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 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 9/8/2008 8:58:50 AM
I am so tired of seeing the Democrats using race as an issue. It is a simple case of the top of the tickets experience...experience...experience. Quit with the blame on Obama's race. Really.
 Slowride_

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Posted: 9/8/2008 9:04:08 AM

I am so tired of seeing the Democrats using race as an issue. It is a simple case of the top of the tickets experience...experience...experience. Quit with the blame on Obama's race. Really.


I am so tired of seeing the Republicans using sexism as an issue. It is a simple case of the entire tickets experience...experience...experience. Quit using Palin's being a woman as a crutch and thinking she should be treated differently than any other candidate. Really.
 flyonthewall!

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Posted: 9/8/2008 9:08:27 AM

well if its such a fact post some proof. I've seen Mrs. Powell speak about her husbands hate mail a number of times and she didn't seem to depressed to me. she seemed concerned.


Um, sure. It's no secret:

Alma Powell talks about depression
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n17_v91/ai_19239933

Powell's camp hits wife story sees foes behind tale of depression


Tuesday, October 31th 1995, 4:11AM

WASHINGTON Colin Powell's backers are fuming about reports that his wife has been on anti-depressants for a decade and they're suggesting political enemies planted the story.

Alma Powell, 57, suffers from depression and has been treated for a chemical imbalance since being diagnosed more than 10 years ago, the latest issue of Newsweek says.

"That's exactly the kind of nonsense" that threatens to keep Powell from running, his cousin Bruce Llewellyn said angrily.


http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/1995/10/31/1995-10-31_powell_s_camp_hits_wife_stor.html
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 9/8/2008 9:18:43 AM

I am so tired of seeing the Republicans using sexism as an issue. It is a simple case of the entire tickets experience...experience...experience. Quit using Palin's being a woman as a crutch and thinking she should be treated differently than any other candidate. Really.


Huh? Who's doing that? The only thing I see Sarah Palin or the Rep. ticket requesting is to keep the kids...all the Candidates' kids...both tickets... off limits. Nothing more or less.

The polls will keep McCain/Palin in the lead if all these investigations on Palin go nowhere. And, remember, she is being investigated far more than Obama. And, he's at the top of the Dem. ticket.
 oscarz05

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Posted: 9/8/2008 9:32:06 AM
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Posted: 9/8/2008 12:08:27 PM


well if its such a fact post some proof. I've seen Mrs. Powell speak about her husbands hate mail a number of times and she didn't seem to depressed to me. she seemed concerned.


Um, sure. It's no secret:

Alma Powell talks about depression
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n17_v91/ai_19239933

Powell's camp hits wife story sees foes behind tale of depression



Tuesday, October 31th 1995, 4:11AM


WASHINGTON Colin Powell's backers are fuming about reports that his wife has been on anti-depressants for a decade and they're suggesting political enemies planted the story.

Alma Powell, 57, suffers from depression and has been treated for a chemical imbalance since being diagnosed more than 10 years ago, the latest issue of Newsweek says.

"That's exactly the kind of nonsense" that threatens to keep Powell from running, his cousin Bruce Llewellyn said angrily.


http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/1995/10/31/1995-10-31_powell_s_camp_hits_wife_stor.html


I'd say both those articles make my point. neither of them has any proof that Powell didn't run because his wife was depressed, although I have to say that given the current betting on Obama surviving the first six months in office, I think she might have had a pretty good reason to be depressed.

why in the world would your wife being treated for depression (and hardly clinically debilitating depression) would keep you from running for office is beyond me. it apparently didn't keep him from being Secretary of State.
 no1shero

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Posted: 9/8/2008 9:36:25 AM
I vaguely remember an interview in 1996 in which Sec. Powell did say that the reason he did not run in the election was because of the colour of his skin.

I want to say this interview was on CNN but 60 minutes popped into my head also. So I am not for sure where I heard it. But I vaguely do remember it.

That and my grandmother saying...

"I just don't think I can vote for him. I guess I would vote for Clinton."

Gotta love grandparents.
 flyonthewall!

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Posted: 9/8/2008 9:37:51 AM
oscarz05--

I don't know why. The article just states that was a reason. There are many others. If you are interested in them just Google "Alma Powell" with the words depression.

When these stories came out Barack Obama wasn't even in the Illinois Senate yet, much less running for President.

And while I don't want to see Obama win, I am not happy about the fact that his assassination prospects are high.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 9/8/2008 9:51:41 AM
And while I don't want to see Obama win, I am not happy about the fact that his assassination prospects are high.


Remember when Obama used to shop at Target, instead of being one ?

I'm really glad you aren't happy about that, honestly.
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 9/8/2008 10:15:43 AM
New USA-Gallup Poll has McCain/Palin ticket with a 4 point lead now. (that's the one my source told me about prior to it being officially released and where I got the 4 pts from as posted early yesterday).

Among likely Voters, McCain/Palin ticket is 10 pts ahead of Obama/Biden.
 flyonthewall!

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Posted: 9/8/2008 10:20:07 AM

Send me $5000.00 and I'll give you the results you want. If you give me the zip codes of republican states I can make your results look worth it.


I'll do it for free. In RCP as of this moment McCain is up 3.2 percent, which means he has now gotten a double digit bounce from his campaign. Not only that, but McCain is approaching the high number of 49.2 percent that Obama had last week (McCain is currently at 48.6 percent).

I don't see how you can claim that the very same polls were accurate when they showed Obama in the lead, are now somehow inaccurate when they don't show the results you want.

CNN and HotlineFD Tracking are tied, USA Today/Gallup is +10, Rasmussen +1, and Gallup +5.
 HalftimeDad

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Posted: 9/8/2008 10:25:45 AM
I'm unable to find anyone who is claiming that the current polls are inaccurate.

This is going exactly the way everyone predicted: Obama would get a boost after the DNC; McCain would get a boost after the RNC.

The real campaign is starting now. A gaffe by either slate is going to have a huge effect. The coverage will probably continue to focus on Obama, as that is what the GOP has been successfully managing for months now. Palin is the wild card, since that will bring some attention to the Republican ticket - something they have been desperately trying to avoid.
 MacKevinized

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Posted: 9/8/2008 10:31:22 AM

I don't see how you can claim that the very same polls were accurate when they showed Obama in the lead, are now somehow inaccurate when they don't show the results you want.

CNN and HotlineFD Tracking are tied, USA Today/Gallup is +10, Rasmussen +1, and Gallup +5.


I never claim polls are accurate, So I don't know how you see me claiming they are. It is pseudo science. virtually every pollster has 'predicted' the correct outcome at some point but with predictions every day, at least there was one day they were right.
 o4

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Posted: 9/8/2008 11:44:33 AM
I don't see how you can claim that the very same polls were accurate when they showed Obama in the lead, are now somehow inaccurate when they don't show the results you want.

CNN and HotlineFD Tracking are tied, USA Today/Gallup is +10, Rasmussen +1, and Gallup +5.

Additionally, Pollster dot com has moved Michigan from the Obama Zone to Undecided.
And, on Yahoo this moring is a big ol' article that reports that "A CNN/Time poll showed the race deadlocked at 48 percent, and a Hotline/Diageo poll put the two candidates even at 44 percent."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080908/pl_nm/usa_politics_poll_dc
 GapeMan

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Posted: 9/8/2008 12:26:29 PM
I can't help it if you work with a bunch of asshats. If Barack was white and named Fred Smitih he still wouldn't have any more experience than he does as Barack Obama, and I still wouldn't be voting for him.

If someone with a name like Nicolas Sarkozy can be President of France, I don't see why someone with the name Barack Obama, even Barack Hussein Obama, can't be President of the United States.

What's stopping Obama is experience and a few other things that have come out making people question his ethics. Had Obama already had a couple of terms in the Senate under his belt people would have had an actual record to evaluate. Absent that, they have to evaluate him on the little bit that is out there.


What makes Obama unqualified? What qualifications does McCain have? Military experience isn't a prerequisite; Bush was voted in twice, has no military experience. McCain is the one that got you into the blunder in Iraq (which will never be won despite your best wishes; are Israelis safe or are there constant bombings there despite the best security and military technology in the world?). You can't win occupations.

As for Obama's Senate track record:


In 1998 in the Illinois Senate, Obama cosponsored an ethics overhaul that bars elected officials from using their campaign funds for personal use and and was called the the first major overhaul of Illinois campaign and ethics laws in 25 years. It also bans fundraisers in the state Capitol during legislative sessions. Obama’s Republican cosponsor Kirk Dillard even appeared in an Obama ad last summer describing Obama’s skills working with members of both parties to get legislation passed.

In Washington, Obama was instrumental in helping to craft the 2007 ethics reform law that ended gifts and meals from lobbyists, cut off subsidized jet travel for members of Congress, required lobbyists to disclose contributions they “bundle” to candidates, and put the brakes on other, similar common practices.

In addition, we already noted in a recent article Obama’s efforts with Republican senators to help detect and secure weapons of mass destruction and to destroy conventional weapons stockpiles around the world, and to create a publicly searchable database on federal spending.


- http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin_part_ii.html

There is no shortage of people within the military and outside the military that say McCain is ill-tempered and shouldn't be President.
Fellow POW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjsEs46C70

"It is not difficult in Washington to find high-level military officials who have had close encounters with John McCain's temper, and who find it worrisome. Politicians sometimes scream for effect, but the concern is that McCain has, at times, come across as out of control. It is difficult to find current or former officers willing to describe those encounters in detail on the record. That's because, by and large, those officers admire McCain. But that doesn't mean they want his finger on the proverbial button, and they are supporting Clinton or Obama instead. " - http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/03/06/commander_in_chief/


Personally I don't think this should have stood in the way of Powell running for office, and knowing of his wife's treatment would not have influenced me in voting for him. In fact, I did know about it at the time.

I'm simply stating that this was a reason Powell chose not to run.

And if you are implying in some way that I'm a racist, I don't appreciate that. FWIW, I have several black step-siblings and a biracial half-sister who would disagree.


Having bi-racial relatives doesn't mean you can't be racist, bigotted, or prejudiced. Plenty of men are married to women and have children with them yet believe women are not their equals.
 GapeMan

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Posted: 9/8/2008 12:31:27 PM
Palin second in command:
http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm

You have questions about Obama's ethics? He was involved in ethics reform in the Senate as posted above.

What about McCain's ethics? He's been part of the problems for a quarter of a century.

Is this a man of ethics, reform, and change? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLDvD-g2CmM

Keating 5 anybody?
 flyonthewall!

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Posted: 9/8/2008 1:58:58 PM
What makes Obama unqualified?


No federal legislative nor state government experience at the executive level. These are the two primary entrees into the office of President.


What qualifications does McCain have? Military experience isn't a prerequisite;


Four years in the House of Representatives and 21 years in the Senate.


Bush was voted in twice, has no military experience.


Oh yes he does. He was a fighter pilot in the National Guard.


McCain is the one that got you into the blunder in Iraq (which will never be won despite your best wishes;


I was never in favor of the Iraq war, but there are plenty of Democrats who voted for it including Edwards, Clinton and Obama's VP pick, Joe Biden. Obama was not in the Senate during that time, so his pronoucements of being "against the Iraq war" have no teeth. He can't prove his position.

Tell me, how was McCain any more responsible for us being in Iraq than Joe Biden, since they BOTH voted for the war?


There is no shortage of people within the military and outside the military that say McCain is ill-tempered and shouldn't be President. Fellow POW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjsEs46C70


You know, before I even went over to YouTube, I knew it had to be Phil Butler, and I wasn't disappointed. He is a left to the left of left, left winger! One of the few Vietnam POWs who is. I know both him and his wife Barbara.

However, if you ask any of the other 500 plus Vietnam era POWs who are still living, they won't agree with you -- or with Phil Butler -- and that counts quite a few who I know don't like McCain.


Having bi-racial relatives doesn't mean you can't be racist, bigotted, or prejudiced. Plenty of men are married to women and have children with them yet believe women are not their equals.


Oh Lord, so now you're calling me a bigot without any proof of such. That's pretty low. Do not do it again -- it's so against the rules!

 oscarz05

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Posted: 9/8/2008 2:05:04 PM

Oh yes he does. He was a fighter pilot in the National Guard.




you are kidding here right? have you seen the transcripts of his record? the guy should have been court marshalled for the amount of time he would have been AWOL if his dad wasn't who he was.
 flyonthewall!

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Posted: 9/8/2008 2:18:37 PM
I agree, but he still has military experience.
 oscarz05

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Posted: 9/8/2008 2:23:10 PM
"I agree, but he still has military experience. "

if that counts as military experience then I'm George Patton, Stone Wall Jackson, Dwight Eisenhower and Robert E. Lee rolled into one.
 rayzrsharp

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Posted: 9/8/2008 2:27:34 PM

if that counts as military experience then I'm George Patton, Stone Wall Jackson, Dwight Eisenhower and Robert E. Lee rolled into one.


LOLOLOLL!!! Much needed laugh. Thanks!! Hysterical!!
 Ready4SomethingFun

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Posted: 9/8/2008 2:44:38 PM

Remember when Obama used to shop at Target, instead of being one ?



I propose a new Republican campaign slogan:

Save Obama - Vote McCain


But seriously, if he was really worried about threats don't you think he'd be calling up the vatican to see if he could use that bullet proof cage they have? Most of the threats are from goofball meth-heads that get caught before they even get to the venues.

If you don't like a president, just wait a few years, they'll be another one to hate just as much.
 GapeMan

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Posted: 9/8/2008 2:46:44 PM
No federal legislative nor state government experience at the executive level. These are the two primary entrees into the office of President.


How much executive experience does McCain have? Paltry too.


Four years in the House of Representatives and 21 years in the Senate.


So many years, so little accomplishment. This is about change, right?


Oh yes he does. He was a fighter pilot in the National Guard.


You're reaching. I think even McCain would laugh at this assertion. Sad. If this somehow qualified Bush for President, Kerry should have been a shoe-in.


I was never in favor of the Iraq war, but there are plenty of Democrats who voted for it including Edwards, Clinton and Obama's VP pick, Joe Biden. Obama was not in the Senate during that time, so his pronoucements of being "against the Iraq war" have no teeth. He can't prove his position.

Tell me, how was McCain any more responsible for us being in Iraq than Joe Biden, since they BOTH voted for the war?


Maybe he can't prove it, but he did take a stand against it at a time when it was not exactly politically expedient to do so ( ie. long before 2/3 of Americans believed going into Iraq was wrong).

And yes, by your own reasoning McCain bears more responsibility for Iraq than does Biden. Why? Because McCain has military experience yet STILL made the wrong judgement call on Iraq when he had a 50/50 chance to get it right. Truth is McCain is part of the whole Neocon/Israel Lobby war machine. Nobody can stop the latter now that troops are over overseas. Nobody is going to bring the troops back any time soon.

However, if you ask any of the other 500 plus Vietnam era POWs who are still living, they won't agree with you -- or with Phil Butler -- and that counts quite a few who I know don't like McCain.


Hey, a guy who kept my spirits up when I was a POW would be close to my heart, too. This doesn't qualify him as President. Being fearless and hot-headed can be detrimental. Why did you ignore the article which states it's easy to find top military men who find McCain's temperament worrisome?


Oh Lord, so now you're calling me a bigot without any proof of such. That's pretty low. Do not do it again -- it's so against the rules!


I didn't call you anything. You made a statement that you are not so-and-so pointing to the fact you have bi-racial relatives as some kind of proof or evidence. I stated that this doesn't mean you aren't. Of course, I never said that you were in the first place. Only YOU know if you are or are not. You don't know if I am either, but if I told you that I'm not racist because I have bi-racial people in my family, it wouldn't make a difference. It's all but irrelevant with the exception of overt racists, which are hard to find in today's time.
 flyonthewall!

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Posted: 9/8/2008 2:57:34 PM

You don't know if I am either, but if I told you that I'm not racist because I have bi-racial people in my family, it wouldn't make a difference.


No, but I'd believe you and wouldn't have made the statement you made.

As far as as McCain being more culpable than Biden for Iraq, that's laughable. Being in a fighter pilot in the military doesn't make you a military intelligence expert.
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 9/8/2008 4:08:27 PM
The TV news is talking about the poll which has McCain/Palin ticket up 10 points over Obama/Biden amongst likely voters. The discussion is whether this is a trend or just a bounce. IMHO, it's a trend. Will see.

The Electoral map is looking a lot different now.
 no1shero

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Posted: 9/8/2008 4:19:37 PM

you are kidding here right? have you seen the transcripts of his record? the guy should have been court marshalled for the amount of time he would have been AWOL if his dad wasn't who he was.


His dad had little to do with it. If you research out what the requirements were, you would discover it was all hour based in the late 60's/early 70's. He did most of his hours in the first 2-3 months. Even the commander of the guard unit agreed to it! He didn't agree with it though.
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