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Posted: 8/26/2008 11:44:24 AM | ever stand in a batters box against a big league hurler? scary shit.
Yet another real-life example of Political Correctness tipping the balance towards Socialism...a slippery slope, indeed.
you want to explain just what the hell this has to do with "Socialism"?
good god. "mosquito bit me on the ass. SOCIALISM."
read a book. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 12:44:23 PM |
Some folks here just don't get it: this isn't a competitive league
ROFL... Please... enlighten me...
What game does not have some sort of competition in it... Family reunions have frisbee contests... by the very nature of a "league" would imply competition. If you are playing a game, and there is One Winning Team... and One Losing Team... THATS competition.
LOL... and who are you really going to believe... a lawyer saying that its not a "competitive team sport" ??? A person who has made his entire living out of twisting the truth to fit his own spin...
Or the coach who is proud of the team being 8-0??
and yes, for God's sake, All children need to be protected with 5 layers of cotton, helmets, gloves, knee pads, shin guards and flack jackets until they reach the age of 25 and then realeased out into the real world....
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Posted: 8/26/2008 12:45:56 PM | | oh those poor poor children who had to face that bully who pitches so fast, they must be terrified, maybe they should wear mask and used a pitching machine in that league, so they dont get hurt, and use tee balls in case it hits them . and plastic bats so that the fielders dont get that ball hit to hard at them.. Oh dont forget dont count the runs, after all we dont want them to win or loose. Then you can have a different league next year just for the kids that dont want to play real baseball... Sounds like a bunch of jealous parents to me... Play Ball... | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 1:06:52 PM |
Some folks here just don't get it: this isn't a competitive league, but one for beginners and others to learn the game, learn sportsmanship and have fun
Isn't a competitive league? Let's see here...eight teams and about 100 players? Not competitive??? What does it take for it to be "competitive"?
The right-hander has a fastball that tops out at about 40 mph.
How did they figured that speed out? "about 40 mph"? About??? Perhaps it is closer to 30 but since he was on target, some parents didn't like having their kids to strike out? Hey...it happens allll the time.
I agree that at this level, the game should be about the teamwork not the ringer.
The kid is 9 years old! A "ringer"??? 
Why not make him work a little on a part of the game he isn't so good at? What harm can come of that?
Yeah...that makes perfect sense.  Hey kid, you are just too damn good as a pitcher so where can we put you so we could win for a change?
They basically punished the kid because he exceled at something?
"Make him play on a part of the game he isn't so good at"? That doesn't promote the sport. That promotes mediocrity!
Is this baseball or flowers 101??? Jesus!
So what about the accusation? No one seem interested in it...
Jericho's coach and parents say the boy is being unfairly targeted because he turned down an invitation to join the defending league champion, which is sponsored by an employer of one of the league's administrators.
Jericho instead joined a team sponsored by Will Power Fitness. The team was 8-0 and on its way to the playoffs when Jericho was banned from pitching.
If that's really what happened, they will deserve all the crap that will come with it.
By the way, what about the team that forfeited the game? Is that promoting the game or how to quit??? Wouldn't it be better for parents and coaches to work on the kids pride instead of being cry babies? Sure this kid is better but it should be an incentive to push the other kids to at least try to beat him at his game. No...it's better to forfeit and than get rid of him. WOW!!! An then we wonder why some are so damn screwed up!
Bottom line...the kid is 9 years old...playing with other kids of his age! Sheeesh!!!
There's ALWAYS a kid sticking out in regards to any sports who is better than the rest. Should we always ban those kids because of natural talents??? | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 1:12:29 PM |
Welcome to the New World Order of PC, where everything has to be lowered to the standards of mediocrity for the sake of making everyone equal.
seriously people - read the story again.
this has nothing to do w/ the kid's ability.
nothing to do w/ being a new world order of pc.
it's about the big bad baseball dad getting pissed because the kid wouldn't play for his team. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 1:37:24 PM | It is about a kid who throws a very fast ball...and parents who are concerned that maybe he should be playing with older boys. A ball that fast can hurt a kid seriously. So, put him in a llevel where that kind of thing can be expected, rather than leaving him with those who are developing skills.
As is, he hasn't hurt anyone...yet. But, he will. How do I know this? Because it is gonna happen, and we ALL know it. Not one pitcher who has played for years hasn't hit someone. Not a one. Just a matter of time before this kid does too...do you want it to be your kid? Could a teen handle it better? Probably.
Anyways...I do have to say that the level of ball playing has gone downhill. Sure...it is supposed to be fun for the kids...but as they get a bit older, they have to learn that some are better than others. That's the way it is. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 1:50:42 PM | So, apparently if you are too good, you can not play. How pathetic is this and are we becoming. If a player has potential and is a good player, he has to be banned from a league or told to play a different position?
Whatever happened to challenging others to pick up their game? Use to be that if someone was better than you, you picked up you level and became better yourself. But now I guess if someone is better than you, you force them to do something different. Maybe I'm missing something, but to me this is disturbing.
It's a 'beginner level' league. It isn't meant to be competitive in the 'big league' sense where it is 'all about the win', this is not a 'big money and scholarships' league.
These kids are just learning the game and as we all know, if you match kids who are beginners (these are 8-10 yr olds, LITTLE kids not teens) in any sport against people who are head & shoulders above them a majority will loose confidence before they have a chance to develop the skills (that's just the way kids that age are).
Playing a highly skilled kid against others who are clearly below his 'league' also tends to cause kids to become c*cky and over-confident, thinking they are better than they actually are because all the opposition is so far below and they do not have the level of competition to help them challenge their skills.
It's a situation that is not in the best interests, in terms of skill development, of either him or the other players.
If he is that good he can easily play the next age group up and be at an even keel with the other players. THAT is what will develop and build his skills.
In my opinion the parent just wants the "glory" of having a kid who's the league 'star player' rather than being merely 'one of the best'. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 2:11:58 PM | Thanks for reminding me why I don't post often, Oscarz.
read a book.
Allow me to respond in kind: Go read your own damn book. I would recommend Solzhenitsyn for the insights into Soviet society, but you might wanna start with Dr Seuss. Take note of capitalization usage. (Comes in handy for writers)
you want to explain just what the hell this has to do with "Socialism"?
This is a clear case of 'leveling the playing field' for the sake of 'fairness', and if you can't see the parallels between that and Socialism, you should use mosquito repellant...the blood-loss is affecting your cognitive powers.
Does belittling other posters make you feel superior in some sad little way? I hope you've noted that two can play your game... and I had half my brain tied behind my back for fairness.
Get it?
A low-level attack merits a low-level response, but I hope you can join in at a higher level, as well. 'Nuff said.
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BTTT: It's been said that this league is a 'non-competitive' one, teaching fundamentals and teamwork. I wonder what lessons are being learned by allowing teams to forfeit due to one little boy with a pitching arm? Winning and losing are fundamental aspects of any sport or team effort, and quitting is not a viable option in real life.
good god.
Exactly. He's a 9 year old boy playing a game with other kids. Methinks it's the parents' baseball dreams behind the uproar. Safety is the promoted reason, but I suspect it's more about winning at all costs...even by getting the other team's players banned.
If this league is all about fundamentals and teamwork, and to "promote the sport"; why bother to keep score, hold playoffs, etc? Whatever happened to coaches who could inspire underdogs to greatness? One pitcher does not a team make, and even if he did, the other teams battle for second place...as they already do, if you wanna look at it that way.
"If you ain't first, you're last."
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Posted: 8/26/2008 2:14:45 PM | Many of the posts here reflect what is wrong with Kids sports....
The kid is 9 years old! A "ringer"???
I guess the Kid from the Dominican Republic that was such a hot pitcher was not a ringer...
Bronx pitcher Danny Almonte....
So what if he was 19 playing against 12 year olds....
The Coach was proud of his win record.... and a NO HITTER....
What does it take for it to be "competitive"?
Many things ..... Have you ever been involved with youth sports?
...You might try coaching ... You could help the P/C crowd correct what is wrong...
"Make him play on a part of the game he isn't so good at"? That doesn't promote the sport. That promotes mediocrity!
a ONE TRICK PONY.... mediocre ..........
What happens when the kid advances to the next level?
Many kids stop playing... Why poor coaching ..... | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 2:24:38 PM | Aww geez...this is tough.
This kid really shouldn't be denied the opportunity to play a game. On the other hand, the people who oppose his involvement in this league have a point : he is too good. So much so in fact that he is actually a risk to other players (at least, that's one of the arguments being used to make the case against him)
Given that it's in everybody's best interest to let this kid play I suppose that the only practical solution is to bump him up a notch. Make an allowance for him in a league with a higher skill level despite his age. I'm sure that an appeal of that sort wouldn't go unheeded.
Actually, I just thought of something else. Keeping this kid in that league probably isn't really all that bad an idea since he forces them to improve their own skill level. As for the danger he poses , well , I don't really buy that argument. He may throw a ball at 40 mph but I imagine that getting hit with a ball thrown at 30 mph isn't really much safer. True, obviously the slower the ball goes the less damage it will do but if you get beaned in the head either way, you're not going to just shrug it off. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 2:25:34 PM | Why is this league even keeping score? I mean if other kids are intimidated by a better player, shouldn't their very fragile egos get crushed if they lost a game?
This league should not keep score just to protect the self esteem of the players. And no more striking out, flying out, thrown out, etc. EVERY player should be allowed to make it to base and after everyone has gone around once, just switch sides. The evil competition is going to ruin the self esteem of the poor, poor children.
And it's always about the children. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 2:30:42 PM | This is a clear case of 'leveling the playing field' for the sake of 'fairness', and if you can't see the parallels between that and Socialism, you should use mosquito repellant...the blood-loss is affecting your cognitive powers.
How about this:
Jericho's coach and parents say the boy is being unfairly targeted because he turned down an invitation to join the defending league champion, which is sponsored by an employer of one of the league's administrators.
Seems to be a fine example of what straight, unregulated Capitalism will eventually lead to. The rich business owners don't get their way; but they have the power, money, and influence, so they simply crush the little nine year old kid, instead. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 3:04:42 PM |
Oh, and of course the 12 year olds are going to pick on a 9 year old with a 40mph fast ball. Maybe that kid could buck it up like you want all the little kids to do.
You mean he would be forced to step it UP?
Whats wrong with him throwing his fast ball at an 8 year old girl... fresh out of T-Ball.....
That is challanging... and he's not good at 2nd base ........
Jericho's coach and parents say the boy is being unfairly targeted because he turned down an invitation to join the defending league champion, which is sponsored by an employer of one of the league's administrators.
..............."Jericho's coach and parents say'
The coach was ask to play other pitchers...... He didn't......The parents got a lawyer.........
I hope this will be enough motivation for posters ....
that know how youth sports "should" work to get out and become involved...
One poster .... for sure would be great in a girls sports league...... | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 3:09:36 PM |
Let me reiterate- these kids are just learning! Kinda hard to improve when you are terrified of the pitch coming at you. If these parents wanted their kids to be in a competetive league where the ball was coming at them at 40 mph they would have put their kids in such a league.
So, let me reiterate for you.... Its the dumbing down of someone that apparently has a talent and skill.
He gets pushed off of a team with his peers, because he is too good for everyone else?? I think everyone else is pissed because he pushes that bar up and they cant reach it.
You're daughter competes in gymnastics... Great example. Here is a hypothetical for you... Your daughter wants to compete on the balance beam... But she is afraid of heights. What do you do?? 12 gymnists on a team... 1 out of the 12 cant handle the height of the beam... so we make the other 11 suffer the humiliation because your daughter cant step up to the plate?? Or we tell her to master her fear, and become better at the balance beam???
same sort of situation....
As for everyone yelling about its not competitive.... PLEASE!! If it was NOT competitive, they wouldnt be keeping score... 8-0 is a damn good score!!! No competition, then what the hell is the point? Billy hits a home run, but he doesnt have to run, no one is going to try and tag him out, there is no out... its not a competitive sport.... do you really believe this??? On What planet are you living?? LOL
If there isnt any competition, then whats the point of playing the game??? Just to stand there, taking up space and air?
Let the kid play, and let those other kids learn to become better... | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 3:18:39 PM | | I understand both sides. It would be no fun if they knew they would lose, and the kid who could pitch feels bad because he feels reprimanded for playing good. As for it being because of the danger, I dont buy that. When he was on second base, he would have to throw the ball fast and hard to the other bases to get the opposing team runner out.For this kid going up to the next level, would he be denied because he didn't finish this beginners leve?.I hate it when I agree with both sides. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 3:22:41 PM | Why is this league even keeping score? I mean if other kids are intimidated by a better player, shouldn't their very fragile egos get crushed if they lost a game?
Ah the old 'all-or-nothing false dichotomy' carried to an absurd extreme.
Let's look at it from a different angle. If this were a wrestling league would it be OK to match two 12 yr olds up, one who hasn't started puberty, weighs 80 lbs, is 4'9" (an average 12 yr old) against another who hit puberty at 10-11, weighs 140 lbs, is 5'7" (the size of an average 15 yr old).
They are the same age, would likely be in the same grade and may even be friends. Why should the larger child be forced to move up to the same weight class as an average 15 yr old when he can just stay with his age group and 'kick ass' all the way to the championship?
I'm pretty sure making him move up has something to do with the difference in ability between him and his age peers but why should that matter?
Isn't it better for the parents and kid to just let him stay at a level that is below his ability so he can 'be the star' and the parents get bragging rights?
After all, they're both 12, right (and I don't mean the parents but it does apply there too)? | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 3:29:58 PM | I don't care if it is a girl or a boy - neither does the ball. He is too good for this league at least as a pitcher. Why didn't the coach put in other pitchers? Why are parents calling attorneys over a game? This kid just wants to play ball - does he HAVE to pitch? Is there no other position he could play that would round out his abilities as a Little Leaguer? I think there must be. The adults are the ones mucking it up and making a stink.
Little league baseball is about learning the sport. It is more than just winning the game. That is why folks are saying it isn't supposed to be competitive. What they mean is that is not the focus. The focus is on GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP. You have to know how to win AND how to lose. It is part of the game. It seems to me these ADULTS who are involved have forgotten the meaning of good sportsmanship. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 3:43:39 PM | .
Liga Juvenil De Baseball De New Haven, Spanish for Youth Baseball League of New Haven. The league is not affiliated with Little League baseball.
Not affiliated with Little League baseball....
this is a recreation league..... That is what is meant by not competitive.... I am sure the Mother will prove her point... Maybe kill the league.
SHE has a lawyer... Thats the competitive spirit......... A real sportsman attitude...
The sports sites show average fast ball speed for a 9 year old is 40 mph... He might have to try out for a competitive team .. I wonder if he would be a STAR?
Jericho Scott's coach, Wilfred Vidro, doesn't think that the youngster should be punished for being the best pitcher in the league. "He's never hurt any one," Vidro said. "He's on target all the time. How can you punish a kid for being too good?"
A 9 year old that is always on target? Never Hurt anyone? | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 4:07:29 PM |
The rich business owners don't get their way; but they have the power, money, and influence, so they simply crush the little nine year old kid, instead.
Touche', Hank...nicely done, lol. Glad you mentioned that. The underlying principles, or lack of, is what inspired me to write in the first place. If the "defending league champion" can't have the 'ringer', no one will. Who keeps the trophy? The sponsor? Shame on the league administration for trying to cherry pick a winner, then pissing in the pie when it didn't work out.
Jericho should have been 'sent up' immediately, not so far into the season. No fair to reshuffle the deck so late in the game. Ironically, putting Jericho into a more advanced league would expose him to some of the same dangers he's accused of being...bigger kids, faster pitches, etc. Perhaps it'd be better just to bench him for a couple years for his own safety. Safety is a valid concern, but all activities, even INactivity can be hazardous. (Think obesity, stroke, diabetes, heart attack, bed sores, etc.)
How are the teams picked in the first place? My own short-lived baseball experience started with tryouts, with decent players joining the Little League, and the rest of us scrubs relegated to 'Minor' league. Sure we kept score, but I'll be darned if I remember any win/loss record.
Any 'championship' trophy better include an asterisk for banning Jericho. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 4:24:43 PM |
Jericho should have been 'sent up' immediately, not so far into the season. No fair to reshuffle the deck so late in the game.
That, really is the 'fly in the ointment' in this one.
The people complaining should have done so at the outset, not waiting until the results were all but 'sewn up'.
That makes the stated basis for the complaint appear disingenuous but it doesn't change the fact that the kid is going to get far more skill development by moving around to positions he is less good at or moving to a level that actually challenges him to improve his skill at the position(s) he is good at. That, really, should be the goal, to provide kids with challenges that exceed their abilities to a degree that they can realistically rise to. Winning purely (or even largely) because very few on the other teams can hit his pitches does little to develop the skills of the other members of EVEN HIS OWN team (as they have far less work to do than the opposing team in the course of a game). 'No hitters' and 'low hitters' typically present LITTLE OR NO CHALLENGE to the infielders or outfielders of the winning team. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 4:27:51 PM | .
The accusation is by the Mother and Coach.......
The kid was not banned.
Breaking up the team was the choice of the coach... He did not follow a league request....... | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 4:34:39 PM |
You're daughter competes in gymnastics... Great example. Here is a hypothetical for you... Your daughter wants to compete on the balance beam... But she is afraid of heights. What do you do?? 12 gymnists on a team... 1 out of the 12 cant handle the height of the beam... so we make the other 11 suffer the humiliation because your daughter cant step up to the plate?? Or we tell her to master her fear, and become better at the balance beam???
If she couldnt do the beam she would not be at that level!
smuggler, you are ridiculous. I went and checked and infact you have no children. So maybe you just cannot get this. These kids (and they are little kids) are on this team to LEARN how to play the game. thhis kid is a freak of nature and is throwing the ball at them at 40MPH! I would yank my kid out of that league in a heartbeat.
There were probably a lot of complaints by concerned parents. I would have been one of them, and I am as competetive as they come.
8 year old little kids should not have anything coming at them at 40MPHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Get over your testosterone induced rabidity! These are little kids. They are not being challenged to step up their game. They are being terrified.
And this kid is 9. And I agree, he hasnt hit anyone YET!
He doesnt belong in that league. I get that there maybe someone who has sour grapes because he was not on their team. Not really the point though.
The kid doesnt belong on that league. He could stay on that league if he wanted to work on some of his other skills. but NO, they had to put him back on the mound.
I would imagine if you had a little girl (and 8 years old is a little girl) that you would want somebody throwing something at her at 40 MPH. I would like my child to make it to adulthood with her brains still intact though. I do not care how hard of a helmet they give these kids. 40 MPH is fast, too fast for an 8 year old little kid. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 4:38:07 PM | Ah the old 'all-or-nothing false dichotomy' carried to an absurd extreme.
Let's look at it from a different angle. If this were a wrestling league would it be OK to match two 12 yr olds up, one who hasn't started puberty, weighs 80 lbs, is 4'9" (an average 12 yr old) against another who hit puberty at 10-11, weighs 140 lbs, is 5'7" (the size of an average 15 yr old).
They are the same age, would likely be in the same grade and may even be friends. Why should the larger child be forced to move up to the same weight class as an average 15 yr old when he can just stay with his age group and 'kick ass' all the way to the championship?
I'm pretty sure making him move up has something to do with the difference in ability between him and his age peers but why should that matter?
Isn't it better for the parents and kid to just let him stay at a level that is below his ability so he can 'be the star' and the parents get bragging rights?
After all, they're both 12, right (and I don't mean the parents but it does apply there too)?
Ummm Lets compare apples to apples and oranges to grapes???? WTF???
Wrestling is a CONTACT SPORT! They have Weight Classes... Baseball is NOT a contact sport, they are broken into AGE GROUPS!!!
Are you serious??? ROFL.... please.... | |
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Posted: 8/26/2008 4:43:44 PM |
smuggler, you are ridiculous. I went and checked and infact you have no children. So maybe you just cannot get this. These kids (and they are little kids) are on this team to LEARN how to play the game. thhis kid is a freak of nature and is throwing the ball at them at 40MPH! I would yank my kid out of that league in a heartbeat.
There were probably a lot of complaints by concerned parents. I would have been one of them, and I am as competetive as they come.
8 year old little kids should not have anything coming at them at 40MPHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Get over your testosterone induced rabidity! These are little kids. They are not being challenged to step up their game. They are being terrified.
And this kid is 9. And I agree, he hasnt hit anyone YET!
He doesnt belong in that league. I get that there maybe someone who has sour grapes because he was not on their team. Not really the point though.
The kid doesnt belong on that league. He could stay on that league if he wanted to work on some of his other skills. but NO, they had to put him back on the mound.
I would imagine if you had a little girl (and 8 years old is a little girl) that you would want somebody throwing something at her at 40 MPH. I would like my child to make it to adulthood with her brains still intact though. I do not care how hard of a helmet they give these kids. 40 MPH is fast, too fast for an 8 year old little kid.
ROFL... Yep.. you're right.. I dont have any kids... But if I had a kid.. I tell you what. He wouldnt be mothered to death, until he was 25...
The kids got a skill, a talent... dont hate because your kid cant compare! LOL...
You want to draw into play the fact that I really am a single man?? go ahead. You're 100% right... I dont come with attachments trying to pass myself off as single.
And as it has been said on numerous other posts... I, like you, and everyone else, am entitled to my opinion. Simply stated... They are punishing this 9 yr old, because the rest of the apron string soccer moms like yourself, dont want your little babies to be hurt, or 'scarred for life' at the fact they have someone else who raises the bar....
Dumbing down of society (the many) for the sake of the few... No wonder society is going down hill fast.  | |
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