| Government should Cut All Benefits Immediately.
Posted: 8/31/2008 12:10:47 PM | Yes he is not here as he is WORKING - and to be perfectly honest I dont need defending.
And please dont patronise me, I am 23 and a mother. I have plenty of life experience thank you very much.
What I am saying is valid and I am perfectly entitled to my opinion. It makes no difference to me what people think of my point of veiw, that fact is thats what I think and thats fair enough.
Chuffing Bint - No that is accurate for my circumstances. Specifically because my working times vary from week to week (10-4 one day, 4-7 the next etc) I have to pay for full time nursery fees as I cannot vary nursery days and times. Basically after rent and council tax and nursery fees iam left with about 300 quid a month, which is 200 less than on income support. So frankly no it is not worth my while to work for financial reasons atleast. The reason I choose to work is because I think at 2 and a half my daughter needs to be at nursery for her social skills etc. Oh and I dont drive either. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 12:14:08 PM | patronise ...no
concerned..yes
after that comment your the author of your own misfortunes
too short too hairy too crap .........................
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Posted: 8/31/2008 12:17:03 PM |
Chuffing Bint - No that is accurate for my circumstances. Specifically because my working times vary from week to week (10-4 one day, 4-7 the next etc) I have to pay for full time nursery fees as I cannot vary nursery days and times. Basically after rent and council tax and nursery fees iam left with about 300 quid a month, which is 200 less than on income support. So frankly no it is not worth my while to work for financial reasons atleast. The reason I choose to work is because I think at 2 and a half my daughter needs to be at nursery for her social skills etc.
Well in 6 months time hopefully your situation will be better when your lil' un qualifies for her free goverment nursery funding......Does your lil' uns nursery not offer sessions that fit around your needs ? I have paid for both of my girls to go to nursery early as with you i thought it was important for their development im lucky in that i have one which works with the local school and the addapt and work with you as long as its consistant.....
As i ahve stated before the only times benefits should be reduced/ reassesed is for the bone idle
And you are in a one bed place ?? | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 12:18:43 PM | 'And the extra policing and surveillance for "terrorism", which has thus far, failed to prevent anything?'
I could have sworn we'd seen plots to murder Gordon Brown thwarted only this week. Numerous plotters have been arrested, and jailed thanks to the counter terrorism initiatives, and lord knows how many we haven't found out about yet... | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 12:20:25 PM | Message 170 - nocombneeded.
Thanks for the feedback. Unsurprisingly enough I don't feel it is a ridiculous statement. I would see any attempt to withdraw benefits as a thin end of the wedge scenario. If there was so much employment created when all the 'lazy dole scroungers' could no longer live it large on their £50-60 pw benefit payment, then the next argument would be... as we have more people working more people would be able to pay for services and free services would be withdrawn for all but the most in need. If these services were no longer a drain on the government and we paid ourselves then the standards / services would improve as the free market processes would mean people spend their money on quality providers of education and health (sorta like what already happens for those who can afford it) .
Wouldn't happen, couldn't happen...........Wow look at access to 3rd level education and the introduction of fee's. Private schools and private healthcare already exists.
Removing benefits would increase poverty, there are no two ways about it. And please be aware that poverty has not been eradicated in the UK or Ireland, it may look different but still exists.
I'm not sure how many people on benefit you meet in your day to day working life. But they form 100% of my client base. Of course I meet people who are dole cheats, but mostly I met people who have been made redundant, are lone parents, are correctly on disability allowance and would love to return to education or find fulfilling sustainable employment. Many of these people are unaware of the range of benefits available to them. They are far from the pictures of people on benefit that are painted by some here.
I wish C4 would do an 'I'm up my ar$e' version of Secret Millionaire where those who wish to withdraw benefit could see and live the life of an ordinairy person trying to live on state benefits. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 12:23:32 PM | No they dont, you have to pay for either morning afternoon or full day sessions. Which I cant change week on week. So if I work mon tue wed afternoon one week the following week it may all be mornings if you see what I mean. So all summed it it makes far more sense to pay for full time so she can be there as and when she needs to be.
It fooking sucks I can tell you that. It really limits your options if your not working 9-5.
Yeah I am in a 1 bed, although I will be moving soon hopefully. Am looking for a long term lease which is proving difficult... | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 12:29:00 PM | Yeh that sux :0(........
Would mail ya but ya page wont let me.......
I'm gonna make up my own benefit that says all ppl that feel they pay too much tax for single mothers are eligable for a free 20p mix up each week to make them feel better...
Contribution based benefits should not be cut at all as its what people have put in ( thats me stayin on topic ) | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 12:37:01 PM | | i tell you somthing..im gonna go into work tomorrow and tell em to stick there job up there ass..after reading this thread i realise id be alot better off getting benefits..feck work.benefits office here i come... | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 12:56:04 PM | | sorry to say it but you my frend are a****i have to stay of work as my doughter needs 24 hour care and yes i am a single parent so should my doughter suffer for her disebilitys mor than she dose now and befor you start befor i got custerdy of my kids i also paid around 1500 a month in tax | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 1:29:43 AM | Bloody Hell, This is one HOT cake....
Op -- LOL i bet you are having so much fun but, I must say i see your point.
The system is going to crash very soon and i dont think most people in this forum can see what you are actually saying and are too quick to repond to your 2k statement -(probably jelousy) and are not seeing the point that, how can someone who doesnt have to go through the same hard work as you, be in a better position.
interesting question actually, I think the system will begin to show its cracks this time next year. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 2:33:05 AM |
No, I'm a Galah actually.Good to see your medication is working
Thats not the meds thats working William.....they stopped working long time ago when the veins gave in........its the cider now.....lots and lots and lots of lovely cider paid for by the government!! | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 3:04:51 AM | I agree! BUT only to those who are "fiddling" the system, or using the system to benefit themselves.
Take housing benefit and a Muslim mortgage.
If you take out a Sharia compliant mortgage (which any one can do), you do not own the house, it is merely rented to you for a period of time, at the end of the time you are given your house by the bank. You get rent reviews every six months so your rent can go up if interest rates change, or go down. The bank still screws you and make there profits.
However, if you have a repayment mortgage and are made redundant you get very little help to pay your mortgage from the government, and only after one year.
If you rent your house (as in the case of a Muslim mortgage) you get housing benefit from day one if you are made redundant, which would pay the cost of your mortgage.
Sounds too good to be true, but our liberal politicains have made it possible for a Muslim to buy there house courtesy of the UK tax payer.
That is an abuse of the benefit system, that is unfair! | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 3:09:40 AM |
Op -- LOL i bet you are having so much fun but, I must say i see your point.
The system is going to crash very soon and i dont think most people in this forum can see what you are actually saying and are too quick to repond to your 2k statement -(probably jelousy) and are not seeing the point that, how can someone who doesnt have to go through the same hard work as you, be in a better position.
I really am finding it difficult to believe that anyone is taking this thread seriously, even the OP has given up the charade, yet people are still replying to, and agreeing with a proposal to have a state run dating site to force single parents to find a partner, its ludicrous, the ramblings of a person with no grasp on reality, the insane dream of a would be mad dictator!, everyone knows that a small percentage of people play the system, or out and out cheat or steal from it, but he offers no solution to this, except to penalise everyone in the said system with draconian measures that no politician who wanted to be taken seriousley would ever suggest for fear of being laughed out of office! I'll say this slowly once again for the hard of thinking: ITS A TROLL!! | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 3:16:15 AM |
If people are unemployed and on benefits, they should be forced to clean streets or something to keep them
* If single mom, deadlines to work can be set or deadlines find a partner, government can set a special free dating site.
I hope to god you aren't serious. I think if you are you possibly have issues.
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Posted: 9/1/2008 3:35:54 AM | I Love these threads, every time one comes up about benifits, it always starts into a single parent bashing fest.
The problem is as a single parent you damned if you work and have children in child care, LATCH KEY KIDS.....
Then your damned if you stay at home and look after the kids...... then you raise little thugs.... like I said damned if you do damned if you don't. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 4:00:17 AM |
The problem is as a single parent you damned if you work and have children in child care, LATCH KEY KIDS.....
Then your damned if you stay at home and look after the kids...... then you raise little thugs.... like I said damned if you do damned if you don't.
Agree totally its like you can't win really and I've also noticed its usually the men doing the bashing. Being a Mother is a hard enough job, I have single parent friends I work with who hate leaving their kids but need the money badly, but I also have friends who have given up work to be a stay at home Mum and are resentful and bored all day.
It's never the easy win-win people who are not in the situation think it is. Unfortunately on this site there are so many people who assume they know better than you, and so many women haters I'm surprised they even joined a dating site they seem to do nothing but put women down constantly. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 4:13:14 AM |
I really am finding it difficult to believe that anyone is taking this thread seriously, even the OP has given up the charade, yet people are still replying to, and agreeing with a proposal to have a state run dating site to force single parents to find a partner, its ludicrous, the ramblings of a person with no grasp on reality, the insane dream of a would be mad dictator!, everyone knows that a small percentage of people play the system, or out and out cheat or steal from it, but he offers no solution to this, except to penalise everyone in the said system with draconian measures that no politician who wanted to be taken seriousley would ever suggest for fear of being laughed out of office! I'll say this slowly once again for the hard of thinking: ITS A TROLL!!
As an economist, I found this very interesting and thought I should come and investigate.
I am sorry to say, you 'seem' completely blinkered and are coming across as one of those people who believes something only if it come out on TV or is seen on the news. Dont miss-understand me, Im not judging you as i dont know you.
If you were in business today, you would know that this is the beginning of a big recession and there is going to be a huge transition especially with the welfare system. It is going to crash indeed, there is no doubt about that.
I have read through all the posts and I will say i didnt agree with the OPs militant view point. I then realized that the OP does actually seem to be in a position where he knows what he is talking about and seems well researched.
The NHS will be the first casualty of this transition.
You have got to realize , that to keep people like you relaxed and to not panic government and media try create the illusion that "everything is alright" .They do this while the try manage the situation. In fact if you are really interested in how screwed up things are and how the OP may very well be right, let me know and i will send you links to inexorable data that will probably leave you feeling rather unwell with shock.
Kind Regard
Zack M. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 4:39:33 AM | | ms5 215 I suggest you re-read the original post, nowhere does the op mention economic recession, system crashes or anything in fact that could be taken seriously, all he said was that he pays too much tax, earns a lot of money blah blah blah, I'm sure that your correct in your prediction of stormy weather ahead, but none of that has anything at all to do with the comments I have made in regard to the original poster, you may well have far superior knowledge of the economy, but I can spot a Troll a mile away, and anyone who attacks a minority with such senseless drivel as is contained in the first post, is trolling, simple as, and as such negates his view of any other facts and figures that anyone with google can glean from the internet (blinkered or not), so thank you for your kind offer of links, but if I wish to research any of the data that has nothing to do with the OP, I'm sure I'll be able to stumble my way around the web to find it, but as I've stated, my comments have all been in response to the OP's initial post. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 5:25:09 AM |
I can spot a Troll a mile away, and anyone who attacks a minority with such senseless drivel as is contained in the first post, is trolling, simple as
Enough commas there?
I'm not sure how raising an interesting topic can be seen as 'trolling', and after eight pages, the site supports that view. The benefits systems affects everyone, so we should be concerned as to how it is being managed or exploited.
I really am finding it difficult to believe that anyone is taking this thread seriously, even the OP has given up the charade, yet people are still replying to, and agreeing with a proposal to have a state run dating site to force single parents to find a partner, its ludicrous, the ramblings of a person with no grasp on reality, the insane dream of a would be mad dictator!
Any attempt to reduce the number of those on welfare can only be a good thing. Far too many people view welfare as a career option, and for some, that means raising children on their own. There will be a certain percentage of those who seek a partner to make their lives better (one or two will even be here on pof), and they should be encouraged to do so.
The government gives away far too much of our money without seeming to consider the effort many of us make to raise it in the first place. We must have a welfare system to help the deserving poor, but no-one else should be allowed a sniff of the public purse. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 5:43:14 AM | Yes 3 commas is enough I think, so you agree that single parents should be encouraged to find a partner? I had a funny feeling that you would. for any other response to your post, see my last post I think it just about covers it, I have agreed that there is cause for concern, but if the Op was serious in his own concerns he would have made his first post far more credible.
Just an afterthought, if the single parent has a partner forced upon them by this governmemt dating site, and then later on gets back into work, can they then ditch the unwanted partner, and choose another more suited to them? | |
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