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 mungojoe
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Wrestling is a CONTACT SPORT! They have Weight Classes... Baseball is NOT a contact sport, they are broken into AGE GROUPS!!!

Contact sports are broken into weight groups rather than age groups SPECIFICALLY because of the differences in ability that come from size and weight. On average, two kids of the same age will be very close in ability (size and weight (that is a fact)) but it recognizes that that may not always be the case. Hence, they are classified by ABILITY.

Non-contact sports are broken into age groups because of the same reason, on average, kids of the same age group will have very similar abilities, not because of something magical about the age number. What it DOESN'T recognize (by classifying by age rather than ability as other sports do) is that ability is not always determined by age, some kids have ability beyond their age peers.

If you want a kid to develop his skills and ability then he needs to be in an environment that CHALLENGES those skills and abilities, not an environment that is a 'cake walk' for them. Even though he is the same age, his ability isn't (in some regards). By playing him only in the position where his ability is not challenged you are actually doing him a disservice (as well as every other kid on his team and in the other teams), as both a parent and a coach.

It's only "apples and oranges to grapes" for you because you are far too caught up in the "it's all about win, win, win at all costs" and not giving any real consideration to the concept of skill development and what is ACTUALLY necessary to achieve that with kids.

Kids need to be at a level that is at or near their skill, not 'in over their heads to make them step up' or 'below their skill so they can be the star'.

Would you teach your kid to swim by tossing them into the middle of the lake and walking away, would you take your olympic swimmer to a wading pool because 'it's a cake-walk win' or would you do it where they are challenged but not overwhelmed (your answer will truly determine your understanding of what it takes to effectively parent a child)?
 gentalltheway
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Posted: 8/26/2008 5:59:50 PM
This kid is no bigger or taller than the other kids. As someone mentioned in here, a 40 mph ball is fairly common for a 9 year old so where’s the problem? It’s simple really…This one happens to be able to control the ball very well as he never hit anyone... but that was not the problem. The problem was that he “turned down an invitation to join the defending league champion, which is sponsored by an employer of one of the league's administrators.”

Now, coming back to the speed, if 40 mph is fairly common for that age, then when I analyse what some are saying, it will be ok for any other same age pitcher to hit other kids as long as they have fun learning the game and have a fighting chance...right? Same speed...hitting players…but can win = OK Right? Or are some just debating because other kids can’t seem to challenge him? They want their kids to play as long as there’s no special talented kids around…right? And we should agree because after all, we should not challenge kids…right?

When it comes to the excuse of “learning the game” goes, the same can be applied to Little League players as quite a few never played baseball before they registered. So now they are 12 but the average speed goes up to 70 mph. Ohhhh…we should ban baseball as someone is bound to get hurt!

As for from having him in another class goes, isn’t Little League the next step? If so, isn’t 12 the minimum age requirement?

Hmmm….3 years without playing where he seems to have a certain talent...That just doesn’t sound fair to me and again, it would promote mediocrity
 Written by Hank
Joined: 3/8/2008
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Posted: 8/26/2008 6:04:48 PM

Touche', Hank...


I had to get that commit in there - could help myself.

Anyway, I'm on the fence with this one. When I read the article this morning in the newspaper, my first thought was: the kid should be allowed to play. You can't tell the kid he can't play because he's better than the other kids.

Reading the posts on this thread has me rethinking it, now. The concern that a 40 mph pitch might be a risk to the other kids seems valid.

I certainly wouldn't advocate removing the kid from the game simply because he's better than the others. That's the luck of the draw in sports - some teams get better players than others. It does appear the adults acted improperly by trying to get the kid on their sponsored team. I though player distribution among the teams in these types of kid-sports-activities was random. The kid shouldn't suffer for what the adults did.

Taking it to court is a bit much, in my opinion. Better if the parent just gave their child the "life is sometimes unfair" talk, instead of the, "you were wronged, so hire the lawyers" talk.
 ~AShootingStar~
Joined: 8/17/2008
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Posted: 8/26/2008 6:28:19 PM
Swing---------------batter batter----------------
but maybe do his pitching with more advanced players'
The parents should maybe look at this an opportunity for their son,
as he appears to possess talent at a young age. ---------------------
If he throws too fast and strong it could prove to sooner or later
put the other children at risk.

recognizing his talent, and moving him up,could be the moral to this
whole story!

swing---------batter---------batter-------
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
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Posted: 8/26/2008 6:34:56 PM
This kid is no bigger or taller than the other kids.

No-one said he was. It was an analogy.

He is playing in an 8-10 "house league". If he really is that good then there is no reason he shouldn't be playing in a more experienced "house league" at say the 11-12 age range, assuming it really is about developing his skills. That's where he'll get the challenge if all he does is pitch.

No doubt the adults are playing it for reasons that have nothing to do with developing the kids' abilities. Being on "the other team but not his" probably is the real reason behind the complaint and the "skill development" is a smoke screen because it can be justified.

The coach however, along with the parent, is not considering his skill development either. Their opposition has everything to do with "being the star" as well.

If the coach were actually as concerned with building well-rounded, skilled players he would be playing him more regularly in his 2nd & 3rd best positions and giving other players more chance to build their pitching skills (apparently from the story the other kids almost never get a chance to pitch even if they might have potential).

If the parent were actually more concerned with him developing well-rounded skills than 'being the star' she would be insisting that he get more time in his next best positions rather than a 'one trick pony' or not playing.
 badge3939
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Posted: 8/26/2008 6:50:20 PM

Jericho's coach and parents say the boy is being unfairly targeted because he turned down an invitation to join the defending league champion, which is sponsored by an employer of one of the league's administrators.
Jericho instead joined a team sponsored by Will Power Fitness. The team was 8-0 and on its way to the playoffs when Jericho was banned from pitching.


It all politics

This is why they want him banned. It has nothing to do with his pitching. He turned down an invitation to join the defending league champions. Jericho, decided to play on a different team, that team could take the championship away from them.

Maybe fire the league's administrators.
 Uptowner
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Posted: 8/26/2008 7:29:25 PM
I believe everyone is missing a very simple point: The issue came to a head when the other kids refusd to play against him.
Let's follow this through. So, he shows up, takes the mound, and the other team picks up their equipment and goes home, forfeiting the game.

Next game he shows up, takes the mound, and the other team picks up their equipment and goes home, forfeiting the game.

Next game -- he shows up, takes the mound, and the other team picks up their equipment and goes home, forfeiting the game.

Get it. You can't make the other kids play against him. For whatever reason, it doesn't matter. It takes two teams to play the game. If one team refuses to play then the game is a forfeit. So the choice is, have his team win every game with a forfeit and no body gets to play, or fashion another remedy to the problem.

I ran into a similar situation when my son played T-Ball. One of the team coaches taught his players dirty tactics. For instance, when a runner was on base and a ball was hit, he coached his team to push the runners to the ground because in all the chaos of a 7 year olds T-Ball game the umpire couldn't be watching everything all the time. Within a few games into the season the parents of the other teams no longer allowed their children to play against his team. After his team won three or four games by forfeit, with his team never getting to play a game, his team began to fall apart. His players quit. I'll admit, this is a cheating episode and the boy is doing nothing illegal. But the practical effect is the same. You cannot make the other kids play against him, and if the other children's parents hold fast, the same thing will happen to this boys team as happened to the tball team my son had to play against.

If this boy is allowed to contiue pitching in this league, how many of this boy's teammates will stay on the team if they figure out that everyone is going to forfeit against them and they will never get to play. You think maybe they will start looking for another team to play for?

Perhaps they need to find another solution, but it is clear to me this boy isn't going to get to pitch no matter what the league says because the parents of the other children aren't going to allow their children to bat against him. And keep this in mind. The children on the other teams only have to miss a game everytime it is their turn to play the good pitcher's team. His teamates have to miss every game.
 Ezzee
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Posted: 8/26/2008 7:33:19 PM

thhis kid is a freak of nature and is throwing the ball at them at 40MPH!


A freak? Seriously, you are going to call him a freak because he has developed into a very good pitcher?

I'm sorry, but this kid is no more of a freak then I am, or you are, or your year old daughter is, or my 10 year old daughter is. I think calling him a freak is a little unnecessary.

Also, it should be mentioned that the boy is not throwing the ball at the kids. He is pitching it to the kids.

So what is an acceptable speed then? Would 30 MPH be acceptable? or 20 MPH?

Also, I would ask if we are going to argue about how fast a pitch is allowed, then maybe we should debate how fast a ball can come off the bat to. Let's face it, a ball at ANY speed can do damage, and the fielders have a lot less protection then the batters do.

I still stand by my original point that these kids should step up their games. To me, it is pretty simple, if they can't deal with a 40 MPH pitch, then start working to deal with it. And if you don't want to start working at it, well, take your ball and go home.

Yes, that is exactly what I would tell my daughter too. And then I would take her out and work with heron it. If you want to get better, you have to practice at it. Just like reading, or being a decent human being. So lets work to get you better, and practice hitting.



Are you crying? Are you crying? THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL!!!
 The Minister of Dudeness
Joined: 6/11/2006
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Posted: 8/26/2008 7:51:15 PM
This story is just another small sign among so many others these days that signals the ongoing pussification of America and its future by the pussified P.C. crowd. And it’s no surprise that this nonsense is happening in Connecticut...
 Smuggler1
Joined: 8/7/2008
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Posted: 8/26/2008 8:50:40 PM

Kids need to be at a level that is at or near their skill, not 'in over their heads to make them step up' or 'below their skill so they can be the star'.

Would you teach your kid to swim by tossing them into the middle of the lake and walking away, would you take your olympic swimmer to a wading pool because 'it's a cake-walk win' or would you do it where they are challenged but not overwhelmed (your answer will truly determine your understanding of what it takes to effectively parent a child)?


Wow... No, so then taking him out of his peer group, and shoving him into a group with older boys who are going to ride his ass is a much better idea huh?? And you bunch of bleeding hearts dont think that would be damaging to him, because he is too good??
Are you Serious??

OR... maybe he sets the bar, and the rest of the kids suck it up and strive to meet the same expectations???

and like I said before... lets compare apples to apples... Im not going to take the bait. Suffice it to say, that because he is too good, and apparently the other children couldnt keep up, you are going to make that one individual suffer the shame of being torn from his peer group... Yeah, thats REALLY A GOOD IDEA... NOT...
 mungojoe
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Posted: 8/26/2008 9:14:19 PM
you are going to make that one individual suffer the shame of being torn from his peer group...

Seriously dude...

Do you honestly think a 9 yr old is going to "suffer shame" by being sent up to play with "the bigger boys" because of how good he is?
maybe he sets the bar, and the rest of the kids suck it up and strive to meet the same expectations???

Wow, is that what they teach in parenting/family life classes in high school around there? Just toss the kids in over their heads and tell them to "suck it up"? Certainly explains a lot.

Kids are not simply "little adults" who don't know as much yet, "suck it up" works when your dealing with scraped knees and stubbed toes, not teaching new skills and developing abilities.

and like I said before... lets compare apples to apples...

We are comparing "apples to apples". I'm talking about how you build skills and develop abilities in kids. The exact sport or skill you teach is not the issue, it's how you teach it that is the point. You seem to want to avoid that.
 Pyro74
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Posted: 8/27/2008 1:21:41 AM

We are comparing "apples to apples". I'm talking about how you build skills and develop abilities in kids. The exact sport or skill you teach is not the issue, it's how you teach it that is the point. You seem to want to avoid that.

Part of developing skills and abilities means facing your fears, and others, that are better than you in a particular sport. To think that you are somehow protecting them, by taking away that challenge, is, in my opinion, wrong. I believe that you are actually teaching them the wrong lesson here. Life is full of fast-balls. The sooner they learn how to deal with them, instead of avoiding them, the better. And I'm speaking as a parent.
 mungojoe
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Posted: 8/27/2008 2:15:55 AM
Part of developing skills and abilities means facing your fears, and others, that are better than you in a particular sport. To think that you are somehow protecting them, by taking away that challenge, is, in my opinion, wrong.

Of course they need to be challenged, I've mentioned that several times and have even pointed out how the pitcher is not being adequately challenged by not being played in his weaker positions (to build his less capable skills) and playing with only the skills that are already heads & shoulders above the others (with nobody able to hit his pitches he isn't challenged to further build and adapt that skill either). The point is to challenge them at a level that is consonant with their abilities rather than one which overwhelms them to the point that they give up before reaching it.

Kids who are challenged beyond what is reasonably reachable from their current abilities will give up. When that challenge is presented repeatedly at a level beyond their grasp they will refuse to even try.

That teams are starting to walk off the field and forfeiting games rather than play is a pretty good hint that the challenge is beyond their scope.
 Pyro74
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Posted: 8/27/2008 2:32:20 AM

That teams are starting to walk off the field and forfeiting games rather than play is a pretty good hint that the challenge is beyond their scope.

I think this has more to do with the "powers that be" in this league. I honestly think the coaches were told to forfeit if this kid was pitching, because of the politics involved with the other team that he chose not to play for and the sponsers.
 mungojoe
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Posted: 8/27/2008 3:28:42 AM

I think this has more to do with the "powers that be" in this league. I honestly think the coaches were told to forfeit if this kid was pitching, because of the politics involved with the other team that he chose not to play for and the sponsers.

Absolutely the adults are playing games with it. This has probably been festering all season and I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't already a history of back-biting between the coach that had the kid and the one that wanted him.

But I also think the coach (and the parent for their part) gave out all the ammunition that was needed with the way he was handling the kid. I wouldn't be surprised, knowing what happens when you mix kids, sports and parents, if there weren't also some complaints from within the team from the parents of kids who were capable pitchers but weren't getting any game time to build their skills.
 Smuggler1
Joined: 8/7/2008
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Posted: 8/27/2008 6:03:11 AM

Wow, is that what they teach in parenting/family life classes in high school around there? Just toss the kids in over their heads and tell them to "suck it up"? Certainly explains a lot.
Wow... LOL... Something about brains being cotton, and not having enough to make a tampon for a gnats ass... sound familiar??

Toss kids in over their heads... Well, you want to do that with this 9 year old, shoving him into another league with older boys. Of course, no one is asking, and no one will know how he is going to feel about it. I recognize the fact that being pushed into an arena with people you dont know, who are older than you, and may, for one reason or another not like you, simply because of your age, I know how THAT would make one feel a bit akward... Oh, but I suppose the feelings of this young man, for being too good for HIS PEER group, are not to be considered... Just the rest of the herd and how they cant measure up... got it. Good parenting up there huh???



Kids are not simply "little adults" who don't know as much yet, "suck it up" works when your dealing with scraped knees and stubbed toes, not teaching new skills and developing abilities.
Hmmm You're right... They are not "young adults" but teaching them that mommy and daddy will be there every time they cant win, or find out someone else is better than they are, isnt going to be much of a good life lesson either.
 Uptowner
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Posted: 8/27/2008 6:10:55 AM
"I honestly think the coaches were told to forfeit if this kid was pitching,"

Maybe not. In the incident involving my child it was the parents who decided to not let their children play. But it matters not how they reach that decision. Once the opposing teams reach agreement that they will not play his team, no one can make them play. So his team will go 20 and 0 and win all the games by forfeit, while the other teams get to play games except when it is their turn to forfeit. But the team with the good pitcher never gets to play. They trade their entire season, never getting to play, for an opportunity to pick up a trophy that shows them undefeated.

The point is this, and it seems no one wishes to grasp it -- you can let him pitch all you want -- but you can't make anyone go to the plate and bat. The night that it was my son's turn to play the cheating team we went to another park and played amongst our own team, then went to McDonald's for Happy Meals. Beat the hell out of watching your child get shoved down. And I imagine it would beat the hell out of watching as some kid whizzed fast balls by his head.

So send him to the mound. Let him pitch his little heart out. With no one at bat. I'll have my son at at another park, helping him develop his skills in an atmosphere in which I feel he is safe.
 NeapTide
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Posted: 8/27/2008 6:32:59 AM
Does he HAVE to pitch? If he has perfected the pitch to the point that he is way out of the division he is playing in, why not have him work on the skills he HASN'T perfected? I still think this is a case of the ADULTS - both FEMALE (amazing if a mom has an opinion here she's labeled a "soccer mom" or a "S-Mother-er") and MALE not showing these kids the importance of GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP. It sounds like ALL the ADULTS in this story had a chance to behave but decided to let their ugly side run amok.
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Posted: 8/27/2008 7:05:06 AM
The rest of the story........

“This is a fun league, and it really doesn’t have many rules,” said Chris Helland,

The kid is a ringer....

Today is his birthday 10

"Jericho Scott also plays for an all-star team in the Dom Aitro League in New Haven, where he is coach Mark Gambardella’s fourth-best pitcher

"But there is a foul smell when a team that is 4-0 with a full complement of players and suddenly adds two Dom Aitro all-stars in mid-year while other teams of modest ability, including at least one team with a short roster, are left to struggle."

"In his first day in the league, Aug. 9, a Saturday, Scott pitched five innings. The next day, he pitched three more innings. In the following game, Wednesday, Aug. 13, he pitched another five innings — "

"Several earwitnesses that day, Nicole Scott threatened to bring the league to its knees, using vulgar language within earshot of the players."

This is a life lesson for Jericho.



No one is winning this blame game
Dave Solmon, Register Sports Columnist
08/27/2008


NEW HAVEN — While the rest of the country has already determined that the satanic Liga Juvenil de Baseball of New Haven scores its double plays 6-6-6, we are here to remind all of those who want in on Jericho Scott’s 15 minutes of fame that there are two halves of every inning.

At its worst, the Liga Juvenil de Baseball (LJB) is a league that can’t get its story straight, that can’t figure out who and what it is, and a league that doesn’t fully understand the perception that has prompted Robin Roberts, Jay Leno, Ellen DeGeneres, Jimmy Kimmel, Mitch Albom and so many other to seize on New Haven’s inhumanity to man.

But it is not a league that fails to care deeply about its children and its community — and a league that stands together today because of those facts, even while the rest of the free world is reviled by the notion that little Jericho — age 10, today, and happy birthday, by the way — has been denied his inalienable rights to pitch under the Bill of Rights.

We feel his pain, not because the LJB is a villainous gang, but because lawyers and politics and little league parents have turned his life upside down.

Jericho Scott also plays for an all-star team in the Dom Aitro League in New Haven, where he is coach Mark Gambardella’s fourth-best pitcher and only recently installed as the regular second baseman. We should all be sad when Gambardella says that “the kid is a wreck” over all the attention and the associated guilt trip of a 9-year-old who thinks he has done something wrong.

Conversely, we’re guessing that Nicole and Leroy Scott, the parents of the young man, are on a thrill ride, judging by the comments made by Nicole Scott when a league team threatened to pull its team off the field if Jericho pitched in a game on Aug. 20. According to several earwitnesses that day, Nicole Scott threatened to bring the league to its knees, using vulgar language within earshot of the players.

Like most around the country upon hearing of Jericho Scott’s plight, I was appalled that this kid was being harassed, indirectly as it may be, by league administrators and parents. What do you mean he’s a menace to the batters? Everyone agrees he throws hard and straight. Moreover, I talked to no less than four kids who have faced Jericho Scott without fear in the Dom Aitro League, and at least a couple of them profess to have hits off of him.

But there is a foul smell when a team that is 4-0 with a full complement of players and suddenly adds two Dom Aitro all-stars in mid-year while other teams of modest ability, including at least one team with a short roster, are left to struggle.

“This is a fun league, and it really doesn’t have many rules,” said Chris Helland, whose daughter, Danajah, and nephew, Frankie Scalo, both 10, play for J&I Luncheonette. ”I’ve been with this league from the start, and whenever they have a discussion (over some league issue), they get together and agree on rules. That’s how we decided upon the pitching (total pitches). Otherwise you’d have the same kid pitch every game.”

And here’s where the whole affair takes another sordid turn. Some people in the league bemoan the fact that Jericho has pitched more than is reasonably necessary. In his first day in the league, Aug. 9, a Saturday, Scott pitched five innings. The next day, he pitched three more innings. In the following game, Wednesday, Aug. 13, he pitched another five innings — after which the league was ready to disband Will Power Fitness, unless it gave assurances the Scott wouldn’t pitch any longer.

Understand that this is not your Williamsport-styled little league. It is not affiliated with the official brand and it is best called a developmental league. So when little Jericho and his fastball turned up in mid-season to blow 40 mile per hour smoke past uncertain newbie batters game after game, there were raised eyebrows throughout the league.

Tuesday, in response to threats of a suit from an angry Nicole Scott, the LJB held a disjointed press conference at Criscuolo Field. Attorney Peter Noble, the league’s advisor, hemmed and hawed his way through real questions and kept getting back to the fact that league parents were in fear for the eyes, ears, and noses of their precious kids.

Yet there are a couple others in the league who throw almost as hard with less control. No one is demanding that they turn in their pitching spikes. Moreover, Carlito’s Barber Shop, the team that finished first the previous two seasons, actively pursued Jericho Scott for their team prior to the season.

So is this whole Jericho Scott story a political backlash at Will Power Fitness, to some, an increasingly renegade team in a league where the emphasis of many is on the most elemental teaching aspects of the game? Therein lies the inherent inconsistencies of the LJB because in one breath, the league purports to be all about “Community and Family” (the words on the T-shirts that were distributed to parents for press conference purposes Tuesday). Yet, if it truly wants to be a developmental league, don’t keep score and don’t crown champions. You either play to win or you play only for fun.

One interested observer to the dysfunctional attempt at the press conference was Wayne Morrison, coach of the 9-10 all-star team in the affiliated Pop Smith Little League in New Haven. He came here thinking, from everything that he’d heard the past couple of days, that a gross injustice was being perpetrated upon Jericho Scott and Will Power Fitness.

“I’ve never heard of anything like this ... it was unbelievable ... a kid kind of being denied a chance to play because he’s too good,” Morrison said. “Our first reaction was, Wayne, go over there, find the kid and bring him over to Pop Smith. We’ll welcome him with open arms. It kind of took me for a loop. And then I came out here and I was talking to some of the people who are involved in this and my understanding is that this team was beating other teams (by lopsided scores), and they were trying to kind of balance things.

“The more information I get, the more I understand. You’re talking about 9- and 10-year-old kids here. Is the main thing winning? Sometimes it’s not. I’m just amazed how they let him on this team. I would question that. If a team is 6-0 and you put two all-star kids on it, are you balancing things out? So I’m kind of confused at what the issue is here.”

Around the country, it’s pretty black and white. The LJB of New Haven is being picked over by the pundits and talk show celebrities who have their cause celebre of the moment. But the Liga Juvenil de Baseball of New Haven will survive the ridicule another day, and other year, because enough good people in the community have their hearts in the right place. Jericho Scott, sadly, is caught in the crossfire of a situation that should have been handled with reason instead of threats.





 gentalltheway
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Posted: 8/27/2008 7:48:29 AM

Does he HAVE to pitch? If he has perfected the pitch to the point that he is way out of the division he is playing in, why not have him work on the skills he HASN'T perfected?


Let’s see here...YES YES YES! Clear enough? That would be like saying that when Tiger Woods was a child, he should’ve tried other sports as he “perfected his skills” at golf. Or Saying to Wayne Gretzky (that would be a hockey player) when he was seen as the best even at a very young age, that he should be a goalie instead of a center player. Absolutely ridiculous!!!


Tuesday, in response to threats of a suit from an angry Nicole Scott, the LJB held a disjointed press conference at Criscuolo Field. Attorney Peter Noble, the league’s advisor, hemmed and hawed his way through real questions and kept getting back to the fact that league parents were in fear for the eyes, ears, and noses of their precious kids.

Yet there are a couple others in the league who throw almost as hard with less control. No one is demanding that they turn in their pitching spikes.


So therefore, the parents who are involved by saying that they fear for their kids are liars and aholes…BIG TIME! It’s not that they fear for their kids, it’s because their kids can’t friggin win! They don’t mind having their kids being hit by another pitcher with the same ball velocity as they are NOT talking about the other pitchers with similar speed but with obviously less talent.…Just the one who just happens to strike them all out!

May God forgive me for posting something from FOX...


Have YOU ever protested over a 9-year old pitcher?
Aug 26, 2008 | 8:45AM |

This question I have posed does seem a little extreme. What reason would you have to be against some 9-year old kid pitching against 8-10-year old kids?

Well, in New Haven Connecticut parents and their kids protested over a young boy named Jericho Scott. Scott is/was a right-handed pitcher who threw about 40 mph and has been so good in the New Haven Youth Baseball League that opposing players and parents urged league officials to ban him from pitching. To add to this story, Scott apparently has pinpoint control and has yet to hit any player in the league this season.

Back on point, are we kidding? You ask the league to stop a great pitcher from pitching? That would be like every country protesting that Michael Phelps shouldn't be allowed to swim because he's too good. Not only is this league wrong for preventing Scott from pitching, they have violated his rights. His parents paid for him to play in this league and he deserves the opportunity to pitch, hit, play the field and more importantly, play baseball.

For those people who opposed Scott from pitching in this league should not only be ashamed of themselves but they are what's wrong with sports.

This is far worse than showing up a player on the field or breaking an unwritten rule, these people have done what they could to break the spirit of a 9-year old boy who loves to pitch. Are you proud of yourselves? Have you accomplished something positive? No, you have brought unnecessary attention to yourselves for all the wrong reasons. This boy should have been given proper respect for his good play, and instead I have to read about how parents and a Youth Baseball League have ripped this kid's heart out. Great work people! Are you going to make the best hitter in the league swing with wood while the rest hit with aluminum bats?

Why don't we punish the kids who get straight A's in school because they are simply too smart in class.

Why don't we punish the salesperson who has 100 clients and makes $100, 000 from each of them because he's simply too good for his company.

In fact let's punish Tiger Woods when he gets back from injury because he should let other golfers win major championships.

This is one of the worst stories to hear when you have lived, breathed and sweat baseball for nearly 20 years. These people should appreciate what Jericho Scott does on the mound and hope that he succeeds later on in life. To take something away from him because of something he didn't do is one of the worst things you can do to a child. Heinous actually.

These are the same people who are allowed to have kids and teach them terrible life lessons like this story. These are also the same people who formulate terrible opinions about sports and are allow to vote in presidential elections. It is scary to think about how responsible parents like these are to a country, let alone their own family. It also paints a terrible picture of how their kids will perceive this situation and feel this is right. It isn't right. It is wrong in the worst way.

Developmental league or not, Jericho Scott's love for pitching was taken away because he happened to develop faster than other kids. Instead of the league being proud of that, they have taken a step backward as to say, "we don't want THAT kind of development". That is a slap in the face to him, his family, his team and his coaches. Shame on you.

Jericho's mother Nicole will meet with a lawyer, and that's the right play. Don't allow shallow, self-centered and naive parents to allow control over your son. And lots of people would have blown their top over this, myself included (probably), if I found out a league banned my son or daughter from pitching because they are too good. What should also be pointed out is he turned down playing for the defending champions of the league who happens to be sponsored by an employer of one of the league's administrators. Does someone have an AXE to grind on this kid? Or do they really want to repeat this year and banning Scott is the way to go.

This is a sad story for kids who participate in sports. But I'm not sure what's worse; pushing for Scott to never pitch in the league or going to bed at night thinking what you did was right.

I hate that we had to learn about a dominant 9-year old pitcher this way. Jericho Scott has earned and deserved better than this


I stole this one from another site…

no wonder America's children and teens are so soft these days. Why not take the challenge and try and hit the kids stuff?? Nooo, the other team packs it in and runs off afraid like a bunch of wusses. That's absurd. Only as far back as the 70's, not long ago, the best played, prospered and moved on to higher leagues. Today, with all the political correctness going on, kids hit off tee's, they play for more than 3 outs an inning, everyone gets a chance to hit the same and everyone feels oooh soo good after the game. It doesn't help you develop. That does not help you become a strong young man when you face no adversity. It has to be a woman who came up with this stuff. "Ohh I don't want my Jimmy getting hurt". America is soft and getting softer. Young boys are being raised predominantly by their moms with little to no adult male interjection and increasingly having female values instilled. It's called the Pussification of America. Young men are wimps these days and wanna cry wah wah wah, like a girl, when things don't go their way. When you don't experience problems you can't adjust to them and take them on either. Jeeez, what about the brainiac kid that wins all the scholarships and comes in #1 and takes up time away from the teacher while the other kids that aren't as gifted don't do as well? What happens? Nothing. This kid who has exceptional arm strength was made to feel like an outcast or worse yet, a freak. He outta take the ball and bean one of the league geniuses that banned him. Totally absured.
 jack-d-ripper
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Posted: 8/27/2008 8:06:26 AM
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I am glad you support the right of Nicole Scott to take legal action.

Bring the league to their knees......
I bet it bankrupts the League.....

Thats what youth sports is all about... Winning.

Everyone should watch her son pitch.........

How many 8 year old kids have to watch Jericho pitch every inning?
 CherylCake
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Posted: 8/27/2008 8:29:24 AM
Jericho needs a big league mentor, and to be taken away & groomed. Get him away from those small town minds. I agree with what was mentioned before, to make sure the kid doesn't burn his arm out before he can hit the big time. How do ya think Magic Johnson's playmates felt watching the guy catching air like a kangaroo? Or Tiger Woods? Gosh, even I'M sick of seeing him, but, hey, the greats are always shoved down our throats to ad nauseum. That's just how we do.
 Uptowner
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Posted: 8/27/2008 8:37:58 AM
Simple solution. Everyone who does not wish to play against this pitcher can quit.
He can pitch to whoever is left.

The kids who quit can get themselves some balls and bats, find an empty field, and play baseball the way they wish to enjoy it. And if Scott shows up, tell him he's not welcome.

Problem solved.
 teeajay
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Posted: 8/27/2008 9:07:50 AM
So the kid is a sports prodigy, so what? Let him stay where he is and be the star and standout. Okay, maybe moving him to another, more advanced league, where he might actually become a better pitcher for being challenged might be a character-building experience for him. But why deprive the kid of his chance to be a star and feel superior to everyone else. And who cares about personal growth and learning humility anyway?

And all those nervous nelly's concerned about safety.. I mean really you should all lighten up. Isn't facing a speeding projectile a character-building experience, as well? Why would you deprive all those other kids the exhilaration of a hematoma? C'mon. I think you're all overreacting.

I mean just because there was a study that concluded 13 kids ages 5-12 died from injuries sustained playing little league ball, (University North Carolina study) that figure covered a 10 year period (1987-1996), and so 13 out of millions is not that bad a statistic as fatalities go. So where's the tragedy anyway?
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Posted: 8/27/2008 9:33:22 AM

I am glad you support the right of Nicole Scott to take legal action.


She paid to have her son playing in this league. If the league administrators are too damn stupid to admit their fault, that’s all they deserve as far as I am concern.


Bring the league to their knees......
I bet it bankrupts the League


And who should be blame if it happens? The league or the kid who seem to put the ball in the strike zone fairly accurately?


Thats what youth sports is all about... Winning


Hmmm...what else is there? Kids play sports to win. I never EVER saw a bunch of kids losing a game and be happy about it. Have you? They are dissapointed and they deal with it. That’s when parents should teach good sportsmanship by telling the kids to congratulate the other team and pass along the message that it will not be as easy the next time. Suck it up, practice and the kids will do better the next time. If they like the sport, it will come automatically. If they don’t, then they should quit and try something else. Whining because they can’t win is bullshit!

The same goes for board games. Have you ever seen kids who wants to play to lose? I sure as hell never did.


Everyone should watch her son pitch


Well, that’s part of the problem.
There's plenty of sites with recommendations on how many pitches a 9 year old should take during a game and per week. Seems like all agree for 50 pitches. Now, if the kid strikes everyone out in 3 pitches, it would mean that he should be replaced half way through the game. Personally, I seriously doubt that he’s that good so let’s say for the sake of argument that he averages 4 to 5 pitches per kid but still have no one on bases (3 outs), it means that the kid should be replaced after 3.5 innings which means at least 3 pitchers per team. Sounds fair to me. What do you think?

Who’s to blame? Coaches, the league and quite often the parents. All the league has to do is to enforce the recommendations and the problem will be solved. Kids will have the challenge to try to hit the pitches from the better pitcher for 3 to 4 innings than have better chances with not so accurate ones which of course means that they will get hit here and there but hey, all will be happy.


Simple solution. Everyone who does not wish to play against this pitcher can quit.


There you go! Teach them how to whine and quit. Amazing!
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