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Posted: 9/23/2008 12:24:26 PM | I don't worry about being ganged up on, what by perhaps a dozen different people. I've figured out what people do most the talking here. It definitely isn't the conservatives.
Hey wheres your backup? Your conservative buddies that nod and smile when you talk this crap? They either aren't wasting thier time on dating sites because they have a partner, or can't be bothered to defend this position of yours.
Your posts don't seem to be internally consistent. Which I can only come up with 3 reasons for.
1. There is a defect in your perceptual filter
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2. You have a persecution complex.
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3. You like the attention your getting from raking the mud.
If you have another reason why you post one thing (I don't call names) and then turn around and start name calling let me know.
As for post #58. I don't read anything derogatory towards men... some men sure, but not men in general. Thats just another (lesbian liberal democrat) who doesn't see eye to eye with you and therefore her opinion (as is everyones other than yours) is invalid. Taking her comments as a personal attack, when her beef is with your opinion, is just another example of the globalization of your paranoia.
To all you Tomboys out there.... STAY SEXY!
I'd love a partner that would be able to take of the car... I got enough crap in my head already I don't have time to focus on the complexities of the fuel injected internal combustion engine.
Everytime I swear I'm gonna stop throwing wood on the fire I managed to get drawn back into this thread.
Speaking of wood on the fire...
I'm still confused as to why? Since the new covenant with god if the laws in Leviticus are no longer considered valued (since as you said its not new testamant) Why the allegories in Genesis (about as old testament as it gets) are still valued?
I don't really expect a coherent response from you about any of this, but I just wanted to let you know I don't think you won that debate.
Not playing the game is a forfiet not a win. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2008 1:57:28 PM | Soapy Guy,
You don't even want to look at what the Eagle says about guys in message 58. You remind me of all those doctors who continue to drink and smoke no matter how many tumors they remove, or how many bad livers they biopsy. No matter how many patients they bury. The evidence is right before their eyes, but they don't care. It doesn't apply to them.
She says "all you guys", "all guys" several times. Does some real flat-out name calling, and tearing down of "all men." But a guy like you, who has such a strong opinion about me and what I stand for, can't seem to look at her comments from an unbiased viewpoint.
You need to take some of your soap and clean out some of these women's mouths, especially, Elfeagle's. That would be the first step in making ladies out of them.
Jesus fulfilled the law. That doesn't change history. Genesis is history, it is not allegory. But, then again, you probably have eternity all figured out too.
Are we having fun yet? | |
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Posted: 9/23/2008 2:20:32 PM | Actually, I was reading between the lines.
She was writing from a passionate place and thats not how I nterpereted her statements. Just like I read between the lines of your post.
I do really enjoy the way way you generally don't come out and directly insult someone but still manage to say screw you! So yes I am having fun :)
Eternity, nope got no clue. I think its a little concieted to think you have THE answer to that question. But thats my opinion, and the cause of a many of wars.
As for genesis vs leviticus I appear to lack the knowledge/vocabulary to make the point of my question clear. So heres my last try on that;
Why should women be subserviant to man (genesis) after the new covenant if mankind no longer follows other rules. Who or what decided which parts of the old testament still hold?
"You need to take some of your soap and clean out some of these women's mouths, especially, Elfeagle's. That would be the first step in making ladies out of them."
Yes! we should definetely assault and humilate women who step out of line!
Actually, I'm just stunned by the suggestion on so many levels. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2008 7:16:25 PM | I think all you guys are just scared! NOT A FACT, MY OPINION, IE. I THINK..SCARED, AN EMOTION, NOT A DEROGITORY STATEMENT You all say you want an independent woman, then when you meet one of us, you go running with your tail between your legs, afraid to make a commitment. RUNNING WITH TAIL BETWEEN LEGS, A BEHAVIOR, NOT A DEROGATORY STATEMENT, ALTHOUGH ONE WHO HAS DONE SO, MAY HAVE AN EMOTIONAL ATTATCHMENT TO THE PHRASE, ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORD COWARD. When it all boils down to it, it seems all guys really want , AGAIN, NOT A DEROGATORY STATEMENT DIRECTED AT ANYONE SPECIFIC, UNLESS THAT ONE, FEELS AN EMOTION OF GUILT ASSOCIATED WITH SAID WANTS, is some suck ass show girl, AS SPECIFIED BY HUNTING GALS, WHO SAYS ALL MEN WANT THIN SMALL FRAMED WOMEN, AND LOSE THE WEIGHT IF YOU WANT TO DATE. who will tell them how smart they are, how handy they are, and cook their dinner, keep their schedule for them, do their laundry and say, "oh...poor me, I need you..." whenever things go awry. IE. BE LADY LIKE, AND BEHAVE ACCORDING TO THE COMMON OLD FASHIONED VALUE OF HOW A WOMAN SHOULD BE OBEDIENT. Sorry bubs,SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AT CLOSE MINDED ASSES LIKE HUNTING GALS, but my daddy WHO BY THE WAY, WAS A MAN. taught me how to fix my own car, and enjoy it! Guys don't seem to like, A BEHAVIOR, NOT A DEROGATORY STATEMENT TO MEN, the fact that I come home dirtier than them, run a crew of men all day, and usually make more money than them. VERY SPECIFIC OPINION SPECIFIC TO MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. NOT DIRECTED AT ALL MEN, I don't need to come cryin' when my truck breaks down, I have my own wrenches...and, I don't want to be anyone's mommy, nor do I have the time.AGAIN, MY OPINION, NOT DIRECTED AT ALL MEN, AND VERY INTENTIONALLY SARCASTIC. Seems a guy would think he has it a little easier without some token wife , A FIGURE OF SPEECH SYMBOLIZING A WOMAN WHO IS MOLDED TO THE MAKINGS OF HER HUSBAND, USED ONLY TO SHOW OFF TO OTHER MEN, AND OF COURSE, OBEDIENT AND LADYLIKE FOR HER HUSBAND, YET IN REALITY VERY UNHAPPY , A PHRASE COINED BY DR. PHILL DONAHUE IN THE MID 80'S. clinging to his arm while he's trying to reach the bottom bolt on the alternator! Now, if you can find a guy who really truelly wants an "equal," then....who knows. Doesn't seem to be any of you out there.MY OPINION. Quit being so damn chicken shit and old fashioned. SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AT YOU, MR. HUNTING GALS. It seems just as important to me to be an independent man, as it does a woman. It goes both ways. Co-dependency in any form is obviously unhealthy.
SO...THERE YOU HAVE IT, THE BREAKDOWN...THE ONLY SPECIFIC DEROGATORY STATEMENTS IN THIS POST WERE SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AT YOU, AND YES, I INTENTIONALLY DIRECTED THEM AT YOU, "hunting gals". NOW. LETS SEE YOUR BREAK DOWN OF IT.....AND, FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS THAT YOU SO TOOK OFFENSE TO. YOUR TURN.
I'm curious why you can't just let it go....cause I can guarantee that my soapless mouth will have a comback for each wastefull attempt you make to continue to prove your rightness on this point. obviously, you have your opinion, and I have mine, this is a free country, you are entitled to your opinion. And I also feel, in a free country we are free from oppression. In other words, you are entitled to state your opinion, and not entitled to force others to believe it. Therefore, I state my opinion, and those who agree with it, agree with it; those who don't...don't...I'm not going to force it down their throats with a potatoe masher. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2008 7:24:09 PM | | p.s. nothin like a good debate eh' guys/gals.... | |
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Posted: 9/23/2008 8:04:30 PM | Elf Eagle...I can understand your anger. I bet you'd gladly give him a knuckle sandwich and we'd all be eating popcorn rooting you on.
I'm thinking the BEST way to treat this noble man is to ignore him.
I'm ready.
Anyone else game?
Let's have a party and not invite him. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2008 8:14:23 PM | | ohhh...awww...I am in no way angry... I actually rarely get pissed, I am just debatin' ...I just refuse to let someone push me around or intimidate me...or, anyone else for that matter...I agree, let's have a party! | |
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Posted: 9/24/2008 6:48:44 PM | Elf Eagle,
You said it yourself, "state your opinion." When you state your opinion, you are making a statement. I am a professional writer. I know what language means. You obviously don't. You did make statements, whether you think you did or not. Some people show their lack of understanding of English loud and clear. You do.
It has become very clear to me what I am up against on this forum site, so I will let you guys and gals use it for yourselves. It is really hard for me to understand the mentality of people who defend someone as condescending and rash toward men as you are ElfEagle. I'm not going to waste my time trying to communicate to you or people who can defend such unlady like expressions. (Oh, maybe they were expressions and not statements. Yeah, let's redefine them. that will make them less derogatory. Hardly.) | |
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Posted: 9/24/2008 7:30:00 PM | We, both men and women, welcome you to stop "wasting your time" dialoguing our moderate (ie "liberal") banter.
First I began to do some looking into Internet flamers and trolls. I think that is what Hunting is. I think you "get off" on any attention, positive or negative. Yes, you can be an ass, and suck us into a dialog with an idiot. I think you are sincere, but I would welcome just ONE person to come to the defense of your arrogant and iconoclastic statements.
Speaking of those statement, what the freak is "unladylike?" Am I being unman like? Do women have a different set of rules. Maybe some of us of these women folk went out and did some booklearn'ng and got an edumacation (brainwashed) and got the notion that they were equally valuable and human as are we man folks. Well they ARE!!
I dare you to NOT waste your time with a reply.
I dare supporters of Hunter to speak up (after requesting permission)
I dare the rest of us to STOP THIS NONSENSE and start new better threads ...even some positive ones. Let's not give Oregon a bad name.
Rick
PS ... I'm just a little pissed off and snarky. I still don't get who you thought was being drunk and offensive. I golly gosh dag nabbit don't cuss myself. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2008 8:58:35 PM |
You need to take some of your soap and clean out some of these women's mouths, especially, Elfeagle's. That would be the first step in making ladies out of them.
I honestly don't know whether to laugh or shudder. You're aroused by women with "girlish" figures who can't take care of themselves and you think it's OK to discipline a grown woman like a child.
Ugh, dude, that's just creepy. | |
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| Independent Women
Posted: 9/24/2008 9:31:50 PM |  
Goddess Bless My Soul...hiccup!...('scuse me) | |
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Posted: 10/1/2008 2:31:48 PM | Is this "The View"?...I thought I heard Joy Behar.
I understood the point of what Wes originally wanted to discuss, but as with all POF threads with differing points of view, this thread can now be melted down and thrown into the anger pile.
I also understand where some of the thoughts are coming from, from the ladies ... but with everyones defenses up, this thread has no meaning except being fuel for the fire.
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Posted: 10/1/2008 8:15:32 PM | This forum is getting old. 
Where's the dead hores? I think it has been beaten enough!! | |
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Posted: 10/1/2008 8:39:43 PM | Hey, easy on the dead horse talk... I'll get offended. ;-)
Course so will everyone else if you meant whore... LOL. Would be on topic though... independent woman and all. | |
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| Independent Women
Posted: 10/14/2008 12:21:10 AM | I think that this thread has been pretty well played out, and many people on here have already voiced views that I feel are my own, or that I can at least identify with or agree on.
However I would like to throw in my two cents on the subject on independance and women. What it comes down to in my mind is need vs. want. A healthy induvidual should, the way I see it, be able to fill thier own needs. If you require another person to meet your needs for you, you end up with a form of co-dependance, which is never a good thing. However, it is absolutely ok to want to share your life with another person! The key word there being "share". Now I enjoy a good debate and I like to try to see another's point of view, so I've done some research on what the OP has to say to begin with. As a long time student of Psychology, the closest thing I could find of relevance is that the so-called stoic sex is (perhaps suprisingly to some) hardwired to nurture. Sheltering you from harm makes him feel studly, which makes him feel good. “Not that you should act helpless, but letting him see your vulnerable side will bring him closer because it unlocks his instincts to take care of you,” says David Givens, PhD, author of Love Signals. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2008 6:22:35 PM | I understand what you are saying, Snowbird.
Sometimes people forget that, to show weakness is (in itself) a show of strength. To acknowledge your short comings and to see your partner excelling here is where partnerships pay off.
Any man who has walked with me for awhile has known me to stand tall and strong...and to know when I should step aside and let him do what he does best.
And, may I add...a man who can do this is truely a Man in my book.
Peace,
WS
ps...welcome to the Pond! | |
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Posted: 10/17/2008 1:45:48 PM | Hi there.. I wanted to respond to your comment about being indepedent. That would could be interpreted to mean a number of things, your thought above is true of some women, but not all. What I have read in men's profiles is that they are looking for a woman of independent needs, both socially, emotionally and financially. No one, not a man or a woman wants to get involved with a person who sucks them dry out of their neediness. Know what I mean?
I would say a balanced person would be independent in thought, ideas, finances and some friends of their own, but CHOOSES to find a person to connect with in a deeper way and grow a relationship together.
Your point is well taken--I have met my share of "independent" men who only want one thing then be on their way. But look deeper than just that one word as a turn off, OK?
Sue | |
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Posted: 10/17/2008 9:54:19 PM | This thread is so ridiculous it's hard to even know what to say. I am a very independent woman. I grew up in Huntin's town, where there is wood to be chopped, fish to be caught, snow to be shoveled, deer to be skinned and so much more. I am the child of an almost always single mother (and 4 crappy step dads). I am a woman who was left 5 months pregnant. I am a woman who keeps very few friends because people in this day and age don't know what it is to be real, honest, kind, loyal, reliable and most of all truly there for someone else. My profile says "I'm a strong, nice, confident woman and frankly that scares most men. I'm not sure when being nice turned into a bad thing. And just because I don't "NEED" you, doesn't mean I don't WANT you."
Wouldn't it feel better to be wanted than needed? What happens when you've fix the problem ... they leave? I don't want someone I can leave because they have served their purpose. I want someone I can't live without because I want them, because they mean the world to me, because they fill me heart and soul with something indescribable.
I know you don't speak for all men, but you definately are one of many that give your gender a bad name.
P.S. Please let me know when your book is release ... I'm sure it will make great fire starting paper.  | |
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Posted: 11/15/2008 6:19:33 PM | In no way does the word "Independent" = "Broadzilla".
I'm all for a woman that knows who she is and what she wants. I think that's got to be one of the primary ingredients if she's to be able to communicate. You know, the key to a healthy relationship?
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Posted: 11/20/2008 11:02:15 AM | I have to agree with her. I am independent because I have to be. I would love to stay home and hang out with the kids all day. Eating bon-bons and watching soap operas. However if I did that my kids and myself would be living on the streets and begging for change. That is not what I want for them or me. I don't think I can just turn that off!
I'm sorry that you feel women would think a man is disposable because of this one trait. I don't think that is the case I think a woman who has had to make it on her own will treasure a man who is secure enough with himself to let her be herself no matter what that looks like. And a woman who is secure enough with herself will allow her man to be himself and not stress out when he wants to go out with the boys.
Of course that is only my opinion. | |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 9:45:34 AM | God made all men and women to be INTER-dependent, not independent, at least in the strict sense of those words. Interdependent is what a husband and wife should be. That is, they depend on each other for many things. That does not mean they lose their personal identity, opinions, friends, hobbies, likes, dislikes, etc. But that they moderate everything that affects or relates to their relationship with their mate, and they do need each other.
Being truly independent means such things as: not relying on others; self-reliant; not influenced by others; unattached to, etc.. Look it up. We all need each other. Don't kid yourself. Do you get gas at the station, or food at the grocery store? Oh, I guess that means you need someone to provide those items. What about a doctor, or a mechanic, or a friend?
When I said "independent raises a red-flag", the very response to my thread and post showed the very reason "independent" women (in the sense of several who responded) raises the red-flag. In today's society, many people jump on the defensive, or offensive, at the implication that they would ever need anyone for anything. I call that egotistical.
Now, if "independent," in the sense that some women use it, means capable of doing many things, rather than "in your face, I don't need you," that is totally different. | |
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Posted: 11/23/2008 12:09:59 AM | Thank you.
Because...that is all we mean.
Peace,
WS | |
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