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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin Posted: 8/30/2008 12:46:54 PM |
She kicked Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson butt. She stood up to the MOST powerful lobby there is.... The contract was let to another company in the interest of taxpayers.... The need to prevent corruption in the Oil/Government relationship is one of her strongest accomplishments and should play huge to those that whine about the Bush/Cheney connection.
The dem's are so upset about McCaine's selection of the vp, it must be the right choice The best thing going is how much the Dems underestimate her.
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin Posted: 8/30/2008 12:54:32 PM | The REAL reason McCain picked Palin (aside from her beauty...lol!):
There has been a LOT of controversy over Obama's views on ABORTION, especially his stance on Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA). Since America is still divided on this issue, I believe that McCain has brought in Palin to win over Social Conservative Pro-Lifers and hoping that women will vote for her based on Gender even if they disagree with her on her Anti-Choice stance.
HERE'S HER PRO-LIFE VIEWS:
"Sarah is strongly pro-life. She and her husband, Todd, (they were celebrating their 20th wedding anniversary on Friday) have five children. Todd is a commercial fisherman and production operator who also cares for the children during his wife's gubernatorial duties. Their oldest boy joined the US Army last year, on Sept. 11th, and is scheduled to deploy to Iraq in a couple weeks. Their youngest, a down-syndrome baby boy born this past spring, slept peacefully in his big sister's arms, as his mother was introduced as John McCain's running mate Friday morning.
In the eyes of those who find abortion acceptable, a woman and mother with such an intensive career outside the home might have "a reason"—upon finding out that she is pregnant with a down-syndrome baby—to end the pregnancy. (Recent statistics show that in the US, approximately 90% of Down Syndrome diagnoses end with the mother choosing abortion.) But, in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News, Sarah candidly stated, "We knew through early testing he would face special challenges, and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives. We have faith that every baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place. We are truly blessed."
What are yout thoughts on Sarah Palin's PRO-LIFE stance? | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin Posted: 8/30/2008 1:01:03 PM |
What are yout thoughts on Sarah Palin's PRO-LIFE stance?
First of all, I'd like to know your source on the 90% of people aborting babies they find out have a risk of DOWN's. (Incidentally, that test is performed in the first trimester).
My thoughts on Palin's pro life stance--for someone to be so pro life that they would see someone endure a pregnancy and the remainder of the mother's life raising a child that was the product of rape or incest, that someone has to be pretty closed minded. I'm also guessing she had such a charmed life that rape and incest have never darkened her doorstep. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin Posted: 8/30/2008 1:03:51 PM | I'm going with the smart people...
Gallup Poll: Candidate Support by Education August 18-24 2008
High School or less: Obama 42% McCain 45%
Some College: Obama 42% McCain 47%
College Graduate: Obama 48% McCain 46%
Post Graduate: Obama 56% McCain 38% | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin Posted: 8/30/2008 1:13:07 PM | Here's the link on Palin's PRO-LIFE stance:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/29/mccain-to-name-running-mate-on-friday/
The McCain Campaign has clarified that ABORTION should be allowed in only 3 cases:
1. RAPE
2. INCEST
3. SAFETY OF THE MOTHER
The Obama Campaign lists the exact same reasons for Abortion.
Abortion should NOT be used as:
1. BIRTH CONTROL METHOD
2. LACK OF FINANCES/RESOURCES
3. DOWN SYNDROME/DISEASE
4. DON'T WANT/NOT READY FOR BABY/TOO YOUNG
5. PREMEDITATED MURDER
Anyone disagree??? | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin Posted: 8/30/2008 1:42:57 PM | What are yout thoughts on Sarah Palin's PRO-LIFE stance?
I am pro-choice and while I am a man, I think a woman should be able to make those choices herself, hopefully with some input from the fetus's father. I don't think the government should be telling women what to do with their bodies.
Now if I was presented with a circumstance such as Sarah Palin's, I too would have chose to have the child. Oh and btw my daughter was conceived out of wedlock, her mother and I decided to marry and have the child, abortion was never even considered, but atleast no one was telling us it wasn't an option. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP schtick is Sarah Pain Posted: 8/30/2008 1:58:18 PM | Slowride. . . Even I didn't catch that one. . . Bravo my friend, bravo. . .
Ready for something fun? How about something true? The average college graduate earns MORE than one million dollars MORE over his/her lifetime than a non-college graduate. So, what does your common sense tell you about that?
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| It looks like McCain's VP schtick is Sarah Pain Posted: 8/30/2008 2:05:51 PM |
Those stat's just seem to show that the more booksmarts you have, the less common sense you have.
Yes, obviously the people with the greatest common sense are pre schoolers who have never received any schooling.
Just to be clear, Palin has stated, no abortion even in cases of rape or incest. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin Posted: 8/30/2008 2:07:00 PM | The statistics of educated people supporting obama are significant. The "cultural" divide, in the end, comes down to an issue of style much more than substance. The fact that obama taught constitutional law and repeatedly alludes to complex ideals makes grad school types and lawyers love him, while it makes pragmatists (not always uneducated) say, please get to the point. Obamas main contributions come from university employees, law firm employees and some businesses, whereas Mccain has no law firms or universities in his top 10, though he does have financial contributors such as jp morgan and goldman sachs (who have also contributed in obamas top ten).
Obama's style, which many mccain/palin supporters will see as wishy washy or non-commital resonate the most with lawyers and academics. While mccain's style (and this new night mare, palin) the maverick type who will, for instance, not show up to meet with the oil execs at all, just as mccain will stand up in a pow hearing and leave the room if he disagrees with something, these actions are interpreted as "strong" by people who prefer to see the world as simple, or certainly, not as complex as "crybaby" academics, environmental scientists, lawyers, treaties, diplomats will have you believe it is. They prefer to rely on "common sense" not a multi-point of view perspective, because decisions become much more difficult the more debate is entertained. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP schtick is Sarah Pain Posted: 8/30/2008 2:10:27 PM |
Palin MUST agree with McCain POLITICALLY (maybe not personally). Therefore, Rape, Incest, and Harm to Woman are valid reasons for an abortion Republicanly.
Well unless she actually gets to do something, which means McCain has been taken out of play.
something not to unlikely in a man in his 70's with a history of cancer. | |
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| First polls not good for Palin Posted: 8/30/2008 2:11:17 PM | USA Today VP Question: Based on what you know, do you think he/she is qualified to serve as president if it becomes necessary? Yes, qualified: Palin 39% Biden 57%
No, not qualified: Palin 33% Biden 18%
No opinion Palin 29% Biden 26%
Article: http://www.editorandpublisher.com
The first national polls on John McCain's pick of Sarah Palin yesterday came out today from Rasmussen and Gallup -- and contrary to what the GOP probably hoped, she scored less well with women than men.
Here's a finding from Gallup: Among Democratic women -- including those who may be disappointed that Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic nomination -- 9% say Palin makes them more likely to support McCain, 15% less likely.
From Rasmussen: Some 38% of men said they were more likely to vote for McCain now, but only 32% of women. By a narrow 41% to 35% margin, men said she was not ready to be president -- but women soundly rejected her, 48% to 25%.
Only 9% of Obama supporters said they might be more likely to vote for McCain.
Overall, voters expressed a favorable impression of her by a 53/26 margin, but there was a severe gender gap on this: Men embraced her at 58% to 23%, while for women it was 48/30.
And by a 29/44 margin, men and women together, they do not believe that she is ready to be President.
As for voters not affiliated with either major party, 37% are more likely to vote for McCain and 28% less likely to do so.
Gallup is now out with its own initial poll. It also shows women with a slightly less favorable view of Palin. An excerpt from USA Today:
There is wide uncertainty about whether she's qualified to be president. In the poll, taken Friday, 39% say she is ready to serve as president if needed, 33% say she isn't and 29% have no opinion.
That's the lowest vote of confidence in a running mate since the elder George Bush chose then-Indiana senator Dan Quayle to join his ticket in 1988. In comparison, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden was seen as qualified by 57%-18% after Democrat Barack Obama chose him as a running mate last week.....
Among all those surveyed, 35% call Obama's speech at Invesco Field at Mile High Stadium Thursday night excellent, 23% good, 15% "just OK," 3% poor and 4% "terrible." Sixteen percent say they didn't see it and 14% have no opinion. That's higher than the ratings for acceptance speeches by President Bush and Democrat John Kerry in 2004, by Bush and Democrat Al Gore in 2000 and by Republican Bob Dole in 1996.
Asked about the Democratic convention's impact, 43% say it makes them more likely to vote for Obama, 29% less likely. Nineteen percent say it won't make a difference. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP schtick is Sarah Pain Posted: 8/30/2008 2:25:15 PM |
Ready for something fun? How about something true? The average college graduate earns MORE than one million dollars MORE over his/her lifetime than a non-college graduate. So, what does your common sense tell you about that?
So, common sense tells you that you should get an education. But the more educated you are the less common sense you have. The less common sense you have, the less it talks to you. The less it talks to you, the less likely you to keep educating yourself. So depending on when you run out of common sense....
See, proves my point, post grads have the most common sense. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin Posted: 8/30/2008 2:31:39 PM |
"It to me like Mzzzz Palin and her family are some major manipulators."
Kinda like the Clintons, huh?
Ahhh yes. Let's not address the issue, when all else fails lets blame the Clinton's! This is the most tired of deflections. That circular logic that comes around to it's most basic childhood form, "He hit me. Noooo, he hit me first." | |
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| First polls not good for Palin Posted: 8/30/2008 2:32:00 PM | Slowride,
Interesting numbers. I have to think palin's confidence nubers will fluctuate a lot in the next two months, as she is relatively unknown.
Bidens will probably stay where they are, because he is quite well known. (It also explains why they are high).
Also, I'm not surprised that more independent men are accepting of palin. Libertarian/independents who are likely to vote barr or nader are a target for mccain as far as winning votes. Men in these groups will not be bothered by the strong pro_life stance and will like the wilderness/small town/no gun control aspect of palin. They are also a key undecided demo. Not just women and "puma"s.
I am not moved by the argument that redwine keeps making that we don't know obama. The press has crawled up his @ss and out his nose and the best dirt anyone has found has been about people loosely associated to him being radical many years before they'd met, or similar.
The first bump we hear about palin is that SHE abused he measley little drop of power with inappropriate firings.
And as for the clintons abusing power...you guys may not know this, but the clintons are not running this time :) | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin Posted: 8/30/2008 2:32:41 PM |
Oh, who are we kidding: he looked at her and said Hey, nice tits! Wanna be my veep? We'll get lots of cun...I mean women to vote for me that way! Careful now, you're showing the intelligence of the average Democratic voter. | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP schtick is Sarah Pain Posted: 8/30/2008 2:32:49 PM | What do you think about Obama's personal refusal to criticise Palin's inexperience even though his Election Campaign issued a criticism about her Foreign Policy Inexperience? Shouldn't the Candidate and the Campaign be in HARMONY?
IS PALIN REALLY MORE OF THE SAME??? | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP schtick is Sarah Pain Posted: 8/30/2008 2:50:51 PM | She is no stranger to me....I've been sending her office protest email for years...she's permitted wolves to be hunted from helicopters, amid rumors of taking big bucks from Safari Club International and other pro hunting lobbyists...
And let's get one thing straight from the beginning, before I get pegged a namby pamby bambi lover. I'm pro hunting for food and pro weapons. However, I oppose sport hunting, particularly with semi autos. It's not very "sporting" at all. And no one is going to eat a wolf.
and I'll just quote the LA Times now.....
In her two years in office, Palin has given every indication that she intends to continue stocking the larder. She favors the construction of one of the world's largest mining complexes at the headwaters of Bristol Bay, home to the world's largest sockeye salmon fishery. Palin opposes greater protections for beluga whales found in the Cook Inlet, where oil and gas drilling and other development is proposed. And unlike her running mate, Palin favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a recurring issue of debate during the Bush administration.
and this:
She has stood up to the federal government, a politically popular posture in Alaska. In May, the state gave notice that it would sue the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to prevent the inclusion of the polar bear on the endangered species list as "threatened" as a consequence of shrinking Arctic ice caused by global warming.
Such a listing could be used to block drilling in the Arctic, which Palin supports.
Palin told federal officials that the state did a "comprehensive review" of the science and found no reason to support a listing. But an internal e-mail message from the head of the state Department of Fish and Game's marine mammals program and two other staff biologists agreed with the Department of Interior's conclusions that the science justified the listing. Palin did not publicly release the state's report.
"The governor's decision was clearly based on politics, not on science, and was primarily designed to protect the oil and gas industry stampede into the Arctic Ocean," said Steiner, the University of Alaska marine biologist.
By Julie Cart, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer August 30, 2008
if her stances of drumming up state money over conserving her state's natural treasures continue to the White House, we're in for serious trouble..... | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP schtick is Sarah Pain Posted: 8/30/2008 3:14:34 PM |
Obama has voted party line on every occasion. This myth about him changing things is pure Dem. fantasy.
Obama was unknown when he started his run. He has no froeign policy experience. He has questionable contacts. The only difference between him and Palin is her fearlessness in taking on corruption... even in her own party. Palin represents real change and unlike Obama she has the record to back it up.
The above is exactly what Obama, camp & Democrats fear the most right now. That the Palin pick will now override the pomp and frills of the DNC in Co and Obama didn't receive the equiv. of the 28 pt bump that Kennedy did. After all, this entire set-up by the Dems has been to try and mimic the excitement of the Kennedy campaign/years.
But.... the dark horse came to be, with actual executive experience to her credit and the oratory skills to match and surpass even the Obama.
Common sense states that the Democrats are aghast at what to do now. First thing was an insult to Palin which Obama apologized for and termed quote 'a hair trigger' response unquote. Whereas when Biden was selected, there was no negativity from the McCain camp at all.
I'm like Oprah felt for the DNC Obamania... well... it's not exactly as she stated...since she said it was the best thing ever to happen to her..in her life.. I mean I consider family and friends the best things to happen in my life... however, the choice of Palin is definitely an uplift and total energizing force.
Many have and will classify her as a 'neocon'. Which is what I've been called here time and time and time again. Maybe it will become PCish to be a Neoconservative now.
McCain/Palin! | |
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is................................ Posted: 8/30/2008 3:18:06 PM |
"As for that V.P. talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day?
Well, on the face of that statement alone, she gets my nod as a wise choice for McCain's VP pick (while perhaps simultaneously disqualifying herself?)* ... because really, its a damn good question.
What exactly does a Replublican VP actually devote himself to accomplishing most days?
If we go by the last eight years, the job description would seem to indicate the following duties:
1. Working closely with lobbying interests, in closed commissions, in drafting American energy policy, and addressing other critical domestic agenda, like: the privatization of Social Security, enabling corprate clients in exporting American jobs, enhancing corporate loopholes for tax avoidance while simultaneously promoting Wealthfare for the people that really matter, one's friends and donors.
Sounds like a simple matter, but there is really a lot to do, if on takes into account the sheer number of lobbyists one is required to meet with, and skirting press attention while doing so, which makes it doubly hard.
2. Working closely among those with blatantly vested interests in 'ginning up' Mideastern wars and fomenting of other global tensions in the shaping of American foreign policy.
Again, this is much harder than it sounds, in that one spends considerable time in forming commisions with policy wonks and PR firms in drafting how the particular war will be both unveiled and launched, and there are any number of items on the daily 'to do list', like:
1. Set up blue star committee (WHIG) to orchestrate the plan and delegate the various responsibilities like launching the initial propaganda campaign, the creation of official dissident organizations like the Iraqi National Congress, getting compliant 'journalists' on board, the setting up of rump units within the Pentagon and 'intelligence' agencies themselves. Deciding the overall plan, establishing the rational and pretext, and the date for 'product launch', you don't do it in August, but in September.
As you can see there is a whole hell of a lot to do behind the scenes; working with think tanks that draft the policy papers, to meetings with AIPAC, JINSA, WINEP, The Hertage Foundation, and AEI; engineering the press 'leaks', brow beating the CIA, castigating the UN, and forming contingency plans for dealing with the inevietable political rivals like Joe Wilson and uppity Generals; before dealing with the public appearances and responsibilities of the VP, not to mention the boilerplate political work one does as VP of sidelining the opposition and their policies.
So, its no wonder that Sarah Palin actually asks the question; which, to her credit, sort of does call into question of her suitability for the position, while simultaneously revealing McCain's political savy in drafting her.
So, does Sarah Palin have the right stuff to be the VP?
On the face of it, as a principalled person from all reports, she seems singularly unsuited to operate with the Machievellian intent and corrupt dedication of****Cheney as she does seem to embrace the quaint notion that public officials actually work for all of the people. That quaint notion however does not bode well for a VP as the role is entirely and completely intended to be one of a staunchly partisan manipulator and political enforcer. To her credit she seems unsuiatble to that role.
So, on the domestic side of the agenda, being a principalled fiscal conservative runs counter to the overall aims of the GOP and one could only hope that she might confront them all on the sheer idiocy of Republican economic policy ... deficits do matter Mr Bush and Mr Cheney, but I sort of doubt she would be allowed to do that if John McCain intends to keep his word. From what I've heard so far I wish she were calling the economic shots but that is not the way this works.
On international relations and foreign affairs she has already signed onto the rhetoric of the GOP but who knows how deep that really might run ... both parties are now completely infiltrated by neoconservative policy wonks and coopted by both AIPAC and the Military Industrial Private Contractor Congressional Complex ... that I don't know if we might ever really see a change in our lifetimes.
Obama and Biden are nearly as bad ... as Obama has made it a point to kiss AIPAC's ass, and Biden proudly proclaims himself a Zionist ... and both parties are wrong, wrong, and wrong, about Iran, Putin, Georgia, Russia, and South Ossetia.
The biggest 'change' we could make to alter the American trajectory would be to 'sideline' and 'isolate' all three entities that are causing so much internal distortion and global calamity ... the neocon Zionists, AIPAC, and Israel itself, but the last public figure to do that in any significant way was George Herbert Walker Bush back in 92, which ultimately cost him losing the Presidency.
As a pragmatist he was absolutely correct in confronting Israel; and Sarah Palin seems to operate on pragmatism as well ... and in certain ways I think the only party truly capable of politically challenging both the Military Profit Complex and Israel is the GOP ... if the notion ever struck them to do so ... and with Sarah Palin's son on the front lines in Iraq ... I suppose it might eventually come to be ... if she is truly as smart and principalled as she seems to be ... but I wouldn't place bets or gamble on it.
Overall, I think Obama's statement about her is correct ... She is a compelling person. I suppose we will need to wait to see if she can actually retain her intergrity, and I would not underestimate her. Joe Biden will need to tread carefully which sort of nullifies his strength in the debates and his attack dog role, but again we will need to wait and see how Palin plays it.
IMHO I happen to think McCain made an excellent choice in drafting her as his VP running mate, but it doesn't alter my choice or voting strategy.
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| It looks like McCain's VP pick is................................ Posted: 8/30/2008 3:23:38 PM | WOMAN FOR MCCAIN!! WOMAN FOR MCCAIN!! WOMAN FOR MCCAIN!!
hahahaha! Did you see all those Signs and Chants during the VP Rally. Crazy! This is all a Gender Pull by the seedy McSeedy. Can't anyone else see through this!!
BIDEN > PALIN!! | |
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