| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 12:38:34 AM |
The only issue Romney has "flipped" on is abortion.
washingtonpost.com
Tuesday, February 5, 2008; Page A08
Top Romney Flip-Flops
1. Abortion. In October 2002, campaigning for governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney said he would "preserve and protect" a woman's right to choose. He now describes himself as an abortion opponent.
2. Gay rights. In a 1994 letter to the Log Cabin Republicans, who advocate gay rights, he said he was in favor of "gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly" in the military. He now says it would be a mistake to interfere with the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
3. Gun control. Campaigning for the Senate in 1994, he said he favored strong gun laws and did not "line up with the NRA." He joined the National Rifle Association in 2006 while pondering a presidential run, and he praised the group for "doing good things" and "supporting the right to bear arms."
4. Campaign finance. In 1994, he advocated a spending limit on congressional elections and the abolition of political action committees. In 2002, he supported public financing of campaigns from a 10 percent tax on private fundraising. This year, he said the McCain-Feingold law limiting campaign contributions is an attack on free speech.
5. Immigration. In a November 2005 interview with the Boston Globe, he described an immigration overhaul advanced by John McCain as "reasonable." He now denounces it as an "amnesty plan." In December 2006, he signed an agreement authorizing state troopers to round up illegal immigrants.  | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 12:39:21 AM | "In plain English: your thinking is biased, not the article."
Yes I’m biased but yet you can't find one single post where I’m for republicans. Matter of fact if you did your research, you would have noticed that I have blasted republicans on several diff occasions on here, but yet that's typical from a person that gets their sources from biased places. You're argument is moot. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 12:42:54 AM |
Yes I’m biased but yet you can't find one single post where I’m for republicans
We're all biased to some degree. There's no such thing as anyone being completely objective... but we try to be aware of our biases and not let them affect our judgement out of a desire to be fair to others.
I respect that.
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 12:47:17 AM | The book "What It Takes" by journalist Richard Ben Cramer's Pulitizer Prize-winning epic that looked at six presidential candidates. Cramer reported that Joe Biden often didn't know what he thought until he had to say it. Then, too, there was the sorry corollary, sometimes Biden spoke before he thought.
In August of 1987, when pollster-political analysist Bill Schneider showed up with a tape of a long, lovely, TV ad for Neil Kinnock, the British Labour Party leader who was running against Margaret Thatcher. Kinnock had some beautiful stuff about what the Labour Party meant to working folk. To Joe, that was exactly why he was running: to give people a platform on which to build their futures. He grabbed that tape and took it home, he inhaled the thing.
The rest is history. Biden knew "that stuff from the Kinnock tape like a song in his head" and, in four or five speeches, quoted it. In every case, he identified who Kinnock was and told audiences "he said something that I think is important." And it worked great, until Biden spoke at the state fair in Iowa and adapted Kinnock's words and life to himself.
It was only in Washington, in front of the TV, the gurus looked at each other," according to "What It Takes", "Someone had to tell Biden . . .he'd better credit this stuff, or he'd get his ass in trouble."
He did. John Sasso, political adviser to Biden's chief rival Michael Dukakis, saw a tape of the remarks Biden had made and "he couldn't believe it. Sasso knew the Kinnock ad--where the hell did Biden get off, using it word for word? It was like he was borrowing Kinnock's life? Did he think no one else in the country had seen it?. . . Why didn't anybody write that?"
Sasso, of course, put together a tape slicing Biden's words and Kinnock's and made sure somebody wrote it. A lot did and Biden soon concluded "that I will stop being a candidate for President of the United States." | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 12:48:49 AM | i don't know stranger,
This is yet another Republican lie:
all i seen in your article about biden was his fellow dem's attacking him. Your not trying to spread a little liberal propaganda are you? | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 1:04:03 AM |
all i seen in your article about biden was his fellow dem's attacking him. Your not trying to spread a little liberal propaganda are you.
That doesn't even make any sense. Seriously. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 1:37:31 AM | "We are all a little biased"
Well you are more then a little biased to say the least and a lot of people are that way towards a particular party and no matter who is the candidate on the other side they completely rule them out right then and there without giving them a chance. I don’t do that. I look at every side and make my final decision on who will be best for that spot at that time, more so now then ever before. I went from a 180 in 2006. I felt that the republicans screwed up thehouse soo bad in their 4 year reign, that I decided to vote for the democrats in the house the next time around and well I got shot in the foot on both occasions, but now it’s diff. Instead of studying one party in general vs. the other party in general, I’m studying every individual that is up for election or reelection regardless of what party they are in. I have no alignments with any party and that's the way I like it, because when you are aligned with a party people expect you to vote for the person in your party regardless. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 1:42:01 AM | Not even five issues not even one but then he was governor in that state and abortion is sacred to the women there. Romney did well there despite it. Washington Post, the Democrats' mouthpiece, how silly when it's taken as scripture particularly when details are purposely left out.
These slanted papers says Romney is like Biden or Obama by his flip-flops.
But Media is in a swoon over Obama and now Biden. I haven't seen Media this excited since they announced "Hairspray" was coming to Broadway.
When Romney ran for Senate in 1994, he told the Boston Herald that he supported the Brady gun-control law and a ban on scores of semi-automatic firearms. Both laws were heavily supported by Democrats and—according to President Bill Clinton—were the reason that his party lost control of the Congress in 1994.
Ten years later, the federal ban on semi-automatic firearms was stripped from the law books. The banned guns became legal once again, and despite the Chicken Little cries from gun control advocates around the country, crime rates did not soar.
What we do know is that even in Massachusetts, Romney has tried to appease both sides of the aisle. Like McCain in the Senate. As governor, Romney supported legislation to ease restrictions on gun licensing in the state, but he only did so at the expense of gun rights, as he signed a draconian ban on common, household firearms that are owned by millions of Americans across the nation. Same goes with immigration.
There are details.
Romney likes to frequent both sides of the legislative aisle, like McCain. Obama does not neither does Biden, polarizing couple there. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 1:58:47 AM |
Romney likes to frequent both sides of the legislative aisle, like McCain. Obama does not neither does Biden, polarizing couple there.
What a load. That swoon over Obama? Please, the entire McCain is a maverick is a myth contstructed by his campaign to distance himself from Bush, and the media is just repeating it.
In 2008, he voted 100% with Bush's positions. 100%! In 2007 he was a REAL maverick....
95%.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/27/mccain-voted-with-bush-10_n_103718.html
Now that we have that out of the way, how about you talk about Romney and McCain in a thread about Romney (Double Gitmo) and McCain (I wasn't tortured in vietnam by the white house's definition) | |
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Posted: 8/25/2008 2:42:01 AM |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/27/mccain-voted-with-bush-10_n_103718.html
What a load.
Couldn't have said it any better. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2008 6:21:37 AM | Romney likes to frequent both sides of the legislative aisle, like McCain. Obama does not neither does Biden, polarizing couple there.
Um, not so much. Both Biden and Obama have done the bi-partisan dance in the senate. What I find interesting about Romney is that he reduced the deficit in Mass nearly the same formula that Obama is talking about. Obama wants to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest three to four percent of earners.
From Wiki on Romney as Governor of Mass....
Romney was sworn in as the 70th governor of Massachusetts on January 2, 2003. Upon entering office, Romney faced a projected $3 billion deficit, but a previously enacted $1.3 billion capital gains tax increase and $500 million in unanticipated federal grants decreased the deficit to $1.2 billion.[46] Through a combination of spending cuts, increased fees, and removal of corporate tax loopholes, by 2006 the state had a $700 million surplus and was able to cut taxes. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 6:25:30 AM |
"We are all a little biased"
Well you are more then a little biased to say the least
Children please....I'm not biased, you're biased. Ok, well maybe I'm a little biased but you're more biased...
This thread is about Biden and VP candidates. Let's get back on track here. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 8:49:40 AM |
all i seen in your article about biden was his fellow dem's attacking him. Your not trying to spread a little liberal propaganda are you?
Well noted. From that story, I have to take back that it was a "republican" lie.
It was a lie, anyway, however... so if anyone uses either the argument I mistakenly made or that Biden is a plagiarer, remember that.
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Posted: 8/25/2008 8:51:49 AM |
This thread is about Biden and VP candidates. Let's get back on track here.
Agreed.
Bottom line is, Obama has little to lose at this point. Hillary would've just mobilized the wingnut vote (which is not very excited by McCain, btw), since she's been endlessly caricatured as the Anti-Christ in the wingnut media ever since she made a series of condescending remarks during Bill's first presidential run ("I could've stayed home and baked cookies," etc.). Biden has been gaffe-prone in the past but by all accounts has come a long way during the last few years, and he does radiate a palpable pugnaciousness which Obama has unfortunately always lacked.
What Obama needs to do is find a Democratic equivalent to Lee Atwater or Karl Rove, so he can stop playing a punching bag, just like Kerry, Gore, Dukkakis, etc. before him. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2008 8:55:53 AM | | PS. Unless he's able to get Colin Powell on board (very unlikely), McCain's array of VP choices are pretty sucky too, so we'll all be guffawing at his choice a week from now too. Remember, McCain came out on top in a field of GOP prez candidates whose appeal primarily mainly limited to the bible-thumpers as soon as Rudy G. fizzled out. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2008 9:42:19 AM | Edsta,
I disagree with your limitations of "good" VP candidates and want to point out a few reasons why each of the Republican candidates had both an appeal to a specific base, and why they fizzled.
Romney appealed to fiscal conservatives, and made a premature choice to pull out that cost him in areas where he would have made a very strong showing. He would bring the fiscal conservative vote at the expense of the religious base.
Huckabee appealed to the religious base, but lacked broad appeal to moderates, we already had one former AR governor in the big chair that we felt didn't have the chops for the job. He would bring the religious right, but at the expense of a great deal of moderate / Independent support from the blue team.
Giuliani appealed to quite a few moderates and had some appeal to those who felt being tough on crime was key. His biggest mistake was in campaigning; otherwise he would have been in it till the end. As a VP, he attracts the moderate and to an extent fiscal conservative vote, but his antics would completely alienate the religious right.
McCain's appeal to both independent and moderates on both teams is the fact that he broke GOP ranks on key issues, thereby cementing his image as preferring strength of character over the party line. (Granted, not with a great deal of frequency but with arguably impeccable timing.) To bolster that and secure the "We're not the same ol political act" he needs to pick the former blue team bad boy, Joe Lieberman. Both have exhibited strength of character in the face of political suicide and are widely respected by the middle for it... Let’s not forget it wasn’t the electorate that “blackballed” Lieberman, it was the DNC “executives”, and clearly their maneuver was not in keeping with the will of the people….
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Posted: 8/25/2008 9:48:39 AM | Please please please let it be Rudi!!!!!!!!!
The vp debates could charge admission for the beatdown!
"A noun, a verb and 9-1-1. . ."
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Posted: 8/25/2008 10:06:27 AM | I dont hear Colin Powell's name bandied about as a VP for McCain, but should that happen..........look out, Democrats!
I dont know why, but at first I was surprised at the Biden pick but then a really bad feeling came over me about the combination of the two, not sure why .... I thought Bayh was a better match for Obama, more in tune. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2008 10:24:41 AM | True, a McCain-Lieberman ticket would be interesting, might help him with independents. However the Republican base is already not enthused about McCain but with Lieberman being Jewish and pro-choice, I think it would result in even lower Republican turnout in November than currently expected, unless their ads can really scare the bejesus out of them about Obama.
I don't think either party has a truly blockbuster candidate who can unite a broad range of constituencies and demographics, this is why 2008 will probably be another very close and unpredictable election, barring some unforseen disaster from either side, or maybe some more foreign policy shenanigans, like a shooting war with Iran. Obama kills everyone else with his speaking skills, but McCain's "celebrity" ads have cleverly turned that strength into a weakness, at least for the time being. I'm very curious to see how much the conventions and the debates will change the tightness of this race, if at all...
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Posted: 8/25/2008 10:27:05 AM | | I would have liked Bayh better too...if some printer (the same one who in Idaho put Larry Craig rather than his opponent Larry something else on the buttons with Obama) made up a bunch of bumper stickers with the names reversed...then we would have had Bayh Obama! | |
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Posted: 8/25/2008 10:28:04 AM | | I highly doubt Colin Powell will ever agree to be on a ticket with anyone from the current crop of Republicans. I think he's still pretty pissed at being made a fool of by those who gave him bogus information to present to the U.N. I'm pretty sure that's why he resigned. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2008 10:31:39 AM |
I highly doubt Colin Powell will ever agree to be on a ticket with anyone from the current crop of Republicans. I think he's still pretty pissed at being made a fool of by those who gave him bogus information to present to the U.N. I'm pretty sure that's why he resigned.
I tend to agree. Plus he's said some nice things about Obama. It'd be a real news event if he came out and publically endorsed him. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2008 10:35:14 AM |
True, a McCain-Lieberman ticket would be interesting, might help him with independents. However the Republican base is already not enthused about McCain but with Lieberman being Jewish and pro-choice, I think it would result in even lower Republican turnout in November than currently expected, unless their ads can really scare the bejesus out of them about Obama Don't discount the advantages Lieberman brings, the extreme right will vote against Obama, not necessarily "for" McCain, but most assuredly they will vote and it won't be for Obama.... | |
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Posted: 8/25/2008 10:45:23 AM | Powell would indeed be an awfully popular choice for McCain to make..
I don't believe Lieberman would though.. Lieberman isn't a very politically popular figure anymore, even in CT, at least from all indications I've seen for some time..
-Suth'nBoy
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Posted: 8/25/2008 11:05:15 AM | the GOP should have thought about this Powell thing back when Bush was making a fool out of him.
and if Powell didn't run for President (which he probably could have taken) I doubt he's going to run for VP.
particularly with a guy who can't figure out if we are pulling out of Iraq or staying there for "a hundred years".
once bitten twice shy. | |
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