| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 11:08:42 AM | | The finite speed of light is a "horison" which can't be crossed, hence the term "horizon problem". Evolutionists have a horison problem with big bang. Even when the CMB (cosmic microwave background( radiation)) was emmited, supposedly 300000 years after big bang, it already had a uniform temperature over a range at least ten times larger than this horizon. | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 11:19:06 AM | | Another problem Evolutionists have is the missing antimatter. Antimatter.was first predicted by English physicist Paul Dirac who conceived of it in terms of a negative energy hole. When a subatomic particle meets its corresponding anti particle they annihilate each other with a huge release of energy, again per E=mc to the power of 2. whenever matter is generated from energy, there is always an equal quantity of antimatter produced. This follows from very well-attested physical law about conservation of elementary particles. But our universe is almost entirely matter. Where is the antimatter? Ordinary particles are assigned the value of +1, and anti particles the value of -1 and the sum has never been observed to change. So if there is no matter to start with, and energy is converted to matter, the number of plussed must always balance the number of minuses | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 11:19:38 AM | I think, in some parts of this discussion, the debate is semantic. There are several meanings of that word, and I think if we tease apart different meanings, that might help facilitate discussion.
These include:
Change over time (sequence of events..)
Change in allele frequency
Mechanisms that produce change (mutation, selection, etc)
Common ancestry (ideas that all life came from a common ancestor or that groups share common ancestors)
And the list goes on... You wouldn't need to accept all of those to accept that evolution occurs...
For example, from a genetic point of view, evolution is in action (and can be observed right now: like the peppered moth example.) You wouldn't need to believe in the big bang theory to observe genetic evolution happening. | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 11:25:36 AM | | how would anyone think that the universe is made up of mostly matter? what about all that SPACE? | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 11:32:25 AM | | I didn't finish my post yet. computer problem again. Anyway, evolutionists proposed the existence of a particle called Higgs boson (a boson is an elementary particle with integral spin quantum number. the opposite is fermion, with half integral spin), sometimes pretentiously called "The God particle". | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 11:35:52 AM | | however these theories also predict that proton would be unstable and decay into pion+ positron. The best estimate for the mass of the Higgs boson leads to a proton life span of only 50000 years. But experiments confirmed the life span of proton is 5times10 to the power of 32 years. This is billion billion times greater than the assumed evolutionary age of the universe | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 11:37:06 AM | | k, sorry, but i believe in evolution and have no clue what you're talking about. of course, when you say "evolutionists" maybe there's a certain sect of people that have common beliefs that fit into this category and call themselves this, but i dont know. all i know is that a lot of organisms (including people) change over years and generations. to me, thats evolution | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 11:39:22 AM | "Shema Israel Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Ehod"
or Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad Hear Oh Israel, The Lord our God, The Lord is one. (Deuteronomy?) 
But then, you may wish to translate Echad as 'one and everything' - always that damned interpretation thing!
It was my scripture teacher who used to say 'empty vessels make most sound'. | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 11:43:15 AM | | Also there is no need for billions and billions of years. Using radiometric dating methods requires lots of assumptions. Scientists assume that in the beginning there were only parent elements (like K, Rb, Pb for example) but no daughter elements (like Ar v 36Ar/40Ar or Pb v 207Pb/204Pb). then they presume that the decay rate was always constant. But there is a way to produce an accelerated decay | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 11:49:51 AM | | alpha decay rates are extremely sensitive to the nuclear potential energy well. If the strong nuclear force was weakened (greatly speeding up alpha decay) the nucleus would increase in size and restructure itself. The lower the decay constant (that is, the higher the half life), the more the decay rate would be accelerated. The restructuring would also speed up beta decay and electorn capture. So it does not take billions and billions of years | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 11:53:25 AM | | Evolutionists presume in the beginning was only hydrogen. Hydrogen isotopes create helium. But helium is an inert gas. It does not form anything. Then we would have been stuck with helium and nothing else. | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 11:56:13 AM | | Ehod meand one. God is Echod (One). Echod is plural which meand one person who is plural. Light for example has a plural nature. It is both particles and waves. | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 12:02:37 PM | | Now about DNA. DNA stores information. But what is information and can it appear by chance? Information about information: information is not thing itself, neither is it a condition, but it is an abstract representation of material realities or conseptual relationships, like problem formulations, ideas, programs(including genetic programs) or algorithms. The representation is in a sutable coding system | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 12:07:50 PM | | and the realities could be objects, or physical, chemical or biological conditions. The reality being represented, is usually not present at the time and place of the transfer of information, neither can it be observed or measured at the moment. Information requires material medium for storage. DNA stores information but DNA is not that information. Like CD rom contains the program on it but CD rom is not that program. You can touch CD rom but you cannot touch the program. The program is like the soul | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 12:12:16 PM | | i think we all come from something else, and i think every living thing on the planet is linked to every other living thing on the planet, but something had to get us here in the first place...that is where devine intervention is. | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 12:13:46 PM | | If someone writes some information with chalk on a blackbord, the chalk is the material carrier. If it is wiped off, the total quantity of chalk is there but the information has vanished. In this case the chalk was the suitable material medium, but the essential aspect was the actual arrangement of the particles of the chalk. And it was not random. The same information that was written on a blackboard could have been written on paper. Then ink was the medium. | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 12:17:55 PM | | Information can be stored in physical media (DNA) and used to steer, control and optimize material prosses. All created systems oroginate through information. A creative source of information is always linked to the volitional intend of the person; this fact demonstrates the non material nature of information. No matter, literally. Soul is not matter. Spirit in not matter. God is Spirit | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 12:29:53 PM | | Information comes form God. God also creates a medium (DNA) that carries this information. when living things reproduce they transmit information from one generation to the next according to their kind (dogs always will have baby dogs and they will never become anything other than dogs which breeders have proven). this information, travelling on DNA from mother and from father, is the "instruction manual" which enables the machinery in a fertilized egg cell to construct from the raw materials (which are already available, they do not appear out of a thin air) the new organism | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 12:35:18 PM | | the coded information used in the construction of living things is transfered from pre existing messages (programs), which are themselves transmitted from pre existing programs. During this transfer the fate of information follows the dictates of message/information theory and common sense. This information either stays the same or decreases | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 12:37:56 PM | | it is like when you photocopy the book. The copy has the same information as the original. sometimes the copy is bad. But never copy is better than the original. DNA copies itself. The same situation as with the book I mentioned happens. that's why evolution is not happening. Everything goes downhill, not uphill | |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 12:44:35 PM | There is much more. I can write quantum stuff, nebular formation, probability theory, radiometric stuff, biochemical stuff etc etc etc. i do have to go now but I will be back.   | |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 1:12:23 PM | Wow that was nice. Your pretty smart but you are just as well to talk in arabiac. Because I don't unserstand either one.
God bless and take care,
Jimmy | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 2:02:30 PM | Alyssa, you're trolling - check out the forum rules before you continue in your present ways.
It doesn't look very smart to me - full of misrepresentations and errors. This isn't a discussion any more. Its verbal diarrhea which i mostly didn't care to read.
Even your 'Ecod comments seems nonsense - you quoted Echod. Which is it? Maybe you should have sited your source because both the Shema and Deuteronomy seem to say 'Echad'. Is this representative of the accuracy of all of your posts and the veracity of all of your so-called experts and self-proclaimed expertise? | |
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| Creation vs Evolution
Posted: 9/30/2005 2:04:42 PM | Alyssa, Do you dispute what I wrote in the last few posts about speciation? With the bird example of adaptive radiation, for example? This can be seen in many species. If you dispute that, why? Take Hawaiian honeycreepers. Do you believe all the species of Hawaiian honeycreepers were created as they are and have around since the 'beginning of time?' Do you believe that all the Hawaiian honeycreeper species have a common ancestor lineage and speciated after? It sounds like you are debating about the age of the universe. I'm talking about evolution and speciation. I'd like to understand your argument.
Also, it is not clear to me what you mean by things going downhill... (evolution is change through time, not better or worse, just different) | |
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