No christian is denouncing science - ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

I could easily go on for 1000 pages as to why evolution is a ludicrously wrong belief system - which it is. It is a false religion that is founded upon pseudo-science.

When one views a pencil lying upon a table, one KNOWS that both the pencil and the table had to have been created, correct? If someone were to postulate that the pencil or table could possibly "self-form", you would doubt their sanity, would you not? And yet countless many are duped into "believing" that something as complex as life and as orderly and beautiful as the universe could have self-formed over time. What a joke. Hitler's minister of propaganda was right: if you want a lie to be believed, tell a WHOPPER (paraphrased him).

Moreover, there is a scientific principle known as "entropy" which correctly observes that any system that is not acted upon by an organizing force will decay from order to disorder. (A crude analogy would be your home: stop dusting and washing it and it will soon enough decay into a filthy mess, right?) Yet evolution tells us that the opposite of entropy has occurred, as the elements themselves have conspired to organize themselves from the randomness of the beginning to the beauty and order of today. Another WHOPPER.

Which brings us to the crux of the matter: evolution has been presented as "good science" while creationism has been presented as "religion". Actually, the OPPOSITES are truer. Evolution is a religion, while creationism will always be borne out by science (not referring to the pseudo-science that the media normally trumpet). Think of it: the evolutionist believes that the elements themselves and some mystical force known as "natural selection" have conspired to create and continually and ingeniously refine life. In essence, the Evolutionist Belief System is one that has Deified the elements, imbuing them with the power to create life. Another WHOPPER. They can spew forth pseudo-science and jargon until they are blue in the face but it won't change the fact that they have a religion of ELEMENT-WORSHIP.

Maybe you've misconstrued the critic's of science.

Maybe you should pay some equal time to those who are atheist's and are truly ignorant of the nature of the world but yet are not open to all possibilities including creationism. If they realized the complexity of it all perhaps they won't be so hasty in embracing the limitations of science. Maybe they'll start to really pay attention to greater men who knew better;

If I were to place my complete faith in creationism, when there is not 1, and I repeat, not 1 single shred of direct evidence of this, ...

Nobody has expressed any negativity towards theism.

The only thing that makes people angry is misrepresentation and lies regarding science.

Nobody is disrespecting your or anyone's belief in God.

I, and others, are repeatedly called 'idiot(s)', 'fool(s)', 'stupid', 'liar(s)',

negative and attacking words against even those with a belief or beliefs in any kind of supreme being

Further, for Biblical Evidences and Validation, Read these 2 books First if needs be:

1) "Evidence That Demands a Verdict"

2) "More Evidence That Demands a Verdict"

Both by 'Josh McDowell'

I'm familiar with these books. McDowell's been throroughly debunked. And please spare me the Liar, Lord, Lunatic trilemma. This is not credible evidence.

Debunked..rrrrright..by who exactly?

No references to support your claim?

Feral- this is funny. I just responded on a thread about this very issue. Look for it; it mentions naturalism in the title. This is a common misconception- the confusion of ontological naturalism with methodological materialism. I went into some depth, so I don't want to repeat myself here.

Sooo, I guess you ignored these sites below, and countless others which can be found online?

Oh but, that's right, we must not DARE mentioned any kind of 'supreme being' in here, right?

Further, for Biblical Evidences and Validation, Read these 2 books First if needs be...

Nobody has expressed any negativity towards theism. You can mention a supreme being all you like.

... several others have been on a nonstop attack, and 'also' employ very negative and attacking words against even those with a belief or beliefs in any kind of supreme being at times...

As most all know now, even wikipedia and talk.origins are now to be shown as flawed as any valid reference material, because of the increasing number of lies, slander, misinformation, etc, found within their respective pages.

When I, and others, are repeatedly called 'idiot(s)', 'fool(s)', 'stupid', 'liar(s)'...

The two go hand in hand....read the books to see the FACTS of the Bible, then you will perhaps better understand where the sites stand on their factual belief systems.

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The two go hand in hand....read the books to see the FACTS of the Bible, then you will perhaps better understand where the sites stand on their factual belief systems.

Q: Why are kangaroos found only in Australia?

A: This may surprise lots of people, but that's not the case.

It's interesting: at our Answers in Genesis seminars, we ask our audience:

How many of you believe kangaroos once lived in the Middle East? No one puts up their hands. Then we ask: How many believe that Noah's Flood was a real event? All hands go up.

How many believe that Noah's Ark was a real boat? Yes, they agree to that, too. How many believe that two of every kind of land animal, including kangaroos, went on the Ark? Yes, they accept that.

Then we ask: How many people believe that the Ark landed in the Middle East? Up go the hands. How many people now believe that kangaroos came off the Ark after the Flood? They start to chuckle as they put their hands up.

Then we say, how many believe kangaroos once lived in the Middle East? All the hands now go up.

You see, when we think from a Biblical perspective, we know that all land animals must've once lived in the Middle East.

Rex Geissler has spoken with 24 alleged eyewitnesses. Many eyewitnesses are W.W. II and Military veterans. Eyewitness do not know each other.

You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them." Noah did everything just as God commanded him…and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.

then get back to us.

Science is METHOD!!!! Any knowledge that science claims is as a result of the strict method that the discipline employs!

You say:
"We who believe in creation are not all creationists and we have our Faith in God that according to the Bible is a gift and not from ourselves (Eph. 2:8-9)"

Don't suppose you want to explain this a bit. I am confused as to how someone can believe in creation, have faith in God, and not be a creationist...

You also say;
"Those that are evolutionists have their imagination or you may call it Faith too that something else happened other than what the Bible depicts."

No, READ the thread. Science is not based no faith, or the product of someone's imagination. It is based on METHOD. Science is based on observable / testible / verifiable evidence, and will not make claims of fact without first having subject that claim to the rigors of its method.

Faith on the other hand is asking you to believe in what cannot be seen, touched, or observed in any meaningful way. That is why science does not concern itself with proving / disproving the existence of God, because there is just no way to test for him / her / it.

Science is not in competition with Religion; is that difficult to grasp. Science is not concerned with religion in the least, but it would seem that Religion views science a bit differently.

The principles and empirical processes of discovery and demonstration considered characteristic of or necessary for scientific investigation, generally involving the observation of phenomena, the formulation of a hypothesis concerning the phenomena, experimentation to demonstrate the truth or falseness of the hypothesis, and a conclusion that validates or modifies the hypothesis.