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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/29/2008 11:58:49 AM | | I'm with you ldynblk. The warnings are out there, turn on a tv for goodness sake. Dont wait for the govt to tell you what to do, just do it. They could have made it to higher ground in time. But noooooo; and sooner or later, the Houston area will get hit, we've been really really lucky. I live in Katy so chances are, we'll get wind and rain but nothing like it could hit Galveston area or Corpus like Edouard did. But still Texas came out of that one okay. Poor Florida, they've had more than their share of torrential storms these past few years. Maybe Florida should just move to another locale, like maybe next to Iowa. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/29/2008 12:24:05 PM | aug 29th 2pm report GUSTAV IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 11 MPH...19 KM/HR. A NORTHWESTWARD MOTION IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN TODAY AND TO CONTINUE ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. ON THIS TRACK...THE CENTER OF GUSTAV WILL PASS NEAR OR OVER THE CAYMAN ISLANDS LATER TODAY...OVER THE WESTERN PORTIONS OF CUBA ON SATURDAY...AND INTO THE SOUTHERN GULF OF MEXICO ON SUNDAY.
No rush ~~ and you say they evacuation new orlean now? ~ Fore warned is fore armed
she's not that big ~ yet ~ once she hit the warn gulf she'll grow. ~ It's too early to know much ~ except it's coming | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/29/2008 1:05:24 PM |
WhosDrunk.....as far as I know, the crime rate in Houston skyrocketed when the New Orleans overflow moved in. The majority of people this city housed, fed and doctored for a year, without cost to them I might add, as well as Fema who gave them apartments, furniture, clothing and education, were pretty much the lower class, riff-raff of Burbon Street. And how do they repay us? By stealing, injuring and killing Houstonians, as well as their own.
Sorry, ldynblk, that seems to be the direct opposite that I got for info searching both google and dogpile. I haven't figure out the link thing yet. Sorry. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/29/2008 9:07:11 PM | i like you have a dike and apeenuttt sales person telling gulf coasters what they should have done to get ready for the storm if you dont have anything good to say about my fellow louisianas they should just wait there will be a day they regret hopefully soon maybe the flood waters will take them  | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/29/2008 9:29:10 PM | As for people w/o transporation.......unless they are disabled and can't walk, using one's feet to escape has long been the choice of many, from caveman to astronauts!
This is true, I lived on the beach for ten years, as always they start trying to get residents to leave before the storm hits. News and state and local give phone numbers to residents that have no transportation.
Anyway I hope all takes care. I wish all the best. Use your head and safe your life. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/29/2008 9:48:26 PM | Its like some of y'all are ignoring what I'm writing.
We are hoping that New Orleans is better prepared for Gustav. They aren't planning to wait until the last minute to issue a mandatory evacuation. Vehicles are being made available for those without cars for their own.
AGAIN, this was not the case with Katrina. Schools buses were left to drown. People who attempted to cross bridges were met by armed men trying to protect their neighborhoods (racism is sadly not dead in Louisiana). Before Katrina, before learning that our defensives were inadequate, I never would have imagined abandoning my home on foot. It would have seemed safer to stay where there was shelter. To get from Uptown New Orleans to the Northshore is almost an hour drive with 95% of that drive being interstate. Walking that distance on foot?? With food and medical supplies??
Regarding Gustav, there was an article in our local paper where some of the grocery stores reported smaller than usual sales which seems to hint at more people evacuating as opposed to boarding themselves in. And I spent almost my entire day at the bookstore selling maps and road atlases.
I'll probably decide whether to evacuate or not, Saturday night. We should have more information about counterflow and other plans in the parish by then. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/30/2008 6:07:31 AM | Spot on! Katrina was definitely a catalyst towards something, I'm just not entirely sure the pendulum has not swung into the completely opposite side of the clock! Whereas our reaction (our being defined herein as all Louisianians: public and governing) was more of a been there, done that, attitude, for Katrina; our reaction of late is more reminiscent of that of panic than of true preparation. Let us remember that panic has cost us just as many lives as indifference! Ok, ok, I know indifference may not be ENTIRELY the proper word, because I am NOT saying that no one cared. What I am saying is that in my 22 year existence, all of which has been spent within 100 miles of the coast, I've weathered what was supposed to be the "storm[s] of the century." Its been nothing but one false alarm after another. To go back to a basic lesson we all learned as a child: the boy who cried wolf teaches us that humans are subject to build up an immunity to danger if false threat after false threat is introduced! However, I do believe that, for that fateful ten percent of us who are intelligent enough to temper our fear with knowledge, understanding, and patience, we are better prepared. What truely worries me is the complacency of the army corps of engineers and our governing body as a whole, mere months after katrina. Our levees have not been upgraded, but only patched. Our drainage is still as vulnerable as it has been since BETSY!!! S. Bernard parish (my home parish) has once again found itself at the mercy of the demon child of the Army Corps bowels of "thought:" MRGO. But, of course, MRGO is a WHOLE different can 'o worms. Please people! Be safe, be of one mind, and trust in your fellow man. Unity is the only true path out of adversity! If any of you read this and are in need of aid or reassurance, please email me at kevin.cefalu@gmail.com.
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/30/2008 9:36:26 AM |
And once more, had the levees held, seems to me, Souzou, that most people forget that. The massive destruction was caused by the governments refusal (or corruption) to create protections that were adequate. The Netherlands have been able to do it. I don't understand why this nation can't seem to do it. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/30/2008 4:22:49 PM | d lilly... if you can't figure how to do the quote box, could you at least, please, put regular quotes around what you are quoting from another's post? thanks. It is a bit confusing otherwise!
In my opinion, those that make the choice to live right in a "hurricane zone" ... why do they think it is the govt's job to keep them safe or resuce them? I don't get it? (Althought, I do understand they thought the levies would hold.. they trusted in how they were built).
I don't know... when I see an area continually get hit by serious weather.. serious ANYTHING.. I can't help but wonder why continue to live there.
I hope everyone does listen when told to "get out". I hope for safety for all. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/30/2008 4:50:01 PM | It just seems the more things change the more they stay the same..................I realize that people consider New Orleans their home and it is rich in history, but I dont know that I could live year after year dreading hurricane season.
My Church and 3 other local church have been to the Katrina hit areas 17 times since Katrina. 14 times to help tear down and rebuild and 3 times to caravan trucks with supplies. I pray that it is not all in vain. Many of our people came home sick from the mold in the homes. It is a scary and devastating thing to even think about it happening again.
I wish you all the best........Leave as soon as you think its necessary.......
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/30/2008 6:45:00 PM | I'm going with my family to Georgia in the morning. We're in a flood zone so I spent the day putting all on my books on the highest shelves and piling everything on top of my bed.
Already the highways are full of evacuees and contraflow starts in the morning. I'm amazed at how many tourists are throwing a fit about having to leave.
Regarding the "hurricane zone" comments...there aren't many safe places in this country. The same could be said for California and its earthquakes and yearly wildfires. Floridians and their yearly hurricanes. Or people who live in tornado alley. Or those living in the northern floods plains. Or the northern cities blasted by blizzards every winter. Why would anyone live in Washington, Detroit , St. Louis with the crime rate? With school shootings, its amazing that anyone would venture into a high school or onto a college campus these days. And how many people are killed in vehicular accidents everyday?
No where is safe. People love New Orleans enough that we accept hurricane season as a minor convenience. Not to mention, as a port city, New Orleans is incredibly important to the economic success of the whole country. I am just one of countless people who is in New Orleans because an oil company has transferred a worker and his/her family.
I can't begin to expound upon its cultural importance because, if you haven't lived here, you may never understand. I wasn't happy at all when I moved here but I have grown to know the city and I love it. If all you've ever seen in Bourbon St. and topless tourists at Mardi Gras, you can't understand.
I'm sad to leave and I'll be happy when we're able to come back. Hopefully with minor damage. *fingers crossed*
Best wishes to everyone as Gustav heads over the Gulf! Stay safe and dry! | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/30/2008 8:34:22 PM | I hope everyone gets out while they can, as some are saying this is the storm of the century. Nature cannot be tamed. Just copied this from the net: " HAVANA (AFP) - Hurricane Gustav tore into western Cuba plunging the region into darkness, tearing off roofs, flattening buildings and washing out roads as it raged on a deadly path toward the US Gulf Coast.
Having left a trail of destruction and at least 81 people dead in the Dominican Republic, Haiti and Jamaica, Gustav on Saturday smashed first across Cuba's Isle of Youth, with more than 200,000 residents, and then tore across mainland Cuba southwest of Havana, which has more than two million people."
Best of luck to everyone in Gustav's path, and condolences to those families who have lost loved ones. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/30/2008 8:52:47 PM |
Mandatory evacuations to begin Sunday morning in New Orleans
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city beginning 8 a.m. Sunday but urged residents to consider escaping "the mother of all storms" before then.
"You need to be scared," Nagin said of the Category 4 hurricane tearing along Cuba's western coast. "You need to be concerned, and you need to get your butts moving out of New Orleans right now. This is the storm of the century."
The city's west bank is to evacuate at 8 a.m.
Nagin said the city had evacuated roughly 10,000 people Saturday on buses, trains and planes, in addition to the thousands who left on their own. Buses from collection points would continue running until midnight and resume at 6 a.m. Sunday, he said.
"This storm is so powerful and growing more powerful every day," Nagin said. "I'm not sure we've seen anything like this."
At 8 p.m. ET, Gustav's eye was over western Cuba near Los Palacios, about 65 miles (105 kilometers) west-southwest of Havana, with sustained winds near 150 mph.
Hurricanes are ranked 1 to 5 in intensity on the Saffir-Simpson scale. A Category 4 has winds of 131 to 155 mph and can cause extreme damage.
"This storm could be as bad as it gets," Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said Saturday afternoon. "We could see flooding even worse than we saw in Hurricane Katrina."
New Orleans joined the growing list of local governments in south Louisiana ordering mandatory evacuations on Saturday and Sunday as Gustav roared past Cuba and into the Gulf of Mexico.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/08/30/gustav.prepare/index.html
I hope every one in it's path does whatever they have to do to avoid staying there. This sounds like a big one, and after Katrina.... we don't need any more human misery.
Stay safe, and let us know how you are doing, if and when you can.
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/30/2008 9:13:44 PM | A good friend of mine loss every thing during Katrina, has since relocated in North Carolina, decided to never return. Am sure many who did not like her and family , are having deja vu tonight, horrible memories returning.
We need to think of them as well, it can stir up tensions / anxiety , PTSD. Sure hope every one gets through this safe and it is not a repeat of Katrina.
Best of luck. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/30/2008 9:18:11 PM | I have to say . I live in alabama . totale evac for LA is placed ,.... I know its suck , people are just getting back on their feet and trying to get their lifes back together , but the fact is , they are able to do so , they are alife ... as with any situation use common sense I guess , this time we lucky the way it looks ..Im talking lucky here in alabama). but I watch the weather closly . and if for some reason it should come our way . I pack my kids , cats and important papers and Im out of here . I have insurance on my little apartment ... everything can be replaced . ..... I understand that people do not want to loose anything , but the fact is .... If you live in the zone , where the storm is suppose to hit , you wont safe a darn thing , trying to ride it out , the storm will not go arround you just because you there , it will come and it will come in hard .... so why not use commen sense , safe what is the most important to you and yours ???? YOUR LIFE AND THAT OF YOUR FAMILY !!!!!!!! I lost everything 2x in KS due to twisters but I had my life my kids where ok and my animals ... it was all good ..... so we prepared as we can be .... and for all others . please use brains , dont put your selfs in harms way MY self and my family will pray for those in the path of this storm .. may god keep you all safe and from harm ..... | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/31/2008 3:15:51 AM | Here's the thing that always honked me off about the aftermath of Katrina...it's that most neighborhoods that were destroyed in NO, were rebuilt on exactly the same land instead of dumping earth down to where they'd be ABOVE sea level...God Forbid anyone be intelligent there.
There are currently NO LEVEES that can withstand a Cat 4 or 5 in New Orleans. NONE. They simply aren't rated for it. When you then add the fact that NO is for the most part is 16 FEET under Sea Level, there is still plenty of disaster potential.
And why are they rebuilding ONE STORY HOMES?? Even the most simple flood from the Gulf puts most single story homes UNDER WATER. At least build a two-story with garage below...or do like most coastal-dwelling Floridians and put the dang things on STILTS. Many Florida Insurance companies won't even insure the first floor of most homes that are within a mile of the Gulf/less than 20' above sea level since Hurricane Ivan...consequently everyone started building slightly more intelligently for the potential weather.
Most of New Orleans problems are self-actualized...they refuse to believe that Mother Nature rules. And until they realize that living UNDER sea level is stupid to the bone, they'll have disasasters.
And if Al Gore is correct about Global Warming, the levees would have to be built 40 FEET HIGHER than their current level to survive the next 50 years. I doubt Ray Nagin is going to do it. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/31/2008 6:01:01 AM | PBS just had a report on a religion segment stating that over 1.1 million people have traveled into the Gulf region to aid in the repairs. What a glorious thing to hear that so many refrain from finger pointing, and blame to dig in and help out. Here's hoping that everyone from these forums who live in NO and surrounds will not see this until after the storms. Good luck and be safe. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/31/2008 7:45:37 AM | Everyone I have know that has ever known anything about that area has always said "one day a bad hurricane will come and wipe New Orleans off the face of the map", now why didn't the people do their part and force La. leaders to resign if there were not going to do anything to protect it's people and start working on that problem years ago? You don't build a HOUSE on a less than solid foundation. It would have been a lot cheeper to begin buying up property and relocating people to higher ground years ago through fedreal and local grants than the mess ALL the UNITED STATES TAX PAYERS have to pay now. Then to turn around and blame it all on the government is really a slap in the face. Where are the people that live there? Why are they not/were not in an uproar with a government they let fail them knowing "if it ever hit's" ? We all knew what would eventually happen, no one that lived there did anything, all those years. Just held there breath. Then, cry foul and government failure. The communities have the power to elect people that will do their will. The communities have the power to force them out if they do not the people's will. We all need to stop whinning and take better care of bussiness or we'll all be "down the river anyway".
I can see that you know absolutely nothing about New Orleans history, culture, economic importance & status, politics, or english grammar. IF the Army Core of Engineers had carried out the plans they outlined as long ago as 1970 to build up the levee system & execute plans to stop wetland erosion, a Cat 5 hurricane would not have nearly the devastation that Katrina did at a Cat 3 (when it made landfall). The wetlands have provided a buffer to absorb the water swells & diminish the strength of hurricanes before they made their way as far North as New Orleans. Allowing the loss of wetlands has moved the coastline much closer to the city, thus removing a major protection.
The finger of fault can be pointed spherically regarding the condition of New Orleans' pitiful condition. The Federal Army Core of Engineers never followed up on the wetlands protection....too much money. It would obviously have been a lot cheaper than allowing Katrina, et al to happen along. Politicians that you helped vote into office on Federal levels are very much to blame that bit on, so when you are pointing those fingers around, don't forget to notice that you will have 3 of those fingers pointing right back at yourself....wherever you may live.
Atlanta is not so far inland that it can't have it's buttocks whipped by a hurricane either & don't tell me the rank & file citizens of Atlanta who live beneath the poverty level are anymore prepared to deal with a Katrina-like disaster than the poverty level citizens of New Orleans. I've been to Atlanta & those were some of the worst/dumbest stagehands I saw in any major city in this country...& if the stagehands were that uneducated...the people at the lowest socio-economic levels had to be pretty much on a par with those of NOLA. So don't be putting the good folks of Atlanta out there as being any better than those in New Orleans.
The people who had no viable means of evacuating were pretty much stuck. There was no way for them to leave the city....& go where? Many didn't even have the bus fare to cross town, much less leave town. It was an insane situation that Nagan, Blanco, Brown, Chertoff, Bush, etc. left things as they did. It's appalling! That is what you get when you have a p*ssing contest over who gets the glory over a job well done. Well they all get bad marks for a job not done as far as I'm concerned. As to re-electing Nagan? Nagan was never put in office by the African American communities of NOLA. He was put in by the wealthier citizens of various races & cultures. The votes he got from afar (absentee ballots) from refugees of Katrina were because he realized he needed to woo those voters with promises & rhetoric that they sorely needed to hear.
The whole mess of the manner Katrina was handled sent a message around the world that America is in such p*ss poor shape that we cannot even handle our own disasters. That is a dangerous message to send to those with malicious intent towards our nation. How badly would we handle an invasion???
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[.....]as far as I know, the crime rate in Houston skyrocketed when the New Orleans overflow moved in. The majority of people this city housed, fed and doctored for a year, without cost to them I might add, as well as Fema who gave them apartments, furniture, clothing and education, were pretty much the lower class, riff-raff of Burbon Street. And how do they repay us? By stealing, injuring and killing Houstonians, as well as their own.
That phenomenon has occurred everywhere the refugees went. The most criminal aspect of the population of NOLA were amongst the refugees & I knew the moment Houston opened its arms with hospitality to them with longterm intentions, that they were essentially opening Pandora's Box. Having lived there (NOLA) for so many years, I saw the crime aspects of the low end population continue to morph into an ugly fright. The people did not come from Bourbon St. riff-raff though. They came from every part of the city for the most part. Some of the neighborhoods down in the Lower 9th Ward would make Bourbon St. look like a Disney World attraction. The murder rate in Little Rock went up to an average of 1 murder per day for a long while. So we in AR feel your pain in Houston.
Maybe if those people had gotten off their lazy butts years ago, by working honest jobs instead of living off their state, they would have had money to buy cars so they could have gotten the hell out of Dodge like everyone else! Many of the people you make reference to "[...]their lazy butts[...]" are truly just that. But here is a part of the deal most people do not realize. There haven't always been jobs available for the incredibly undereducated. It is amazing & appalling to find out how underserving the educational system is there. Then there is the welfare system that rewards those who sit home producing more undereducated multigenerational career welfare recipients. If I was tapped for ideas about the restructuring of the Welfare System, I would be a most hated person by many of the current recipients who really are just the lazy butts you make reference to. I think Welfare should be run more like the WPA was after WWII. Work equals income. It would be a great method to revitalize the aging infrastructure of this nation.
For those who think I'm working both sides of the discussion on this issue, I will say that this is not a simple, black & white situation. It is multifaceted & multilayered. There is nothing simple about that city in any manner, shape, or form. If you have ever spent any time there (more than just Mardi Gras), you will have some idea of the depth, breadth, & immense scope of the complexities involved. It is also a city this nation needs. It is the guardian of the heartland of America. Reference your history on the Revolution & the importance of the city in that endeavor, not to mention the role played by the wetlands themselves & how they were used to defend invasionn by British troop reinforcements that had the potential to alter the tide of events. Imagine an invasion of this country looking to use the Mississippi as a means of moving into the heartland. The MS River is connected to the AR River that goes waaaay out west, the Ohio River Valley where a lot of manufacturing occurs, and straight up to the Great Lakes region;....it has the potential to be catastrophic. So far we have been really darned lucky not to have so much war ravage our homeland. Who's to say it will always be that way? Keeping NOLA is something that requires long term, thinking. Again, the situation is far from simple. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/31/2008 8:30:13 AM | I dont understand that people always have to point fingers at others .... every human has to right to live where they like to live ... flood zone or not .... Hurricans are not on the map on a daily basic , ( thank god) .... and stuff happens ... LA people are tough and Im sure they love where they live and its home for them .... Im sure some where up north , where they have blizzards people loose their stuff to snow and weather conditions too.. are we telling them people they need to move , too .???...just because the weather gets a couple of time a year bad ???? people wonna live in LA because its HOME ... so, they deal the best they can with the situation... IF " GOD FORBIT" they get hit by this storm again .... them people will RETURN again and they will rebuilt again .. them are some tough peeps and we all should respect their choices ... alll we can do is pray and hope for the best / we can all sit here on the side lines and give our opinions , but we sure as heck should not tell nobody what to do .... yo'all be safe down there .... | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/31/2008 3:12:23 PM | Stay safe and take good care down there to all of you. We'll see you all safe and sound back here on the other side of the storm. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/31/2008 3:20:04 PM | I'm glad to see this topic is still getting some attention because, "Ladies and Gentlemen, this storm could make every one before look like a spring shower". It's moving at 20 MPH at a CAT 4. With several hundred more miles and warm ocean to move across before it hits land, it's expected to reach a CAT 5. That means, as is my understanding, EVERYTHING within 200 miles of the Gulf is in danger of being wiped off the face of the map, or flooded beyond imagination.
Me? I live 80 miles due north of Galveston and 90 miles northwest of Beaumont; both those cites were evacuating starting this morning. I'm staying. Smart or not, everything I own is here. Me and my three dogs will take shelter in my hallway closet if need be. If I can help anyone near me, contact me through POF. I'll do what I can but this is not the Hilton and I'm not Paris.
Good luck and God's speed to all.
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/31/2008 3:44:37 PM | | Thank goodness Bobby Jindal is in charge this time. When Katrina hit, Blanco and Nagin totally screwed the pooch. The 'John Wayne dude'", Lt.Gen. Russel Honore' had to come to the rescue to bail their azzes out. | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/31/2008 4:15:22 PM | | Longing for the days of Huey "Kingfish" Long.......Katrina would have been a blink of an eye................................Ya Ya I know....you young ones probably have no idea who I'm talking about..................... | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/31/2008 4:33:03 PM | | I hope and pray the folks in the Gulf area will be ok. I sit here in Florida knowing what a hurricane is capable of and pray for those currently in the path. Looks like it is going to be a very active year once again. God Bless you all!!! | |
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| Gulf Coast(ers), are you ready????? Posted: 8/31/2008 5:21:47 PM | I am with you, liebesfliege, on the live where you will issue. There are geological and weather issues in every region. Seems that there were instances of whole towns blown away from tornadoes this year and every year in memory, there are the fires, the mudslides and constant threat of earthquake and that is not just in Cali, either. Perhaps we should just clear out large sections of the US and declare them "no live" zones. This storm will probably convince a few more that NO is not the place for them, just like after Katrina some decided to stay put in lots of areas where they have been welcomed. | |
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