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Posted: 9/3/2008 3:40:50 PM | Christians aren't allowed to be horny and talk about sex?!?!?!
Oh sh:t I'm going straight to Hell then!!! 
I had a BF - on Sunday mornings he used to turn on the Christian church shows - I had to tell him to turn them off while we lay naked in bed together - 'cause I didn't want to burst into flames!! 
Come on OP how the heck do ya think we all got here - SEX - and a great deal of us are Christian!! Just 'cause ya believe in Christ doesn't mean you cannot be sexual or talk about sex!! Heck the preacher in church even talks about it sometimes!!  | |
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Posted: 9/3/2008 7:45:33 PM | | I clarified in a later post that I meant doing the act, not talking about it. Im a non-believer, I dont have to worry about it. Just wondering how those that are christian reconcile it with their religion. | |
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Posted: 9/3/2008 10:57:49 PM |
I clarified in a later post that I meant doing the act, not talking about it. Im a non-believer, I dont have to worry about it. Just wondering how those that are christian reconcile it with their religion.
There is nothing to reconcile. There are, of course, many Christian sects, and some of them have better attitudes towards ENJOYING sex (or anything else, for that matter -- the Puritans must have been miserable cusses). In general, they blessed sexual unions within marriage, because that created more little Christians!
There are some really explicit sexual images and descriptions in the Bible -- especially the Songs of Solomon if you know where to look. Some of the juicier details have been lost in translation, as when one Psalm has a man speaking of drinking the wine out of his lover's navel -- when in fact, in the ancient Hebrew and Greek versions, the part of the anatomy described is somewhat lower than her navel (guess the English translator didn't like the word vulva or the Old-English word c__t?).
Many of the rules taken from the Bible were made in the times when people had no simple birth control, poor understanding of disease, little or no medical care. When you have none of these, some of the rules make sense. No premarital sex means that no unwanted starving children will be born, and no women will go uncared for during childbirth (well, at least in theory). These were ETHICAL choices in those circumstances. Some people took these ethical choices a bit too seriously and the rules became oppressive and unforgiving.
To some, the responsible use of birth control and STD prevention is an ethical choice which is available to us in the 21st Century. Some Christians embrace this, some do not.
In general, the anti-sex sects tend to die out (have you met any Shakers recently?). Seriously!
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Posted: 9/3/2008 10:58:46 PM |
I'm always entertained by clean shaven preachers who quote the Leviticus on the the subject of human sexuality but ignore the other rules.
Yeah, I've wondered about this. I'm not going to look it up now (memory seems to think it's Lev. 19:19 but I won't swear to it.) There are folks who point to this passage in Leviticus and say, well The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination. Yet, in verses shortly before it and after it, Leviticus says that men should not cut the hair at their temples (which is why Hasidic Jews have those long locks), you should not wear cloth woven of two different fabrics (God apparently hates cotton-poly blends), you should burn your house down if it gets mold in it (when was the last time anyone did that?), and you should not plant two different crops in the same field. (no intercropping for organic farmers.) It says if a man dies without a son, his brother should get his wife pregnant so he can have a son for an heir. There's all sorts of stuff that folks don't follow, yet they're obsessed with that one line about homosexuality. Why is this?
Meanwhile, one guy, on another thread, who listed himself as "Christian" also said he only had sex with "call girls." I don't get it. | |
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Posted: 9/3/2008 11:54:55 PM |
I noticed that a lot of users posting in topics about sex, talk about their own sexuality. Yet in the majority of the profiles of these users, they list themselves as christian. How do you reconcile that with yourselves?
A few random thoughts:
There just might be a wee bit of disagreement over what the term “Christian” means here, just like
every other place on the Planet.
Rationalization is a very powerful tool on the Forums, just like every other area of life.
OP, you may have noticed a few folks have been accused of lying about their age, weight, number of
available teeth, gender and other such “minor” issues for a dating site. So the idea that some might be
lying about either sexual activity or Religion ( or both) shouldn’t be shocking or troubling.
Never underestimate the power of hypocrisy in it’s search mediocrity. | |
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Posted: 9/4/2008 4:58:54 AM | The word "Christian" is supposed to refer to one's faith in God, is it not?
One can believe in God, pray, read his/her Bible and call themselves "Christian" but have conflicting views with other believers on how one should live their own lives.
Having been raised in a so-called "Christian" home (my father was a preacher), I feel qualified to point out that most who profess to be "Christian" choose only parts of the Bible to follow and make their own interpretations of passages to support their own beliefs, or to justify their narrow-mindedness, and to pass judgement on others.
I believe in God, I pray, and have read the Bible cover-to-cover, but I refuse to call myself a "Christian". I'll answer only to God for my sins, no one else.
And on the issue of premarital sex - if one feels guilty afterward, then I think it's because of their own beliefs on that subject, and no one else has any business forcing opposing beliefs on someone who doesn't have guilt issues. | |
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Posted: 9/4/2008 9:52:09 AM | What I am amazed at is that so many well educated and non well educated people around the world choose to listen to "teachings" that were put in place to control the masses. The Bible, the Kohran, and any other type of propoganda that has been put in place as a "way we should live" tool is a joke. Humans were born with the ability to ask questions, the ability was not given to us. It EVOLVED into us. The same is try with our sexual natures. All that these teachings do for us in the bedroom is put shackles on us. They give us guidelines and rules, when in reality the more you try to push people into one form of thought, the more pushback you will receive. In some countries that claim to be Christian, the men are allowed to marry multiple wives, as was the custom when the Bible was written.
So is that people are just sheep and will listen to the strongest voice, or is it that those that force there religion onto there friends, family, children, and so on, are really saving us, or are they conforming us? | |
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Posted: 9/4/2008 12:00:44 PM | | Eric. I have to disagree with you, I am a History Professor, with a degree also in religious history and if you will take the time you will find out that the bible does talk about all the things you said it didnt mention and some in great detail. And in the old testament, many were considered crimes and the punishment was stoning to death. | |
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Posted: 9/4/2008 12:19:52 PM | | If not for sex, where did all of those Chritians come from. As I remember there was a lot of begatting in the Bible too! | |
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Posted: 9/4/2008 12:30:59 PM |
God created sex and in turn created us to be sexual beings. There is nothing wrong talkinging about sex and your experiences. It's the not talking about it that is damaging.
Very good point, I have learned a lot reading these threads as I am sure others have as well. I often thought about what the OP asked although I am Jewish I am not religious and the facts are the facts lets face it not everyone can speak openly with or about this topic we call sex. OT how many times is it the people who believe one way and try to leave an impression on everyone alway's are the first to participate behind closed doors to the point it becomes a big deal when it comes out in the open and are usually the first to get caught with there hand in the cookie jar. | |
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Posted: 9/4/2008 12:36:19 PM |
I believe in God, I pray, and have read the Bible cover-to-cover, but I refuse to call myself a "Christian". I'll answer only to God for my sins, no one else.
And on the issue of premarital sex - if one feels guilty afterward, then I think it's because of their own beliefs on that subject, and no one else has any business forcing opposing beliefs on someone who doesn't have guilt issues.
This is another fine example of this so called topic, the way I see it is exactly what rxlady has stated I don't think it could be put any better. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2008 10:34:23 PM | My faith is real. It would be of no use to me if it weren't. If anyone is niave enough to believe that God who created them doesn't see them and know their thoughts and all about them, then I truly feel sorry for them.
What people seem to do is mistake relationship with their creator with religion. Religion is manmade. Relationship with Christ is reality. There are spiritual laws for your own safety just as there are civil laws for your safety. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2008 10:38:11 PM | I had a BF - on Sunday mornings he used to turn on the Christian church shows - I had to tell him to turn them off while we lay naked in bed together - 'cause I didn't want to burst into flames!!
You have issues, sweetie. First of all, you must have grown up in a family where your dad was abusive. He probably sexually abused you and your mom stood by and did nothing.
There are telltale things about you, first you look matronly. Secondly, you boast about your "numerous sexual encounters". I can see that you could easily be used as a sexual victim.
I wouldn't have sex with you if I were male....only if I were drunk and horny.
You really should seek a good, qualified counselor and get this issue with you dad or your brothers resolved.
You don't have to impress anyone with what a "slut" you are anymore than those on other forums need to impress anyone with their intelligence. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2008 10:53:11 PM | pom, I believe that I still list myself as "Christian Other" here, and must agree w/ my like-minded and hearted 'partner--in-crime' for the sex out of wedlock that we're in no hurry to become hypocrites. I came across a quote by Ghandi earlier today, and it rings true.
"I like your Christ, but I don't like Christians ...as so many live so unChrist-like." It only confirms my belief that it's not up to me to judge others for what they choose to believe, but when they read into what's not been written for their being such and such, including be judgmental of others ...who are free to believe what they will, I have a problem for what's none of their business. Especially so if they create unnecessary problems for me and mine. I abide by The Ten Commandments ...as well as what Christ tried to instill in us for living an everlasting life through him, and these don't include sex-before-marriage as being a sin. Is marriage w/o sex is a sin? | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 6:13:19 AM | | Are you serious? You think Christians don't have sex drives? And by the way, last time I checked God gave us the sex drive we so freely talk about.....it's not God who has the problem with sex.....it's the men and women who claim to serve Him and hold to puritanical beliefs that don't mesh with the Bible. The Bible says that God walked with Adam every night in the garden before he and eve sinned.....I imagine the following conversation took place not long after God made Eve....its a beautiful evening and they're both walking with God cuz they have a question....Eve points to Adams hard on and says "whats that and what does he do with it?' do you think God blushed, stammered around, and finally handed the two of them a book? Don't think so...I think God had a very long and detailed talk with adam and i'll bet you adam was an incredible lover! After all, his creator exlained everything to him. I'm a Christian and I'll talk about sex any time and anyplace I feel like it. You think God's embarassed about the perfecly fine sex drive He gave us? Nope, thats human crap. Thats as ridiculous as aasking why an athiest would discuss their sex drive when they don't believe their is one who created it! Balderdash! | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 7:45:01 AM | I totally agree with mishy71!! God IS...love.
Not sex, God created sex but God is love. Big diff. He didn't/doesn't condone bed hopping anymore than the creator of the Chevy condones going out on I-BFE and driving 120 mph in rush hour traffic.
The no sex sans marriage rule wasn't/isn't to punish anyone, its for our protection. One thing he doesn't do is force his will on his kids or anyone else. Do you love your kids? Do you want them hurting themselves and do you want someone to hurt them? Uhhh,,no, well God is Big Daddy and he loves his kids.
You know, I reeeeaaaalllllyyyyy enjoy sex, but I want to live a long long time and the owner's manual for this hot, sexy, beautiful body doesn't include doing yours or letting you do me without the sanctions and registry being filled out and signed.
I slip up once in a while, and my soul, my spirituality pays the price. For every act of random sex, "you take a piece of me with you", "everytime you go away...la, la, la,la, you take a piece of me with you."
Everytime you smoke a cancer stick, you take a day off your life....that's the way it works. It's science. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 12:16:51 PM |
Yet in the majority of the profiles of these users, they list themselves as christian. How do you reconcile that with yourselves?
I think a lot of people put themselves into the "Christian" category because they simply believe in God (although "spiritual" would probably be a better description in my opinion).
I saw a profile the other day where a woman actually said in her profile "I'm a Christian, but that doesn't mean I don't know how to party and have a good time!". Um, yeah... | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 8:36:35 PM | Lol...I think the same. Being a Christian is a state of being as much as being a woman or being a good cook or being a Democrat or a Republican.
It is a relationship with the very one who knew about you before you were a twinkle in your mom's eye. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2008 5:40:32 AM | I recently read a book called 'The Shack', a fiction about loss and horror, then reconciliation with the Godhead. The book's description of the Trinity was both humorous and enlightening.
For my part, being a Christian is about relationship, not religion. Religion is no different than corporate America. Religion has a CEO, a board of directors, power hungry, money grubbing losers who suck the life out of their constituents.
Relationship with your Creator is the key to all power and wisdom. The act of sex without blessing, is just a symptom of a lack of intimacy with your Creator and a deprivation of understanding of what is really important in life. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2008 6:08:29 AM | The answer to the OP's question is quite simple. Christianity in the USA is mostly a feel-good religion in which people pick and choose what they like and ignore all the real hard parts of the religion. I'm going to heaven? Hey that sounds good, I'll keep that. People I disagree with are going to be tortured for eternity? Hey since I'm a hateful person I like that too. Gays are bad? Awesome. Oh wait, Leviticus says I can't eat shrimp? Well, I guess I'll ignore that part. Easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Oh wait, I don't like that, I'm American so I want to drive a fancy SUV while millions live in poverty. I'll delete that part. Jesus says you shouldn't lust after anyone, and St. Paul actually encourages people to get married only as a last resort? Yeah, I like sex so I'll forget that one too.
I am an atheist, but I respect Christians who actually follow through with the demand for celibacy. Unfortunately, almost no one does. 95% of the USA are really atheists if you judge them by their actions. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2008 6:20:32 AM | Christians like sex also im sure , i think people forget , that Humans are just sophisticated animals , we have instincts and urges , its natural to wanna F*ck , like all animals ,,,
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Posted: 9/22/2008 6:26:33 AM |
You have issues, sweetie. First of all, you must have grown up in a family where your dad was abusive. He probably sexually abused you and your mom stood by and did nothing.
There are telltale things about you, first you look matronly. Secondly, you boast about your "numerous sexual encounters". I can see that you could easily be used as a sexual victim.
I wouldn't have sex with you if I were male....only if I were drunk and horny.
You really should seek a good, qualified counselor and get this issue with you dad or your brothers resolved.
You don't have to impress anyone with what a "slut" you are anymore than those on other forums need to impress anyone with their intelligence.
Wow. Guess your Christianty doesn't include the part about not judging others without being judged yourself. Kinda makes me glad I don't claim Christianity as my religion.... | |
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Posted: 9/22/2008 8:35:52 AM | I was gonna seriously post to this thread, went back and reread several of the contributors thoughts, and the air went out.
The cutely cautious lady who quoted a friend as saying that the Bible was written by men with a political agenda got closest to the prize.
I suspect that we have regressed as a species since the publication of the Book, which is presented by Christians as His word, something like Interviews with a Vampire, I think. More carnage has been wrought in its name, or the deity's name (aren't we prohibited from using his real name*, anyway?), or the name of the Son, than for any other.
I am more charmed by Zorba the Greek's advice to the young Englishman. When you finally meet God, and confess your biblical sins, he harumphs, coughs twice into his armpit to suppress the laughter, and brushes them all away save one: if you ever let a woman sleep alone, you go straight to hell.
*Somewhere I read that God's real name is Yahweh. There! Will I now be a spelunker, somewhere below sea level, for that disclosure? I was probably headed that way for the onanism, anyway. Assuming that there is a God, and he did inspire some political kingmakers to script us, how come we can't use his real name to commit atrocities?
If my references here are hazy, or mistaken, Yahweh forgive me. I haven't been to church in so long that I've forgotten His first name. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2008 8:46:49 AM | Where is the correlation between religious beliefs and the power of a libido? Because someone believes in God or a super power they should abstain from sex or multi partners?
How many of us have experienced a partner(s) or even ourselves running off from a romp or scheduling a rendezvous before or immediately after going to take communion or hustling off to their place of worship? I know I have. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2008 9:04:06 AM | Being non-religious, is it wrong for me to scream "OH GOD" when in the throws of passion?  | |
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