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Posted: 9/21/2008 7:21:11 AM | melodramatics?please,enlighten me,what makes you afraid to have a checkup yearly?i have not spent millions of dollars on preventative care,in fact,my insurance covers my visits,minus a $15-30 co pay,and $1 per prescription.now,and this is conjecture,many men go through a mid life crisis,and i would think this makes them,you included feel a little old and weak!as for living just a few more years,that also depends on age,health,eating right,and you can eat junk,just add other good things so you don't over do it.c'mon man,use a little common sense.you are afraid,admit it,go the doctor,maybe you next photo will have a lady in it instead of your dog.oh,and there is another post about people sleeping with their dogs,you may find it interesting.good luck friend. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2008 10:27:32 AM | "in the body called Sex Binding Hormone Globulin, or SHBG, is increasing. SHBG traps much of the testosterone that is still circulating and makes it unavailable to exert its effects in the body's tissues. What's left over does the beneficial work and is known as "bioavailable" testosterone.
Andropause is associated with low (bioavailable) testosterone levels. Every man experiences a decline of bioavailable testosterone but some men's levels dip lower than others. And when this happens these men can experience andropausal symptoms.
When there is less testosterone available to do its work, the testosterone target-organ response decreases, bringing about many changes.
There is great variability in testosterone levels among healthy men so not all will experience the same changes to the same extent. But typical responses to low bioavailable testosterone levels include:
Low sex drive
Emotional, psychological and behavioral changes
Decreased muscle mass
Loss of muscle strength
Increased upper and central body fat
Osteoporosis or weak bones and back pain
Cardiovascular risk"
Woman, you certainly know how to talk dirty and sexy and exciting. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2008 5:27:36 PM | Msg #127....Andropause is associated with low (bioavailable) testosterone levels.
this is all correct...still, it's only a portion of the problem...low t-test in way younger men is easily accounted for this way...as men (and women) age, their hormones are produced in smaller quantities...for women, it typically occurs in 1-3 years...for men in may take 15 or more...
many lifestyle choices also account for lower t-levels in men...smoking, alcohol, drugs...diets devoid of fat...the list is quite long...if everything else is good, then age is the factor that eventually gets them...
some studies have shown that men in their 50s may have higher estrogen levels than their wifes...shbg's are a big factor in that, since they block t-receptors in such a way that only estrogen can bind there...men with estrogen levels higher than 30 are in this boat...the higher the number goes, the fewer t-recetors that are available...and the more they are affected by andropause symptons... | |
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Posted: 9/21/2008 9:02:51 PM | | It's funny, I dated a woman (who is 10 years younger than me) a while ago who drove me absolutely crazy. One minute she was telling me how much she loved and adored me and the next was saying how she didn't believe in commitment. She acted more like a girlfriend than any woman I've ever dated but would get upset if I referred to her as a girlfriend. I felt like a ping pong ball and after a couple of months of this nonsense we had an argument and I told her I was over it. She accused me of going through male menopause and strongly suggested I get medicated. (the woman is on all kinds of pills for all kinds of stuff). I told her that it was her, not my testosterone levels that were making me crazy. Needless to say, she is out of my life and guess what? I haven't had an argument with me in months! | |
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Posted: 9/21/2008 9:36:23 PM | first of all, i don't eat corned beef sandwiches. and i don't take what i get from tv or internet ads. medical research and strategy was my air for my whole professional life. however, i've learned double that as a patient, just using those skills to navigate.
not just another guy is on target about testosterone AND you would need a presciption. it's been only over the past few years, that men could bypass the testosterone injections that were necessary in the "old days".
as to any herbal supplement or OTC, i 'd take it to my MD/homeopath. he evaluates these and has the knowledge to do it. it's not all that complicated.
as to your thoughts andulusia joey. come clean about this. if your puppy needed something, wouldn't you take him/her to the vet? i bet you would! 
this does not have to be a big deal. the big deal is finding a knowledgeable doc who isn't taught to think what the hmo or insurance company "salaries" him/her to think, so that they can save money and move you along the assembly line. . it could be many things, but this particular possibility should also be taken into consideration, along with the other possibilities. believe me, the opposite holds true with women. you have a serious problem and they tell you it's menapause! well, here it could be a hormone thing and they pump you with viagra and tell you that it's mid life crisis. very annoying in both extremes.  who makes out? the drug companies. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2008 2:30:27 AM | as right and informed as you are on this subject,i cannot understand as to why you didn't understand my statement about the only way "men"are informed is while eating corned beef sandwiches and watching commercials.wasn't about you,in fact,i asked you to keep posting.so please,read it again,and try to keep an open mind,you were doing well up until you took exception to something that had nothing to do with the way you interpreted it.guess the hormones were kicking in.LOL | |
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Posted: 9/22/2008 8:13:48 PM |
not just another guy is on target about testosterone...
serenitycw, thanks for the nice comment...i was quite surprised that so many men in this thread had no clue about their own bodies...perhaps in their next life they'll get to be a woman...
btw, my exwife was born and raised in your neck of the woods...if i told you her name, you might know her...or at least her family, who still lives in the live oak area of town...i love it there, especially the sunsets...i don't think i'll ever move back to california, but i'll sure be visiting all the beautiful nature settings that are found there... | |
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Posted: 10/2/2008 7:50:23 PM | | actually,i think she is kinda hot!smart lady that knows about the male sex thing.she has some nice pics too.well,anyways,we are so far apart,guess i will just have to dream.seriously,she knows her stuff,and say it much like you hear in the docs office,professional,not demeaning in any way.i think thats why most men are worried,afraid of being embarrassed or something.having had a vasectomy many years ago,i was always told to get checked for certain types of cancers,higher risk factors.my urologist suggested the other tests after i brought up this very subject.he didn't belittle me,nor did his staff.in fact after one of the nurses caught a glimpse of my,well never mind,maybe she was laughing.its just plain old horse sense,should have waited for that line.just plain old common sense to get a check up after 40 for prostrate,and to talk to your doctor about anything that does not seen right down there.you may be surprised.actually,an increase in erections could also be a sign of problems.i mean,our pipes are very complicated.look guys,the checkup can be humiliating as hell,especially if the guy forgets to take his ring off,but it may well save your life. | |
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Posted: 10/2/2008 8:03:21 PM | OP since you asked
Yes I have told my partner that he is reaching his andropause (or mail menopause) on numerous occasions. But that's just because I'm an obnoxious person ;), I should probably kept that knowledge for myself and laugh from afar. Yes changes in mail behavior are quite obvious when they reach that period in their lives, at least obvious to any one else but themselves as it seems. Sad thing's that they are left mainly untreated because of prejudice and self denial.
PS
Who are the main users of ‘Viagra’?...Look for the age statistics and then the fact about (one of the) symptoms of andropause will became painfully obvious to you lads.
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Posted: 10/2/2008 8:11:12 PM | | if i am allowed to reply,may have posted too much.but i have not needed viagra after being diagnosed and treated.it was not bad,but i knew it was a sign.i needed more stimuli ,where as just the though was all i needed.so yes,i am very glad i went,and it may have saved me from being very embarrassed later on.if you need viagra,you should also have a complete diagnostic to make sure everything is ok. | |
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Posted: 10/2/2008 8:34:04 PM | ^^^^^^
trrypier
Smart move 
You didn't go in to denial, you saw a problem and handled it lake a man should.
Sadly you are in minority among mail population... | |
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Posted: 10/2/2008 8:43:46 PM | I don't know, Lyliet. I'm thinking that there may actually be a majority of men over 50ish that really are not in denial. My Internist sees a lot of older men in her practice and tells me that ED and the prescriptions for Viagra, Levitra, Cialis are very common.
So my hunch is that the majority of over 50 guys are concerned, and are trying to find the cures. Nothing new in that really. As an archaeologist and student of human history, I can tell you that the quest for the perfect male "pecker picker upper" has been going on for many thousands of years.
My own problems have to do with the meds I take for a medical condition, but just in the unlikely case I should run into a potential "encounter" I'm thinking of picking up some Chinese Horny Goat extract. Some Italian researchers recently found that it actually does increase male sexual response! Of course...they are Italians...some poor woman probably wandered into their lab by mistake and the researchers immediately began pinching her bottom...an Italian tradition. This probably skewed the results of their "clinical studies". | |
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Posted: 10/2/2008 9:01:49 PM | ^^^OldFolkie - I just don't get why some men are so touchy about ED drugs. I say if it improves or helps your situation, why the heck not?
Sure it's nice to believe that some older guys are still operating just fine, but who give a hoot if it can make you and your partner feel good?
Pop the pills honey! | |
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Posted: 10/2/2008 9:21:43 PM | Heya Libby...
I'm not touchy at all about trying anything at all to try to be "all that I can be". I was just pointing out that many men over 50 are aware of their "difficulties'. Hence the phenomenally profitable success of Viagra, et al.
Trust me on this....when there are problems with their being studly, guys CARE!. I really need to call my broker and buy some more Pfizer stock. As we male "boomers" age and decline, Pfizer profits can only go up.
I'm all for anything that can make my partner feel good!  | |
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Posted: 10/2/2008 9:27:30 PM | old,some of these people on here will take about anything out of context,you didn't have to respond,now you will be accused of being angry.my problem is i like to argue back with them.but i have stopped,anyway,you keep posting,most of us understood everything you said,it was very well written.thank you. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 7:06:17 AM | OldFolkie
As an ex - archaeologist (major medieval history, worked quite a bit in the field till 1999 then switched that beautiful calling for what you can see at ma profile-talk about carrier change huh ) to one that’s still live and kicking: s
Sorry about Viagra joke, I just meant to say that it can bee sign of mail menopause, or let's say your own organism undertaking some serious change...pointing out that that is not the only sign but it certainly is among ones that get the most attention. Smart people are those who go for complete check up and have the guts to admit they need one...by admitting I primarily mean admitting it to themselves.
And, yes if I was in situation where said Viagra might help I will take it, after careful consultation whit my physician and exploring some alternative choices alongside. We all, mail or female, want are bodies to work as well as our mind as long as it can be achieved. Our soul we usually take for granted ;)
PS
Speaking about '' quest for the perfect male "pecker picker uppers" it has indeed been going for thousands of years.
My personal favorite medieval recipe (which actually represented The magic cure for almost anything) was a grinded horn of an ‘’real’’’ unicorn. Maybe you know it, maybe you don’t but they actually thought to have them beck then, and mentioned horns where of enormous value, one of them is still in the British royal treasury gilded with gold…
Not so long ago those horns that survived to our time where examined. They where all found to be narval horns (narval-a sort of arctic wale, doesn’t even have a horn but one long crimped front tooth resembling a horn). European (Asian as well) gentry use to pay a small fortune to the exotic eastern traveling salesmen who acquired those tooth/horns, and clamed it was unicorn’s and that it came from some distant imaginary land.
I always imagine crafty Asian salesmen laughing themselves to death by the fire in the night while they are buying those horns from sub-artic/arctic see fisherman
AtB
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Posted: 10/3/2008 7:56:49 AM | i do not think anyone took the viagra thing too personal.it was a comment another directed at oldie.i think everything you posted was right on,one of the reasons i wanted to add you as a friend.i like having open and frank discussions with people.how else can we learn from each other without being a little open minded?however,i prefer to hear about the live ones too.lol...i hope this thread will help improve,if not save a few lives!!!the test has helped me 100%,but i ain't tossing the viagra just yet.for the record,they have some very good female sex products out there too.herbals out there for men and women that work as good or better than the prescriptions.message me for the website!back on track,i love these posts,educational,and get to meet the kind of people i desire to meet. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 10:46:58 AM | Cannot Message but will drop you a line (or two  ) later. Now I am stuck with some hell of a translation (that’s what I mainly do for my bread and butter), so I am just peeking here on POF forums.
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Posted: 10/3/2008 2:22:24 PM | i saw that on your profile,i know it has to be a tough job.hit me when you can,will be looking forward to talking to you.one thing i have noticed on this post,is that about when it looks like the end of the line,a person will come in with something new,and like i stated before,it beats learning about this during a commercial waiting for the game to start.one more benefit of these types of postings,it allows a man to get comfortable with this subject,and also to walk into a doctors office and to be able to discuss this from a more knowledgeable stand point,and not sit there and go uh huh while he is talking.to me,knowing something about it,takes away half of the stigma.i was totally in the dark when i started asking questions,and the doctor was good,he explained thing to me in a way that i could relate,layman's terms,so to speak.keep it up people,more and more will read it and learn.  | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 8:14:20 PM | | Menopause is alotta hooey too. The WHO is a scam. Nobody has emotions. Hormones don't exist....OYE!!! I'm outta here. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 8:26:53 PM | and in your case,i doubt brain cells exist.at least we have qualified people out there to make an educated call.and we will always have women like you around,other wise there would be a lot of horny men hanging around the bars for nothing! | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 10:46:19 AM | msg #145...Menopause is alotta hooey too. The WHO is a scam. Nobody has emotions. Hormones don't exist....OYE!!!...
hmmm, did that rant come straight out of one of your lesson plans, professor (i'm glad i missed that course...maybe it's only available in canada, huh)...
or did you just have a really bad day? i hope tomorrow is a much better one for you...
i'm still a bit puzzled...the word "actualizing" has a much different meaning to me...if that's the result it brings to you, i'll be going in a very different direction...
...I'm outta here.
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Posted: 10/4/2008 7:13:15 PM | Piano4te : I concur ! Well said. Thank you for attempting to state the TRUTH as it exists for some significant percentage of relationships.
My calculations are a bit more general though; 22 years and 2,200 fights !! :)
I'm really, really tired of females who think its "ok" to act like children...at their whim...without real cause...just because they have emotional issues. What happened to all the "ladies" of the world ?? My MOM sure didn't act that way !
I'm sure you know what I mean...
and women who keep asking where all the good men are ? Sheesh. We put up with your B.S. almost every freakin' day ! We're living HEROES...as far as I'm concerned.
But I'm done with that. Life is too short. When a woman freaks out now...there's a quick breeze and an empty place where I was a minute ago.
And I suspect I'm far from alone...joined by BOTH sexes !
Losing emotional control is just classless and ultimately stupid/childish. Justifying it with a "syndrome/excuse" of some kind is a cop-out for personal responsibility to be an "adult".
Therefore, "understanding" and "tolerance" is what ? The stuff of "heroes" ? Or a potentially family and relationship destroying allowance for childish behavior ?
What would Dr. Phil say ?? ;) | |
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Posted: 10/5/2008 10:42:36 AM | msg #148...What would Dr. Phil say ?? ;)
i'm not real sure what he'd say, but i'm thinking it would go something like this...
if your relationship was that far into the ditch  and you stayed with it for 22  years, what were you thinking?...
you need to come see me next tuesday...how's 4:00 pm? | |
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Posted: 10/6/2008 2:02:53 PM | Interesting subject matter. I was thinking I was the poster child for 'mid life crises'. A previous poster that said its 'her' decline made me consider it quite differently and it sure fits!
I went through several years of my partner's decline trying everything to make things better. I've read and tried so much on how to spice up a relationship I could write my own book. You want to make a guy feel bad about themselves? Just lose interest in them and no matter what lengths he goes just stay disinterested! It does a killer job I assure you. In my relationship she finally went to a doctor for different problem and was told she is experiencing menopause. She was given things to help her but refuses to take them. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink. I cannot remain OK with it either, long past that actually. It about destroyed me. I don't know if I can ever find a way back into the relationship even if she got help now. As it is our relationship exists because I have to finish raising the 16 year old girl and get the 18 year old boy off to college.
I'm on this site because I can no longer tolerate the total absence of what used to make us tick. I need these things in my life for me! Those things help me be a caring, loving, responsible, successful person - without them everything around me is affected. Enough time passes and it can get (and did) down right destructive. I can't bail, I have kids that depend on me and they are at an age where everything matters. They don't need to have to deal with all this crap, its not their fault. My decision, find it on the side, fill those very, very painful holes. I still have to produce and be OK weather she is willing to or not.
I read a long time ago that the average male, on average, thinks about sex once every 6 seconds. For most of my adult life I thought that was nuts or something must be wrong with me (hehe) because I never thought about sex THAT often. Right now, at 46 (almost 47) I am fully aware of where they get that stat! I'm twice as sexually active as I have ever been in my whole life. The only time I even came close was around 16/17 years of age - it was pretty strong in me then too. These days, I have sex on the brain! Its not all I want or what I'm looking for but I'm not going to deny its right there with the rest of life! It makes sense too, since its absent in my home life and I have such need for the missing things (attention from your partner, romance, intimacy) I can actually understand why its exactly like this.
I'm not sure if this is what this thread is about, is mid life crises the same as andropause? doesn't sound like it to me.
For the young lady that said something along the lines that older men can't keep it up like the younger boys, well I don't know who you've been talking to honey but I promise you it just ain't true! Maybe I am misunderstanding what 'older' is? Sexually speaking, I am 10 times what I was as a young adult! Some of that has to do with being more comfortable with myself, more mature. Some is sheer experience and some even has to do with having more appreciation for the feelings behind sexual relations.
I know sexual dysfunction can strike any age. I'm sure that due to other health reasons a greater number of older (again vague term here) men experience a problem than younger ones but I'm not at all certain it has to do directly with an age. I've always assumed that at some point age does have an effect, but again I'm not sure this is the same thing most seem to be talking about here.
50? I'm not going to see some extreme decline in sexual function (if any). 60? I might see some decline, probably depends more on how well I care for myself or what else happens to me then some direct sexual issue. 70? I expect I will see a direct sexual decline by that age but I'm also certain some men won't (I'm guessing they will be the exceptions, not the rule).
There is no cookie cutter reason for physical issues. Mid life crises is talked about more often then other problems because it talks about behavior, not physical dysfunctions or declines. Dysfunction can be caused by lots of things, illness, mental health, blood flow and the list goes on and on. The only thing age plays in it is more health issues that cause these problems occur more often with age.
The problem I see here is the terms are not well defined or understood when it come to men. "Andropause" sounds like you are talking about much older men, not middle aged ones. Or it might be as one poster stated that it takes a much longer time for men to go through "andropause" (15-20 years). Nothing is drastic, nothing is suddenly apparent like it is in women which seem to change much faster and have more extreme variation. It's less identifiable so its talked about less ? | |
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