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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 3:55:46 PM |
I am not here to battle at all. I am here to bring the message of love compassion forgiveness and nonviolence.
I wish to see the end of the ugly cycles of suffering and violence in this world and any man or woman who thinks that any war is a task from god really needs to learn about love, compassion, forgiveness and nonviolence. They have fallen for weakness instead.
It takes the greatest strength to instead of reacting to someone who wrongs you with violence to instead forgive and show them love, compassion, forgiveness and to remain nonviolent.
Rather interesting statements, coming from a martial arts instructor.
One of my martial arts instructors once said, in an open class of adults: "If someone hits me, it's on."
According to Webster's Dictionary "martial" means combat, or the art of combat.
While the modern martial arts teach non-violence, the martial arts only came about as a way of engaging in combat with what few implements those who developed the martial arts were left with, by marauding armies.
Combat, does not logically evoke a connotation of peace, forgiveness, and non-violence. | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 4:14:10 PM | People in this country are "DUMB" and if Palin thinks the Iraq war is a 'task from God'
then I guess her 17 year old daughter was told 'sex is a gift from God' enjoy it and if you get preggers..oh well, it's God's will....we have the money to take care of another child...but tough luck to the girls who are living in poverty and the same things happen, then what does she think? Oh 'God will take care of everything', how absurd. | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 4:25:09 PM | Well good news coming out of Iraq today. Iraq now bears the primary responsibility of the Anbar Province that was once known to be one of the most deadly places in Iraq.
The more and more we hand things over to the Iraq gov the sooner we can get out of Iraq.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/iraq/2008152422_iraq02.html | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 4:36:03 PM | Palin is in hiding, studying her flash cards on the Iraq war right now. She probably would have peppered the media with more intelligent statements had she known she was about to be thrown into the VP race, but apparently no one knew until McCain's dart hit her photo on Wednesday.
Oh, and since she's so close to Russia, she better make sure she's up on her foreign affairs.
We already know she can't pronounce the word "nuclear" so let's see how she does with "Medvedev." | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 4:43:05 PM |
Pro-LIFE must be Anti-Abortion, Anti-War and Anti-Death Penalty.
So Pro-choice is pro-abortion,pro-war and pro-death penalty???
The word choice sure seems lost in this mess!! | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 4:47:01 PM | ""Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,..." "
You all know that I am not a Palin fan. However, as I read this quote it appears she is praying to ask God if the task is a task that is from God. My fear is that if the Prince of Peace asks her back the illogic of asking that question of a Prince of Peace ... sigh.
Would she be able to hear God if God set a bush on fire with the words "thou shalt not kill" ?? | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 4:56:30 PM | | Some people on here think that killing Serbs or rescuing people in Darfur violently or toppling the sovreign nation of Myannmar are worthy reasons to kill people...I don't know if the war in Iraq is just, moral, or whatever but as long as my son is a career soldier and he believes it is, being there is I think at least part of it, and as long as we are able to turn things over to the Iraqis then I will hold my opinion to myself. | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 4:56:37 PM | "So Pro-choice is pro-abortion,pro-war and pro-death penalty???"
So far pro-choice is based upon the philosophy that it is not my place to make that decision for another. However, in application it is currently synonymous with pro-abortion because there are no reasonable limits upon it.
Pro-Life is based upon the philosophy that since a new and unique human being (per DNA of that human being's live tissue) comes into existence at the moment of conception that a human being does not have the right to take another human beings life from conception through death except as a last possible option for self-defense. That is the extreme pro-life position. Only God can give life; only God can take a life.
To be consistent in the pro-life philosophy, life has to have sanctity from conception to death. aka thou shalt not kill.
I'm campaigning for a pro-moderate ... with what constitutes moderate to be negotiated.
ps. My dad taught me you cannot legislate morality. Immoral people will just break the law. However, you can legislate immorality. Tell a moral person that an immoral behavior is legal and they may mistakenly believe that makes it moral, too. | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 5:09:07 PM |
To be consistent in the pro-life philosophy, life has to have sanctity from conception to death. aka thou shalt not kill.
To be consistent in the pro-life philosophy, as I understand it, a life has the protection of law, from being murdered, from the point of conception to the time of death.
In simple terms, this means that a life cannot lawfully be taken, with some limited exceptions, from the time of conception to the time of death.
Thou shalt not kill, is a rather archaic interpretation of the hebrew language.
All, but the oldest of interpretations of the ten commandments, replaces the word "kill" with the word "murder". It is my understanding, from having had many lengthy discussions with different pastors, and some rabbis, that "kill" and "murder" have the same meaning, in their opinions, as the words are used in this commandment.
In short, the pro-life side of the equation says that a life, once conceived, should not be taken, absent some compelling reason otherwise. | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 5:12:25 PM |
Did I miss the memo? Did Alaska secede?
Not yet, but according to Palin through her membership in the Alaska Independence Party, it should.
Damn it! I had a great joke but not I just sound like a me tooer if I say it
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 5:16:02 PM | | Pro-LIFE = Anti-ANY DEATH (including killing through Wars, Euthanasia, and Abortion). It's about consistency in the ideology. The ideology is used to SERVE the people (the people don't serve the ideology). Therefore, when there is a conflict between the ideology and safety to the people, exceptions can be made in certain circumstances (e.g. rape, incest, & harm to the mother as justified reasons to allow abortion, homeland security/self-defense as a valid reason to go to war). Remember, these are EXCEPTIONS to the rule. | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 5:19:15 PM | You know, maybe in the Old Testament God would have sent His warriors on a war 'task', but I can't buy into this way of thinking at all. In fact, the more I hear and read about Palin, the more afraid I feel, and after Bush/Rove/Rumsfeld/Cheney, I thought it couldn't GET any scarier.
Wrong me. | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 5:20:51 PM | When a leader has imposed a Deity's guidance or "will", the worst parts of history can be found.
The last time a leader stated that God chose him? Oh... he's still President for a few more months. How will the history books look back on this time? | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 5:43:40 PM | There was an earlier post about how in Alaska, ALL of the citzens of Alaska share in the Natural Resources, and the revenues derived from those resources; including Sarah Palin's family.
Following is an excerpt of the commentary regarding the Alaska State Constitution, which was ratified in 1956, and adopted in January 3, 1959:
[edit] Article VIII: Natural Resources
Article VIII is the first article dealing solely and broadly with resources to appear in a state constitution. The delegates wished to curtail what was seen as abuse of Alaska's resources (citation omitted) and ensure reasonable development to broaden Alaska's economic base. The chief principle was that resources should be managed as a public trust, providing "for maximum use consistent with the public interest", further defined as "utilization, development, and conservation... for the maximum benefit of [the] people"; for common access to resources; and for development to be based on sustainable yield. Article VIII also provides for state parks and protected areas, and for the leasing of state lands for resource development.
I don't know it for fact. However, judging from her pictures, Sandra Palin doesn't appear to have been old enough to have any influence on the political events of 1956, or 1959.
Since ALL citizens of Alaska share, as I understand it, equally, in whatever revenue is generated by Alaska's Natural Resources, Ms. Palin's family would receive no greater share in the revenues than any other family residing in Alaska.
Pro-LIFE = Anti-ANY DEATH (including killing through Wars, Euthanasia, and Abortion). It's about consistency in the ideology. The ideology is used to SERVE the people (the people don't serve the ideology). Therefore, when there is a conflict between the ideology and safety to the people, exceptions can be made in certain circumstances (e.g. rape, incest, & harm to the mother as justified reasons to allow abortion, homeland security/self-defense as a valid reason to go to war). Remember, these are EXCEPTIONS to the rule.
Try as I might, I cannot follow the logic trail in this statement.
Exceptions are made in the law concerning the unlawful taking of a human life, because such is necessitated by the reality living in society.
The lawful taking of the life of another during war time is the same exception that has been in existence for a very long time, and can be traced back to the days of Common Law. During war time, it is a kill, or be killed, situation; i.e. self defense.
As for homeland security, please correct me if I may have seen something that wasn't there, or heard news reports that were not broadcast.
As I recall, there were several UN resolutions passed, and a great deal of effort made, on behalf of many organizations, to avoid a war in Iraq.
If the intelligence was, in fact, faulty; then, a great many nations, not merely the US, had, and acted upon, faulty intelligence.
Maybe, just maybe, Saddam over played his hand, and got his bluff called. Unfortunately for Saddam, the coalition forces weren't bluffing. | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 5:50:58 PM |
Rather interesting statements, coming from a martial arts instructor.
One of my martial arts instructors once said, in an open class of adults: "If someone hits me, it's on."
According to Webster's Dictionary "martial" means combat, or the art of combat.
While the modern martial arts teach non-violence, the martial arts only came about as a way of engaging in combat with what few implements those who developed the martial arts were left with, by marauding armies.
Combat, does not logically evoke a connotation of peace, forgiveness, and non-violence.
It is not only modern martial arts that teach or taught non-violence.
Allow me to share with you some famous quotes of others more distinguished than I. Warriors of old.
"Master the divine techniques of the Art of Peace and no enemy will dare to challenge you." - Ueshiba
"For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill." - Sun Tzu
"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." - Sun Tzu
"A violent mind wields a careless sword." Miyamoto Musashi
"An angry man will defeat himself in battle as well as in life." Samurai saying
"Every minute that you are angry, you lose sixty seconds of joy." Julian Germain
"He who conquers himself is the mightiest warrior." Confucius
"To win one hundred victories in one hundred wars is not the ultimate skill. To stop the enemy without fighting is the ultimate skill." Sun-Tzu, The Art of War
"Train with both the heart and soul without worrying about theory." Gichin Funakoshi
"True victory is not defeating an enemy. True victory gives love and changes the enemy's
heart." Morihei Ueshiba, founder of Aikido
"If instead of fighting with him you say to your enemy, "You have won" and bow before him, that is the biggest deed in the world." Mathavan Asan, master of the southern style of Kalaripayit
My humble addition is Martial arts is not about mastery of combat with others but, combat within ones self. It is not about chopping and taming an enemy outside of ones self but taming the one within. It is not about making war but, bringing one self to peace.
There is no reason for us to invade another nation and claim it is in defense. One does not defend by invasion. This supposed task from god as this young lady Madam Pulin speaks of is no task from god. It is an invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation and will only cause more violence. Violence does not bring peace it only begets more violence. The violence enters the people like a parasite it seems to disappear for a short time much like a parasite only to burst forth in greater numbers another day and infect more people. Only forgiveness, compassion, love and nonviolence brings about true peace.
In martial arts the violence is contained inside the art which allows the practitioner to develop their body mind and spirit for the purpose of peace, free of violence. Some people abuse this and misuse it misleading people to believing martial arts are for the purpose of violence. Those who believe this have been deceived by one who has yet to master themselves and contain the violence so they can have peace.
Kab | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 6:23:58 PM | ps. My dad taught me you cannot legislate morality. Immoral people will just break the law. However, you can legislate immorality. Tell a moral person that an immoral behavior is legal and they may mistakenly believe that makes it moral, too.
And "moral" people don't break the law????
Isn't that one of the big questions faced by the abortion option.Morals headfirst into legalities??
Drive 56 mph and you're breaking the law in many places...are your moralities sacrificed as well??
We already know she can't pronounce the word "nuclear" so let's see how she does with "Medvedev."
And neither can many other politicians so I guess we should be glad Obama actually says "ask"? | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 7:12:18 PM | "In simple terms, this means that a life cannot lawfully be taken, with some limited exceptions, from the time of conception to the time of death.
Thou shalt not kill, is a rather archaic interpretation of the hebrew language.
All, but the oldest of interpretations of the ten commandments, replaces the word "kill" with the word "murder"."
Shame on them. Clearly they do not understand the difference between the two words. It reminds me of the translation that changed the story from a coin of great value to a dime.
A killing is only a murder if it is illegal. God never said: Thou shalt not kill unless you pass a law that says it is ok to kill and then it is murder so it is ok.
This is why pro-lifers cannot call an abortion a murder ... because it is legal. A human being is killed, not murdered, under the existing laws. | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 7:17:32 PM | "There is no reason for us to invade another nation and claim it is in defense. One does not defend by invasion."
Current President Bush just stated that the Republican party can count on McCain to attack any other country he feels the need to attack in a pre-emptive attack if he fears that they just might be a threat.
So, vote McCain and count on attacking more countries ... and listen to the delegates cheers for that idea if you think McCain and Bush and Palin are the only ones who want to continue these offenses against the God they claim to follow. | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 7:24:07 PM | If we use the same rationale that was used in attacking obama....
based on the video posted in the original post, Sarah Palin believes that we're in the biblical "end days" that there's a good chance that Alaska will survive the tribulation, and we need God's help to keep Alaska prosperous with a pipeline and we need god's help to keep the US strong doing God's work in Iraq. | |
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| Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 7:29:15 PM | Hmmm... I wonder if Sarah Palin's god is not the one most of us worship, who said "Turn the other cheek" and things like that.
I suspect maybe she worships the Roman god of War: Mars.. or some god like that... not the one I believe in. | |
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