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Posted: 9/2/2008 1:20:46 AM |
But didn't we just somewhere in the middle of that, as you just said, agree to disagree that the man wasn't really saying anything of substance? lol
I can see how you might interpret it that way. My intent was that while it was legitimate to differ on the particulars of his positions, to assert that all he does is tout the word 'change' shows a lack of research on your part.
So I guess we're just agreeing to disagree that Obama's detailed positions on each of the following issues constitute any substance whatsoever:
Civil Rights
Defense
Disabilities
Economy
Education
Energy & Environment
Ethics
Faith
Family
Fiscal
Foreign Policy
Healthcare
Homeland Security
Immigration
Iraq
Poverty
Rural
Service
Seniors & Social Security
Technology
Urban Policy
Veterans
Women
Taken from his website:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
Oh, and you can also find there his "Blueprint for Change", sharing extensive substance behind that simple but much needed word.
I know I'm wasting my efforts here, but I'd have had a lot more respect had you made the case that we should stay in Iraq, that all abortions should be illegal, that our health care system was fine, our schools are plenty good enough, less affluent people should pay a greater share of taxes than the rich, we should drill anywhere and everywhere for oil, or any number of positions that differ from the substance of Obama's.
In that case I'd make my counterpoint and we could respectfully disagree, or maybe even find areas we do agree on.
But since you insist there isn't even anything there to disagree about, well then......
We'll just have to disagree.
Dave | |
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Posted: 9/2/2008 1:50:06 AM |
So I guess we're just agreeing to disagree that Obama's detailed positions on each of the following issues constitute any substance whatsoever:
Okie dokes.
Actually, I don't disagree with many of his stances on these issues, when you get right down to it.
What I detest is his public persona...
Civil Rights
Defense
Disabilities
Economy
Education
Energy & Environment
Ethics
Faith
Family
Fiscal
Foreign Policy
Healthcare
Homeland Security
Immigration
Iraq
Poverty
Rural
Service
Seniors & Social Security
Technology
Urban Policy
Veterans
Women
Gee...I'm a big girl and I can say big girl words now, eh? Same as Obama, lol
Taken from his website:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
Britney Spears has a website too....dazzle me though, mkay?
I'm not anti-Dem, in case you were wondering. So...dazzle me. Show me...you know....
I know I'm wasting my efforts here, but I'd have had a lot more respect had you made the case that we should stay in Iraq, that all abortions should be illegal, that our health care system was fine, our schools are plenty good enough, less affluent people should pay a greater share of taxes than the rich, we should drill anywhere and everywhere for oil, or any number of positions that differ from the substance of Obama's.
And don't just link me to his website....dazzle me. ;)
Really, I AM asking...I don't get a vote as you know...but I'd really like to believe. :) | |
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Posted: 9/2/2008 3:27:50 AM | | I, for one, am really glad you don't! He gave you the benefit of the doubt twice, and you threw it away both times being childish. . . Some people don't know how to respond to a respectful debate. | |
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Posted: 9/2/2008 8:54:30 AM | Actually, I don't disagree with many of his stances on these issues, when you get right down to it.
What I detest is his public persona...
OK, so it's not that he doesn't say anything. It's not that he has no substance behind what he does say. Your problem is that you don't like how he says what he says?
You're not the first person to say that. I think it demonstrates how we all respond differently. Many of us feel inspired by the visionary approach Obama takes to present his platform. But there are those who have the opposite reaction. Near as I can tell the only explanation is that we're wired differently.
I've been involved in a lot of policy work over the years on the local and state level, sometimes spilling over into national issues. I've always responded best to plans whose centerpiece was a clear ideal we all agreed to achieve, supported by specific strategies to achieve that vision. Others I've worked with have little patience with lofty ideals, and can't engage until they see a level of detail that assures them, for example, that the pothole on their street will be patched. How that fits into the grand scheme of transportation infrastructure is of little interest to them.
Perhaps that accounts for our differences. Perhaps not. Maybe once you do get the chance to vote you'll base your choices simply on the public facade a candidate presents, the clothes they wear, the venues they use and their tone of voice rather than the issues, but I'm trying hard to give you the chance to agree that issues and strategies matter more than presentation style. When you asked me to 'dazzle you' though, it indicates the opposite may be the case.
Too many voters are too easily seduced by 'dazzle.' When you asserted Obama had no substance I challenged that statement, and showed you where to find all the substance you seek, even listing the menu of issues to pick from. I'm not going to paste here every detailed plan on every one of those issues. Give me an area of special concern to you and we can work with that. What matters to you?
Until then I guess we're left with personas. To me, Obama's is one that reveals not only a man of vision, but one that emphasizes rational thought and gathering expert input from all perspectives to assist in the development of meticulous strategies to reach defensible ideals. McCains persona reveals a man unafraid to diverge from the status quo, but prone to letting his emotions over rule his logic. He too has a strong sense of values, some of which I support some of which I don't. But he's more of a lone ranger than a consensus builder.
I also happen to prefer Obama's presentation style. It's not all that different from my own when I've been in a position to promote a concept through public speaking. But there's a lot to be said for McCain's town hall approach. I like the way he sets those up, but think he could do a better job of responding to the grass roots questioning he gets there.
So dazzle you I did not. But once again, if you'd like to engage in substantive dialogue, there's a clear opportunity for you to do so.
Dave | |
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Posted: 11/6/2008 12:01:59 AM | | The Obama Administration - it's become a Reality!! The hope has happened. Martin's Luther King's Dream has come true! It's a great moment for America and for the rest of the world. So, what do people think Obama's Administration will look like? | |
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Posted: 11/6/2008 2:07:53 PM | I thought the speech was terrific and moving. By the end, I was a little choked up.
As to the hypothetical cabinet, interesting choices; however, I would not want John Kerry in the cabinet, and certainly not in that position.
Overall, I am looking forward to the new Administration and the next four years. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2008 6:34:14 PM | | Now that he has the job i hope he does what he said he would do surround hisself with people who have different wells of wisdom and are not afraid to dissagree with him buut truely talk about what they believe is the right course of action. HC and his wife are sure to bond over health care issues, | |
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Posted: 11/27/2008 2:15:20 PM | Jeremiah Wright = Ethics/Morality
That would be a good place for him I like a person who has some in there. If you heard the whole speech he was talking about who our leaders need to stop pretending to be good and start being good. | |
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Posted: 11/27/2008 3:48:24 PM | Let's see, we are going from a first family who was raised in money to a first family who shows enormous fiscal responsibility. Michelle does not fly to Paris to purchase gowns off the French runway, she buys off the rack. Both daughters will be expected to make beds and pick up their rooms. They spent their Thanksgiving serving dinners, Barack took time off his campaign to take his daughters around for Halloween. When he gives a speecch, yeah he does have a slight stutter, but it comes across to me as it is because he feels passionately about what he is talking about. He speaks with self confidence and strength.
I have heard he intends to close Guantanamo, Yeah!!, and hopefully the Patriot Act will not be far behind.
I guess if you like the display of wealth that the preceding first family showed and honestly believed that it was just right around the corner for you, then yeah, you will not like the toning down of the first family that is currently going on. Maybe my hopes will be crushed but right now I still have faith that he is going to slam on the brakes and make a hard turn on the direction this country is going in. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2008 6:29:31 PM |
We need to get rid of the Patriot Act ASAP ... but I think he's going to be working on that very soon ... if not already.
Agreed.
Let's see, we are going from a first family who was raised in money to a first family who shows enormous fiscal responsibility. Michelle does not fly to Paris to purchase gowns off the French runway, she buys off the rack. Both daughters will be expected to make beds and pick up their rooms. They spent their Thanksgiving serving dinners, Barack took time off his campaign to take his daughters around for Halloween. When he gives a speecch, yeah he does have a slight stutter, but it comes across to me as it is because he feels passionately about what he is talking about. He speaks with self confidence and strength.
I have heard he intends to close Guantanamo, Yeah!!, and hopefully the Patriot Act will not be far behind.
I guess if you like the display of wealth that the preceding first family showed and honestly believed that it was just right around the corner for you, then yeah, you will not like the toning down of the first family that is currently going on. Maybe my hopes will be crushed but right now I still have faith that he is going to slam on the brakes and make a hard turn on the direction this country is going in.
Well-said.
A+ on the fiscal responsibility factor.
At least charge those held in Guantanamo Bay with something--or let them go.
I don't envy our new president's responsibilities--Mumbai, Darfur, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan...what a horrendous list... | |
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Posted: 11/28/2008 9:14:39 PM | Obama may exhibit fiscal responsibility in his own personal life, but this is a guy who had earmarked 932 million in pork barrel spending as a senator. Please explain how that's responsible.
Instead of worrying about the Patriot Act or other things that can be dealt with later he'd better be worrying about getting this country back on it's feet economically. Until that is dealt with the country at large is going to be gravely disappointed. Maybe these kinds of things are of serious importance to some, but remember, he is a president for all of us, and I think it should be what the majority want, and according to all those precious polls being taken, the ecomony should be priority number one. If he can accomplish that in less than 4 years, I'll be a believer. | |
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Posted: 12/3/2008 7:44:29 PM | Bill Richardson is the latest character.
Has anyone been named who DOESN'T have ties to the Clinton administration ?
I guess living in the 90's equals change. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 8:18:38 PM | Post 109-
"We need to get rid of the Patriot Act ASAP ... but I think he's going to be working on that very soon ... if not already"
Why would he get rid of it when he voted for it's Reauthorization in 2006? He's got the votes and all the support he needs and I agree that he should get rid of it.
But it looks like you were wrong when you said you thought he will be "working on that very soon ... if not already"
Eh, we still have 3 more years for him to work on this one.
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