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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 5:58:27 PM | | It's called polititans slappin each others asses. You slap mine, i'll slap yours. Everyone knows the real reason why McCain picked her to try to pull in the undecided women vote. If hillary was the VP to Obama then McCain would have picked Romney. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Pain
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:01:43 PM | First, your numbers are out of whack if I'm following correctly. We're comparing OVER A MILLION A YEAR vs 18,000 a year ????
Second, I'm still looking for fundamental rights to health insurance as being one of the things the constitution talks about as being one of the things that the government is supposed to furnish upon request.......Oh ya, here it is.....under the "yet another unfunded mandate" section. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Pain
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:10:05 PM | Where does it say in the Constitution that life begins at conception?
The Constitution is a living document, designed to adapt to the times. To promote the General welfare can be interprested as healthcare by our generation. . . Doctors were little more than charlatons in 1776. Today they perform what our founding fathers would have considered miracles. CPR is only 50 years old, they didn't know what a virus or bacteria was in 1776. If the founding fathers could have increased their lifespans from 40-75 years, they would have done so without hesitation!
You cannot disregard that PURE greed kills 18,000 Americans every year. Your argument against abortion is invalid if you don't value all human life. It is just pontificating. You HAVE to be willing to put your money where your mouth is.
I am on the high road on this. I have a great job, with great health insurance. I don't pay a very large premium. So, a national healthcare system would likely cost me far more than I am now paying. However, I am willing to do so to reduce the senseless deaths. I am also willing to have some of my hard earned dollars go to social programs to help a poor woman raise her child, instead of aborting. Saying she has to have the child, but being unwilling to assist with their living conditions is not a Christian Value.
None of them, Bush, McCain, et al; are Christians. Obama is a Christian, he wants to help the poor rise to be self sufficient, wants to reduce abortions by reducing unwanted pregancies or by providing assistance if they have the child. Thoise are Christian Values, not the republicans! | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:10:22 PM |
You slap mine, i'll slap yours. Everyone knows the real reason why McCain picked her to try to pull in the undecided women vote.
Kinda like Obama choosing Biden to make up for Obama's lack of experience?
McCain made a smart and savvy move by choosing a bright, well grounded person who has executive duties experience...in Palin.
McCain/Palin '08 & '12! | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Pain
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:20:06 PM | To promote the General welfare
I expect the government to put practices into place that will protect me and you from plagues and contageous diseases (ie: airborn/waterborn type commonly communicated, etc). The problem with the government guaranteeing healthcare beyond that, is where does it stop? Does anyone that needs one at the drop of a hat get millions of dollars in treatments as a part of a government sponsored freebee just get it?
Saying she has to have the child, but being unwilling to assist with their living conditions is not a Christian Value.
Exi, as Christians we are called to help and assist everywhere we can when we see need. You and I are in full agreement that people who need help should get help. Where you and I are in FULL DISAGREEMENT however is just where that help should come from. You are looking to government to deliver everything. I'm not prone to support everyone sucking off of that *** for everything however. It's not the correct place nor the correct agency. Human to human is the way Christ taught it, not government to human. There's also reasons that it is that way too.............it allows the act of giving and not just the act of taking away (by Ceasar).
The last paragraph is so upside down, I wouldn't know where to start. First, Chirst taught self-responsibility...should we just start there first? Oh, of course though, I also remember him endorsing all about fornication and adultery though too....... PLEASE don't pick and choose your verses out of the bible. I will bring you a full book personally in Phoenix before the end of the year if you really need one. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:25:11 PM |
We all know that Palin is aggressively anti-abortion choice and completely opposed to gay rights, both of which point to an anti-feminist
you have decided then what a feminiist is, and you don't have a monopoly on that definition
you can not decide for anyone but yourself that to be pro life is to be anti-feminist
gay rights-
you say she's "completely opposed to gay right"?
she's against gay marriage, it that what you're basing your comment on? | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Pain
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:27:51 PM | O4;
It works in EVERY other industrialized country. EVERY ONE. Is America so much worse than ALL of our rivals that we can't find a way to take care of all of our citizens? I believe in America enought to believe we can take care of all of our people.
He taught relying on one another. . .
We the people of the United States of American, in order to form a more perfect union. . . We are the government. . . We can chose to use our wonderful system to ensure that everyone is provided with quality healthcare. It should be a right, not a privilidge to Live.
Is it ok for a dad to die, because he didn't have a good enough job? Is it OK that a family is now going to struggle to survive, much less save their house, because the dad got sick, but couldn't go to a doctor. I'm sorry, there is NO viable excuse against UHC. If you are truly a Christian, the extra 5-6% of your income, that AT MOST you would have to pay to ensure that 18,000 fewer Americans would die each year should be worth it to you.
I don't doubt your sincerity or your values, but they have been skewed and tailored by spin from the right wing. UHC isn't this eveil thing that will bankrupt our nation, or cause more deaths by delays. . . It is an obtainable goal, if we care about our fellow citizens! | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Pain
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:28:20 PM | Did they figure out how many attendees were there for Obama, and how many were just there for the music? 
I know an awful lot of people were there for the popular rock bands.. They had some great ones too. 
And they were serving some terrific hors d'oeuvres as well. I suspect a large percentage came for the music, and the munchies too. Don't you?
-Suth'nBoy 
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:33:45 PM | Here's another nugget about Sarah Palin.
You already know that she's being investigated for ordering the dismissal of an Alaskan State Trooper who was in a divorce fight with her sister. And when the police commissioner refused to fire the trooper, Palin fired the commissioner.
Here's the new part. Palin replaced the commissioner with a guy that had been charged and reprimanded for sexual harassment -- and Palin knew about it, and hired him anyway. He lasted two weeks before the harassment story got out.
Kinda shows you about her judgement. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Pain
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:35:40 PM | I think you have it backwards, the bands were there for the experience as well.
If you weren't moved, you either didn't listen, or your heart is not filled with hope for America. . . I'm sorry for your cold heart, it must hurt to be devoid of spirit. 38,000,000 people tuned in, most of them are still feeling inspired today. . .
I could care less who McCain picked. . . It was irrelevant after last night! | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is................................
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:37:18 PM | I don't think it's that good for McCain to have pundits ignoring Obamas speech and focusing on Palin. An estimated 40 million watched Obama's speech and it was a doozy. The only hope repubs had of dampening that enthusiasm was to cast the speech in a negative light, like they tried to do last night.
Now as for Palin, after the sensationalism of her being a woman and an NRA supporter, former beauty queen clears, you have someone with no substance and an embarrasingly lame record. She left the town of Wasilla, where she was mayor, in economic ruin based mainly on a grudge match court case to seize some land by eminent domain and build a legacy sports center on. Now the town is still paying for that faux pas and existing with cut backs in essential services. She has another abuse of power scandel dogging her recently. She has no economic savvy (a trait shared by McCain) and the economy is in shambles and she has a pitiful education, a BA in Journalism from some crappy school in Idaho 20 years ago.
The fact that she's pro-life is really not going to be enough for her to fall back on when McCain drops dead 4 months into this presidency. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is................................
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:38:44 PM | As a side note about the rally to roll out Palin, the McCain campaign again showed they'll take what they want without asking. Before they went onstage, the sound guy played the Van Halen song, "Right Now." Problem is, they didn't have Van Halen's permission. A spokesman for the group says if McCain had asked to use it, they wouldn't have given him permission.
Jackson Browne is already suing McCain for using his song "Running on Empty" in a campaign ad without permission.
I wonder if this is indicative of the kind of "leadership" McCain would use as president--take what you want even if it isn't right. I do question his judgment about things.
The Palins apparently named their son Trig Paxson Van Palin as an homage to the group.
http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/08/mccain-sucks-at.html
http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/C/CVN_VEEPSTAKES_PALIN?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Pain
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:38:48 PM |
The Constitution is a living document, designed to adapt to the times. To promote the General welfare can be interprested as healthcare by our generation
How does lining the pockets of insurance companies promote the general welfare? The people aren't going to suddenly get free health care. Obama will hide the price increases in higher taxes, nominally on the vaguely defined "rich". But we all know that higher taxes on the rich trickle down to the middle class. Universal Health Care is a shell game that Obama is playing with the middle class.
You cannot disregard that PURE greed kills 18,000 Americans every year.
Sure I can. Greed never killed anybody. Diseases and malnutrition do.
You HAVE to be willing to put your money where your mouth is.
Let's remember this quote, shall we?
I am on the high road on this. I have a great job, with great health insurance. I don't pay a very large premium. So, a national healthcare system would likely cost me far more than I am now paying. However, I am willing to do so to reduce the senseless deaths. I am also willing to have some of my hard earned dollars go to social programs to help a poor woman raise her child, instead of aborting.
Okay, so why not put your money where your mouth is and give more to charity? You should be willing to take all the money you make, beyond what you need for basic necessities, and give it away. Or is it pure greed that prevents you? | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Pain
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:42:00 PM |
I could care less who McCain picked. . . It was irrelevant after last night!
You can bet your bippy that McCain will grow to care....
I forgot to mention that the results for the abuse-of-power investigation of Palin is scheduled to be released the first couple days of November....right before the election. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Pain
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:42:25 PM | You eliminate the insurance companies, 1/3 of the cost of healthcare is insurance.
I am a liberal, I would bet anything that I do FAR more than you do to make a difference! I am willing to, and DO put my money where my mouth is! Nice try for a red herring though, bread and butter of hypocrites the world around! | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:44:50 PM |
you have decided then what a feminiist is, and you don't have a monopoly on that definition
you can not decide for anyone but yourself that to be pro life is to be anti-feminist
Nonsense. Anyone advocating for legislation denying WOMEN the right to bodily autonomy is NOT a feminist. And when that advocacy is based on their PERSONAL religious beliefs, whereby they would DARE, because of their religious beliefs, deny other women control over their OWN bodies in a SECULAR society, it's BEYOND anti-feminist. You or anyone else can advocate for whatever you or they wish--but not all advocacy can be described as consistent with feminism. Roe v. Wade was one of the most important achievements of the women's movement, and sending American women back into the dangerous place we were in before 1973 canNOT be described as a feminist goal.
So yes, as a feminist I'm perfectly comfortable in saying that THIS woman is NOT a feminist. According to your analysis, an advocate of ANTHING, from anti-choice laws to the right of men to kill their wives, could yet be considered "feminist," as long as the person involved CALLED him or herself a feminist. It's not a catch-all category: it has meaning. Some people ARE feminists and some people are NOT, whether they pretend to be or not.
gay rights-
you say she's "completely opposed to gay right"?
she's against gay marriage, it that what you're basing your comment on?
No, it's more than that, as discussed in post 369. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is................................
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:45:01 PM |
As a side note about the rally to roll out Palin, the McCain campaign again showed they'll take what they want without asking. Before they went onstage, the sound guy played the Van Halen song, "Right Now." Problem is, they didn't have Van Halen's permission. A spokesman for the group says if McCain had asked to use it, they wouldn't have given him permission.
Jackson Browne is already suing McCain for using his song "Running on Empty" in a campaign ad without permission.
I wonder if this is indicative of the kind of "leadership" McCain would use as president--take what you want even if it isn't right. I do question his judgment about things.
http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/08/mccain-sucks-at.html
That is so lame. He had the same problem using Franki Valli tunes for a snarky Obama youtube vid. (Can't take my eyes off of you) and John Cougar Mellencamp Pink Houses. Then he switched his theme song to "Johnny B Goode" and Chuck Berry told him to quit it and came out and endorsed Obama.
It's like, the guy will criticize "celebrities" and play down the importance of artists, but he thinks these songs just spontaneously spring from the ground and he's heard them so long, so he's entitled to use them to express his own feelings or set a mood. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Pain
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:54:24 PM | Okay, I'm just a transplanted Canadian who doesn't get a vote yet, but here goes, lol.
I could care less who McCain picked. . . It was irrelevant after last night!
Not sure which night you are talking about, but....Bill Clinton's speech was frickin brilliant, he's definitely still got his power of charisma and the gift of the gab, I have to say. Oh...you didn't mean Clinton's speech? lol Sorry, but I'm still aggravated that I'm still REALLY waiting for Obama to actually SAY or DO something! lol At least Bill Clinton DID something for the 'regular people' yanno?
From the OP:
What do you think?
I have to admit, I think it was a pretty smart move on McCain's part to choose a woman as his running mate. Damned near brilliant, in fact. And, I'm pretty sure that at this point, McCain probably would have researched her background enough to know whether or not the possible "ethics investigation" was going to carry through to fruition or not, before he chose her. It's a smart move, I think.
Again, I say that sadly, this truly was the "Democrats' election to lose"....McCain is pretty much tied in the polls now, give or take, and the announcement of Joe Biden (who was always my favourite) hasn't really affected things much to date. It should be interesting to see in a few days what the announcement of McCain's choice does in the polls. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:54:24 PM |
Roe v. Wade was one of the most important achievements of the women's movement, and sending American women back into the dangerous place we were in before 1973 canNOT be described as a feminist goal
And yet, Norma McCovey (Jane Roe) has recounted her entire story.
"At the time of the case, she (Norma McCovey) claimed her pregnancy was the result of rape, but she now admits that she was lying. At one point, she went so far as to give a detailed account of her rape. Her (at the time) alleged rape was not mentioned or used in the arguments for Roe v. Wade, because the attorneys had determined McCorvey's claims to be questionable. McCorvey went public with her identity in the 1980s
McCorvey now claims she became the "pawn" of two young and ambitious lawyers (including Sarah Weddington) who were looking for a plaintiff whom they could use to challenge the Texas state law prohibiting abortion
On August 10, 1995, she became an adovcate for pro-life. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 6:56:25 PM | ^^^^ So?
Edit: Look, I'm not saying that everyone who is against abortion choice is a bad person, in my eyes, or that they can't have some good and thoughtful and intelligent ideas and even hold some positions that I would whole heartedly agree with. But I'm sorry, I just see abortion choice as so fundamental to feminism, that I can't even begin to imagine how someone REALLY concerned with women's issues to the extent that they would identify themself as a feminist, could be against it.
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 7:00:42 PM |
According to your analysis, an advocate of ANTHING, from anti-choice laws to the right of men to kill their wives, could yet be considered "feminist," as long as the person involved CALLED him or herself a feminist.
"the right of men to kill their wives" is illegal and so extreme that your argument is bogus~
pro life and feminism is NOT mutually exclusive
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2070872/posts
and
feminist for life . org
BTW Palin is a member of this feminist group~
you may not define HER as a feminist, but again, that is your right to have that OPINION | |
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