| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/7/2008 5:33:52 PM | I would take my children away from a school that allowed corporal punishment..I would hit the person who hit my child..I don't care who they are..obviously if they weren't an adult all I can do is moan about that to the local county council etc or the parent of the child in question....I'm very au fait with the various channels I can follow should my child end up being abused by a person in responsibility.
I've no faith in the police..they are total bollixes and definitely target those who are undeserved of their attention on the basis that they are extremely prejudiced...my children go to one of the best schools where I live and they love it there.
One of my mates useed to be an English teacher in the same school and she hated ..really hated .her experience there..she'd claim the children she was teaching were the devil incarnate...the funny thing is that I am really close to one of her ex-pupils ..who for me is an amazing friend | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 12:32:09 AM | if we look at the parents of today.....and we then look at how parents of today were disciplined.....
then we look at the kids of today and we look at how kids of today are disciplined......
what do we see..?????????????????????
We see a country where kids today are running amock...pure and simple....
Something has to be done because we as parents are failing.....
This is not an opinion..its a fact.
I have 2 teens and i have always been against corporal punishment, however i am starting to change my views on that. it is perhaps worth re evaluating and introducing some other very tough measures as our whole society seems afraid to take a tough stance on punishment.
Lou
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 1:41:45 AM |
I dont see why it should just be for children, just because their smaller and cant fight back.
It should be introduced on a wider spectrum say that you forgot to hand in something important at work YOUR boss should be able to use corporal punishment on you so that you wont do it again give you a few digs to the head. Whats the difference between a child being physically punished for doing something wrong and an adult?
Ive never though of it like that! that is a very good point, i agree that they should bring corporal punishment back to school, not to the severity it was those years ago, but i think (i no i needed it at times) that an occasional smack would have done me good not harm.
But if your bringing it in for kids, well then for equality it should be brought in for adults to..although it seems a little sadistic in adults!
To be honest i spent so much time in detention with my mates it was better than being outside in the cold and rain, especially science detentions where you played with the bunsen burners lol (good ole days!)
Alot of kids deliberatly get themselves into trouble now, makes them more popular with their mates. Telling a teacher to F off now is so cool. | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 3:34:52 AM | | This is why the country has gone to the dogs, parents who think there kids are angels and wouldnt do jack shyte! and now we have kids who know they carnt be touched by authority because they think the sun shines out there kids arse! | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 3:35:37 AM | | This is why the country has gone to the dogs, parents who think there kids are angels and wouldnt do jack shyte! and now we have kids who know they carnt be touched by authority because they think the sun shines out there kids arse! | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 7:04:32 AM | | I dont think I'd like my kids to come home and tell me that they have been hit by an adult, violence only breeds violence, and its ok haroing on about the good old days, they've gone, and in myu experience the kids at scool who got caned or in our case, hit withy a leather srap, cxome out of it with a bit of hero status, which only made them worse, and more often than not would take it out on someone smaller. | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 7:25:02 AM | I think its sad that all kids are being called horrible little gits that dont know how to behave.
I have been to 3 meets now invovling many children and at no time have I seen a child acting in such a manner as to warrant a 'good hiding'. Yes they have had there moments and been warned of there behaviour (in a manner seen fit by their parents) but that sufficed.
I also work in a secondary school and find the vast majority nice well behaved kids. Stop judging all kids as bad kids because thats not the case. | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 7:38:27 AM | No way would I allow anyone to take a ruler or a cane to one of my lads..
I know some kids can be monsters.. But I also think some teachers could take it to far.
Bend over and let someone give you 6 of the best ( why do they call it The Best ?) and then see if you would want that inflicted on you child..
Where would you draw the line, some child who is usually well behaved in class beaten with a cane because he steeped out of line once or twice.. | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 7:47:00 AM | | well said chat-2-me i have been to the same meets and all the children have been a credit to there parents ! i also notice that most of the posts for corporal punishment on here are from peeps that are not even parents and the ones that are parents and for corporal punishment i find some what alarming! when i was a kid a few choice words or loss of play time scared me more than the cane or a smack ever would! | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 7:48:28 AM | You're a teacher and you have some c0cky little sh1t stood in front of you giving you lip and defiantly telling you that there's nothing you can do as you're not allowed to lay a finger on them.
If corporal punishment isn't the answer then what is? A stern word doesn't seem to be very effective.
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Posted: 9/8/2008 8:07:24 AM | When I was at school we all lived with the fear of corporal punishment if we overstepped the mark. But it wasn't fear of the pain, it was fear of the humiliation, & the fact that when your dad heard about it you would get some more.
I am still in touch with many of my school friends, & non of us were scarred, physically or mentally from the experience.
It taught us respect, & where boundaries were, & what happened when you overstepped the mark.
Today's children are bullet proof, and doesn't it just show in their behaviour!!! | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 9:39:59 AM | I appreciate that it may seem like a quick fix to beat a disobedient child into submission, but it doesn't work with a lot of kids, especially those with serious behavioural and possibly psychiatric or psychological issues. If anything, with some children it can actually make them worse, not better, and give them even more of a hatred for authority than they've probably already got.
I was never given corporal punishment at school as my schools never had it, but I wouldn't have thought twice about defending myself against a teacher armed with with a cane, slipper or belt using whatever weapon was available to make it an even fight. If they'd wanted a full-on brawl then they could have had one for the asking. | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 10:15:51 AM | Its the lack of control that both parents and schools have that have caused half the issues the kids have of today !
I was scared to step over the mark with both my mom and my school, but knew I issues would be dealt with swiftly if I had a problem. Nowadays kids normal response to punishment is "I'll call childline"
I should discipline my kids how I see fit - the fear of being slapped on the backside never did me any harm | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 11:22:09 AM |
I think corporal punishment should be brought back, I worked in a primary school for 1 hour and 15 mins every day, for over a year looking after the brats in the play ground, I finally left that job when i couldnt take anymore of the beatings i got from the pupils and they was only aged 5 - 12 years, some of the older kids was bigger in height and broader than me. I wouldnt accept being bullied from my own son why should we take it from other parents kids. It never did us any harm.
lol this is a classic!!!
so its ok for you to smack someone, but you don't think its ok for them to smack you???
maybe if children in your care were treated with respect and not regarded as "brats" they would learn how to be respectful. | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 12:44:14 PM | [/if corporal punishment isn't the answer then what is? A stern word doesn't seem to be very effective]
I think the answer is to find what they like/ dislike and act accordingly. In school make them miss PE if thats a pleasure, make them litter pick for a week, if they do graffitti then they clean it up. A bit general but Im sure you get the idea.
At home take away the playstation, early nights, washing up for a week.
Make them realise they can act like little shytes but there will be a consequence!!
I was given the ruler across the knuckles at secondary school because my hair was long and it hadn't been tied back ......... I'm glad those days are long gone. | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 1:33:30 PM | It would be a terrible idea if corporal punishment was brought back into schools..
Whats needed is more discipline and respect for authority which could be achieved
without the need to bring back an out dated form of barbarism which belongs in the dark ages...
The problem with disicpline and respect for authority is that "authority" has to be respectable (as opposed to petty, vindictive, and extortionate), in order for people to respect it.
Whilst in all seriousness I don't really think bringing back CP is appropriate, it would hardly be an outdated and "Dark age" concept, it would be more of a lesson in life skills - as our culture is fundamentally based on violence, threats and bullying. It's how we, as a society, define ourselves at every level, from the playground right up to the Government.
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 1:53:45 PM |
Excellent question...which leads nicely on to the subject of Police brutality...should they be allowed to get away with it ?
Simple answer - police brutality occurs against those who haven't been convicted of a crime.
I think corporal punishment is the equivalent of child abuse and I believe that society has come along way since 'the good old days'.
It certainly has, and it far the worse for it!
Ignoring the obvious problems associated with immigration since the 60s (when I first went to school), society is much worse than it used to be.
I am all for corporal punishment, both at school and in the home.
it makes no sense to physically punish people
It makes perfect sense - you break the rules, you feel pain.
Violence never solved anything, it doesnt act as a deterrent nor does it instill and values or discipline in anyone.
It did with me, so your statement is incorrect. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2008 1:55:25 PM | First of all don't make the mistake in believing that just because a kid misbehaves at home they can't learn to behave in other situations where discipline is imposed. Most children prefer to know where they stand and where the line is drawn. The problem lies where empty threats are made, which are never followed through and the kids learn that they can get away with anything.
I personally would not want to lay my hand on a child who I believed needed disciplining, but... being able to threaten a child with a visit to the Head Teacher where a severe telling off would take place really does work to make a child think about their actions.
I once worked in a school where the Head Teacher was very firm with the children and the Deputy would give the naughty child a real roasting. They would then have to stand by the wall in play time and miss out on fun things. The Head Teacher left and the new Head changed the rules. Now when a child was brought to him they would be allowed to sit on a comfy sofa during break times playing cards and keeping warm while the other kids played in the cold weather. Needless to say, they didn't respect him and they stopped listening to the Teachers.
It is more about enforcing discipline and keeping rules set than physical punishment. Schools need to give children a consequence for their actions that they won't enjoy, otherwise they really have nothing to lose accept their chance at an education, which they are too young to understand how important it is. | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 2:27:25 PM | Numbers 1......2....then.......nope already diffused the bad behaviour.
Both my kids hate being sent to their rooms...no tv...no computer...no playing outside. Just the threat usually does the trick.
There are a lot of kids out there who need a bloomin good talking to though.
I'm not for bringing corporal punishment back in school.
The problems usually come from home. i.e - take a look at the parents 1st. Not the poor child's fault they weren't taught how respect people and behave.
Not saying mine are angels 110% of the time as they certainly have their moments both at home and school but I'm in close communication with school and thier dad as want to make sure they succeed and always get on top of anything that is bothering them and causing them to react like little lucifers. Me and their dad are in sync with disciplin and have discussions together with the kids to get to the root of problems.
Like Hoskins said....it's good to talk
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 2:42:54 PM | | Those on the thread that refer to corperal punishment in schools as child abuse should really hang there heads in shame or go and talk to a social worker/policeman about child abuse before comparing the two! | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 3:38:59 PM | The trouble with any type of punishment is ensuring the real culprit gets punished.
I have seen people gang up on individuals at school and a purely innocent person has got into trouble.
This is why there is no hanging in the UK.
You cant unhang someone when you find out later they didnt do it ! | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 3:41:04 PM | Thats not strictly true Bagde34. Even putting sun cream on a child is now classed as child abuse. Not giving the kids the freedom to express themselves is child abuse and comes under institutionalising and is something that is being picked up by offstead.
I have been on the same meets as some of the other posters and the kids have been well behaved and noone has ever raised their hand to a child. My personal thoughts on it are that there are many other ways to sort out behaviour such as the naughty step and grounding etc. One of the reasons i split with my ex is because i believe a child should only ever be smacked when all else fails and not in the first instant.
Our school has a good bad behaviour policy and they have gone from being poor in offsteads eyes to very good. Their methods have worked very well and not involved any black board rubbers or canes.
If discapline is introduced at a young enough age (which most parents do) then kids learn to respect boundries.
Do you not all think though, it would be wrong to let schools physically punish our kids when we as parents dont have the same rights? | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 3:54:19 PM | | Thats only because this country sticks up for everyones rights except for the decent people jess. i agree a smack is last resort, not the first. but a child should be made to explain the reason behind there actions to and there punishment | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 3:58:40 PM |
Do you not all think though, it would be wrong to let schools physically punish our kids when we as parents dont have the same rights?
As parents, we still retain the right to inflict mild CP on our kids, if necessary.
Secondly, even if we didn't have that right, I would not object to schools having that right, regardless of whether it showed I was a weak parent or not.
OT Going by some of the kids I see misbehaving in the street, I reckon that most of those deserve a sound thrashing every so often until they realise that they are responsible for earning that punishment. | |
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| Corporal punishment in schools
Posted: 9/8/2008 9:50:00 PM |
OT Going by some of the kids I see misbehaving in the street, I reckon that most of those deserve a sound thrashing every so often until they realise that they are responsible for earning that punishment.
Some of those kids probably are getting a thrashing when they get home, which is why they are on the streets in the first place, rather than home.
The problem is, not everyone is capable of a rational response to a problem and they don't smack without anger, they smack impulsively and don't follow it through with the important bit, which is talking about why they were punished and why they shouldnm't do something again.
With other children they might be doing stuff purely to get attention, as some attention is better than nothing, even if it is negative. All t hey want is for the parent that should be loving them and caring for them to be there.
It is easy to suggest that smacking etc is the way forward, but when the child in question considers a smack to be nothing to what they already get at home and if that message is given randomly at home, how are they going to understand that they have done something wrong, or that by stopping doing the bad thing, the punishment will stop?
Children are blank canvases when they are born, but they all have their own personality, which comes out as they mature. How they develop on those traits has a lot to do with the way they are brought up.
I guess what I'm saying is that it is not as black and white as you think. What we lack in school is options. Every time an option is taken away another affective method goes. However, each child does need to be treated as an individual depending on their back ground, life experience and how they react to certain things.
My son when he was about 4 did something naughty and I asked him, 'What do you think I should do with you as a punishment?' He told me to smack him. I said no that is too easy and sent him to his room, where he bellowed for some good time as he hated being away from me. I new then that smacking was not going to be the way forward with him and I don't think I have smacked him more than 2 or 3 times in 15 years.
It's no good blaming single parent families for unruly children either as I've had him on my own for 11 years now and he isn't roaming the streets, taking drugs or getting into trouble and I don't know many single parents who have children in that situation. | |
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