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| | Palin Bombshell about to be exposed?Page 11 of 13 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13) | faith, that segment from Bill Maher is great. I love the ad for "mommy and me" pregnancy tests tooo.......
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Posted: 9/7/2008 3:06:35 PM | | I have to admit to wondering when "Woman's Day" is going to ask Mr. Palin for his favorite cookie recipe. We haven't heard anything from him yet, just the sis. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 3:08:33 PM | I posted this on another thread here (that has mysteriously disappeared today). My favorite comment last week was from Jon Stewart of the Daily Show. He was talikint to Newt about Palin's foreign policy experience coming from Alaska being close to Russia (I can't believe one of the McCain team said this on TV). He said well the North Pole is close to Alaska too, that must mean she knows Santa!
I'm still laughing about this one.
Another thing on Palin McCain said on Face the Nation this AM that Palin will be talking to the media later in the week (it will take a WHILE to get her up to speed I guess). He also said she'd be doing 65 media interviews before the elections.
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Posted: 9/7/2008 3:13:44 PM | 1.pro small gov: a argument made by greedy corporate enterprise. It stems from decreasing the # of gov workers (say a military person at $30,000/yr) and replacing it with a private contractor (a person doing the same job at $200k/yr). This spans the military, education, health care etc. We end up paying more.
First of all, the majority of government workers are not in the military. A GS-12 for example makes between $57,709 and $75,025 in base pay, not including benefits, which add around 1/3 more to the cost. The top pay of GS-15 is $95,340 to $124,020. These salaries are quoted without locality pay. If you live in a high cost area, your pay can increase 20 percent above that. So depending GS level of the person being hired, the cost to the government can go WAY OVER $200k per year.
Contracts can be cheaper because you don't have to pay any benefits at all, don't have to maintain them on payroll once their assignment is over. It is virtually impossible to fire a federal government worker.
2. McCain has rarely voted against earmarks although he's made a lot of noise about these. Palin's Alaska was supplemented 20x the national average by federal earmarks. She only turned against the bridge-to-nowhere AFTER it was voted down in the senate.
Vote against earmarks? They are contained in the legislation, you either vote for the bill or you don't. It's the same problem for the President, because there's no line item veto. The President can't veto earmarks without vetoing the entire bill. If McCain REALLY means to veto any bill with an earmark Washington is going to come to a standstill.
There have been many attempts at earmark reform, but so far no bills have been passed to my knowledge.
3. Obama, excellent tax plan. The nonsense about decreasing taxes for the rich (Reganomics, trickledown economics, also called voodoo economics by Bush Sr.) never worked in TN where sales taxes are among the highest and the gov budget is faltering. Conversely, in VA, Mark Warner (D) jacked up corporate taxes and on the rich and turned a faltering state around. He's >80% approval rating there. This was not very different from what Bill Clinton had pursued. Even McCain was against the tax cuts (I never got an answer to this) until near the end of the primaries when he realized he'd need help from Bush's people. There is no proof that increasing corporate taxes will lead to fewer jobs. Just another scare tactic that these kind like to thro out without any evidence.
Don't know where you got that idea, the corporate tax rate in Virginia has been 6 percent since 1999. Mark Warner was governor of Viriginia from 2002-2006. See:
http://www.taxanalysts.com/www/features.nsf/Articles/78C43DD65C90EADE8525739F00591BFC?OpenDocument
No proof that increasing corporate taxes will lead to fewer jobs? Take a look at Ireland. It has the lowest corporate tax rate in the world and a rapidly rising economy. In fact, it's the fastest growing in Europe.
4. Yes, more gov programs for energy etc. It'll be cheaper with oversight from WE THE PEOPLE (ergo the US Gov).
 6. I don't recall McCain saying he's bring the troops home within the same time range as Obama.
Well who knows? First Obama said he'd bring the troops home immediately, then he said 16 months, then he'd said he'd listen to Petraeus. Then he said he wouldn't be sending the tired, over-deployed troops home, but rather he'd be sending them to Afghanistan. McCain said he'd make his decisions with US military officials on a withdrawal date. A good CIC knows to work WITH military leaders and not just make declarations on his own.
9. Give that flyonthewall's just another private citizen, given that several established economic and government experts have endorsed both Obama and McCain, it's really stupid for some no-name-off-the-street New Yorker to proclaim that 'Obama is not qualified' (or McCain for that matter). Can one really be as disingenuous as that? Or is it sheer arrogance?
Well, there are many economists who think that Obama's plan sucks. And many experts who feel Obama isn't qualified. I'm hardly alone in that estimation.
And if we're talking about the "person on the street", you are no more qualified to have an opinion than I am. I'd watch the trolling and flame-baiting if I were you.
Anyway, that was 5 minutes out of my life I'll never get back.
Has anyone explained why Bristol was out of school with 'mononucleosis' for five months immediately preceding the birth of Palin's youngest? I hadn't even heard this until today.......this has to be old news, right?
Don't know, but there's no chance the kid is Bristol's, if that's what you're getting at. She's 5 months pregnant, and Sarah Palin's child was born in April.
'Scuse me madam, but unless you have either a law degree or PhD your education is not "similar" to Obama's. And while I don't know what level of education you have, I do know that Bush has an MBA, which does NOT make his education "similar" to Obama's, Harvard or no Harvard.
Don't know why it matters, but I have two masters degrees from Harvard (public health and public policy), or 3 years postgraduate education. Would have been 4 years, but I did a combined program. Law school is also 3 years.
And while you are right, one doesn't need education to be intelligent, one's intelligence can be measured, to an extent, by how one DOES as a student at university, undergraduate and post-graduate. And on this, again, there is little similarity between Obama and Bush (and McCain for that matter--FIFTH from the bottom of his class as Annapolis? How lame can you get?).
General Grant also graduated at the bottom of his class at West Point. Sometimes great leaders just don't like the confines of formal education.
Abraham Lincoln had a grammar school education. Everything he did after that came from reading on his own.
The upshot is that Bush was a mediocre student, a bad businessman, and a worse president. Feel free to compare yourself to him if you like, but leave Obama out of it. There is NO similarity there.
I don't think Obama's stupid, I just don't think he's qualified to be President. There are a lot of smart people in the world. Bill Gates is smart, Randy Pausch was smart -- doesn't mean they are qualified to be President either.
Please provide evidence that Obama has "squandered" his Senate seat.
Not hard to do. He's been out campaigning instead of being a Senator, and he has no prior experience in the office to rely on. He's drafted precious little legislation, no major legislation, and he missed almost 300 votes just this session.
She was a Clinton supporter and is still bitter.
Do me a favor, don't make assumptions about my motives. I don't make any about yours. Plus, you're wrong.
Who would you rather diagnose and treat illnesses, or perform even minor surgery on you? A doctor who has only been out of school a year or two, or a nurse who has 20 years "real world experience"? Yes, formal education can and often does replace "real world experience".
I wouldn't want EITHER of them operating on me, but given the choice, I'd probably go with the nurse with 20 years real world experience, provided she was a surgical nurse with an advanced degree.
Agreed. I'm just absolutely of the opinion that many people who feel so scared of Obama (citing lack of experience) and are so enthused about Palin (ignoring lack of experience--or cheering it), really just like her more than him because she gives them no reason to believe that she is any smarter or more knowledgable than they are (along with that whole 'scary black man' thing).
I'd prefer it if Palin had more experience, but she's not running for President. Would rather have a VP who lacks experience than a President who lacks experience. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 3:56:20 PM | Taojones, I watched the video you posted and it's too informative not to share. I would love to hear conservatives defend the behavior of these people. Let's hear what ya'll have to say about this. Here is the content of that video in text form (minus Jon Stewart's comentary):
Karl Rove on Sarah Palin: "She's a populist, she's an economic and a social conservative, she's a reformer, she's a former Mayor, she [was] the Mayor of, I think, the second largest city in Alaska [population 9,000] before she ran for Governor..."
Karl Rove on Tim Kaine, who was on Barack Obama's Vice Presidential short list. Kaine is former mayor of Richmond, VA (population 200,000) former Lt. Governor of Virginia, and current Virginia Governor: "He's been a Governor for three years, he was Mayor of the 105th largest city in America and again, with all due respect, Richmond, Virginia is smaller than Chula Vista, CA, Aurora, CO, Mesa or Gilbert, AZ, North Las Vegas or Henderson, NV. It's not a big town. So, if you were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where [Obama} said, 'You know what, I'm really not first and foremost concerned with is this person capable of being President of the United States'."
Bill O'Reilly on Bristol Palin's pregnancy: "Millions of American families are dealing with teenage pregnancy and as long as society doesn't have to support the mother, father, or baby, it is a personal matter. It is true that some Americans will judge Governor Palin and her family...for the sake of her and her family, we hope things calm down."
Bill O'Reilly on Jamie Lynn Spears' pregnancy: "On Pinhead front, 16 year old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant. The sister of Britney says she is shocked by that. Here the blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her....Incredible Pinhead."
Hannity: "There have been tougher and harder questions that have been asked relentlessly by a biased news media about her daughter than about Barack Obama, who's been running for 19 months."
Dick Morris: "A man would never have had to go through this. It's the deep sexism that runs through our society."
Dick Morris on Hillary Clinton: "When a woman wants to be President, she shouldn't complain based on gender...'I'm going to take my toys and go home because the big boys are picking on me.' What happens when the boys in the middle east or the boys who run Russia or the boys who run China start picking on you? Are we going to have the President of the United States say, 'The boys are picking on me'? This is what Hillary always does; whenever she gets under fire, she retreats behind the apron strings."
Nancy Pfotenhauer McCain Sr. Policy Advisor on Hillary Clinton: "The people who think they're helping her by playing the gender card are hurting her. It would be a terrible mistake for her to try to play this victimology or victimization card because it's just not what we want in a President."
Nancy Pfotenhauer McCain Sr. Policy Advisor on Sarah Palin: "I think the nature of these attacks, because they involve family members and because they're just so disrespectful to her as a woman.... I also would have hoped that they'd have learned by now not to be so quick to belittle the accomplishments of women... There were questions about she has young children that came out and...from a feminine perspective, from a female perspective, I found that to be one of the most outrageous double standards I'd ever seen." | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 4:04:35 PM | It was Bill Maher that when interviewing Ron Paul said: If Americans were intelligent, or even the least bit smart they'd vote for Ron Paul, but since they're not real smart, they're content with picking between Obama and McCain. He was saying Americans aren't very bright at all. Gee, i'd never have guessed it reading people quoting him now.
Entertainment dollars sure go a long way these days. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 4:15:14 PM | Finding a person's hilarious, nasty, mean sarcasm funny does not make him a political guru.
Bill Maher's interests and mine do not mesh in many areas, that doesn't mean that his isn't the only show I miss on HBO. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 5:02:16 PM | Fly you admitted you supported Hillary in another forum on page 2. So, just move on! This forum is about Palin being exposed.
Let us get back on the subject. Palin being exposed.
They say that she will be speaking sometime this week to ABC. I wonder if the interview will be scripted?
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Posted: 9/7/2008 5:17:27 PM | So what's going to happen if she's clean... no dependable skeletons in her closet to drag out and send her supporters running in shame?
Sure she stretched the truth a bit (a lot?) about some of the stuff she accomplished in Alaska... but that's a charge that would cover all the candidates.
I think it's going to have to be a safer bet to start going after her as if she is exactly what she presents herself as... that there is no leering secret to dredge up... no sexual deviancy or bodies buried in shallow graves... no 'bombshells' coming.
Start taking her apart based on her bad policy ideas... call her out for being a zealot... but don't sit back and assume that some big tabloid present is going to fall into our laps and whisk her away... | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 5:21:03 PM |
So what's going to happen if she's clean... no dependable skeletons in her closet to drag out and send her supporters running in shame?
Sure she stretched the truth a bit (a lot?) about some of the stuff she accomplished in Alaska... but that's a charge that would cover all the candidates.
I think it's going to have to be a safer bet to start going after her as if she is exactly what she presents herself as... that there is no leering secret to dredge up... no sexual deviancy or bodies buried in shallow graves... no 'bombshells' coming.
Start taking her apart based on her bad policy ideas... call her out for being a zealot... but don't sit back and assume that some big tabloid present is going to fall into our laps and whisk her away...
You're on to something here, Simlasa.
Instead of searching for gossip, we really need to be searching for the truth.
Truth is: NO on knows who this woman is. HOW is she honestly ready to be the person who must lead our country if McCain is elected, then becomes incapacitated? | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 5:22:52 PM | Message 260 -- Not sure how any of that shows I'm "bitter", and further I'm also sure you've violated a few POF rules by reposting one of my messages. I suggest that you don't do that again.
I would get back to Palin being exposed if there was anything at all to the story. So far I've seen nothing but rumors.
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Posted: 9/7/2008 5:42:27 PM | simlasa,
Truly that may happen. I do not know what will happen. Honestly, McCain could win, because the people are not listening to the truth. They keep repeating that Obama will raise taxes, and that is not true. They keep overlooking that she is more aligned with Bush than McCain. The do not seem to care that they are both Pro-life. You know the republicans have their way of winning. My aunt said it best. Maybe God will hear the hearts of the people. Bush did win using allot of propaganda. I still remember that day. He truly appealed to the working class American. Maybe, they will forget that homes are being foreclosed on and people can not make ends meet. If that is the way it plays out. Just be prepared.
I voted for Bush the first time, because he was our governor and did raise the pay for teachers. He also took Ron Paige with him to the white house and educators in Texas felt we had done the right thing. But, it was a sham. Several of my family members voted for him the second time because he appealed to them being Christians and they felt if he started this mess, he needed to clean it up.
If people vote for McCain (which is platform is not that much different from Bush), then it is fear of true change. This election is very important. I feel it will be very close. This is the second time McCain has had the lead in the polls. We will see.
We must admit Sarah has added some fuel to his fire. Now, what is going to happen when she hits the campaign trail. That is the question. How will she handle the debates. Will she be treated with kit gloves. Is Hillary going to help with the campaigning?
Only time will tell. In my heart I want to believe that the average American can see through the smoke and mirror routine the republicans are playing.
The keep blaming everything on the democrats. Sometimes I do hate that Obama keeps taking the 'high road'. When he was being attacked he never blamed it on the republicans. Much of this is the media.
For some any reason is a good reason not to vote for Obama. One day at work one of my teachers stepped into my office and privately stated (Faith, my aunt says that people will find any reason not to vote for a black man, do you think that is true) This staff member is not black. I sat there and sadly had to admit. Yes, it may be true. She then stated. 'If you ask them they will not say it out loud, but they know it in their hearts'. Just a thought.
We will see! Next step Sarah on the trail and if any of these rumors come to life. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 6:01:08 PM |
So what's going to happen if she's clean... no dependable skeletons in her closet to drag out and send her supporters running in shame?
I don't really care whether she had an affair. Sure, it's immoral, but it's not the sin itself that matters as much as the growing evidence in that she is an unethical and hypocritical person. An affair in her past would fit into that model--but it isn't necessary to establishing it.
Unfortunately, it's only something as salacious as an affair that is going to convince many people that's she's not as great as they think she is. Dirty politics and unethical behavior as mayor and governor just don't pack the same punch. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 6:09:45 PM | I don't think there will any real 'expose' on Sarah Palin.
Just watched an in-depth Bio on her on TV and it's obvious why the Republicans are not worried about anything 'dirty' being proven on her. There isn't any. Her life and her Public Office is an open book. She was put through the ringer when she ran for Gov. and anything and everything is on record.
McCain picked a really really good candidate for VP!  | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 6:17:08 PM | I guess you better get some sleaze soon on Palin because McCain is now ahead in the polls, and yes, I realize that polls only show a snapshot in time...
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/mccain-moves-ahead-of-obama-poll-says/163776?icid=100214839x1208881405x1200534753 | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 6:22:37 PM | ^^^^^^^^
why thank you faith
hopefully Obama isn't doing what his supporters are, trying to find trash on Palin
as I have said before, democrats have sunk a new low~
This forum is about Palin being exposed.
Let us get back on the subject. Palin being exposed.
BTW, how exactly does your yard sign-
Obama Biden fit into this "Palin being exposed" forum?
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Posted: 9/7/2008 6:22:37 PM | Her 'skeletons' are in plain sight!
Her zealous beliefs in draconian social repression... her general lack of education... her lack of any real interest in the world outside of Alaska... the cretinous way she deals with her fellow public servants... she's a friggin' nightmare!
... picking this woman, as much as it might attract support from the lunatic fringe of the 'right'... is also going to go a long way to helping to solidify opposition on the 'left'. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 6:25:27 PM | I think this flyonthewall woman's making things up. It's an opinion, not like the 'lots of economists and experts, not her alone' that thinks Obama is 'unqualified' and 'sucks' (ecomomics jargon, I presume). I think she's lying about being from Princeton/Harvard. Even high school kids don't come up with such arguments in their essays.
And now we are taking cues from Ireland? Why not Dubai with no taxes at all? How about Saudi Arabia - no taxes there either. Or in Brunei. Guess, they didn't teach you the differences between the US economic system and those overseas. Even our janitor, with no Ivy-League education knows that.
Yes, somehow flyonthewall knows that McCain WILL line-item veto earmarks. Did one of those 'economists and experts' tell her that too?
And, if you read my note carefully, I did say military + others including health care, education etc. And those #'s you quoted are pretty stupid. A marine in the military DOES NOT make over $200k.
And why is flyonthewall, a former ardent Clinton supporter now supporting McCain?
The problem IS THAT MCCAIN will be listening to Petraeus. We'd like someone who'll make the decisions and then order the generals to carry the order out.
Funnily enuff, it appears that GWB made the decision for the surge and had his generals, P included, carry it out.
McCain's been going around with this lie that it was his idea all along. Like the many things he's been telling flyonthewall.
It'll be nice if Obama wins despite flyonthewall's vote. Be a reaffirmation of intellect over demagoguery. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 6:26:16 PM | CRAYON... what about this: HER SUPPORT for the ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY this is PROOF once again. This isn't media biased this is straight from the HORSES MOUTH!! Sarah Palin HERSELF. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI
CRAYON if you have an honest bone in your body you'll see the PROOF BELOW and admit that your voting for someone who HATES AMERICA!!
Since you probably wont look up what the Alaska Independent Party is...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/02/politics/animal/main4407224.shtml
NOTE THE WORDS USED by this person Sarah supports...
We are, after all, talking about a party founded by a man who said, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." The same man, AIP founder Joe Vogler, also said, "[T]he fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American government."
How is this any better than Jeremiah Wright? Why would Sarah Palin voluntarily join this man's political party?
Complicating matters, Marc Ambinder has a video of a AIP leader explaining that party members "must 'infiltrate' -- his words -- the other two parties and push for the cause of Alaskan independence."
I suspect McCain and his aides didn't know about any of this. Indeed, they couldn't have -- they didn't vet her. But now that this revelation has come to light, what's the defense? | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 7:03:12 PM | We did a show on blogtalkradio.com : Sarah Palin Reformer or Demagogue under Bostonred today.
Sarah Palin a demagogue or a reformer ? H. L. Mencken,defined a demagogue as "one who will preach doctrines he(she) knows to be untrue to men(women) he knows to be idiots."
Cheers,
M A | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 7:07:02 PM |
Rhetorical nonsense. Please provide evidence that Obama has "squandered" his Senate seat.
Evidence you'd like This is most definitely NOT "rhetorical nonsense." Obama has missed 231 of the last 398 votes in the Senate, dating back through July of last year. That means his attendance record since last July is he's been absent 58% of the time. Now I don't know about you, but if I elect someone to "represent" me in the Senate, that's not the "representation" I'd expect. And I definitely think not even showing up half the time counts as "squandering" the seat.
Try showing up only 42% of the time for YOUR job and see how long you're employed.
Oh - evidence - you're going to have a tough time shooting down this source! Its Obama's own Senatorial website.
http://obama.senate.gov/votes/ | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 7:08:53 PM |
I don't want some bottom of the class guy in the White House!
Then may we assume you didn't vote for Kerry in 2004, who's grades and position in his graduating class were both BELOW that of Bush's?  | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 7:27:51 PM |
Obama has missed 231 of the last 398 votes in the Senate, dating back through July of last year. That means his attendance record since last July is he's been absent 58% of the time. Now I don't know about you, but if I elect someone to "represent" me in the Senate, that's not the "representation" I'd expect. And I definitely think not even showing up half the time counts as "squandering" the seat.
If you want to take that position fine, but make sure you apply your standard of good representation consistently.
Obama has missed 290 votes during the current Congress--45.5%.
But guess what--McCain has missed 407--that's 63.8%.
So.....physician heal thyself? (as it were)
I'm sure both men are there for votes that are close enough to make their presence necessary to the outcome of legislation.
But either way, posing this as an issue harmful to Obama (as opposed to McCain) as a candidate in this election is to put forward a red herring. | |
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