| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/25/2009 6:31:43 PM |
I bet there is not an athlete that competes on a world stage that does not spend some time focusing on those numbers.
Olympic lifters? | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/25/2009 7:22:22 PM |
...I think someone is an athlete when he no longer has to care about those numbers, but just gets the job done and looks out from the top of the podium...
I bet there is not an athlete that competes on a world stage that does not spend some time focusing on those numbers.
Why would you bet on that sort of thing?
You didn't back up any of your other outlandish claims with data to support it. How will we measure the claim for this one in order to see who win the bet? I coached a bunch of athletes who competed on the world stage for whom we didn't measure max aerobic power, or max gas exchange. Who TF cares what the numbers are when you're dropping a world class time in 200 m on the velodrome. MAP doesn't even enter into it. BMX athletes in the west consider the tests useless. I don't know a single one who measures the parameters. Bodybuilders?... You think there was a gas collection cart in the training regimes of any Mr. Universe competitors? Should we even go into power lifters?
What about Judo? Lawn bowls? Baseball? Rugby?... I know more rugby players than I care to, and I guarantee you they don't give a flying about those numbers. They often do Leger "beep tests" to see where they sit. But it comes down to performance more than anything else.
So what is it exactly that you're saying in that bet?
I'm not sure I get your point. | |
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Jim978
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Joined: 7/15/2008
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/26/2009 2:14:06 PM | I use the standard used by the Men's clothing industry.
In that, there is a term called "drop". When buying a suit the "drop" is the difference in inches between the chest measurement and the waist.
A 6" (or more) "drop" is an "Athletic" type.
If the drop is less than 6" then you have to look at inseam. If the waist is less than or equeal to the inseam the type is "slim" or "thin". If the waist larger then the inseam then the body type is "stout" (or what would probably be considered "average" in today's world).
If one's waist measurement is larger than the chest measurement you have "negative drop" and you are over-weight/obesse. | |
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Jim978
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Joined: 7/15/2008
Msg: 79 | |
| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/26/2009 2:52:20 PM |
I may be over simplifying this but wouldn't a person be some sort of athlete to have an athletic body? Not to say that they would need to be a professional or competitor, just someone who regularly performs in some sort of athletic activity.
Does hauling a couple tons of roofing shingles up a ladder every day qualify as an "Athletic activity"? How about moving a few tons of cement blocks? Or a few hundred major appliances?
There are still a whole lot of people out there that do manual labor for a living. Many of them lift quite a bit more weight than your average gym rat does every day. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/26/2009 5:17:31 PM |
There are still a whole lot of people out there that do manual labor for a living. Many of them lift quite a bit more weight than your average gym rat does every day.
Does just performing manual labor give a person the technical prowess of someone who's athletic? | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/26/2009 7:24:44 PM | | some one with above average endurance and strength? I known people that can run but are twigs eitherwise and people who are strong but don't last long with cardio. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/26/2009 10:24:51 PM | Oh COME ON PEOPLE!!...
This original question is being asked in relation to the PoF descriptor of Body Type.
In this case, "Ahtletic" has NOTHING to do with anything but how you look to the population in general looking at you!
If you aren't sure if you're athletic, then YOU AREN'T. This isn't a test of brain power or analytical prowess. If you're really having trouble, walk downtown, strip to your underpants, and ask passers by if you look athletic! Go by what they tell you.
Now, guys, if you LOOK athletic, it seems like women like that a lot, but some will think you're too high maintenance, or take too much time in sport. If they judge you like that, and they're wrong, then you don't want them in your life anyway. If they judge you like that and you are, then they don't want you in their life anyway. Win-win!
Women: when guys think of "athletic", they're thinking they can see your abs... or at least that they can feel them if they touch there... or at least that your tummy is "flat"... no "FUPA" as we say (pm me for a definition of FUPA), and your thighs/legs are proportionate - and you don't have bootee. It's not a judgement - it's an understanding.
This isn't difficult. Or at least it shouldn't be!  | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 1:51:15 AM |
Women: when guys think of "athletic", they're thinking they can see your abs... or at least that they can feel them if they touch there... or at least that your tummy is "flat"... no "FUPA" as we say (pm me for a definition of FUPA), and your thighs/legs are proportionate - and you don't have bootee.
Not really.
I think of an "athletic woman" = exercises regularly enough that her body is firm rather than flabby, and doesn't get winded easily, could probably run 3 miles without having a heart attack. She might be lean and slim (yay!) or a little on the chunky side but still relatively firm not jiggly. Certainly no FUPA, but I would NOT necessarily expect washboard abs, to say the least.
Very different from "woman athlete," which is all too rare a breed these days. | |
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Jim978
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Joined: 7/15/2008
Msg: 85 | |
| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 2:57:34 AM |
Does just performing manual labor give a person the technical prowess of someone who's athletic?
What does "technical prowess" have to do with a body shape? I know plenty of gym rats that can't walk without tripping over their own feet. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 4:58:33 AM | | It depends where you live. I live in America so when I think of average, I think of a fat person. I consider myself athletic cause I'm in good shape. That's all there is to it. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 9:33:03 AM | What does "technical prowess" have to do with a body shape? I know plenty of gym rats that can't walk without tripping over their own feet.
The same thing that makes you believe that doing manual labor would give a person an athletic body. Just being strong doesn't make a person athletic, it also involves having some type of sporting talent. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 11:31:06 AM |
The same thing that makes you believe that doing manual labor would give a person an athletic body. Just being strong doesn't make a person athletic, it also involves having some type of sporting talent.
FFS people! Did anyone read the OP? The OP was about the Athletic body type as it relates to the POF profile and how that body type is defined.
We are talking about a body type and it has absolutely nothing to do with athletic skills or ability. This discussion is solely about the visual description of the body.
Many posters are making the mistaken assumption that athletic ability/skill always directly correlates with having an athletic body type. This is simply not the case all the time. NFL lineman are amazing athletes. They posses strength, quickness, speed and agility and yet many of them would not be described as having an athletic body type.
Conversely as posted numerous times above, there are many people that have athletic bodies solely from the manual labor they engage in. some have athletic ability and some don't, but their body type comes from labor.
Now, if everyone will agree on this clear distinction between ability and body type this thread has run its course. Most everyone will come close to agreeing upon what an Athletic body type looks like. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 11:39:25 AM | | I'll make it easy. Figure out your BMI and percentage of body fat. Men/women with a percentage of body fat equal to or less than 13%/20% respectively are athletic. For every 5 points of BMI over 22 if you're male or 20 if you're female, you get a 1%/2% respective reprieve on body fat, I.E. if you are a guy with a BMI of 27 you can be athletic with 14% body fat. If you don't have a percentage of body fat that low, you're whatever the BMI chart says you are: slim, average or overweight. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 1:27:45 PM |
Many posters are making the mistaken assumption that athletic ability/skill always directly correlates with having an athletic body type. This is simply not the case all the time. NFL lineman are amazing athletes. They posses strength, quickness, speed and agility and yet many of them would not be described as having an athletic body type.
But they have an athletic skill along with most people who consider themselves 'athletic.' It's a bit suspicious when someone claims to have an athletic bodytype without being active in some type of skilled sporting activity. At best they could consider themselves fit. These could possibly include the people who consider themselves better than average but without athletic abilities. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 1:30:00 PM |
I'll make it easy. Figure out your BMI and percentage of body fat. Men/women with a percentage of body fat equal to or less than 13%/20% respectively are athletic. For every 5 points of BMI over 22 if you're male or 20 if you're female, you get a 1%/2% respective reprieve on body fat, I.E. if you are a guy with a BMI of 27 you can be athletic with 14% body fat. If you don't have a percentage of body fat that low, you're whatever the BMI chart says you are: slim, average or overweight.
This is actually the most (medically) accurate description.  | |
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Jim978
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Joined: 7/15/2008
Msg: 93 | |
| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 2:24:05 PM |
But they have an athletic skill along with most people who consider themselves 'athletic.'
You are chasing yourself around in circles. You previously asked how someone might obtain an athletic body type without being participating in athletic activities and that was answered. Now you are willing to accept people who clearly obese because of their skills alone?
What part of "body TYPE" aren't you getting? If you want a "Gym Rat? Yes/No" field then appeal to the PoF admin for one. But that's not what the particular profile field in question is about. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 2:46:10 PM |
...This is actually the most (medically) accurate description...
Disagree.
I am 5'9" - 185lbs
so I have a BMI of 27.3
Underweight = <18.5
Normal weight = 18.5-24.9
Overweight = 25-29.9
Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater
So I am overweight with a body fat percentage of ~10%.
BMI is far to general to use a measuring tool as it does not take into account different body types.
The only accurate way to define someone body is with a combination of the following terms.
Endomorph
Mesomorph
Ectomorph
That is the only way to truly measure / define someone body type.
You do not need to participate in any athletic endeavours to be considered Athletic looking especially if you are mostly Mesomorph. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 2:50:30 PM |
This is actually the most (medically) accurate description.
Doesn't matter.
The question refers solely to "Body Type."
This has nothing to do with anything but how people look, no matter how they became that way, or even if the BMI or percent body fat numbers correlate. Doing math is way too difficult for most people, despite how simple BMI or density or skin-folds are. Being able to work those out goes more in the "Smarts" section!!
It's all about how you look.
Disregard ANY other factor!
Talk about how many sports you can or can't do, or how you have the body type you do in the written description.
That will make it absolutely clear. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 3:28:26 PM | BMI is far to general to use a measuring tool as it does not take into account different body types.
That is why the amount of bodyfat and the hip/waist ratio is also taken into account especially if you are athletic. I drop down to 5-7% bodyfat during certain parts of the year which is considered unhealthy for people who aren't physically active or who do not consume of the nutrients necessary to stay healthy. You can't compare athletes to who train regularly to those who don't, they're two completely different lifestyles and it isn't a fair comparison. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 5:54:17 PM | Okayyyy
You can't compare athletes to who train regularly to those who don't,
Yes you can.
You can compare athletes who train regularly to bananas if you want to.
You can compare anything to anything else.
they're two completely different lifestyles and it isn't a fair comparison.
How do you define "fair", and what does it have to do with a comparison?
Isn't that exactly why you WOULD compare two things?... to demonstrate differences.
And in terms of having an athletic body type, nothing matters except that it IS athletic, since "Athletic" for the purposes of PoF is a measure of appearance.
Ain't that coy?
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 8:36:11 PM | I set mine on average and that may be giving myself more lee way then I ought to. Truth is though, strength and endurence wise, I rate out has excellent by my gyms standards (Test given by a personal trainer). I work out 5-6 days a week for 1 hour and play raquet ball for two hours most Sundays so activity wise, yes I call myself athletic. Looks wise most people wouldn't buy it until they got to know me. Boy I did absouletly nothing to clear that up huh
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 8:38:00 PM | | I think for the purposes of this site, the question relates to body typing only. Outside of this site, the question in my mind relates more to lifestyle. I feel that my body type is athletic but it could also be average just as easily. I had no issues selecting the drop down menu on it, as I did not obsess or dither in thinking that I needed to justify my selection in some way. | |
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| How do you define Athletic?
Posted: 5/27/2009 9:49:41 PM | | Carrick, I'm also using that under the pretense of how people look. Mind you, I'm not championing the BMI by any stretch of the imagination; it's just a convenient variable to incorporate into the equation. The actual appearance of athleticism is still determined by percentage of body fat. If that's too complicated, there are easier ratios to measure, like comparing the waist with the hips and/or chest, but there are more factors in play there that make the validity of those measurements more arbitrary. | |
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