mentioned in my last post.
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Posted: 9/7/2008 10:09:56 AM |
The country was founded on "In God We Trust." Now that is sometimes verbalized, but very rarely lived. Refer to some of the moral conditions I mentioned in my last post.
No it wasn't. It was founded on INDEPENDENCE.
It's interesting to note that the Constitution is free from specific references to "God." As a matter of fact, it mentions religion only to guarantee the religious belief would never be used as a qualification for holding office (Article 6, Section 3, U.S. Constitution.) Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration of Independence is a radical departure from the idea of divine authority.
"In God We Trust" wasn't even used on our our currency until 1864 (when people started becoming more and more religious as the Civil War raged on) and didn't become the United States official motto until the height of the Cold War in 1956.
The orginal Pledge of Allegiance, written in 1892, by socialist Francis Bellamy, makes no mention of the words "under God" nor did it even use the words "United States." The words, "under God" were not added until 1952, during the Cold War.
It was during the 1950's the conservative Christian movement, spurred on by the fear of "those godless commies" started to try to introduce legislation and amendments to the constitution to proclaim America a country devoted to Jesus. The Supreme Court ruled in 1971 that the words "under God" inserted in the pledge for the express purpose of endorsing religion was UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
So, it's possible to say that all the problems of modern society of the past 50 years that you have been alluding to as caused by godlessness are, in fact, caused by those who would presume to usurp the independence of the United States and it's governance by THE PEOPLE in favor of the rule of religion and those who wield it as a weapon to deny our citizens of their INDEPENDENCE of thought, belief and action. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 1:06:31 PM | Well Nola,
It is obvious to see where you're coming from. It's funny how our history books have been subtly changed over the years to make Christians look like the ignorant, misguided ones. The separation of church and state written into our constitution was to protect the church from the state, not vice versa. Why did the early American pioneers leave their motherlands to come to America? For many it was to escape the mandated state religion/domination of their homeland governments.
Sorry, you are a product of our modern societal teaching that wants to do away with God and open the door to "accumulating teachers according to their own desires." I know I will be accused of being an intolerant bigot. They crucified Jesus for doing His Father's will. By His grace I am forgiven. He died for your sins too.
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Posted: 9/7/2008 1:29:11 PM | The moral conditions in your last post forgot a few things.... that is assuming your following a stricter interpertation of the bible... if your not following a strict interpertation what are you following... your good common sense?
The Moral conditions I speak of are located right next to every gay bashing christians favorite line. Among the entries are 17 CHAPTERS on how to SACRIFICE ANIMALS properly to god.
Actually unless you keep Kosher, you are simply choosing the morals you like from a VERY large list. In leviticus it does say thou shalt not lie with mankind as thou layest with womankind. 1 entry on the subject. There are 17 entries telling you not to eat shellfish, several entries about how to dress (that plaid your wearing is an abomination in the eyes of the lord), on what kinds of slaves to keep etc. None if it seems apropriate to todays society. But somehow this 1 entry from the old testament is important. Whose decision was that?
As for you not "lumping people together" you do quite bit of that through your posts here are few examples.
"I'm not sure why you have taken such a negative view on the things that I have said. Are you a feminist? Most men definitely do not like feminists. Whether they have the .... to speak up here or anywhere else doesn't mean they like the fem movement. Look what everyone's being quiet has done for the things that at one time were just good Christian America. Things like the gay rights movement. How disgustingly sick and condemned in the Bible."
The feminist movement is part of the same social ills as homosexuality? I dunno of any political movemnts in the animal kingdom, but there are plenty of examples of same sex behaviours.
"It is funny that there was a day over 100 years ago when divorce was rare. And women were happy. Of course women didn't work much outside the home then, and they couldn't vote. We have progressed since then."
The suffrage movement started in the 1820's well before the 1900's date you are claiming when women were still happy? If that was the case then the suffrage movement was caused by?
"As a man, and I think I am representative of most men, it is often the way women, or our woman, communicates to us that is the problem. Yes "to" and not "with". Many communicate in a condescending (the she is smarter than he), or else an "I've been victimized by men," tone or frame of reference like Wordstar does in so many of her posts."
As a Man I think you represent a small percentage of men, because no one I talk to would be able to continue a conversation with you... most of them would politely show you the door. A few of them might also show you a couple boots first, but that wouldn't be me. I can tell you live in a small town, because the idea pool you are drawing experience from is small. In a larger city you are not the majority.
"it is often the way women or our woman, communicates to us that is the problem"... You want everyone to understand your point of view as a man but don't take the time to listen and see it from her perspective. Sociopathic much? That has to be the case because I haven't found any real difference in how many people I can talk to and communicate with. Sure thiers always people you can't communicate with but I've only found that as a personality conflict not a gender conflict.
See I don't read woodstars post with the condescending tone at all... maybe she is smarter than you. As for her "tone of being victimized" it was a short account of being victimized but it sure as hell wasn't a "oh woes me, men are horrible" it was "this one time at band camp".
"Actually some of the comments were to Waterviewtoo. Doggonit, why do you gals both have to start with a W? I know it takes a real wizard to keep those titles apart. Maybe if one of you was called WATERBUFFALO I would have distinguished you better. Then again I imagine not too many woman want to be thought of like that."
I'll summarize this one.
"I made a mistake, but its really your fault. Fat cow... just kidding"
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Posted: 9/7/2008 1:36:29 PM | Here's an excerpt taken from the Treaty of Tripoli, written during George Washington's term in office and ratified during John Adams' time. This is the actual wording, not some "subtly changed textbook" with an anti-christian agenda:
Art. 11. "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
Interesting how two of our founding fathers would not only create, but ratify a document stating "the Government of the United States of America IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELGION..."
I'm sorry, Wes, but your information is incorrect. It is extremely biased and built upon a foundation of justification and wishfull thinking. Once upon a time I was a die-hard fundamentalist Christian who made the same arguments you are making now, until I did my homework and discovered for myself what the truth is, without relying on any one group or mindset to dictate it for me.
I left the church, not because I didn't love God, or because I had "backslided." I left because I was tired of being lied to by people who supposedly represented God but, in fact, only represented their interpretation of God to suit their own agendas. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 1:43:06 PM | Soapguy, you rock. 
Your response reminds me a little of this:
An Open Letter To Dr. Laura Schlessinger
Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2008 4:31:10 AM | I found this thread a little disconcerting at first. I have had to deal with men such as our original poster more than once in my life. I find no honoring in men such as these. When "these" men would tell me how I am here for them...using christian/judiac/islamic scripture to validate their position...I would show a scripture that said just the opposite.
I will not lower my standards and quote such things again in my life time.
I spent the weekend with Men of such unbelievable caliber! Strong Men! Men who know how to honor the strength that is Woman. Men who seek Women of Independent Nature. It renewed my belief that Man and Woman can be awesome together as long as they always acknowledge the Higher Being that dwells in us all. There is nothing more powerful than to be in the company of a Man who acknowledges his "godness" and to have my "goddessness" acknowledged.
Thank you, Soapyguy. I spent this weekend with men such as you. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2008 4:44:28 AM | Oh...there are some pretty awesome women posting here...and, yes...opie...we're to smart for you.
Go to the library. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2008 7:53:44 AM | Those of you who have quoted from the Old Testament Law show your ignorance of the purpose of that Law and the fact that when Christ came he fulfilled the law. He was the final and complete sacrifice and payment for mankind's sins. Though God's killing his own son on the cross was so painful for Him that he couldn't even look on him because he took all sin on himself, at the same time Jesus' death was pleasing to God for it accomplished the covering of man's sins and removed the gulf between He and they.
None of the Old Testament sacrifices, the blood of bulls, goats, sheep or any other animal could take away man's sins. Nor are any of those sacrifices required today. Those who continue those OT practices do not acknowledge or accept that Jesus Christ was the Messiah who took away the sins of the world with his death.
The purpose of the law was to show man that he was incapable of doing or being what God required him to be. He could not live a sinless life, and one sin is enough to keep him out of heaven. God the Father cannot be in the presence of sin. So what to do? From before creation God already knew man would fail, and, therefore, he had made provision for that future failure through the future sacrifice of his son Jesus Christ.
Try reading the New Testament.
The beauty of God is that he loves you who want to write your own laws, lack of them, or create each of you his/her own belief system, even those who try to re-write his word or do away with him altogether, and he loves me and people like BestKeptSecret, who believe his written word and desire to apply it to our lives.
I know, "the wisdom of God is foolishness to man." It is pretty overwhelming to believe God's love can extend to even the worst sinner if that sinner will only reach out and accept it. I know I don't deserve God's love. But thanks be to Jesus Christ my saviour, I receive it inspite of myself.
By the way, since Jesus didn't just die, but was resurrected alive the third day, we too who believe, have been resurrected to a new victorious life in Him. Is it a life without struggles like everyone else? Not hardly. But we have a hope and strength to help in our time of trouble.
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Posted: 9/8/2008 1:31:42 PM | Really?
Thats the position your gonna take on ALL of those comments?
Tell you what I will stop assuming your following old testament when you stop referencing it.
"My comment to OP (huntingals): Your profile states you are a Christian man with Christian values (and I appreciate this) and I see in other postings on other threads, that you have pulled out the Adam and Eve card reminding people of why women were created for man, and how women are to look thin and pleasing for their men’s eyes."
Besides the creation story of Adam and Eve isn't even Christian, all of the themes of genesis are borrowed from the sumerians.
Around 3500 years before Jesus walked the earth a group of people we call Sumerians wrote a creation myth. Featured prominetly in the myth is the battle between the brothers Enki, and Enlil. The nam-shub (poem or spell) of Enki is the story of the tower of Babel. They also wrote the story of the flood and the garden of eden. In which Enlil (portrayed as the devil) has decided to keep mankind as slaves and has kept the knowledge of procreation from us. Enki realizing his creation (mankind) was going to be abused, and forever in servitude to petty gods freed us with the apple of knowledge (of sex). So that mankind could procreate without the intervention of the gods, and could free ourselves from the job of mining gold for the gods. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2008 7:40:42 PM | In the bible we have the Virtuous Wife in Proverbs 31 who “cares for her household” by rising early and providing food for her household, “and a portion for her maidservants”. She also “considers a field and buys it, and from her profit she plants a vineyard. . . etc.
I agree there are a lot of inconsistencies in "Christianity" and "Christian" behavior.
At the age of 9, I decided this was not a thing I was going to be forced to believe in and pattern my life around. (My childhood pastor essentially told me I needed to just shut up, listen and stop asking so many questions because I didn't know what I was talking about. He couldn't answer my questions. )
Regarding the more recent posts on The Garden of Eden, The Apple, etc...
I believe the "apple" was less about sex than about simple human conscious self-awareness and self-directed thoughts finally replacing pure instinctive reaction that many of our related life forms on this planet exist by. Our brains developed to the point where we became proactive instead of simply reactive. (I don't believe we were the only so-"enlightened" life forms)
It was at that moment we realized that we could shape and control the environment around us, instead of simply being an unwilling participant in it. That included the making of clothes to finally keep our collective sagging parts from getting snagged on the bush we were still attempting to emerge from.
I also believe the "apple" or whatever the actual final catalyst of this transformation into awareness may very well have been a fruit or vegetable with the final enzymes needed to complete the evolution that resulted in the turned genetic key, at last sparking the above awareness.
So, I believe in the apple story and garden of Eden (the state of animal ignorance - a life of eternal bliss interrupted by the odd moments of terror in "the bush"), but a much more complicated version of it than the Bible's.
The Bible to me has simply been someone else's idea of how everyone else should live to fit his/their idea of "righteousness". In that sense, not much different from Koran, or Confucian dictates...It's simply one version of a user's guide to the mechanics of life - this version enforced by the threat of eternal damnation and lightning from above.
If the Eden story was all about sex, it would mean we were the last life forms on this planet not to instinctively know "Part A goes into Part B, then turn on".
As for Eve being created from one of Adam's ribs, I see this as an embellishment by an enterprising writer-social engineer to force women into a posture of servitude.
Eve should also have been made from mud. It's been shown that male fetuses progress through the stages of female fetuses before branching out to develop male characteristics. Then the original remaining female mechanisms are suppressed while the male hormones complete the development. Adam had to be a female briefly before developing into the male. Therefore, it's Adam who should have been made from Eve, to maintain accuracy.
Ever ask, "Why a rib?". It doesn't say in the book does it? Here's my theory:
Of every bone in your body - skull, legs, arms, hands, feet, spine...Ribs are one of the only bones you could probably live without, yet maintain essentially full function.
In other words, it's relatively expendable. Did whoever wrote it was "Adam's rib" mean for women to read it and subconsciously consider themselves expendable as well?
I have NEVER heard anyone else ask - "WHY A RIB?". (Sheeples?)
I have to have good reason to believe in things. Too many unanswered questions to take as gospel, pardon the pun. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2008 8:19:46 PM | Wantasmart, Let me enlighten you on the rib situation.
When Adam was alone in the garden with nothing but all the animals around him, God saw that it was not a good situation. So God said, "Adam, I see that none of these animals meets your needs for love and companionship so I want to make a creature that we will call woman. Her name will be Eve. There is a catch, however. I'm going to have to use a part of your body in order to do it."
"What do you have in mind, God?"
"Well, let me tell you the kind of woman I would like to make you, Adam. She will be perfect in every way. She will be 5'5" tall and weigh 125 pounds. She will have a 36" C cup chest, 26" waist and 36" hips. She will have big succulent lips and a soft tender voice, long brown hair and curves that will make your mouth water. She will go with you anywhere and everywhere you want her to, she will clean your house, cook you excellent tasting, nutritional meals, and she will make love to you anytime you want. She will laugh at your jokes, she will give her opinion in a most respectful way. She will bare you many children and be a perfect mother. She will strive to please you in everything she does."
"She sounds wonderful God," said Adam. "What will she cost me? You mentioned that you would have to use a part of my body."
"An Eve that perfect is going to cost you an arm and a leg," answered God.
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Posted: 9/13/2008 9:55:26 PM | Pleeazzzee forgive me everyone for reupping Idiots thread...but this is to good not to share. My oldest sister, who is a born again christian of the southern baptist persuasion sent this to me not realizing who we've all been dealing with lately.
It goes something like this:
One day God decided to go down to Eden to check on the progress of his creations. Eve was standing there and he asked how she was doing. "Oh, God, everything is so beautiful. The sunrises and sunsets and everything smells so pretty. But I do have one problem." "Oh! What is that, my dear child?" "Well...its this third breast you gave me. It pushes the other two up against my arms, making it difficult for me to hold things. It makes all of them get caught in the bushes and I keep scratching them. Also, I look at little off. You know, I have two eyes, two arms, two legs. I just think I'd look better if I had only two breasts." "I see. You know I'm kind of new at this. So, I'll just fix you right up." God pulled the middle breast from off of Eve's body and threw it in the bushes.
A few weeks later God decided to go visit Eve again. "How are things with you, Eve?" "Well, pretty good except for one other thing. Everyone here has a partner. The cow has the ox. The sheep has her ram. I just wish I had a partner too." So, God thought for a moment and remembered..."Oh, I can fix that easily. Now, where's that useless boob I tossed out."
My big sis said that made so much more sense to her!
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Posted: 9/13/2008 10:59:58 PM | | Cheers Woodstar .........way too lighten up this thread. I wish now that Mr. "Huntingskinnygals" as named by somebody else would do the same!!! | |
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Posted: 9/14/2008 9:29:50 AM |  Ohhh...thank you Sir Silly
This is me bowing to you!...darn...where is that little bowing icon when I need it!!!!
Oh well...this will do... | |
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Posted: 9/14/2008 7:55:08 PM | Woodstar and some others,
I find it interesting that you have resorted to name calling. If you read my posts from anything but a defensive posture, you would see that not only do I not call anyone names, but at no time do I say that I am huntingskinnygals. In both of the threads alluded to I have stated my thoughts in a manner that did not attack anyone. You and a few others have overreacted.
I would be curious to see how many of you who have been offended by my threads are liberal democrats. Now, I am sure that you same people will probably say that I said you had to be liberal democrats to respond like you did. No, I am only curious whether you are or not. | |
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Posted: 9/14/2008 9:59:51 PM | I am a non conformist.
I am an old lone She Wolf.
grrrrrr....that's the sound I make when I want to bite something...then probably spit it out. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 8:07:48 AM |
I would be curious to see how many of you who have been offended by my threads are liberal democrats.
Up until now I had been a moderate republican, but this year I'm going to vote for Obama just to piss you off! I guess you'll be voting for that independent inexperienced, hockey mom, pit bull, VPILF, Palin woman.
But this isn't really a matter of politics but about the approach nice common (dare I say "Christian") manners. And really, I hope I didn't come off as mean spirited, or name calling. I use snarky humor in the same way you use your blunt direct approach. I hold no malice, and I don't think you do either. But is your approach working on this social dating site? I'd love to hear from some of your women fans.
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Posted: 9/15/2008 8:10:35 AM | Show me where in the Tora where it says God had a son who was also god. Funny you don't remember this ".........the Lord is your God......the Lord is One"
One more thing...........there is nothing "OLD" about the Tora.........!
Shalom...........
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Posted: 9/15/2008 12:37:32 PM |
would be curious to see how many of you who have been offended by my threads are liberal democrats. Now, I am sure that you same people will probably say that I said you had to be liberal democrats to respond like you did. No, I am only curious whether you are or not.
Ohhh here he goes again.. laying out the bait.. as I said in a previous post in another thread OP posted on why overweight women don't get the responses the want..
OP just likes to fling out comments that he knows will get people going. typical drama king.... Opps! did I resort to name calling? I didn't realize describing someones behavior by putting a descriptive term to shorten the post was name calling.
Like I said before.. the Wolf in you is out cloaked as a Christian Sheep..
and no I am not a liberal democrat.. talk about jumping to conclusions and assumming things ..again you did just say.. "I would be curious".. I guess that guise covers the assumming eh?.
And I'm with another poster.. I bet your fan club is pretty short, but then there are those submissive type women that suscribe to your type. I think your in the wrong place for that.. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 12:49:13 PM | Adventure,
I've met your kind before. We end up really liking each other. We end up having a ton of laughs, because we are real, we speak freely, and we like to have fun.
Where a problem for me can come in is when a guy, or gal for that matter, decides to use profanity profusely in there conversation just to sound disgusting or to disgust certain listeners. I don't care to listen to a bunch of profanity that actually demonstrates that the speaker lacks in vocabulary or in the sense to use it correctly.
I don't mind direct conversation even with those who disagree with me. In fact I can find it stimulating.
However, when someone wants to call me an idiot or they are drunk, I'm done conversing. Talking to someone who is drunk in my opinion is a waste of words. Just my opinion. | |
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