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Posted: 9/16/2008 8:47:12 AM | my point about the boosters didn't come out right,i will correct it.boosters claim to boost your testo levels,testo is a steroid and is very highly regulated.the boosters are for the most part unregulated do to the fact they do nothing,or almost noting.yet,slipping them into a persons diet could have unknown side affects or an allergic reaction from the ingredients not to mention a pissed off person that trusted you.further,i tried boosters in between blood tests,nothing,no difference at all.waste of money. | |
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Posted: 9/17/2008 3:49:50 PM |
I believe an astounding majority of men over 35 reach a state of spasmodic senility, a trait particularly apparent when their player ways have not been tainted by the charms (or any other sustained influence) of a woman.
Now again, it could be just my perception.
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Posted: 9/17/2008 4:07:16 PM |
...an astounding majority of men over 35 reach a state of spasmodic senility...
LOL...you might be right...
here's my take, still much like yours...i suggest they haven't learned to interact effectively with their playmates in such a way that she feels like she's an equal player in their game... | |
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Posted: 9/18/2008 1:04:39 PM | Been out of town on business but after reading this I want to elaborate a little more. I WOULD NEVER condone or suggest slipping something illegal or legal into anyone’s food or drink. I was actually joking about that. In fact I think I put a laughing face in after that to try and indicate that.
The fact is that testosterone is a VERY POWERFUL anabolic steroid and should NEVER be taken unless prescribed by a Dr. and blood tests should always be done routinely when on testosterone replacement therapy. Overly high testosterone levels can have severe side effects. Some of major ones are increased risk of prostate cancer and gynocomastia. (Man boobs)
One of the main drawbacks to long term testosterone replacement therapy is that it shuts down your body’s natural hormone production system just like taking any other anabolic steroid does. When/if you stop taking it your body in almost all cases will produce less testosterone then before you started taking it. This is why professional bodybuilders do post cycle therapy after a testosterone or any other steroid cycle. To get their body back to producing testosterone and other hormones on their own.
About testosterone boosters. There is NO over the counter supplements that can directly increase testosterone levels. What they can do is make the body increase production of luteinizing hormones (LH) and other substances which can triger the body to produce testosterone naturally. As we age our LH levels decrease just like testosterone. It's pretty well accepted that tribulus terrestris can naturally boost levels of LH -- the increased LH then leads to more healthy testosterone production once again.
Everyone’s results may vary using nonprescription natural test boosters. Personally I started using them about 2 years ago and swear by them. After about 2 months of use my total test level increased by about 18% but more importantly my free test increased about 65% and has remained in the upper normal range all along. The nice thing is that it's all done naturally so if I ever decide to quit taking it my bodies natural production system won't be shut down. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2008 3:17:23 PM | i stand corrected,"tribulus terrestris"does work,and is a cheap alternative,as long as you get it from a reputable supplier.but it can be easily counterfeited with about anything that grows.one of the reasons i prefer the prescription.i have gained about 10%muscle mass.one side affect is it increased appetite,and you will gain weight if you are not careful.i did,and now that i know,its going back down minus the extra mass.three squares with salad,fiber,ect,and dexatrim or any name brand over the counter to help keep you from snacking,or over eating in between,and exercise.not sure about off cycles on testim 1% ,i don't think its that strong,takes several months to boost your levels,then you can adjust the dosage accordingly.my case,no more that one tube daily.i had other problems,torn rotator cuff that can no longer be repaired,got much of my function/motion back in that arm,like a miracle for me.hit the weights again,carefully,punching bag,things i never thought i would ever do again are coming back.my case,benefits out weighted any side affects,i could not imagine a life just sitting around and just walking to excersize.anyways,like to hear some more,great post,kudos to the one that posted it. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2008 4:47:40 PM | Well, I have a question for you guys.
Women know that yam helps to maintain estrogen levels. One a day, or there abouts. Of course, you have to still have your ovaries. Soy was considered good for this as well...but that is fallen out of favor.
So....do you know of foods which help with testerone levels? Or herbs?
I'm a natural kind of gal...and I might need this info...just in case...someday.... ...know what I mean?! | |
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Posted: 9/19/2008 5:05:17 PM | | tribulus terrestris,is herbal.am sure there are others.some peoples levels are so low,i doubt herbals will help.i am about done with my regimen.have the use of my arm,and at least until blood tests show different,i will go back to,"tribulus terrestris"also.guy had a good point. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2008 5:21:36 PM | Thanks...I had never heard of that until this thread. I really didn't need to know...but, now...well, I just might!
My last guy was 62 with no problems. Lucky guy. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2008 5:48:07 PM | Advanced Testosterone Formula contains a potent standardized extract of Eurycoma longifolia, commonly known as Tongkat Ali or Long Jack (LJ100). This rare herb extract contains bioactive Eurypeptides, the active constituents of Tongkat Ali. Clinical and non-clinical studies have shown that Tongkat Ali extracts support male reproductive function and healthy testosterone levels. Tribulus has been included for its virility supporting effects as shown in scientific studies. Advanced Testosterone Formula also contains ZMA, a synergistic combination of zinc and magnesium for the support of healthy immune, reproductive and neuromuscular function. This combination of ingredients in Advanced Testosterone Formula provides enhanced energy levels without the anxiety or insomnia that accompanies other energy supplements, as well as overall support for men's health.
Advanced Testosterone Formula (formerly known as TestoJack) is specifically recommended for men over 30 years old, men trying to support reproductive health, men trying to support normal testosterone levels, men seeking nutritional virility support, men seeking support of energy levels, and men or women seeking a mutual intimate support formula. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2008 6:29:43 PM | interesting reactions, OP. but if you think about it, not all that far off from reactions to menapause and whether it does or does not exist, or towards such topics as "depression" or "addiction". it's like someone "without" cancer, will point to someone "with" it and say it's their fault. "if only " they would have done this or not done that. well sure, some things are obvious, but many people get cancer for heriditary or environmental reasons, that have nothing to do with their own value as a human being. same with menapause or it's male counterpart. in fact, there have been studies where men's temperatures have gone up and down in sync with their spouse's menstrual cycles. so, we are a lot more biological than we'd want to admit, because if we admitted, we'd have to then deal with lack of "control".
clearly there are many different sources of male "distress". my guess is if you keep boiling things down to the lowest common denominator, you might begin to see that there is more "relationship" than random personality traits that drop out of the sky.
biochemically, hormones and neurotransmitters are very similar and interrelated. on top of all that you have the structure of the brain and many different patterns and uptake mechanisms, as well as different areas of the brain, responding to the same neurotransmitters in different ways. some of this is developmental and some inherited. the research on many children raised in traumatic environments, actually documents the brain closing down and preparing for war, kind of like the fight or flight response. my point being, there are numerous reasons why people are simply different.
so, if a person reads your list, and sees that "possibly" insufficient testosterone may be a contributing factor, then why the h-ll not find out? well, for one, he may be too depressed or resigned and may not even have the energy to do that touted exercise. low testosterone levels can do that for sure! not much different than any other hormonal reaction. furthermore, many men with "ED" are embarrassed. they do not want anyone to know or their shame just makes them give up. even moreso for a single who is out there in the meat market. then of course, insurors don't want to add cost. so, if you have an HMO doc, forget it. s/he works on cost containment bonuses! the more recent and maverick the research, the less "apt" your doc will want to get your labs documented. and then there is the individual.... who may or may not be willing to spend the buck to find out.
so, i will tell you this as a prior health care strategy consultant and one who has done some research on this topic. there are tests to evaluate not only the hormonal level in your blood, but also the uptake factor. if it's just floating around in your blood and not being used, what good is it? same for levels of thyroid and other hormones.
if, you have low testosterone levels on both counts or especially the uptake level, there are ways via the skin and not the digestive system to get you the testosterone that you need. i have a very brilliant male doctor who has given testosterone to both men and women to assist with their lack of sexual drive. he says it works. i know for me, w/o natural estrogen replacement, i hardly have any energy. plus, i get the less dangerous estrogens, which some pharmaceutical companies don't give a hoot about differentiating.
this area is a specialty area. it seems to me, that if you are having problems, it's worthy of investigation. if you are not, why fix something that ain't broke? however, do not start judging someone who needs this sort of assistance "until" you walk in their shoes. if you are so lethargic, you don't care, that is a biggie. maybe you can identify people in your life who you trust, and get them to help you put a move on and go seek help. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2008 6:51:04 PM | well,you missed one thing.all the symptoms you described,could also be a range of other maladies,early diabetes,colon cancer,alcoholism and or drug abuse,smoking,obesity,poor diet,and one that seems to be your favorite,mental disorder.remember when doctors used to,and some still do,tell a women its all in her mind,gave her valium, and anti depressants,she was cured?if you are going to get technical,then at least cover it all. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2008 11:18:52 PM | this is why you need a "good" physical and a comprehensive one. but, be your own "educated" general contractor or you may just have your lights turned off by the plumber, accidentally! know your lab tests and know your hormone tests. there are also neurotransmitter tests! but, you may have to pay for them. to me, it's worth it, if you are not "up to par". what is key is to know, if it's floating around in your blood, it doesn't necessarily mean your body can access it. this is why they have t3 and t4 tests for thyroid, as well as an antibody test for autoimmune conditions.
for example, even recently, the normal range of a good thyroid level has been challenged. why? because, supposedly normal blood levels were identified with abnormal ranges of thyroid antibodies and a full range of symptoms. so, it finally dawned on someone that, maybe, the test parameters were wrong. they are still fighting. the delivery system, of course, does not want to pay for more tests and more prescriptions!
some of us were lucky to find the mavericks. typically it takes at least ten years for research findings to "trickle down" to the practicing physician. often patients find solutions even before their doctors. this is one really good thing about the internet, in particular "pubmed". it pays to do your homework. then, YOU decide what you want to investigate and pay for--maybe even fight to get your insurance to pay for it!
how many of you "guys" would hire someone carte blanche to design and build a house for you, w/o any input or investigation into alternatives? if you would, then you may have some difficulty in this area as well. but, if you can see the parallel, then you have some hope! again, only if it's broke. otherwise, just file this "concept" in your head, should you need it in the future.
one of the known marketing issues with respect to health care delivery is that men do not seek out health care. married men are "taken" to their physicians by their wives. numerous marketers and providers are constantly banging heads as to how to deal with the single man, when it comes to just basic prevention, let alone recent findings by researchers and innovators. often men come too late for help. if they had come earlier, they would have avoided disability and /or death! it appears, out of sight, out of mind. sometimes that's good, but if you continue to have symptoms, then it's not so good. that is called "denial" or maybe blind faith in a professional who does not know everything. it's like expecting your plumber to know advanced electronics! or vice versa (to be fair to plumbers!). | |
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Posted: 9/20/2008 12:32:49 PM | they have products that convert the t4 into the faster metabolizing t3,but,i would think a little less eating and moderate esize would do the same thing.i mean, we all age different,she makes some good clinical points,most do not understand that at all.medicine cannot deal with everything.am not saying doctors are wrong,the tests rarely lie,many things can be treated with a little common sense.she is right in another point,most men do not want to ask a doctor about sex problems,period.well,get over it,i think we need to be open,if anything,to maybe live a little longer.i don't want to end up like my folks,think these changes are normal,and just wait to die.i want a full life,you think its an accident women out live us?they are always talking about these things,and reading magazines,everywhere you go,they have warnings for women to take this test,or evaluate something else!sometimes,you will see something about the male prostrate over tv while eating a corned beef sandwich,then forget it.i want to see my son graduate college,and bring my grandkids over.i want to live a full life,with sex if possible!!!so keep writing,"serenitycw",and others,some of these hard heads may actually listen and do something before its too late. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2008 7:37:40 PM | boy, am i confused...i've been reading about all these otc meds for testosterone enhancement...i've been following links for the past hour and still can't decide which is the active ingredient...and how it works...
here's an idea...just do the bio-identical testosterone...it's a cream...it's about $80 a month from a compounding pharmacy and you are guaranteed to get the "real" results you seek...testosterone is the master hormone for men...enhance it and you get a cascade affect for all the rest...
i just like things to be a little simpler than what i'm reading here... | |
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Posted: 9/20/2008 8:00:01 PM | tried it,nada,best thing is "testim 1% prescribed by a doctor.all those over the counter/internet creams are synthetic with very small amounts,you would need the whole bottle every day for it to work.good natural alternate is,"
TRIBULUS TERRESTRIS".getanabolics dot com is a good source for many products you may seek.try that one. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2008 8:31:12 PM |
...all those over the counter/internet creams are synthetic with very small amounts...
i'm thinking you misunderstood what i suggested...bio-identical testosterone is not OTC...it's by prescription only...must be prescribed by a physician...must be compounded for strength and purity...
within 3 weeks my t-readings went from 283 to 1,900...that was way too high but my honey sure loved the endless hard results it created...now, i'm back down around 1,300...about normal for a 30 year old male which is the target reading for my supplement program... | |
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Posted: 9/20/2008 8:43:24 PM | after looking at the website for your choice in t-cream, here's what i discovered about it's side effects...Acne, application site reaction, breast enlargement, emotional instability, headache, high blood pressure, and prostate disorder...
have you had any of those occur for you?
after 19 months, i've had no side effects of my t-cream...of course, i apply it differently than you are told to do in that video...after two hours, mine can't be transferred to anyone who comes in contact with the application site...just some things to consider... | |
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Posted: 9/20/2008 11:33:39 PM | | no,most of those are extremes.i did gain weight,but that was my fault,it increases appetite.i started lifting and walking and slowly getting back to normal,still have to lose more.as for the man boobs,any man that gains weight fast will get them,i think its from lack of test,not more,pushups,bench press,walking,will take care of that.other steroids will cause an increase in estrogen,thus man boobs,look at rick flair.testim replaces the exact same thing your body produces,therefore the side effects are minimal if you use it right and maintain regular blood tests,you will gain muscle fast,10% in 6 months without weights.just like any drug,too much is an overdose,and you will get side effects.as for you system shutting down,thats bull,if that were the case,i would have to add another tube every blood test when in fact i had to reduce my dosage.using anabolic steroids will cause that(estrogen),and a variety of other problems,including roid rage,boobs,shut down your own production,not good at your age.if you are taking roids,better go in cycles to include anti estrogens,but you are young and asking for trouble,best leave them alone,go for the cutting products that increase your own production and use protein.they cost more,but are proven,mark mgguire was a classic example. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2008 6:52:24 AM | one of the known marketing issues with respect to health care delivery is that men do not seek out health care. married men are "taken" to their physicians by their wives. numerous marketers and providers are constantly banging heads as to how to deal with the single man, when it comes to just basic prevention, let alone recent findings by researchers and innovators. often men come too late for help. if they had come earlier, they would have avoided disability and /or death! it appears, out of sight, out of mind. sometimes that's good, but if you continue to have symptoms, then it's not so good. that is called "denial..."
So why do men avoid a kind of precognitive knowledge of their mortality? A lot of men probably would states that we're going to die after all, that it's not worth the hundreds of thousands of dollars to live just a few more years (free of pain?), and that even above their own healths is the principle of privacy, liberty and freedom. This may be one of the things that makes men a paradox: that despite the urge and nature for logic and rationale, men do a very illogical thing regarding their healths. They deny or ignore it. ANd yes, I think it has to do a lot more with being independent than believing they are immortals.
Then there are the men we know who watch everythings they eat, breathe and even the people with whom they associate. Frankly I prefer the former; they are much more man-like and less melodramatics in my opinion. | |
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