Ah, shucks. Iraq was not an economically frail government. Their threat wasn't the non-existent weapons of mass destruction.

McCain has shown his cards in confronting this threat by voting to invade Iraq to pressure Saudi Arabia to confront their Qutbist infestation.

btw "quitbist" refers to sects of the Muslim religion).

Qutbism has gained notoriety from its massive influence on jihadi extremists like Osama bin Laden. According to observers, jihadi extremists “cite Sayyid Qutb repeatedly and consider themselves his intellectual descendants.”

Qutbism postulates that sharia-based society will have an almost supernatural perfection, providing justice, prosperity, peace and harmony both individually and societally. Its wonders are such that the use of offensive jihad to spread of sharia-Islam throughout the non-Muslim world will not be aggression but "a movement ... to introduce true freedom to mankind." It frees humanity from servitude to man because its divine nature requires no human authorities to judge or enforce its law.

The threat of Iraq was that the week we attacked them they were planning on changing their currency base from the dollar to the Euro.

And, as ever, Iraq not only had no part in 9/11, they were good at keeping Al Qaeda out of their country until we destroyed their anti-Al Qaeda government and we opened Iraq to Al Qaeda.

Meanwhile, McSame can't even go to the Cave Bin Laden is in much less the gates of hell.

Obama considered Iraq to be simply a Neo Con expansion. Now he wishes to invade Pakistan which would quite possibly result in the overthrow of democracy there and result in the empowering of a Qutbist takeover of a country with a fifth of a billion people with nuclear weapons who are aimed at a country with a billion people with nuclear weapons themselves and attacked weekly by those Qutbist backed terrorists.

how can Obama truly claim to be Christian, but yet not do all in his power (ie: even if it's just only voting on a couple of bills) to stop murder going on?

Pro-choice groups:
In general, these either promote a woman's right to choose an abortion, or are relatively silent on the matter. A number of liberal and mainline Christian and Jewish faith groups and organizations have publicly stated that abortions are sometimes an acceptable option, and should remain legal. According to lists prepared by The Secular Web and the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, they include, in alphabetic order: 1
bullet American Baptist Churches-USA (see below),
bullet American Ethical Union,
bullet American Friends (Quaker) Service Committee,
bullet American Jewish Committee,
bullet American Jewish Congress,
bullet Central Conference of American Rabbis,
bullet Christian Church (Disciples of Christ),
bullet Council of Jewish Federations,
bullet Episcopal Church (USA),
bullet Federation of Reconstructionist Congregations and Havurot,
bullet Moravian Church in America-Northern Province,
bullet Na'Amat USA,
bullet National Council of Jewish Women,
bullet Presbyterian Church (USA),
bullet Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice,
bullet Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,
bullet Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
bullet Unitarian Universalist Association,
bullet United Church of Christ,
bullet United Methodist Church,
bullet United Synagogue for Conservative Judaism.

bullet Religious groups other than denominations:
bullet Catholics for Free Choice,
bullet Episcopal Women's Caucus,
bullet Evangelicals for Choice,
bullet Jewish Women International,
bullet Lutheran Women's Caucus,
bullet North American Federation of Temple Youth,
bullet Unitarian Universalist Women's Federation,
bullet Women of Reform Judaism,
bullet Women's American ORT,
bullet Women's Caucus Church of the Brethren,
bullet Women's League for Conservative Judaism.

Can you say you are against what he stands for...

Apologist and O4 Both of you show a LOT of integrity, humility, and character in these Forums. Part of the PURPOSE of these forums is to voice one's opinions and to hear the views of others (it seems most people focus on the first and forget the latter). We are here for a DISCUSSION to learn from each other. Stay OPTOMISTIC in the face of cynicism. Hope that you stick around because you need to be a VOICE to the voiceless.

Supreme Court justices are picked from sitting Federal Court judges, not the US Senate. All the current justics served in the US Court of Appeals.

I feel sorry for those on the right, they have no idea how powerful hope and dreams can be, what it is like to be moved to tears by hearing 84,000 of your fellow Americans cheering so much, that he couldn't even start his speech, having a tear roll down your cheeck, when he accepts, with humilty, our nomination for President. . .

I still do have to say though...it's been more than two years, and I'm still waiting for Obama to actually say something of substance, besides just being out there touting the word "CHANGE" everywhere, though.

That assertion is getting more and more lame as time goes by. Listen to McCain and Obama's speeches. Who goes into detail and who relies on one liners? If you think the answer is McCain you aren't paying very close attention.

Lol, that's cute. You read my post, right? lol I don't get a vote..

Is Obama ready to LEAD the country?

I still do have to say though...it's been more than two years, and I'm still waiting for Obama to actually say something of substance , besides just being out there touting the word "CHANGE" everywhere, though.

Now if you want to disagree with Obama's substance, with his values, with his decision making process, that's legitimate. In that case we can agree to disagree.