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| Women insisting on a Christian man
Posted: 8/30/2008 6:57:09 AM |
Its like a reformed alcholic who used to spend all day down the pub with his drinking buddies, the last thing he would want to do if hes been off the drink for some time would be to go back down the pub to even hang around with them as the chances are he would be lead back to drinking. Its not to say they are not still good friends of his.
Hope that makes sense :)
Oh it does. I guess it's like a reformed christian (catholic to be more precise) who used to spend all day with her self-righteous buddies, the last thing she would want to do if she's been off the judgemental narrow minded bigoted mentality for some time would be to go back down that road again to even hang around with them as the chances are she would be lead back to feeling hopeless.
And since she also doesn't believe in judging or hating people for their sexual orientation or sexual conduct, as long as they harm no one of course, she wouldn't want to be
lead into sin.
Because *to her*, the greatest sin of ALL is hatred. And bigotry IS hatred.
And although she's a "sinner" just like everybody else, she refuses to willingly encourage or participate in any way, shape or form in commiting the greatest sin ever commited against mankind.
In her humble opinion of course.
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Posted: 8/30/2008 7:28:31 AM | Dunrich some very good points made,
Yes we all sin, and yes we fall short of the glory of god.
I did not for one minute say i was much better than anyone or that i did not sin, i try to live like christ and the only way we can learn to be more like him is to read and try to follow the gospel, although sometimes i have a hard time doing it.
All i have done is try to explain scripture and why christians as a whole belief what they do,and relate it to the topic of the thread, and again its a case of dont shoot the messenger. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 8:21:17 AM | The original meaning of the word yoked is as I quoted.
In essence the lord is warning us not to yoke (join) with unbelivers in partnerships such as love ect, because it can lead us to sin. You were already asked this question once, but I'll ask it again, what sin would the christian be led into by the non-christian? Hopefully you provide an answer this time, I most certainly look forward to hearing it.
And what did you mean by "etc".. that one should not even befriend a non-believer? How very Christ-like. Again, makes me wonder what Jesus would have to say about all of this.
Most of my friends are christian. In the beginning, they all admit to having judged me, they thought I was pretty "out there", but as they got to know me.. see my heart so to speak, they opened not only their mind but also their heart to this non-believer. What at one time they judged, many now defend on my behalf, which makes me really happy :) I stood beside my best friend as she married a Buddhist last weekend and I highly doubt that God was frowning upon the union.. their love shone and lit up a room!
It is NOT a sin to join in partnership or marry someone who is non a christian, it is frowned upon as it more often than not leads into temptation. Temptation to what? Do tell. And many christians DO see it as a sin.
Its like a reformed alcholic who used to spend all day down the pub with his drinking buddies, the last thing he would want to do if hes been off the drink for some time would be to go back down the pub to even hang around with them as the chances are he would be lead back to drinking. Its not to say they are not still good friends of his. With all do respect, this is a very POOR analogy. First of all, the reformed bit implies that the christian is born again, and quite obviously not all are. Secondly, to equate atheism/agnosticism and any other religious/spirtual path with alcoholism is insulting and well, just plain ridiculous.
Aside from that, your analogy again begs the question of what sin the non-believer would be tempting the christian into.. ?
Personally, I don't need any verse in a book to tell me who to associate with. If I can't figure that out on my own I would be pretty ashamed of myself. And I will tell you one thing, my choice would NEVER include a label, it will be about the heart of a person. It is THAT which connects me to God after all.
I am not attempting to change anyone's mind here.. believe and do as you wish. I have just recently become passionate about this topic due to something that was close to my heart and feel the need to discuss it. Sorry if this has been off topic Op, it just facsinates me so.... the justifications... | |
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| Women insisting on a Christian man
Posted: 8/30/2008 8:30:31 AM | "woman wanting christian man"
I think the problem is the question,and the use of the term christian.Maybe one should be searching for a biblical man. There is a rule book for conduct in relationships and marriage .Both parties have to agree that if a problem arises in the marriage they go to the rule book.First they have to agree on the rule book.ie "equally yolked."If the rule book for the two is the bible then they search it for the answer to their problem. Example-If the wife does not want her husband to smoke lets look to the rule book."The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife."If the husband wants to please his wife he will quit smoking. Or at least try:) Hope you catch the drift. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 8:47:46 AM | You were already asked this question once, but I'll ask it again, what sin would the christian be led into by the non-christian? Hopefully you provide an answer this time, I most certainly look forward to hearing it.
And what did you mean by "etc".. that one should not even befriend a non-believer? How very Christ-like. Again, makes me wonder what Jesus would have to say about all of this.
Sin would be anything that would violates the law of christ and the christian way of living, perhaps you should read the gospel for yourself and ask god for all the answers to your questions.
that one should not even befriend a non-believer?
No thats just absurd to even suggest, i mean marriages,couples - those "yoked together" | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 8:55:47 AM |
Sin would be anything that would violates the law of christ and the christian way of living Oh really? A non-believer could tempt a christian to lead a sinful life.. ? Then how strong was the christian's faith to begin with?? And please.. christians sin every day, no? Isn't everyone a sinner in your view??
If I transgress my own personal morality/spiritual ideals, I know exactly where to point my finger... it was MY choice to make after all.
perhaps you should read the gospel for yourself and ask god for all the answers to your questions. I already have a relationship with God thanks, nice side step on the question though.
that one should not even befriend a non-believer?
--->No thats just absurd to even suggest, i mean marriages,couples - those "yoked together" You had said love, "etc".. I simply wondered what you meant by that...
And it would be ridiculous to suggest such a thing? Okay... why don't you take another gander at your analogy then ;) | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 9:17:31 AM | As i have said before we all fall short of the glory of god
I already have a relationship with God thanks, nice side step on the question though.
Well perhaps you should be reading the gospel more often, as you would not need to ask most of these questions. | |
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| Women insisting on a Christian man
Posted: 8/30/2008 9:28:23 AM |
Well perhaps you should be reading the gospel more often, as you would not need to ask most of these questions. Wow. I was asking for clarification on YOUR view, not God's.
As I said, I already have a relationship with God and it is independent of the scriptures. Your judgment shines bright with such a statement. You might want to examine the log in thine own eye  | |
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| Women insisting on a Christian man
Posted: 8/30/2008 9:50:36 AM | sassy....you are non- religious....your post? No surprise from me.
And yes...there is only one way.
But ya'll keep telling yourself different~
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Posted: 8/30/2008 9:55:34 AM | As I said, I already have a relationship with God and it is independent of the scriptures
Well that sums it up for me!
sassy....you are non- religious....your post? No surprise from me.
And yes...there is only one way.
But ya'll keep telling yourself different~
Yes i guessed that late on by the bitterness and wrath within her posts.
Plus Then seeing Astrology down as one of her intrests
Jesus still loves you no matter how much you hate him sassy :) | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 10:01:24 AM | | Where is grace in your replys? If my only example of a christian was what I was reading from some of you I would be turned off myself. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 10:15:22 AM | I wasn't going to bother with this thread because I see it disintegrating into further polarisation, but sparkofpassion, you need to be challenged on what is becoming a judgemental and unchristian personal attack. Sassy is one of the nicest and decent people on this forum. And, no, we don't agree on everything. In fact, we hold strong opposing opinions on a few things. But we have much more in common, and the greatest of those is mutual respect and understanding. The smiley doesn't take the venom out of this comment:
Jesus still loves you no matter how much you hate him sassy :) . As far as I know, sassy doesn't hate Jesus. However, like me, she can't stomach judgemental jerks who toss His Name out to defend their bigotry and hatred. Of course Jesus loves her. But DO YOU? Because you sure ain't showing it, brother.
And I would like to know the answer to the question of exactly how does a non-Christian lead a Christian into sin by virtue of the fact that they are a non-Christian? Where's the cause and effect? Connect the dots for me, would you? You say you speak for the Lord. Well, suit up, strap up, and stand up and tell us the HOW. Or mealy-mouth around it. To quote Jesus, "let your 'yes' be 'yes', and your 'no' be 'no'." | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 10:55:59 AM | godsplumber....
on your profile you state:
If there is someone reading this and you are not sure where you are going when you die please believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins,was buried and on the third day rose again from the dead,and if you will simply believe this great truth God will give you eternal life freely,you have to do nothing,no religious rites,simply have faith. As you can see im very vocal about my faith and I could not miss the opportunity to share with so many people.
This is very true! He also wants you to GROW in your faith! Not just sit back and NOT learn further how to walk with Christ.
So many are miss-lead into "mans feel good preaching" that nothing is learned of the rewards in Heaven.....mainly because people know there are laws of God one must follow to grow in the Christian walk! YES, He wants us to be in heaven with him, but he wants us to grow closer to him and let Him use us!
The Bible teaches how quickly we can go astray....it teaches what to stay clear of and to repent of sins......not just one time, but every time.....it teaches that if you know not to do something and do it anyway, it is a sin....but people don't want to know what do and what not to do because then they will have to change their willful ways....they don't want to do that!
So keep heads in the sand!
Also, there is not one-sided "attacks" going on here....everyone is giving and getting equally...many people don't want to know what the Biblical truths are...it cramps their style!
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| Women insisting on a Christian man
Posted: 8/30/2008 10:59:00 AM |
sassy....you are non- religious....your post? No surprise from me.
And yes...there is only one way.
But ya'll keep telling yourself different~ Bigotry and exclusivity of truth, nothing to respond to here, just pointing out what it is.
As I said, I already have a relationship with God and it is independent of the scriptures
--->Well that sums it up for me! How so?
Yes i guessed that late on by the bitterness and wrath within her posts. Please, point out where the bitterness and wrath in my posts are.. I was asking questions.. that is all.. questions you seemed to continually side step with judgment.
Plus Then seeing Astrology down as one of her intrests What is your point? What does my interest in astrology or anything else for that matter have to do with the topic at hand? Once again, your judgment is showing.
Jesus still loves you no matter how much you hate him sassy :) I don't hate Jesus, I respect the message that Jesus came to share tremendously... I think it is sad how it was twisted for an elite few's gain. Do you honestly think you have been emulating your saviour with your behaviour in this thread?
I already know that God loves me, I don't need to be told.. "his" love for me and ALL of us (imo) is unconditional and eternal and I feel it in every cell of my being :) | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 11:00:20 AM | I dont preach hatred, some may take my words out of contex ,some may be offended by my light sense of humour, if that is the case i do apologise.
As for the leading into sin, the way I see it is that you drift from the faith which leads into tempation and onto sin (if yoked with a non christian.)
Sin such as sex before marriage, worshipping of other gods, excessive fornication, the list goes on.
Again It is a guidline and a warning in the gospel, its not a sin to marry a non christian as far as i can understand. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 11:32:23 AM | | This is very true! He also wants you to GROW in your faith! Not just sit back and NOT learn further how to walk with Christ.????? Where did that one come from."For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.""But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned." For someone to grow are we not agreed that they first must have the Spirit of God? | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 4:38:00 PM | I have been single for a few years now, and even though i have women at church throwing themselfs at me i am looking for a woman who does not lust for me and my body but truely follows jesus.
Remember these words? Now, tell me how being with a Christian, is staying away from temptation? If that is what we should do , stay away from temptation, I suggest you get another Church, Wouldn't all "those Harlots" throwing themselves at you, be considered temptation ?
As for the leading into sin, the way I see it is that you drift from the faith which leads into tempation and onto sin (if yoked with a non christian.)
And this does not happen with Christians? Explain all those "lusting after after your body " females at your Church, all those woman who as you said, couldn't go 6 months with out a man? ( man do I ever need to find a church like this one!)
Sin such as sex before marriage, worshiping of other gods, excessive fornication, the list goes on.
Again, how is being with a Christian going to cut down on any of theses?
By the way, excessive fornication , serious , this is a sin?
Never read any 3 times a month rule in my Bible, guess you learn something every day. Whew, just discovered I am not as bad as a sinner as I thought I was! My ex was a Saint! | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 5:48:55 PM | Reading some of these posts reminds me of why I left Christianity in the first place.
In a previous post someone wrote that another poster on here has astrology listed as one of her interests. So what? You mean you can't be a Christian and believe in astrology too?!? How about the Chaldean or Persian Magi who visited the Christ infant? They warned Mary and Joseph to go to Egypt and raise Jesus there. On the other hand, one of Jesus' own followers betrayed him and another denied him.
And magick? I'm sure the Magi practiced magick. Moses was raised as an Egyptian and he learned their magickal arts as well.
And divination? Somewhere in Genesis a character named Joseph used a cup for divination. I think it was the same one who got sold into slavery to Egypt.
Originally, Christianity was based on the Judaism that Jesus practiced (some say he was an Essene and not either a Pharisee or Sadducee). What happened? Somewhere along the way a Greek-speaking Jew named Saul showed up and got converted and renamed himself Paul. Then he stripped Old Testament laws out of his brand of Christianity. I guess he had to so he could reach a European crowd. They weren't going to give up pork and the men weren't going to want to be circumcized. In fact, even nowadays European men are uncircumcized and that's how Jewish men were found to be Jewish under Hitler's rule. "Drop 'em!" and if you were circumcized, off to the concentration camps with you. And Paul said that non-Jewish converts didn't have to follow Jewish holidays, so Christians in later years adopted European Pagan holidays and Christianized them. There's not much about Christianity that's Jewish anymore. Christianity is like Buddhism in that it found its greatest success outside of the region where it had been born. Our European ancestors didn't just hear the gospel and accepted it on their own. It was kings and other rulers who converted and had everybody else convert, and that process took hundreds of years. I'm sure our pre-Christian European ancestors found the new teachings from the Middle East very strange.
During Christianity's early years there were so many sects, and even the Gnostics themselves had many different sects. It was when Roman Catholicism became the official religion of the Roman Empire that the books of the New Testament were even codified. If you're reading the Bible, you're reading something that Roman Catholic church fathers decided centuries ago what you should be reading (and what you shouldn't). In Europe a lot of churches are built on top of ancient Pagan temples, including St. Peter's in Vatican City and Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris.
The book of Revelation is hard for most Christians to grasp because of all the symbolism in it. Books like that and Daniel were written in very harsh times and often they were encoded so the authorities wouldn't pay much attention to them. Both Hebrew and Greek letters all have numerical values. One of those languages was used to refer to "Nero Caesar" as 666. Of course, at the time they couldn't just come out and say bad things about Nero, so they encoded it. Some of the authors of Biblical books were very familiar with what we now call the Kabbalah, including Jesus himself (even though he himself didn't write a single word in the Bible). Jesus spoke Aramaic instead of Hebrew and "The Lord's Prayer" is very Kabbalistic.
English version of "Nero":
N = 14
E = 5
R = 18
O = 15
equals 52
Chances are, if any religion claims it's the "one and only way", it's a cult. That may be one reason why many cults have Christian overtones and why charismatic individuals like Jim Jones and David Koresh can have people follow them and die for them. Then again, just because somebody does horrible things in the name of a religion doesn't mean that the religion itself is bad, no matter if that religion is Christianity, Islam, Wicca, or whatever. I've known some peaceful Muslims and I could never imagine them strapping bombs to themselves to kill some infidels. Unfortunately, much of both Christianity and Islam have been spread by the sword. "Live by the sword, die by the sword." | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 5:59:21 PM | I have to admit that I have been very interested in several POF'ers that post here regularly, that are not Christian and I have desired to pursue relationships with at least two of them but didn't..
I guess the most important reason that I do not seek a relationship with either men is out of obedience to Christ, Himself. I see we all have had a field day with the "unequally yoked" passage, so no need to post it again.
However, I also see several other reasons that would make the union unpleasant, if not impossible altogether.
First of all, Christians and nonchristians have very differnt world views. What is important to the Christian is not normally important to the non, and vice-versa.
ex:ministry
Also, we must keep in mind that as a Christian, one normally puts God first, when making life decisions, including marriage. I do not think that a Christian would ever be lead to marry a nonchristian by God. IMO, for one to due so would be out of disobedience, and nothing ever comes good from that. At least not in my experience. Besides, what nonreligious man wants me performing an exorcism over him at night? | |
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| Women insisting on a Christian man
Posted: 8/30/2008 8:14:38 PM |
I guess the most important reason that I do not seek a relationship with either men is out of obedience to Christ, Himself. How did you come to the conclusion that this is what Jesus wants? I am genuinely curious...
First of all, Christians and nonchristians have very differnt world views. What is important to the Christian is not normally important to the non, and vice-versa. As you have at least partially acknowledged, this is not necessarily true. My values are right in line with many of my christian friends.. and we consider similar things important..
You brought up the example of ministry.. and in this you have a solid point. I said before that I can see incompatibility being used as a reason to not date/marry one who does not share your faith. When one is dedicated to ministering or going to church functions where the other person could care less, then yes, clearly that is a compatibility time bomb. But acknowledging incompatibility and branding the non-believer as someone who would pull the christian into a life of sinning by their inherent darkness are two totally different things.
Also, we must keep in mind that as a Christian, one normally puts God first, when making life decisions, including marriage. What makes you think that many non-christians do not also put God first? I can attest to the falsity of that assumption. By the same token, as I am sure you know.. many christians do not put God first.
I do not think that a Christian would ever be lead to marry a nonchristian by God. IMO, for one to due so would be out of disobedience, and nothing ever comes good from that. Your opinion is not the same as God's ;)
Again, I am not attempting to alter anyone's view.. merely questioning the reasoning behind the idea that one MUST date or marry someone of the exact same faith or suffer consequences. Like I said, believe as you wish.. I just find the reasoning behind it all to be rather enlightening. The responses in this thread have made me realize a thing or two, and I thank you ALL for that :) | |
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| Women insisting on a Christian man
Posted: 8/30/2008 8:36:52 PM | First of all, Christians and nonchristians have very differnt world views. What is important to the Christian is not normally important to the non, and vice-versa.
ex:ministry
Funny how Christians can view things so differently, from other Christians.
My politics / world view has not changed very much since becoming a believer. If any thing, it has caused me to be more tolerant, than I ever was before. My beliefs, have very little to do with what I support/ do not support , they are the same today in most cases as they were 10 years ago.
There have been a few changes for sure, related to my beliefs. For some strange reason, it is my study of Christ, that has softened a lot of those views I use to have. A lot of Christians I know, tend to go the other way.
What amazes me is how so many Christians get hung up on a Non Believers sin, or what they consider sin. Why? What does it matter? Someone wants to worship another God, why do Christians think that by getting them to stop, they are saving them?
For heavens sake, it is not sin that keeps one from God. If that were the case , then none of us Christians will get to meet him either!
Somewhere a long the line, you have to pick moral guide lines that are acceptable to you. For example, I work with a chap that professes to be Christian,. Extreme legalistic type, he attends a Church where they consider their Preacher to be an actual apostle of Christ, even call him an Apostle. That gent, is as far away from my beliefs, as any other.
I work with a Hindu and a Muslim. We have our differences for sure, but I have more in common with those 2 than I ever will this " Apostle follower". I will fellowship anytime with my 2 co workers who believe in a different religion than I do, never will spend one minute not required to do my job with my 'so called fellow Christian.
But the we have something in common, all 3 of us have family serving. My Muslim friends son served in Afghanistan with the Canadian Armed Forces, my Hindu co worker has a brother in the American Armed Forces, 17 years so far as a medic.
My so called Christian brother? Will not even wear red on Friday , his 'Apostle believes it is joining in with the world or some nonsense. Even in how we view the World, there is no set common link to what all Christians believe in. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 8:40:20 PM | I'm not into designer labels, I'd sooner check the fabric (oh, this is not the fashion post!).
I believe in the existence of any religion that unites people (all people, not just the 'members the club') in love and peace...in the absence of degradation and discrimination. Many of Earth's most spiritually advanced individuals have not been 'Christians' and likewise many who have claimed to be Christians have comitted the greatest of atrocities. I have discovered Atheists, that have carried the torch of care and compassion for their fellow human beings, that have put me to shame. So what's my point, the measure of the qualities of another human being lies in their thoughts and actions...not in the description.
As per the term 'Sin', which was previously mentioned...it is my undrestanding that this word is a greek translation, meaning "missed the point" (please correct me if this is incorrect)...if this is true, then many religious organizations have grossly sinned (unity?). To miss the point in this context would be to judge an individual based upon club enrollment, rather than character examination. Whether one is theologically inclined is irrelavant...IMHO.
Please, allow courtesy when criticizing any 'holy book'...it may be due to ignorance that one is unable to discern some small truth within the text, or maybe not (agreement to the content of said text is purely optional)? Now, what 'man' has done to this text, within respect to manipulation, can be freely cited and condemned. To the 'religious right': That would include the manipulation of meanings to strengthen their own opinion...not a very endearing nor God-respecting quality.
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Posted: 8/30/2008 10:11:21 PM | [/Originally, Christianity was based on the Judaism that Jesus practiced ] First of all the belivers were first called christians at antioch,some time after Christ was raised from the dead.[/Somewhere along the way a Greek-speaking Jew named Saul showed up and got converted and renamed himself Paul. Then he stripped Old Testament laws out of his brand of Christianity. I guess he had to so he could reach a European crowd.] In acts chapter 9 the risen and glorified Lord appeared to Saul of Tarsus and saved him for a specific purpose,to reveal a secret that was hid in God from the foundation of the world."If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Eph 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Eph 3:8 ΒΆ Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; Eph 3:9 And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Im very sorry if this has never been explained clearly before. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 2:03:25 AM | In Acts 19 (I think that's the correct chapter), when the Ephesians realize Paul's a Jew, they shouted for hours: "Great is Artemis of Ephesus!"
So Paleo-Paganism in Europe didn't go down without a fight.  | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 9:31:44 AM | Christians often use Romans 3:23 to show the unbeliever that he has sinned and that he falls short of the glory of God. Actually the verse says that all have sinned and all fall short of the glory of God. That includes each and every believer as well!
I am a believer who has sinned, but by the Grace of God, I have been forgiven. This does not mean I will never sin again, but that I have a redeemer who is able to forgive me of my sins. I am seeking a man who believes the same way. I am not looking for a perfect man , as no such person exists except Jesus Christ in my opinion.
I once met a very nice man online, and we dated off and on for several years. But he did not have the same beliefs as I do. I was in love with his kindness, and his caring nature. I hoped that he would change his beliefs. He did not and I finally had to let him go.
I do not believe a man can fool a woman who is strong in her beliefs, and/or her determination to find a Christian man. I believe a woman might hope/pray that he would change. But somewhere deep within she knows who she is with, no matter what facade he puts forth. | |
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