| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/31/2008 10:39:55 AM |
back to the matter at hand ,
I bet you tomorrow morning , most of the negative ones to this topic in general will still be checking posts, Why ? because they dont have jobs to go to, why, because they are lazy spongers.
Get a Job. Cut All Benefits Immediately !
Not before Jeremy Kyle though and been to local shop for ten fags and a bottle cider  | |
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| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/31/2008 10:42:13 AM | | you chose to personally attack me as i have 6 children, you presumed i was a dole dosser, you didnt know the facts, i DO voluntary work, im a breasfeeding peer supporter, if your sort get your way many more people like me would be needed, as breastfeeding rates in countries with no benefits system is higher, because they simply cant afford to chose formula, people with the thinking you have a totally outrageous opinion on this matter have far outnumbered those who think you have a valid point. and gosh, reading back through history im not the only person you personally attacked! | |
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| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/31/2008 10:45:14 AM | and there in lies the point - thank goodness for democratic rights.
and to all the
Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately people - put that in your pipe and smoke it
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Posted: 8/31/2008 10:48:05 AM | I dd no such thing. I responded to the comments YOU made about the benefit help you get, whether it be tax credits or income support.
Since when did breast feeding become part of this debate? I breastfed my daughter for the first year of her life.
Can you people not read? I have said soooo many times I think my hands are going to fall off. My opinion on this topic is NO benefits should not be stopped immediately. BUT I do think that there should be far more incentive to get back into work. Whether this means shorter lengths of time that one can claim benefits or a system of work specifically for single parents. I do not have the answers to that.
I have agreed with many people on here and am getting fed up with being attacked for thinking that it is far too easy to claim and live on benefits. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 10:52:17 AM | Message 151... Thank you for posting, someone who is obviously in the know and has first hand experience of the benefit system and the people who are claiming.
Quite simply when an argument is lost as fantastically as this one has been (IMO of course  ) then unfortunately there is nothing left to do but for some to back track on their previous statements and YES make complete and utter fools out of their arguments for all to see. I feel no need to comment further. It's all there in black and white for all to see.....until the thread gets deleted that is. Shame really as it is a good topic 
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As another poster said why should the tax payer help you support your 6 children? Especially when the said tax payer finds it hard enough supporting their own children. Also I will say that the 18 year old childminder is trying to make a life for herself and is a lifeline for those of us who have to go back to work.
So we have this statement regarding someone else having some form of benefit( which actually from reading it seems to be tax credits which most people are entitled to).....keeping up?..... then we have.....
I said that if you cant afford to have children you shouldnt have more than 1. My daughter wasnt planned however I chose to have her and thus put myself into the position of having to claim benefits. I would not dream about having another child as I could not afford it and I would rather be out working. That is what I mean. Everyone makes mistakes (one which I would not take back ever) but to have 6 children and still expect government support is not fair.
So you are not saying that it is ok for you to have benefits for your one child but it's not ok for another who has six?
Maybe you should actually read my posts. I did not say that the tax payer should support my child and not anyone elses.
I think these posts prove that you did young lady. In your opinion to have one child and have benefits is fine but to have more than one and have benefits isn't.
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Posted: 8/31/2008 10:53:18 AM | Oi all dossers 2mora morning my place..... Jeremy kyle you up for it ?
Yay....but some one pick me up a maccy 'd breakie yeh.....ta .....sorted
The only time benefits shud be cut is when ppl refuse to get a job and just sign on using the income based jobseekers rather then the contrubutions( sp ? im tired ) based one and get constant crisis loans to have go out boozing......But t the best of my knowledge DWP have clued on to that and their is a hardship allownace with is a reuduced job seekers altho i could be wrong......
I used to collect trolls when i was younger,,, u remember them the naked ppl with sticky up hair in alldiff colours
EDIT...And single parents do have more incentive to go back to work... You get your housing benefit/council tax paid for you 1st few weeks at work, u get a back to work bonus to buy work clothes and for the 1st year you get an extra payment each week hows about that then.......
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Posted: 8/31/2008 10:57:51 AM | LOL where exactly have I back tracked?
read my messages back and you will see that I said the same thing all along. Infact dont worry im going to look and quote myself.
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I know what single parents qualify for. I have just started the new deal for parents which is what you just described.
Howver if you actually work out the finances, you have to work full time to break even with what you recieve on income support. I know this because its something I have taken up with the jobcentre.
Housing/council tax is pnly paid for the first 4 weeks and you recieve 40 pounds per week for the first year of work. Take this into consideration.
Person gets paid 120 per week from their wages
40 from new deal
60 from tax credits
140 (towards child care) from tax credits.
not bad?
ok rent and council tax 130 per week (1 bed flat)
child care 260 per week (average nursery fees for full time)
This doesnt even take into consideration gas electric etc.
So no it isnt much of a good deal. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 10:57:56 AM | No offense but you CHOSE to have 6 children and put yourself in a situation where you cannot work. Yes having children is wonderful, however, IMO if you cant afford it why would you have more than 1?
That to me was a bit of an attack for having more than 1 kid,and no respond about any sort of benefits!
And i think the reason you seem to be getting attacked is cause your contradicting yourself,it was ok for you to choose not to work but you seem to frown on others who choose not to. | |
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| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/31/2008 11:13:42 AM |
everybody we need to stop feeding this troll now, the post has been reported to a mod...albeit one that lives in canada land. But let's not fuel this any longer...
It will die soon enough one way or the other.
Ok everybody crab their coats, we are going to the pub!!
And NO OP you (what ever your flipping name is) are not coming.
(valen I dont mean you, darling, I am buying the first drink) | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 11:19:35 AM | Paris, dear, your shooting yourself in the foot!
No offense but you CHOSE to have 6 children and put yourself in a situation where you cannot work. Yes having children is wonderful, however, IMO if you cant afford it why would you have more than 1?
Did you ever think in that little brain of yours that some children are not planned. Some people get pregnant by accident, as you say so yourself here:
My daughter wasnt planned however I chose to have her
Only one of my children were planned (for the record i have 4) and i wouldnt dream of aborting them just because i couldnt afford to have them, you wanna know why.........because it was me who made the mistake of getting pregnant, so it is my job to make sure i can afford to bring them up.....and if that means having 4 or even 6 different jobs, and paying half of my wages on childcare, then thats what i have to do because
Everyone makes mistakes (one which I would not take back ever)
Im lucky that i have a good job, but at one stage i needed to sign on benefits, just to survive.
If your entitled to it then theres no reason in the world why you shouldnt take them, and IMO its people with more than one child are the ones who really do need benefits, you know yourself the cost of raising a child!
You see we all make mistakes darling!
Now please stop your attacks on single parents with more than one child, because that my dear is exactly what your doing! | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 11:20:46 AM | ok Krusty I did not say MY child should be paid for. Yes I dont think its fair for people to have 6 children and everyone else have to pay for their life style choice, nor do i think its fair they have to pay if they have 1 child (though I am very grateful they do)
Now before people jump down my throat for that you might want to remeber previous topics you have commented on. There are atleast 4 posters on here that said exactly what I have but in relation to refugees in another thread.
Calin -
I completely agree with what you said hence the reason I have my daughter. But I learned from having her . Knowing the cost of child care I would not want to bring another child into the world as I can hardly afford to look after just one. I have made sure that there is no chance of me becoming pregnant again unless it is something that I have planned.
Maggy -
I think the OP will survive funnily enough, though I must admit im gutted im not invited...LOL | |
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| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/31/2008 11:26:01 AM |
People suffered for many years with easily treatable conditions because they couldn't afford a doctor - women suffered more than anyone else, because their needs came last in the family pecking order. That's what you're suggesting we return to. If we remove the benefit system, you'll then call for the abolition of free healthcare and education.
This is a ridiculous comment dealing with "what if", scaremongering ideas and moving totally away from fact: don't you even consider the fact that if we stopped career benefit scroungers and put that and all the other money that we saved from all the people on benefits taking on a lot of the work that the government is paying other people to do then we could channel all this saved money into things like NHS doctors and more drug funding for the needy? You're probably now going to go on about what about all the street sweepers etc that'll be on benefits because they have no work etc - like I said, it's not an easy thing to solve but pointing fingers and saying "you'll be saying this and that next..." is irrelevant and ridiculous. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 11:30:29 AM | | in which post did i say i expected every tax payer to pay for my kids , i actually said i would be entitled to a higher amount of benefit if i worked due to the childcare element of working family tax credit. it was you who presumed. im not single , so would be penalised by going back to work, as i wouldnt be entitled to the deal your currently receiving from social security, as my partner is working to pay for his children, oh and if we are thinking of benefits as a loan, my six kids will pay more tax than your 1 so ner ner di ner ner, stop being ridiculous, its just tit for tat now | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 11:31:05 AM | Can i just say in regards to Fairy having six children and it not being fair that everyone else has to pay for her lifestyle choices.
No 1 her partner works bloody hard and pays as much tax as the next person and also she herself has worked bloody hard and paid alot of tax in the past!
No 2 no childminder could give her kids the care she has given them she's a bloody good mum despite having six kids.
No3 when her and her partner decided to move in together there was 2 houses,they decided to sell 1 and live in the other and putting thier money from the sale into a savings account,which has afforded them to buy what they need for thier kids and thier lifestyle choice,not EVERYONE ELSE!!!!!
Oh and yeah i know enough to comment as im bloody proud of my sister and the choices she made.
Oh and you more or less did say your child should be paid for as you saw it as a loan and were paying for her yourself! | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 11:41:14 AM | hell, why not just introduce state-sponsored eugenics while we are here?
and what DO you do exactly that means you pay over 2 grand a month?
and would you really spend that extra cash on litter bins? i'm sure the NHS might have something to say on that.
you know, if you were on benefits, you wouldn't have to pay 2 grand per month in tax. also,im no mathemetician (oh...wait...yeah i am) lets assume, that like me, a THIRD of your wage goes in taxes. your telling me you're earning £6000 per month and you live in a shoebox? | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 11:42:01 AM | | Please let this thread die. The OP and his on off testimonial buddy look silly enough, they're not going to claw that credibility back, no one is going to argue any more points, this thread is just stinking up the forum. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 11:46:04 AM | No 1 - my daughters father proably would have worked hard, unfortunately its not possible for me to know as he died when she was four weeks old.
No 2 - I never made a single comment about Fairy's ability as a mother and nor would I. I have never met her and therefore know absolutely nothing about her mothering skills - which i am sure must be amazing as she has 6 kids (that was not said in sarcasm).
I was referring to my personal circumstances when I said about seeing MY benefits as a loan. That did not say mine should be paid for. I meant that I was repaying what I had taken. | |
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| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/31/2008 11:55:56 AM |
I know what single parents qualify for. I have just started the new deal for parents which is what you just described.
Howver if you actually work out the finances, you have to work full time to break even with what you recieve on income support. I know this because its something I have taken up with the jobcentre.
Housing/council tax is pnly paid for the first 4 weeks and you recieve 40 pounds per week for the first year of work. Take this into consideration.
Person gets paid 120 per week from their wages
40 from new deal
60 from tax credits
140 (towards child care) from tax credits.
not bad?
ok rent and council tax 130 per week (1 bed flat)
child care 260 per week (average nursery fees for full time)
This doesnt even take into consideration gas electric etc.
So no it isnt much of a good deal.
The £40 in work allowance is £60 if you live in london.....
You also will be entilted to help with with rent/council tax albeit not much but you still get it,if you have a council place then better as the rents are alot cheaper then private renting...Also a high percentage of chilcare fee's are paid its down to the parent to find a good provider and competitive prices......
Your prices you have given minus shoppin etc leave you -30 a week if you advisor tells you that is how it is then i seriously suggest you get a new advisor....
I have a print out from when i recently saw my advisor and for the life of me ive no idea where i put it but based on min wage i would be better off.....
Also as soon as your child is 3 ( my youngest is ) they become eligable for free goverment funding sor nursery so there are 5 sessions of nursery paid for all ready..
As well as that some local areas also have sure start centres for parents which offer all sorts of help...... | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 11:57:12 AM | wake up people. do you think all your tax money goes on "litter bins" and "single moms"?
who do you think is paying for the war in Iraq? and how do you think we pay off our debts to other countrys? And the extra policing and surveillance for "terrorism", which has thus far, failed to prevent anything?
if its not the single moms, its the polish. if its not the middle-easterners, its fox-hunters. these are really stupid issues, designed to keep you confused, and thinking that other people are taking your money, where in reality, its business as usual, and the real crooks are laughing all the way to the bank (i.e the government).
people dont like paying tax, but taxes were around LONG before the benefits system, and therefore, before benefit scroungers.who do you think they used as a scapegoat before then? | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 11:59:45 AM | oooh williamous. i see you live in Vic.
i used to live in Narre Warren, and Berwick. loveley part of the world. particularly Sherbrook Forest.
obviously, im not bitter about being brought back to the UK lol. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 12:01:20 PM | paris your a young girl who for some reason felt it necessary to defend the op..your now , incase you havent noticed falling in a big shit hole.. your mate isnt even here defending you ..
walk away , its actually getting painful to read this now .. your blundering your way through too much stuff and talking to people with years and years of experience behind them..
i am begining to feel quite for sorry for you ,so step away from the pc  | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 12:02:47 PM | Oh dear another bash at single mother.
But not all single mothers are on benefits.
I have brought up my twins on my own from day 1, and have worked without every signing on since I was 16 (only had 3 months off for mat leave). And NO I wasnt married and didnt come out of it with a house and a keep. Everything i have I worked for myself.
But its not viable for all single mothers to work. For those who dont drive, its not easy getting babies/childrens to crech on 1 bus and then another bus to work and be there in time.
I am lucky that I drive and have a reliable car.
Also although I dont get paid megga bucks, I do earn above the min wage (which is all some mothers are offered £5 an hour) so its not worth comming off benefits.
There are a few single mothers up my school, who have told me they get in just under 1K a month off the government in benefits, and they dont pay rent or council tax, and infact there are a few that have more £ left in thier pocket each week than I do.
Yes it does grind me abit, but what can you do, you cant change things.
But what about all the piss heads that dont work, getting incapacity benefit as there drinking is classed as an illness, or all the asylum seekers getting every hand out thats going - shall we have a dig at them all.
I actually get working tax credits & child tax credits (classed as a benefit I beleive) - do you want a dig at me. | |
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