| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 8:07:35 PM | ^^^ I agree wholeheartedly, Bikeman. Actually, I'm kind of still waiting for Obama to actually say something REAL on most of the pertinent issues. I mean, actually SAY something, and back it up to boot.
Joe Biden was the man I was pulling for all along as the Dems pick, but sadly he ended up with only, what, 6% of their vote or something like that? originally. *Sigh*. Very interesting man, and someone (while I didn't agree with all of his policies) someone I could get behind enough to actually get a bit excited about.
It's kind of disappointing, methinks. All along, right from the start of the Hilary/Obama race, I've thought "this is the Democrats election to lose". And, it seems that's the way it's going now, with McCain being ahead in the polls now.
I have to say, I think Biden has chosen the wrong wagon to hitch his star to in this case, for lack of a better phrase. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP!
Posted: 8/25/2008 8:26:42 PM |
"He called me," Obama said. "I told him it wasn't necessary. We have got more important things to worry about. We have got Iraq. We have got health care. We have got energy. This is low on the list."
I think that finishes this part of our discussion, don't you?
No, as long as the race remains this close, it's painfully obvious that there will be no shortage anxious and desperate Republicans trying to do anything they can to play the old "divide and conquer" card.
Ditto with the whole hyped-up "bitter Hillary supporters will vote McCain" story. Plus the corporate news media will continue to play echo-chamber for the Republicans because they need to have (bogus) stories in order to sell advertising.  | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 8:32:27 PM | well since Biden is a Catholic, you could almost think it was a good choice to have him on the ticket. Bring back the catholic vote. The only problem with that is that he is pro-abortion. Some thing that will keep most Catholics from voting for them. Unless of course McCain also pick a pro-abortion running mate........ 
McCain/K.B.Hutchison | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 8:39:51 PM |
it's painfully obvious that there will be no shortage anxious and desperate Republicans trying to do anything they can to play the old "divide and conquer" card.
They don't really have to though, do they? I mean, it seems Hilary and Obama have already done a good enough job of that themselves. And if the Republicans wanted to, (which of course they did, because anyone would) then they probably already achieved that goal months ago by playing up that angle. Really, no matter how you vote...this truly was the Democrats "election to lose". Hence McCain is now ahead in the polls. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 8:41:27 PM | Actually, I'm kind of still waiting for Obama to actually say something REAL on most of the pertinent issues. I mean, actually SAY something, and back it up to boot. That's my biggest problem with him, he has practically no history, and what little history he has it involves constant position manuevering. He is the proverbial box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna git. Biden is a bit of a loose cannon (like McCain), that's why I liked him as a presidential choice. Putting him on the bottom of the ticket is an insult and slap in the face to people in any profession who tirelessly accomplish lots of things over a period of time, instead valuing the one who is articulate nice clean and good-looking (which Biden said; I'll throw in tall); choosing style over substance and being delighted in doing so. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 8:48:02 PM |
They don't really have to though, do they? I mean, it seems Hilary and Obama have already done a good enough job of that themselves. And if the Republicans wanted to, (which of course they did, because anyone would) then they probably already achieved that goal months ago by playing up that angle. Really, no matter how you vote...this truly was the Democrats "election to lose".
Nah, the % of Hillary supporters who SAY they'll vote for McCain is something like 10-20%, last poll I saw. Small change given the bigger picture. It just makes a good story for the corporate media, who are whores for ANYTHING that might grab attention and keep their ratings up.
I agree it IS the Dems' "election to lose" but at this point who knows what will happen, there are 2 dozen polls out there most of them showing a dead heat within the margin of error, of course the rare 1 poll that shows McCain taking the lead gets hyped up by both McCain (wisely, I admit) and the corporate media (who have largely given him a free ride, btw).
One month from now, we'll have a much clearer picture of who's really winning or not. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 9:14:26 PM | I think it funny that people do not listen to what Obama says as much as how neat it is to hear him say it. He is pro chioce if a woman has a medical reason other than stress for killing her baby. McCain is prolife if the woman was not sick, raped or molested. Obama is pro middle class tax cuts and people making 250k and up paying most of the taxes. McCain does not want any one to pay taxes he has no plan on how to pay for running the country. Obama want the bulk of our troops home. McCain has brought up the draft and maybe adding women to it. He thinks 100 years is not too long to be in Iraq and that we may need to go in to other countries.
I posted the link to on the issues that is where I get my opinions backed up please feel free to fact check. I like Biden and that he did not mind some one about 20 years his jr calling him a scrappy kid | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 9:16:46 PM | Well today's polls show that it's stil a split between Obama and McCain. It doesn't seem like Biden did much at all to help give Obama brief bounce. It will be interesting to see what the polls do after the DNC.
I hope McCain as got his gurad dogs ready, because if Romney is going to be his VP, you know that the Obama camp will unleash their attack ads in full force. In the end I don't think it's going to matter much who the VP is, but instead who can make a better argument from either McCain or Obama and as we can see, as of right now both men are at a grid lock, so both men must be doing something right especially McCain where he was projected to be losing by 15 points at this time. I don't think bringing Hillary into the DNC will make much diff in terms of seeing a lot of hillary supporters flocking to Obama, you still got 23% of Hillary supporters out there that won't accept anything from Obama unless they give Hillary all of FL and Mich primary delegates and that aint going to happen. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 9:24:15 PM | sweetness-one
I agree wholeheartedly, Bikeman. Actually, I'm kind of still waiting for Obama to actually say something REAL on most of the pertinent issues. I mean, actually SAY something, and back it up to boot.
He talks about the issues constantly. Check out his website, he lists his positions there in detail.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 9:24:57 PM | Well... Biden did it again. Open mouth, insert foot... Yikes!
The following is Summarized... Not an exact quote. I'm sure it can be 'googled for exactness' but..the word 'clean' was used.
Biden said Obama is the first articulate, smart and clean African American....etc. etc... Clean. Can you believe he said that.
And... get this... Jesse Jackson is upset...very irate that he was not the one referenced as the first articulate smart, etc. African American on the political scene. Guess the 'clean' part didn't sink in to Jackson. Maybe after he realizes exactly everything Biden said..he'll be glad that Biden didn't reference him in this aspect. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 9:33:06 PM | | Who cares what Jesse Jackson thinks. He is just jelouse of Obama success. I mean, what was the total % of Jacksons primary votes in the 1984 Dem primaries? 18.4% . Obama would crush Jackson in Jackson's prime in a primary race back then, let alone today. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/25/2008 11:36:49 PM |
Well... Biden did it again. Open mouth, insert foot... Yikes!
The following is Summarized... Not an exact quote. I'm sure it can be 'googled for exactness' but..the word 'clean' was used.
Biden said Obama is the first articulate, smart and clean African American....etc. etc... Clean. Can you believe he said that.
And... get this... Jesse Jackson is upset...very irate that he was not the one referenced as the first articulate smart, etc. African American on the political scene. Guess the 'clean' part didn't sink in to Jackson. Maybe after he realizes exactly everything Biden said..he'll be glad that Biden didn't reference him in this aspect.
*sigh* just because it's a new Republican e-mail in circulation doesn't make it new.
Also Obama already adressed that. Immediately after Biden called to explain and apologize, and Obama said that it wasn't a big deal, and there were bigger issues on the table than a slip of the tongue. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/26/2008 1:37:51 AM | I'm an Obama Supporter but am curious about Joe Biden's Comments during the Primary Elections. Here is Biden's Paraphrase:
"He would be honored to run with or against McCain and that the country would be better off with McCain as President (they are long-time friends). He also said he didn't think that the Presidency was something that lent itself to on-the-job training and that Obama just simply wasn't ready for the job yet."
The McCain Campaign has used this in a Smear TV/Internet Ad over the weekend but has Obama or Biden responded directly to those comments yet?
Can anyone share any insights please? | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/26/2008 1:45:13 AM | | How about instead of paraphrasing you use the actual phrase, you may find that you answer your own question then. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/26/2008 2:00:58 AM |
Can anyone share any insights please?
Easy. It's a personal attack he used to fight Obama with for the Democratic nomination. All politicians use personal attacks. Obama is just as qualified to be president as anybody and positive or negative attributes can, and should be used to sway voters. Now that Biden is in on the deal he will devote his energy into showing the country, and world McCains negative, and, Obama's positive attributes.
It's all politics. You know - Russia used to be friends with the US and the West when we were fighting the Nazis, the Mujuhadine were allies when they were fighting the Soviets, Saddam and the Iranians were allies when they were fighting each other, Hillery was an enemy of the Republicans until she lost the nomination. It's a fluid state of affairs and changes minute to minute - on all sides. That's what makes it so interesting.
Biden's OK, so's Obama - I just hope that Biden can get Obama to pull up his socks and get real with solid positions to effect his 'change' policy on in a hurry before the magic wears off. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/26/2008 2:14:06 AM | | Biden and McCain are good friends off stage, but they are competitors on stage trying to fight for the top spot. It's as simple as that. So of course they are going be competitive with one another. Hell, i'd do the same to my good friend or brother for that matter too if they were trying to run against me. Like that old sayings goes "Alls fair in love and war." and that's what Biden and McCain are in, a political war and after this is all over with they'll prob go to a bar and have a couple of beers to congrat the winner. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/26/2008 5:16:49 AM | it's painfully obvious that there will be no shortage anxious and desperate Republicans trying to do anything they can to play the old "divide and conquer" card.
Maybe this is my imagination, but, has anyone else noticed the Obama followers are mostly the ones that are attacking the McCain followers? The accusations and name calling is really getting out of hand.
If you guys weren't so worried about Mr. O winning, you wouldn't be so vicious in your petty accusations...sounds like to me, you're getting ready to find something or someone to blame Obama's loss on besides B.O. himself.
Looks like a case of sour grapes way before your loss has happened..
or has it happened already? And this is why you're so angry at us?
B. O. has already shot himself in the foot, shouldnt you guys be spending this time more productively? Like practicing taps on your bugles? The race seems to be over and just about dead in the waters, as they say.
I think it funny that people do not listen to what Obama says as much as how neat it is to hear him say it.
We're listening.. all we hear is the beating of his chest and those pesky crickets chirping in the background. The man isnt saying anything of 'substance'. Arent YOU listening?
and there were bigger issues on the table than a slip of the tongue.
exactly...so its okay to have a slippage now that Obamas side is doing it?
Interesting.
McCain/It doesnt really matter 'o8 | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP!
Posted: 8/26/2008 6:05:01 AM | | Obama made a great pick in Joe Biden. If you were going to pick someone for a job you would want to pcik the most qualified person which Biden is. He could have made a choice that was better politically but he made the wise choice and picked a vice president who will help him govern the country. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/26/2008 7:39:57 AM | | Biden is a bigmouth, but he is very, very smart. His gaffes are true gaffes, whereas McCain just can't remember shit, doesn't know how many houses he owns, thinks Czeckoslovakia still exists as a country, thinks Iraq and Pakistan shares a border, doesn't know the difference between a Shia and a Sunni, and needs a 9-car motorcade to drive to Starbucks. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/26/2008 7:53:27 AM | | Let's face it people,,,we have no choices in this race,,,either mutt or jeff. Neither qualified and makes no difference who is the running mate,,,,Obama wont put Hillary in his cabinet, he wants her to stay in the senate,,,proof that he is still bitter over the campaign,,, | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/26/2008 7:55:58 AM | | Umm...didja ever give a thought to the idea that Senator Clinton might WANT to stay in the Senate? | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/26/2008 8:18:15 AM |
Umm...didja ever give a thought to the idea that Senator Clinton might WANT to stay in the Senate?
Why would she plan her career based on what is best for BHO....
I bet BHO would prefer she when home and baked cookies..... | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/26/2008 8:22:45 AM |
Let's face it people,,,we have no choices in this race,,,either mutt or jeff. Neither qualified and makes no difference who is the running mate,,,,Obama wont put Hillary in his cabinet, he wants her to stay in the senate,,,proof that he is still bitter over the campaign,,,
Ummm... Let's face it people... someone's going to be president, and no matter how unqualified you think the people running for office are, they're going to be in charge; so whoever you think is best qualified, you'd better get out and vote.
If you think this country is as screwed up right now as I do, you'd better vote for Obama or it's going to get much worse.
Politics is the art of the possible; nothing more and nothing less. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/26/2008 9:37:28 AM | My 15 year old son is MORE qualified than Dubya, (LITERALLY), and we are still all alive. . . Both of the current candidates are more qualified today, than Dubya is TODAY. Obama is just far more qualified. | |
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| Obama picks Joe Biden for VP
Posted: 8/26/2008 9:43:37 AM |
Umm...didja ever give a thought to the idea that Senator Clinton might WANT to stay in the Senate? Nothing says "I'm happy being a Senator" like a run for the Presidency and an insistence that your name be offered in nomination for that office at the convention...
I'm sure a lot of her supporters are disappointed she didn't even make second chair, and rightfully so, they put their heart and soul into supporting their candidate just as a lot of others did...
One thing I'm still certain of, her having second chair would go a lot further towards reuniting the rift in the party caused by the primary and the subsequent ill will since Obama went over the top on delegates.
I know a lot of women on either side of the aisle would have voted for her simply because she's a woman, and no other reason, so the notion that it somehow would blemish the ascension to higher office in the realm of women’s rights is minimal and in choosing her the loss of Biden supporters would have been negligible.
I like the current teaming better than the 2004 team, but still feel it was a missed opportunity to both unite the party, end the infighting, and possibly (less likely with the current team) win the general election. Don't get me wrong, I think it's going to be a close race, and the winner will be the guy who reloads the least while shooting himself in the foot over the next two + months.... Given the number and size of gaffes, I believe the Vegas odds are on Biden eating the most shoe leather and bringing down the campaign similar to how the focus on Eagleton’s' issues derailed McGovern from a likely win to a landslide loss in 1972. | |
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