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 Author Thread: Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
 GenJackRipper

Joined: 5/18/2005
Msg: 51
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/22/2005 9:40:25 AM


So I'm for good schools, economic growth, and I'm against lynchings! Elect me you mindless dolt!


Uh....Who was the last remark intended for?

Also, I disagree that we don't need a lynching law.
When there were lynchings, of course it was murder; but local and state governments refused to prosecute the perpetrators and murder itself is a crime against the state. They have the choice to prosecute, or not.
Federal government jurisdiction on this TYPE of crime where the state refused to prosecute makes sure that a higher authority has the power to make SURE lynchings are prosecuted as murders... without making it necessary for the feds to get involved in all murders, which they don't have the manpower to get involved in unless interstate flight is involved.

I stand on what I said.
 BulldogMedic

Joined: 12/31/2004
Msg: 52
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/22/2005 10:48:50 AM
Hate crimes are already prosecuted by the feds. Elwood, don't you think that many, many many more black Americans have been killed by guns, than by lynching?
 NittanyLion

Joined: 2/19/2005
Msg: 53
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/22/2005 5:06:59 PM
Why does it have to be one or the other? Regardless of whether we view it as "necessary," what would be the problem?
 BulldogMedic

Joined: 12/31/2004
Msg: 54
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/22/2005 5:09:37 PM
I don't want the govt to start doing "unnecessary" things, at my tax expense, just "because"... Murder is illegal, and hate crimes are illegal. Why do we have to reinvent the wheel?
 Coati

Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 55
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Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/22/2005 6:05:54 PM
Why do we have to reinvent the wheel?


Better to ask what the harm is in enacting an anti-lynching law.

Just how many of your "tax dollars" would it cost to have a government (that is already empowered) enact a law that prevents lynching? It's not as if a special "anti-lynching" task force would have to be created - it's just on the books that lynch-mobs are against the law.

Why are you really against it?

PS: For anyone who actively supports Bush and the soaring deficit he has created, an argument using the value of your tax-dollar is fairly laughable. If you were so concerned about your tax money, I think you might have started to question some of the Bushies policies by now...
 BulldogMedic

Joined: 12/31/2004
Msg: 56
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/22/2005 6:11:39 PM
I don't mind repeating myself: Murder, hate crimes, and LYNCHING are already against the law. It's redundant.

P.S. I don't really care what you think that I should think about my tax dollars.
 Coati

Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 57
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Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/22/2005 6:20:51 PM

Murder, hate crimes, and LYNCHING are already against the law.


There is no law against lynching - that's what this thread is all about..
 daisie

Joined: 9/22/2004
Msg: 58
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/22/2005 8:14:58 PM
As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, there is no law specifically stating that murder with a fondue fork is illegal either. But...dead is dead. Murder is murder. Murder is against the law. We don't need new laws forbidding lynching or stabbing to death with fondue forks.
Yawn.
 BulldogMedic

Joined: 12/31/2004
Msg: 59
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/22/2005 9:35:56 PM
There probably is no law specifically aginst shooting someone, either. I think that would be forefront in the minds of some people.

I'm done wasting my time on a thread about a problem that solely maddens about one person in the world. My congressman can vote for an "anti-lynching" law if he wants. I may, or may not, vote for him because of it.
 Coati

Joined: 12/4/2004
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Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/23/2005 6:37:29 AM
You know, if there had been a long history in my country of people being stabbed with fondue forks, maybe I *would* want a law against it.

Fact is that the last century saw an awful lot of lynching going on in the States. That wasn't that long ago - and hate crimes are still popping up now and again.

The fact that so many of you are opposed to a simple law that bans lynching is absolutely scary. Couch it in whatever terms you want, your opposition to it screams of pure, simple racism.
 thespiannewyawker

Joined: 5/10/2005
Msg: 61
lol yeah don't blame anti black history in democratic party
Posted: 6/23/2005 7:44:49 AM
another blind liberal blames the white house

err lincoln a Republic freed the slaves
democrats favoured continuing slavery

err
it was 5o years of a democrat house and senate the filibustered anti lynching alws

hate crimes?

the democrats have a kkk recruiter in the senate
he supported roe vs wade to put white owned abortion clinics in black neighborhoods.

err it was the gop who helped pass the civil rights act. al gores daddy hated blacks and did not vote yes

it was fdr who interned the japaneses

it was kennedy who bugged the home of martin luther king

Democrats are bigots

dick durbin said that Gitmo was worse than the holocaust
 Coati

Joined: 12/4/2004
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Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/23/2005 7:50:29 AM
Uhm, hello.. Show me where I said the lack of anti-lynching laws was the fault of any *one* party.. It's actually the responsibility of both. It's the opposition to writing such laws that I was directly criticizing.

That being said, these days the GOP is definitely not a friend to your average African-American..
 GenJackRipper

Joined: 5/18/2005
Msg: 63
lol yeah don't blame anti black history in democratic party
Posted: 6/23/2005 7:57:30 AM


another blind liberal blames the white house


Opinion.... about me.



err lincoln a Republic freed the slaves
democrats favoured continuing slavery


True.. things have sure changed since then, haven't they?




err
it was 5o years of a democrat house and senate the filibustered anti lynching alws


True. Why don't we pass one now?



hate crimes?


Might be applicable, but I'd rather see on for lynching specifically to make absolutely sure it never happens again without someone being punished.




the democrats have a kkk recruiter in the senate


Let's vote his butt out!



he supported roe vs wade to put white owned abortion clinics in black neighborhoods.


Did he say that or is it your opinion?




err it was the gop who helped pass the civil rights act. al gores daddy hated blacks and did not vote yes

But a democratic president signed it and a vast majority of dems voted for it. It couldn't have passed without there being a majority in both parties...



it was fdr who interned the japaneses


I can't defend that. It was wrong... but his wife was a civil rights worker and roosevelt was president when we were on the winning side of WWII. His programs built the infrastructure, rescued farmland and put people back to work. The democrats legislated worker's rights, collective bargaining and social safety nets like bank insurance and many other things that brought the economy back to life. At the end of his presidency, we were undisputedly the most powerful nation on earth and owned the vast majority of the world's economy. We rebuilt alot of it in the image of the US.



it was kennedy who bugged the home of martin luther king


Hoover, not Kennedy.



Democrats are bigots


Ashcroft voted against much civil rights legislation. Many republicans are also.



dick durbin said that Gitmo was worse than the holocaust

dumb thing for Durbin to say... I never heard that. Did he say that?
 daisie

Joined: 9/22/2004
Msg: 64
lol yeah don't blame anti black history in democratic party
Posted: 6/24/2005 10:56:17 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have no doubt that you would vote for anti-lynching law....and you would probably vote for an "ANTI-WALKING THE PLANK" law too. They are equally ridiculous, yet, sure, you would vote for them. I on the other hand prefer to do something CONSTRUCTIVE...something to actually help save lives and prosecute people who take innocent lives. There are many important, and relevant issues to be concerned with. For example I think a law making it illegal to operate a deadly weapon while using a cell phone or eating is a heck of a lot more relevant and beneficial to the world than a stupid lynching and walking the plank law. There are some people on this thread who I am pretty sure really do have good intentions and their hearts are in the right place...but they are misguided and spinning their wheels with nonsensical issues. You could actually have a positive impact if you would think before getting all worked up and emotional over issues that are absurd and obsolete.
 tyme_gypsy

Joined: 5/7/2005
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lol yeah don't blame anti black history in democratic party
Posted: 6/24/2005 11:22:17 PM
but dasie! you have to think like a demoncrat. It is all style over substance, Lies over facts and feel-goodisms over anything that matters.
If you have made mistakes in the past, you just rewrite history.
 tyme_gypsy

Joined: 5/7/2005
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Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/24/2005 11:35:39 PM
Jack, with all due respect, your figures are BS.
For example, did you know that the bricking of Reginald Denny wasn't considered a "hate crime"?
The rape of the white NY jogger by 5 black males wasn't a hate crime?

That more whites are attacked by blacks because of their race than blacks by whites but those aren't "Hate crimes"?
That more homos beat on homos at a rate three times that of straights beating on homos and straights beating on each other and that homos beat on straights at the same per capita rates as straights beat on homos?
Don't take my word for it though, read the stats....


It is only a hate crime if it is done by a hetero, white male
anti-lynching laws are still more demoncrat empty rhetoric.
Want to pass a law that MEANS something?
Make laws to end quotas, racial set asides, and varying admissions standards to schools. Read the graduation statistics and you'll see that they just hurt blacks.
Stop telling blacks that they can't make it without the benevolent white Massa's doin' fo' de' darkies. The plantations are gone. It is time to end the plantation mentality of the left.
 NittanyLion

Joined: 2/19/2005
Msg: 67
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/25/2005 2:56:11 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/24/georgia.lynching.ap/index.html
 yna6

Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 68
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/25/2005 6:23:54 AM
apologies abound.....so, I want apologies from various races for their "crimes" against whites. I want apologies from all past opponents in any and every war we've been involved in. I want compensations paid out, public apologies and the laws passed that address these matters. I want more "hate crimes" pushed in the system against any and all who commit any crime against anyone who is of not like colour, sex, sexual preferrence, religion, etc.....after all, it will be up to them to prove that it was NOT based wholly or in part because of this....we ALL know how the system works now, don't we???

I will continue to hide out in the backwoods of the rural areas and watch the fun as the cites wind up strangling in their own wastes and have the last laugh....
 GenJackRipper

Joined: 5/18/2005
Msg: 69
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/25/2005 7:02:34 AM
yna: apologies are dumb. Apologies are like toilet paper. Everyone uses them and half the time it's not needed.

BUT, what we should have is anti-lynching laws. States should be accountable to the federal government for murders which aren't prosecuted.
 foxefire

Joined: 2/23/2005
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Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/25/2005 7:34:05 AM
Didn't they just convict Edgar Ray Killen in Mississippi? By law he should have never been charged. That is if there is still no law against lynching. Here we are in 2005 trying to move forward and still reliving the past.
 NittanyLion

Joined: 2/19/2005
Msg: 71
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/25/2005 7:38:44 AM

By law he should have never been charged.

You misunderstand. I'm not sure which law you think dictates that he not be charged, but you misunderstand.
 Coati

Joined: 12/4/2004
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Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/25/2005 7:48:42 AM
Daisie:

The crazy thing about governments is that they can enact more than one law. It doesn't *have* to be an either "anti-lynching law" or "cell-phone-in-car law" situation.

Why not pressure the government to do both? The anti-lynching law should be a gimme, for Pete's sake...
 NittanyLion

Joined: 2/19/2005
Msg: 73
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/25/2005 8:29:37 AM
Just to clarify what is meant by lynching...


The word "lynching" is one of common knowledge, said the court; it describes the action of unofficial persons, organized bands, or mobs, who seize persons charged with or suspected of crimes and inflict summary punishment on them without legal trial. The court quoted a number of other definitions of "lynching," and said that an essential element of each of the definitions is that the person unlawfully injured or punished was charged with or suspected of some crime. 26 A.L.R.3d 1142


To be against the passage of an anti-lynching law... I'm not quite sure WHY one would be against that...I understand that there are many other wrongs in the world, many other laws that perhaps should be passed as well. But laws are not mutually exclusive, and the fact that other laws are not present doesn't have anything to do with whether lynching should or should not be technically illegal.
 daisie

Joined: 9/22/2004
Msg: 74
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/25/2005 9:10:41 AM
Are you really serious or are you just joking with me? Your side of the debate has been sounding like a joke for some time now. The crazy thing is to expect the govenment to squander time and money on obsolete activities like passing this dumb lynching law. Have you ever heard of "priorties"? Government has many more infinitely important things to do than to pass a law you can't scratch your butt on Wednesday or you can't lynch someone. When they start (possibly this has indeed already begun) worrrying about inane things like that it is the beginning of the end. Out of control beauracracy is what toppled the Roman Empire you know. Every government is vulenerable to that.

 NittanyLion

Joined: 2/19/2005
Msg: 75
Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
Posted: 6/25/2005 9:12:44 AM
daisie, so then you're generally NOT interested in anything more than being condescending and unwilling to tolerate those whose opinions differ from yours? Yikes... that must cause a lot of stress in a FORUM.
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