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Posted: 1/4/2009 9:57:32 AM | | OMG i hope trubblemakr that the vet won't giv e this stuff to anyone , especially my x | |
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Posted: 1/4/2009 10:34:18 PM |
riiight ^^^ a vet will give over the "juice" to euthanize a pet, maybe if you KNOW the vet really well, but honestly, thats like asking the doc for a prescription for demero
whats the big deal? i mean of all the ways a person could kill another lifeform do you really think someone is going to withhold a way to make money doing it?
do you really think that the fluid they use is any different from say, an overdose of morphine or heroin or rat poison etc
gimme a break .
you make it sound like its some sort of miracle death fluid that causes no pain
im curious tho, as to what exactly you think it is that the vet uses...
id bet its a morphine derivative and merely an overdose of it | |
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Posted: 1/4/2009 11:16:33 PM | You're kidding right??????
Uh...yeah, they do indeed withold a way to make money doing it...because the drugs used are Barbituric acids that are controlled substances under regulation by the Bureau of Dangerous Drugs, Health and Welfare Canada.
Controlled substances can not be given out by vets...each dose is recorded and logged..and any vet 'giving' it out will lose his/her license.
Some vets also use a drug called T-61, which depresses the central nervous system. Again, NOT given out to pet owners for in home euthanasia!
Both types of drugs must be administered intravenously...something that most pet owners are not trained to do !
Failure to administer any of these drugs properly will cause an incredible amount of pain and suffering to the animal.
No...if given correctly, at the right dose, by a trained professional...these drugs do NOT cause any pain. They shut down the CNS before causing cardiac arrest and brain death, therefore...no more pain receptors. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 3:59:58 AM | "whats the big deal? i mean of all the ways a person could kill another lifeform do you really think someone is going to withhold a way to make money doing it?"
There's a little thing called ethics involved. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 9:49:09 AM | oh "ethics"
too funny, i guess my ethics are a little different from yours,
i remember on the farm when too many kittens were born, my grampa puttin them in a pillow case and tossing it in a water barrel
i also remember cutting the heads off chickens and letting em run around headless before we plucked them
i recall shooting an animal that was in distress or in pain and likely wouldnt survive
all the things i recall were" ethical" it is funny how if you remove the humans from the real environment of life, how quickly they change the ethics to suit themselves and their own ideas of what is right
as far as i can remember the quickest way to put an animal out of its misery was to put a bullet in it
we didnt do it that way to get off doing it, it was done that way because it was over and done with and there wasnt anyone to stand in judgemnt and claim it was bad or a horrible way to go
and fyi barbituic acids, well im sure heroin and several other drugs freely available would do just as quick a job as the " approved by vet" varieties.
remember euthanasia is just a prettier word than putting out of its misery or killing the animal. it means the exact same thing tho | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 10:07:04 AM | Sorry Trubble...but if you honestly think that drowning and animal is either ethical or humane...you've really got some serious problems bud. I don't give a rats a$$ if your good ol grandpa used to do it or not.
He11s yeah...there are hundreds of ways to kill an animal....and I'm sure there are a lot of drugs that someone could try to use...but, again....the goal is to cause minimal pain, suffering and discomfort...not to experiment until the poor critter finally dies !!!
A gun, just like a needle full of drugs...can be a quick, painless way to go...but...again, only IF the person using it knows exactly how to do it right the first time so that death is instant.
I'm not a tree hugging liberal by any means....lived and worked on a farm for many years and had to do and see a lot of things that most people don't and never will...including having to put animals down. BUT...I do believe in animal welfare and making sure that the animal does not suffer needlessly at your hands. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 10:56:38 AM |
too funny, i guess my ethics are a little different from yours,
i remember on the farm when too many kittens were born, my grampa puttin them in a pillow case and tossing it in a water barrel
i also remember cutting the heads off chickens and letting em run around headless before we plucked them
ummm trubblemakr....I wasn’t talking about YOUR ethics. I was referring to the professional code of ethics taught to, and abided by, registered veterinarians throughout the free world. You cutting the head off a chicken while growing up on the farm is vastly different from a vet selling barbituates on the side "to make a little extra cash" as you were implying.
Too funny?
No kidding. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 10:59:30 AM | Uh...just for the record...
I WAS talking about YOUR ethics !!!!!!!
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Posted: 1/5/2009 2:48:57 PM | I don't think it is legal for vets to give out the drugs they use to euthanasize an animal. I also don't think it SHOULD be legal...but then again I'm against the legalization of drugs such as heroine and cocaine as well.
I have had to put 2 pets down and found both times it was very emotional. These aren't just furry things that live with me...these are furry friends. I have a relationship with the animals much like I have with my human friends and I wouldn't want to put a bullet or needle or some such thing into my human friends either - personally I would find it too hard to do myself even if that meant ending the suffering. I'd rather not have the last memory of my friend (furry or not) NOT be of me actually killing it.
For me, taking my pets to a vet to be put down was a decision based on emotion, not on ethics. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 3:48:00 PM | lol its just too funny lol
its cruel to drown extra kittens, but its perfectly fine for you to bring your pet to a certified animal killer to have it killed
when will the sillyness stop
you cover and claim humanity via misdirection and terminology, it isnt animal control , its euthanisation
gimme a break
with all your class and pompousness you can actually say its more "humane to kill an animal with a prescribed drug than a way that has been used for thousands of years.
personally i think that is just hilarious, and who made you the connossieur of death?
death is never instant
taking your pet to a vet is the way people do it these days, not because its better or less painful for the animal, but simply because its easier for the pet owner.
personally, ive never killed an animal in my life and could never bring myself to do it or hurt an animal. im merely stating that there are alternatives to standing or hunting for a vet to do the job for you
and as far as the " make a little off the side remark"
i wasnt referring or implying to off the side vets, perhaps you can follow me here..... you are allowed to go buy your medications at a pharmacist for certain injections.... and then bring it and the needle to the dr or take it home and administer it to yourself or your child, so why would it be any different for euthanisation meds for animals? farmers have a supply , they arent gonna haul their animals to a vet everytime one goes lame or gets sick.
i tell ya some people just are so adamantly self indulged. how you "think" that animal welfare has anything to do with anything ive mentioned is beyond me. suffering is natural, its a part of life, when your pets time is near, it is more important to end its suffering than to make the whole experience politically correct for the whimpering owner.
a good pet owner will look at the animals welfare FIRST , before the owners tender feelings.
i had a dog for 12 yrs, he got sick one day and i called a vet. it was a sunday and they wanted 350 dollars and i had to wait 3 hrs for him to come out and kill him for me. thank goodness my dad has had some experience in the killing of animals, as he did his thing i dug his hole in which i put him
my dad loved my dog as well and it was finished alot faster than the 3 hr wait it woulda took for the vet to drive out and stick a needle in him.
so excuse me if i dont put alot of trust or faith in someone trained to stick needles in things.
one bullet and the job was done and my lil guy didnt suffer anymore. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 4:24:11 PM | Well...as I said. For me (and I suspect many others) it is an emotional decision to take your pet to the vet to get put down. I don't know how to shoot a gun nor do I know how to administer a needle properly. I'd rather not just randomly poke holes in my pet hoping to get the right spot or shoot my dog and likely miss for not being able to see through all my tears.
I would suspect that the drugs used to put an animal down are either as deadly for humans or could make a human really sick/drugged out. For this reason I would suspect that meds such as these are not available to the general public for fear that it may not be used for the intended purpose of putting an animal down. Of course there is a risk with certain human meds we get prescriptions for as well -but most (please take note of the qualifier) of the really deadly stuff must be administered by a physician in the hospital.
I'm not trying to be politically correct (and I know you weren't referencing me Trubble), I am just trying to do what I believe would be best for my pet and myself. As you said...suffering is part of life. I don't want to prolong my pets suffering any more than necessary...but once he's gone - whether or not it took 3hrs to go to a vet or 3o seconds for someone to shoot him, I am the one that is living with the last memory, the last decision I made about that animal's life and how it ended.
I know for myself, the type of person I am, that I would likely NOT have the nuggets to kill my own furry friend - it's just not part of my my make up and it would have to be a very drastic situation to make me consider doing so. If given the choice, I would pay the "animal killer" rather than do it myself.
Not everyone can detach themselves from their emotions to allow someone else or themselves to shoot their dog of 12 years. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 5:25:45 PM | Trubble....whether you can grasp the concept or not...why would anyone want to add unecessary pain or suffering to any animal?
Uh, yes, drowning is a cruel way to die....it is not instantaneous.
So is shooting an animal....as I stated before....IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. Animals can, and do...many times...survive gunshots to the head...and suffer a hell of a lot for it.
No, the drugs used by vets are not instant...again, as I stated already.....they instantly paralyze the CNS so that the animal can feel NO PAIN as it's vital organs shut down. No nervous system, no pain.
Seriously...go watch it being done a few times THEN judge for yourself.
You don't honestly think we should just keep doing everything that's been done for thousands of years because...well...it used to be done so nothing could have improved on that method since...right?
If you've never had to kill an animal yourself, then stop being so pompous and pretending you have a clue what you're talking about. You don't.
Farmers do NOT have a supply of drugs to euthanize livestock...again, get this through your head if you can....no one can legally administer them, or handle them except a licensed veterinarian. Yes, we, as farmers and ranchers do administer many drugs....those labelled dangerous drugs with restrictions like these ones are not in that supply.
And, by all means do try to go down to the pharmacy and ask for some barbituates. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 6:55:28 PM | um im not being anything, excuse me but it was you and the other guy that attacked my comment due to your lack on understanding what i was saying, i never bothered with anything you had to say.
you thru in a few big words to look smart and then called me basically callous and unfeeling due to the reality behind the whole idea and my ability to call it what it was.
drowning is cruel? maybe you should travel farm to farm and preach that mantra, see how many people that actually live in reality roll their eyes at you.
as far as me thinking we should keep doing things we have always done.... well heck no, however when the only thing we are changing, is basically charging a person to take away the guilt or the responsibility of pet ownership. then yes i do think we are going down the wrong road.
as bad as a pet dying is, it is a necessary and real step in owning a pet, and how we deal with and take care of that step is an important part of life.
if my current dog got hit by a car on the gravel road out front of my house and was seriously damaged , id have no problem taking the rifle out and ending his suffering , rather than sitting around waiting for some vet to drive all the way out to administer a little needle.
i guess living in a city makes you more prone to expecting everyone else to do your dirty work for you
as far as your assumption farmers dont have a supply of drugs to take care of ailing or dying animals" i can actually tell you for a fact that you know nothing of what you are talking about, as i know piles of farmers and live in a very busy farm countryside, with ranchers, and all kinds of livestock. and YES they do have the means of putting down dying or old animals.so maybe stifle the sweeping comments.my neighbor goes out every winter shooting coyotes, its humane, it is the prescribed method for ending its life.if it was inhumane, then all the activists would be all over the place to stop it.So apparently it is a humane way of ending an animals life. just because everyone isnt of the same mindset as you isnt any reason to have a tantrum or call them inhumane.
and drugs arent the only way , the most important thing is to "get it done" and not make the animal suffer for longer than necessary. for pets or livestock, its all the same in the end
<div class="quote">If you've never had to kill an animal yourself, then stop being so pompous and pretending you have a clue what you're talking about
its not that i havent had to, its just that ive been fortunate enough so far in life that ive had people that are less timid about ending something elses life handy to do my dirty work
even though it was just one time
<div class="quote">No, the drugs used by vets are not instant...again, as I stated already.....they instantly paralyze the CNS so that the animal can feel NO PAIN as it's vital organs shut down. No nervous system, no pain
and how is this different than an o/d of morphine or any other type of narcotic drug
the thread title is " in home pet euthanasia"
all im stating is that a vet isnt the beginning and end of the question .
there are other means for someone who isnt squeamish and it doesnt make you a bad person for taking personal responsibility for your pets last days. people have always done it, and it will always be done.
and you can do it numerous ways
use whatever way makes you more comfortable and doesnt further prolong the animals suffering
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Posted: 1/5/2009 7:23:46 PM | You're right buddy...you have friends and know people who know people who live on farms and ranches...therefore you would know a whole lot more about it than a person who actually does raise livestock.
You win.
And, just and FYI..and I'll try not to use big words this time....drugs like demoral and morphine do NOT paralyze the CNS ( if you're confused, that means...central nervous system ).
Narcotics are not used for euthanasia. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2009 6:36:15 PM | A producer owning a gun to end the life of a large animal is one thing.
A vet allowing a 'death drug' to be administered by the small pet owner is an entirely different game.
I am saddened that Trubble would make a thread like this, where someone's heart is breaking, into a battle of wits.
But such is forum life... | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 2:20:12 PM | ^^ um excuse me???
im not the one that started the arguing,you can thank you know who for that.
i merely made my comment and then got accosted by someone trying to act all pc and above the rest of the real world.
i at least stayed on topic and didnt seek to troll for emotional reactions [other than my comments in defence of my comment] | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 5:36:43 PM | Whoa there buddy.....someone trying to act politically correct and above the rest of the world because they do not agree with YOUR concepts of humane animal treatment??
I'm thinking, read the thread again....because everyone here but you ...the real world, if you will.....disagrees with your 'arguments'. | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 6:28:12 PM | This is the 3rd thread that Truble uses the term PC in. I can't help but think of a quote from The Princess Bride "You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means".
Euthanizing your dog by using the services of a vet has absolutely nothing to do with being politically correct. It's a choice. Like your choice not to get to know anyone who is gay. Or my choice not to date anyone who can't' accept my friends as people. Like my choice to take my pet to the vet to be put down because I know I'm too much of a wimp to take my own pets life.
Also...I live in the city -even if I DID own a gun...it's not ever going to be OK/legal for me to fire a loaded weapon in my rented apartment. | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 7:25:31 PM | ^^^^^
Wish I'da thought of that.
EG said what I wanted to say, and the 'debate' continued.
This thread needs to be euthanized. I keep opening it thinking someone has some honest insight to provide, but nope just more um, debate. | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 8:52:07 PM | I feel for you like crazy!  I lost my dog recently, and it was awful, but he died at home, which I was so glad about. So I understand about you NOT wanting to have to take him to the vet. Very stressful for the animal! I noticed people mentioning the Calgary North Veterinary Clinic, and I would definitely give them a call. If they don't do it, then they might be able to recommend someone who will. I know for sure that there are vets that WILL make a house call. It's a hard call, but doing it at home is far less stressful for them, and that's what it's all about, right?
Hang in there!! I'm so sorry!  | |
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Posted: 1/8/2009 5:48:26 AM | Thanks seven, and back on topic....
I talked with my vet, he no longer does euthanasia (or wasn't at the time of convo, staffing issues) but he would do my girl (in his office), cause he has cared for her for almost 14 years. We actually had a pretty good talk, and I think I am ok with taking her to the office.
I have a bit of a reprieve right now, and have quit fixating on 'killing' her and instead am focusing on HER. The cold snap was brutally hard on her, but she eats, poops, and she is still mobile! I do my best to make her comfortable and am almost hyper-aware of any sort of distress she may be feeling. Love my girl | |
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Posted: 1/8/2009 6:28:55 AM | | castaline i had to put my beloved bear down after she had been with me thru thick and thin for over 15 yrs , trust me you will know when ,the morning we made the trip to the vet when i got up i could see the difference in her eyes and i just knew she was suffering so all my best to you. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2009 8:49:21 PM | | Yes it is the same with my family's pet cat. We will be taking Jake to the vet day after tomorrow and that thought just does not leave our minds. The truck doesnt start and so it will be either cab or transit to make that trip. But, we do what we have to for his sake. We just do not want him to suffer. | |
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