| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/30/2008 5:00:52 PM | fudge buddy
what the heck do you do op????
Slightly off topic but, I run a small company.
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would you date someone on benefits OP
I am not criticising those who are on benefits, however my quarrel is with the system itself, If you are going to offer free money and accomodation, of course people would take, infact rape the system of it, However, It becomes an issue when the money is being forcibly taken from one persons pocket and being given to another.
If you dont pay tax, You go to jail
If you dont pay council tax , You are sent for commital, you go to jail.
What pains me and most londners that fund most of britain is, not just how much we pay but where it goes, the problem is not with the individual but its with the system,
to answer your question, Yes i would but i also believe that it is my duty as her partner to support her in every way i can and so she will be off them rather quickly. | |
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| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/30/2008 5:00:58 PM | Before I had to make do with ripping off the system I used to be a fully upstanding member of society, paying a third of my wages in tax every month...yes, ok, on occasion I would wonder where exactly my money was going and what it was being spent on and feel really fed up that all that over-time I did was getting me nowhere financially - I was a mad workaholic working 15 hr days 6/7 days a week because I believed in what I was doing and to be honest my only solace was that, that part of my earnings which were being taken from me at source were enough to support a family who weren't in the same fortunate position as me at the time..i.e. unencumbered enough to try and have a better quality of life.
I won't feel guilty about benefiting from a system which prefers to keep the poor poor and the rich richer and will continue to take advantage of it as long as suits me..after all I've paid a fortune into it already. | |
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| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/30/2008 5:03:30 PM | Not read all the posts but it's time for a review of benefits I'll say that much.
Benefits were introduced to help those in need but it has become abused. I know people who say they can't afford to go back to work because they get more on benefits. ffs that cannot be right. I know a couple, they have 2 kids, don't live together and have 2 houses 2 cars between them, how can they afford that?
So you don't provide money for luxuries like hifis and TVs, Mothers get reusable nappies and tokens to get them cleaned. This would require laundrettes that employ people that pay tax. They get tokens for food etc.
Men or women in a relationship should go to work in the community and earn their benefits, maybe have a top up scheme if they are below a certain level.
Single teenage mothers, well anyone can make a mistake. But I know women who got pregnant just so they got their own flat, then a couple of years later had another so they get a house. Well don't give it to them. Working married people in the same boat don't get the chance to upgrade just because the wife has twins or triplets and it's a bit crowded. You make your bed you lie in it.
It's about time they encouraged people to work rather than sit around breeding.
Come from a town where the council symbol is a statue of "mother and child". Got a mate who moved here and he calls it "The single mother and child." The abuse of benefits has reached epidemic proportions and it's time that those that pay i.e. the taxpayer, got a fair shake of the stick. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 5:04:31 PM | I look at it this way...
I am a single mother living off benefits and NO ONE will make me feel bad about myself for it, if the louts around here are alright to sponge of the system for the duration of their lives then I am allowed to raise my children myself without putting them in childcare and letting someone else raise them for me. (This is not meant to offend those who do place their children in childcare just expressing my own personal preference) . BUT whilst also raising my children myself I am also studying part time towards a degree...so when my youngest hits full time school I have finished my degree, I can earn a damn site more than the national minimum wage and pay a lot more tax and put back into the system what I took out ( I did pay into the system before I had kids too) along with a hell of a lot more. Yes I agree that some should be made to earn their "job seekers allowance" by cleaning the streets, helping the elderly with their gardens or something else that will put something back into the community, if they are genuine hard workers who are genuinely seeking work then they won't mind as they would rather be kept busy doing something that will provide some good to their country. But I think single mums should be able to have the option to stay at home with their kids until the age of 5, when they enter full time education, then made to work as I will be doing... | |
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| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/30/2008 5:06:08 PM | NIGEL44
ot read all the posts but it's time for a review of benefits I'll say that much.
Benefits were introduced to help those in need but it has become abused. I know people who say they can't afford to go back to work because they get more on benefits. ffs that cannot be right. I know a couple, they have 2 kids, don't live together and have 2 houses 2 cars between them, how can they afford that?
So you don't provide money for luxuries like hifis and TVs, Mothers get reusable nappies and tokens to get them cleaned. This would require laundrettes that employ people that pay tax. They get tokens for food etc.
Men or women in a relationship should go to work in the community and earn their benefits, maybe have a top up scheme if they are below a certain level.
Single teenage mothers, well anyone can make a mistake. But I know women who got pregnant just so they got their own flat, then a couple of years later had another so they get a house. Well don't give it to them. Working married people in the same boat don't get the chance to upgrade just because the wife has twins or triplets and it's a bit crowded. You make your bed you lie in it.
It's about time they encouraged people to work rather than sit around breeding.
You hit the nail on the head !!!! | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 5:21:37 PM | Of course not, Tell you what i would do though, i would prob take a look at their situ and if they can do something , ie , computer work, then yes, make the system work for everbody rather than penalise a few, Especially londners as they pay for most of britain
Glad to hear that, perhaps you could have been more specific in your opening post as to those that you would and wouldn't force to clean the streets, it would have avoided any confusion.
Those that are able to do some sort of work should perhaps be assisted and encouraged to work or maybe to retrain, but I don’t agree with forcing anyone to work if they are or have recently been in ill health. That begs the question as to where all these well paying jobs (that will keep people above the poverty line because of the abolition of the benefits system) will be found to accommodate this enlarged workforce.
Londoners pay for most of Britain? Could you please post a link to the evidence that supports this? I would be interested in reading it.
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Ok, I will do.
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| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/30/2008 5:30:13 PM |
Londoners pay for most of Britain? Could you please post a link to the evidence that supports this? I would be interested in reading it.
It will take me a short while to find the news articles related to this when it caused a bit controvacy, U dont suppose my word as a former stockbroker is worth anything is it ?.. thought not,.. keep an eye on this thread and i will send you several links relating to this, not just links from over enthusiastic unknown news feeds.. bare with me and i will find something official. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 5:41:12 PM | ..don't mind that fella OP, it's not like he doesn't have access to the internet himself..if he wants corroborating evidence to support your view he can find it himself...
Sometimes I really wonder at the people who try and 'debate' a subject through the rather ridiculous means of subjugating anothers' opinion by throwing in red herrings and being all this and that and really rather silly and pointless when it comes to expressing their 'thoughts'..................so stupifyingly boring..........make the fella do his own research and tell him to quantify his own 'argument' (don't be taking any crap from people who are wind up artists)!!!!.
I do fully acknowledge, however, that being a single mum was my choice. And I thank the tax payer for enabling me to have the most beautiful daughter and continue my studies.
Fair balls to you..it's not easy by any stretch of the imagination bringing up a child on your own and if opportunities present themselves to you based upon your personal level of 'disadvantage'...take advantage of them and do what you need to in order to give you and yours a good quality of life eventually..
Enough with the bull about single parent's being leeches and parasites and being so unworthy...everybody needs to be a lot smarter about availing of what is out there for them to use and abuse...........if you are determined there will be a happy ending. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 5:46:55 PM | OP, are you really wanting to set deadlines for people to find partners through govt funded dating schemes?
Regardless of your know how on economics, (which if anyone cares I think is sour grapes, you earn enough to qualify for over 2 grand of tax every month, you can't be that hard up) that has to be one of the most disturbingly nanny state ideas i've heard on this forum in the few short weeks i've been here.
Or has the Guinness clouded my judgment and i'm reading it wrong? If so, apologies in advance!
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Posted: 8/30/2008 5:47:59 PM | Sometimes I really wonder at the people who try and 'debate' a subject through the rather ridiculous means of subjugating anothers' opinion by throwing in red herrings and being all this and that and really rather silly and pointless when it comes to expressing their 'thoughts'..................so stupifyingly boring..........make the fella do his own research and tell him to quantify his own 'argument' (don't be taking any crap from people who are wind up artists)!!!!.
Oh the irony...
Regardless of your know how on economics, (which if anyone cares I think is sour grapes, you earn enough to qualify for over 2 grand of tax every month, you can't be that hard up)
Actually it is quite possible and even probable to qualify for that much tax and still be hard up, especially if all of your income is tied up in a business. My father is taxed over £60,000 per year and still struggles to pay the mortage every month.
The OP is broke...he STILL hasnt taken me on a date :(
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| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/30/2008 5:49:21 PM |
what a bunch of ignorant pish...
Einstien once said, Discreditation before investigation, is the height of ignorance, question for you, How many economies in the world have a benefit system ?
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I do fully acknowledge, however, that being a single mum was my choice. And I thank the tax payer for enabling me to have the most beautiful daughter and continue my studies.
You are the embodiment of a truely wonderful soul, you have even shut me up , (temporalily)
Well done with your degree, If only there were more like you out there, I sense you will have a wonderful career ahead of you. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 5:51:27 PM | | fair play to you o.p you got them biting like fishes lol and most about the 2 grand tax you pay lmao even when i was a builder paying that much tax was a sign to get a new accountant lol but you must think most women look at the wage slip? | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 5:51:41 PM |
Oh the irony...
...care to elaborate ?
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Whatever. Frictional once said, "Quoting Einstein is the last refuge of the fraud".
You might actually be right there..after all another profile on a different thread...claimed to be the OP of that same thread wee Ms. xxxparisxx created - the plot thickens... | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 5:56:20 PM |
Actually I can asure you that the OP probably knows more about economics than you do.
Yes. Maybe. Or not. If he knew his economics he wouldn't start threads like this.
Einstien once said, Discreditation before investigation, is the height of ignorance
Whatever. Frictional once said, "Quoting Einstein is the last refuge of the fraud". | |
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| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/30/2008 6:02:30 PM |
fair play to you o.p you got them biting like fishes lol and most about the 2 grand tax you pay lmao even when i was a builder paying that much tax was a sign to get a new accountant lol but you must think most women look at the wage slip?
Lol, i get what you are saying, hehehe...
However on a more serious note mate, If you read the previous posts, you will see the true nature of the post .. Im already happily married and aint lookin.
like mentioned in the ealier post.
If you dont pay Tax, You go to Jail.
now image all your hard earned cash after days of long hours and hard word work that you get the tax man on you case just to give it away for someone to live more comfortably than you who has sat home doing nothing all day. or in extreme cases as pointed in an ealier post, Its given to someone who sits at homes getting laid so that they get even more of your money. .. Just a though | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 6:03:15 PM | Yes. Maybe. Or not. If he knew his economics he wouldn't start threads like this.
Actually he is quite right in what he is saying. How can you say what someone would or wouldnt start?
In previous threads, I have asked people their opinions on subjects that I am knowledgeable about. This is no way means I am talking out of my backside. The OP simply put this up for debate. And as I have said the OP probably knows more about economics than you do. I say probably as I can not say how much you know.
You might actually be right there..after all another profile on a different thread...claimed to be the OP of that same thread wee Ms. xxxparisxx created - the plot thickens...
What are you talking about? That actually makes no sense... | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 6:09:42 PM |
Actually he is quite right in what he is saying.
In your humble opinion.
How can you say what someone would or wouldnt start?
I can safely say that anyone who expresses the OP's opinions on unemployment doesn't understand basic economics. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 6:10:25 PM | Oh the irony...
What’s that word the kids use these days...oh that’s right 'Owned'.
It will take me a short while to find the news articles related to this when it caused a bit controvacy, U dont suppose my word as a former stockbroker is worth anything is it ?.. thought not,.. keep an eye on this thread and i will send you several links relating to this, not just links from over enthusiastic unknown news feeds.. bare with me and i will find something official.
There is no need, I have found the answer.
Only 27.9% of total revenue is created by income tax, so even if all of that came from London (which it doesn’t) then it cannot be true that Londoners pay for Britain (i.e. provide more than 50% of total revenue available to spend on Britain by the government) with their income tax (income tax being the original premise for the debate).
http://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn09.pdf
(Institute for Fiscal Studies) | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 6:11:33 PM |
However on a more serious note mate, If you read the previous posts, you will see the true nature of the post .. Im already happily married and aint lookin.
like mentioned in the ealier post
Oi mate does your missus know you're on a dating site and are being referred to as 'lover' by a single mom who you've claimed to be the embodiment of blah de blah type stuff ?
This thread has taken a very bizarre turn...................Where is Adachu ..when is he going to make an appearance ?? | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 6:16:19 PM | This thread has gone from ridiculous to serious debate to beyond ridiculous.... happily married OP who is also single on profile......
OT: actually I am out of on topic points...bored now | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 6:16:35 PM | I say that to everyone...not JUST the OP.
And if you actually READ the post he was referring to the fact that it was the way in which I'd handled being a single mum that made me a good soul...
Oh and when I say single mum I mean I am not with my daughters father.
And I also note SANGFROID that you have not clarified that previous comment about the plot thickening... | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 6:20:27 PM |
Whatever. Frictional once said, "Quoting Einstein is the last refuge of the fraud".
I did not start the post to end off trying to explain simple logic to small minded people who resort to childish name calling when they cannot find a descent argument or have a vocabulary that is too poverty stricken to actually detail their point of view rather than cowardly escape the topic by attacking other posters
If you would like clarification or elaboration, simply ask rather than throw your toys out of the pram when the forum sways in a direction you are not comfortable with.
I bet you are unemployed and the thought of losing your benefit horrifies you. Get a Job. | |
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