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| | Why is Religion such an important factor in Politics?Page 7 of 6 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) | however, when your constitution and bill of rights was being drafted, there was a hell of a lot that was not known, stuff that is frankly rather fundamental to life, the universe and everything. we can agree that their work was outstanding for its time and foresaw much of what human nature might get up to if not constrained a little, and kudos to them for that.
separation of church and state is essential. everywhere.
that is not to say 'ban religion'.
on another line of thought, it is almost true to say that a european presidential (or equivalent) candidate sounded off on his christian/muslim/wotan credentials and suggested he believed in the bible/koran etc, he or she would really struggle to get elected - yet across the pond, the opposite is true, provided your religion is some kind of christian religion - any kind, no matter how flakey - but would you have muslim in your legislature - do you have a muslim in your legislature?.... unalienable rights? | |
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Posted: 2/14/2012 5:41:01 AM | | ^^^Please explain why the U.S. Constitution does not specify one religion?If the Founding Fathers were so religious explain why Jesus or Mary is not mentioned once in the Constitution. The separation of Church and state is too ensure that not one religion becomes the National religion.It protects people to freely worship if they so choose any god or gods or no god at all and to be able to live without being persecuted. that is for message 137 | |
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Posted: 2/14/2012 5:51:43 AM | Just take a look at Kennedy and all of the nonsense people were worried Kennedy would be subordinate to the Vatican.Take a look at all the nonsense with Romney and Mormonism or the endless regurgitation's that Obama is a Muslim Lets say he was in my mind So what! If a person has the quality to be a effective President I dont care if he or she is a druid. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2012 6:23:33 AM | so what indeed, however the regurgitation of obama is muslim... like it frikkin matters...indicates it matters to some.
frankly i would be deeply suspicious of a brit candidate for prime minister (not that they are elected) if he or she was overtly religious - tony blair went to great lengths to hide his religiosity away until he had finished as PM
cameron is conventionally christian but in the usual quiet brit way - the leaders of the other parties are atheist. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2012 10:32:46 AM | but would you have muslim in your legislature - do you have a muslim in your legislature?.... unalienable rights?
Keith Ellison and Andre Carson currently serve in Congress. Both are Muslim. There are also 40 Jews and a few Hindus.
http://www.pewforum.org/Government/Faith-on-the-Hill--The-Religious-Composition-of-the-112th-Congress.aspx
Please explain why the U.S. Constitution does not specify one religion
To protect them all, duh. (The Federalist papers give you a much better understanding of what the framers of the Constitution were intending, and they were not 100% in agreement then.) Many are growing to be more influential. Who knows what the face and beliefs of the US will look like in 100 years? Who knows whether it will be an improvement? That Christianity is the dominant religion in this country is undeniable, but it is not the Only one represented. That Religion was present and influential during the forming of this country should also be acknowledged. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2012 6:13:55 PM | The Treaty of Tripoli, unanimously ratified by a Senate full of founding fathers and signed by devout minister John Adams:
Treaty of Tripoli
The Treaty of Tripoli (Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary) was the first treaty concluded between the United States of America and Tripolitania, signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796 and at Algiers (for a third-party witness) on January 3, 1797. It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797 and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
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Posted: 2/14/2012 10:10:48 PM |
No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people...This is a Christian nation." There it is! From the Supreme Court of the United States. This court went on to cite 87 precedents (prior actions, words, and rulings) to conclude that this was a "Christian nation".
Just cuz yer newbies are pagans doesnt mean we, as a nation, always were.
And yet, there is a great difference between being a "Christian nation" and being a "Christian state." The justices were not suggesting an establishment of the US as "Christian" in a way relevant to its political identity--they were not EXCLUDING others from American-ness. Recognizing that in 1892 MOST Americans were Christian (as may be the case now)--and thus comprised a Christian NATION--does not do that. A nation is not the same thing as a state. It's important to recognize that.
Those recognizing the ambiguity of our founding documents are right to do so. If Jefferson had MEANT Jesus he would have SPECIFIED Jesus. He didn't just forget. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2012 7:46:36 AM | | No need for sarcasm, if the United States was intended to be a Christian nation, then it would have stated as such in the United States Constitution.Were the founding fathers influenced by religion of course they were. They also wisely recognized the dangers of a national religion.I noticed you skipped over the Fact that Jesus is not mentioned once in the Constitution.The founding fathers were made up of many religious beliefs most in fact were deists.Jefferson took a razor to the bible and cut out any references to the divinity of Jesus,miracles and called the book of revelations the rantings of a madman while at the same time recognizing the moral character of Jesus.Personally IMHO religion should be left entirely out of politics but everyone knows that's not going to happen. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2012 5:54:22 PM | | Martin Luther had a huge influence on western political thought. He posted his 96 Theiseis on the door of a church in Wurtenburg. His main objections to the church came after a visit to the Vatican, and were based on the excesses of pope Pius the Innocent. his main points were the vaticans extortion of the people through thithing, at the time the Vatican aked beleivers to give money to release the souls of their loved ones from purgatory, and ML felt that people could have a direct relationship with G-d, they did not need the church or a priest as a conduit. this idea, that the people could directly communicate with ' the source' of power without an intermediary, was revolutionary at the time, and changed forever in the west how we relate to power and authority. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2012 8:39:18 PM | | No it is not the Protestant Church, it is the 96 Theseis. ML, never wanted to create a new church, he wanted to reform the Vatican. While his views may have influenced Protestanism, they were not Protestant views per se. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 11:15:31 PM |
No it is not the Protestant Church, it is the 96 Theseis. ML, never wanted to create a new church, he wanted to reform the Vatican. While his views may have influenced Protestanism, they were not Protestant views per se.
Nope. Sorry, but this is not so. Luther didn't intend to create a new church when he posted his theses (how could he have imagined where that would take him?), but he certainly DID know what he was doing when he began his rash of publishing in 1521. By 1519, two years after posting his theses, he had admitted that his views were completely counter to Roman Catholic orthodoxy, and if that weren't enough, calling the RC Church the Whore of Babylon and Antichrist in 1521 probably did the trick. It's a fallacy to suppose that over the years his revolution took place he somehow still identified himself with the Catholic Church. He would not have recognized your analysis.
And his views did more than "influence" Protestantism. His concept of "faith alone" was the TEST for "Protestantism"--the without which nothing! While some "Protestant" sects have re-imbued their faiths with free will, Luther's idea that grace ALONE saved was radical, completely incompatible with Catholicism, and absolutely Protestant. Saying that Martin Luther wasn't a Protestant is much like saying that Martin Luther King wasn't a civil rights leader.
Agreed. (somebody make note of the time and date, yo)
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Posted: 2/26/2012 7:45:52 AM |
Why is Religion such an important factor in Politics?
This may shed some light.
The Perversity of Extremism Tends Toward The Maximum
Posted by Jim Wright
The greatest tragedy in mankind’s entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion
Sir Arthur C. Clarke, (Credo, Greetings, Carbon-Based Bipeds! Collected Essays, 1934-1998, 1999)
I need a word.
And I’m pretty sure that word is “boggle.”
Let’s review, shall we?
Here we have a political party who believes that while corporations are people, and therefore imbued with unlimited and inalienable rights, women are not – not people and not imbued with the same rights as men or corporations.
Paradoxically, and for no reason that I can fathom – other than perhaps either brainwashing or a staggering level of self loathing – there are actually women who share this belief.
Now, these are the same folks who have proclaimed themselves champions of personal liberty here in the United States of America and are opposed to any regulation on business even when the conduct of that business poses a real and immediate threat to the security and welfare to the entire nation, indeed the entire world, but who see nothing wrong with regulating the hell out of a uterus. Men have rights. Corporations have rights. Churches have rights. Uteruses have rights. Fetuses have rights. Women have rights only so long as they don’t impinge on the previously mentioned rights.
These are the people who claim to revere the concept of personal responsibility, of self determination, of freedom – and supposedly the consequences thereof – except when it comes to a woman’s right to decide what is right for herself and her aforementioned uterus. These people believe that any woman who chooses to accept personal responsibility for her own decision, must not be allowed to make that decision if it conflicts with their religious beliefs – even if the woman in question isn’t an adherent of their religion.
These are the folks who hysterically scream“fascism!” and “death panels!” and demand the right to decide their own medical decisions for themselves without interference from either their neighbors or the government or anybody else’s church, but somehow believe that God told them to legislate a woman’s healthcare options, and most especially that aforementioned uterus.
These are the folks who think laws governing healthcare that come from the federal government are “communism,” but the exact same directives issued at the state and local level somehow are not.
These are the folks who decry supposed social engineering by their political opposition, but see nothing wrong with attempting to manipulate the population by implementing laws and practices whose only purpose is to publically shame and humiliate any woman who avails herself of a legal medical procedure. Doubtless these are the kind of people who if they had ever read The Scarlet Letter, would see themselves as the smugly self righteous Puritans – but in reality they are the self-hating hypocrite, Reverend Dimmesdale, piously preaching God’s morality and waving the Bible, and with their holy robes carefully clutched over their own shameful brand.
These are the kind of people who hold governmental hearings on women’s healthcare, and don’t allow a single woman to participate on the panel.
These are folks who rage loud and hysterically demand new laws to prevent the bronze age edicts of Middle Eastern religions from being imposed upon the women of America, despite absolutely no evidence in any way shape or form of that happening and Constitutional prohibitions specifically preventing it in the first place, but then vehemently protest and threaten violence when they aren’t allowed to impose the medieval misogyny of a religion from another part of the Middle East upon those very same women while they simultaneously denounce those very same Constitutional protections.
These are the folks who demand that their own religious icons be posted in American courthouses, and yet somehow completely and blindly fail to understand that if they actually did get their way and American law really was indeed based upon those very same Biblical directives, they would be some of the very first criminals stoned to death in the town square and outside the city gates, Jehovah didn’t differentiate between Democrat and Republican, Liberal and Conservative. There was a time when this land was governed by such laws, note the previously mentioned Nathaniel Hawthorne novel, somehow I seriously doubt many of these people really want to return to that world, most especially including a certain former Speaker of the House, presidential candidate, and serial adulterer – but I digress.
These are the people who actually think that abstinence is a workable form of birth control despite millennia of contrary examples, despite being supposed experts in the human condition, despite the fact their own priests and politicians can’t remain celibate, despite the staggering pandemic numbers of unwanted and unintended pregnancies, and despite the fact that they themselves (and their children) keep coming up pregnant – which probably goes a long way toward explaining why so many of them use birth control, including hormonal birth control, despite their hypocritical call for others to abstain.
These are the folks who would kill, who have killed, to defend a fertilized human egg that has neither divided nor implanted in the uterine wall, but abdicate any and all responsibility for the same child once it’s born. For them, life begins at conception and ends at birth.
These people adamantly reject sexual, marital, and reproductive healthcare recommendations from degreed and accredited American medical experts backed up by literally centuries of scientific advancement and experience, and embrace the palsied iron age godly “wisdom” of an 80-year old holy man in a pointy hat who holds no medical degree, has never entered into any long term sexual relationship let alone marriage and indeed may never have actually had sex with anybody, has never produced children, has never raised a family, lives a privileged and secluded life that has no resemblance to the average American in any way whatsoever, and who claims the moral and ethical high ground despite helming an organization that repeatedly and continually fails to acknowledge or take responsibility for countless heinous acts of systemic abuse of its own children, a man who only last week promoted to senior positions clergy who were directly responsible for perpetuating and enabling and covering up those very same acts, and a man too damned busy with the mote in everybody else’s eye to see the three hundred foot long, thirty foot in diameter, five hundred ton redwood tree lodged up to the rootball in his own eye socket. Whenever I witness these pointy hat wearing sons of ****es questioning the president’s morality, it makes me want to vomit and I sincerely hope that there is an actual hell of brimstone and ice waiting for these vile ****ers, but I digress yet again. I also spit on the ground at their feet.
These are the same silly sons of ****es who think that pregnancy resulting from rape is a gift from God.
These are the very same red faced blowhards who, at every single opportunity since the Lyndon Johnson administration, pontificate with relentless fervor against the welfare queens who supposedly do nothing but indiscriminately welp out an endless parade of crack-babies on the taxpayer dole, but now suddenly they’re against birth control.
These are the folks who hold women in utter contempt as fallen sinful creatures, as purveyors of some bullshit made-up concept of original sin, as less than man, as less than corporations, as weak and willful and unclean, but then are afraid that if a couple finds out that the sex of their fetus is female, well, heck they might abort.
And, yes, these are very same folks who think that the government has no authority to require insurance companies to pay for prenatal care or optional ultrasounds in order to ensure the health of a fetus intended to be carried to term, but do think the government should mandate the very same procedure for abortions (Seems to me that if you’re a Texan, or a Virginian say, and want an expensive ultrasound analysis of your pregnancy for free, even if you’re uninsured (or your insurance company refuses to pay for it), all you have to do is say you’d like an abortion, then “change” your mind after the exam and “decide” do keep the baby – oh well, look at that blurry little blob, you’ve convinced me, Jesus! Be sure to ask for a hardcopy of the picture first, and maybe a video to keep you on the straight and narrow, and maybe some complimentary copies for grandpa and grandma, also how about a cup of coffee and some of those blueberry muffins? Otherwise I might just have to terminate this little **stard. Thanks, cream in the coffee, no sugar. But, as I’m sure you’ve already noted, I digress).
Yes, boggle.
It just boggles my mind.
It boggles my mind that anybody, let alone a woman, would actually propose a law that would require a doctor to jam an ultrasound probe into a woman’s vagina and force her watch video of a blob of tissue that by definition is so underdeveloped that it can’t even be detected by other means, that is so unlike a human being that it requires a specialist to interpret the various parts of the image. It boggles my mind that there is actually a woman on this planet who would actually think for one second that violating any other woman, let alone a traumatized woman who was impregnated through rape or against her will, was in any way whatsoever a moral or ethical or human thing to do. The horrifying level of gender-hatred and self-loathing it must take to be that woman boggles my mind.
It boggles my mind that a governor, a supposedly educated man charged with the representation of all the citizens of his state – not just the ones with external plumbing or letters of incorporation – would actually even consider signing such an abomination. And it boggles my mind that anybody, any American, would consider such a man for any elected office, let alone the office of Vice President.
No matter how many times these silly pinched-faced sons of ****es get shot down, they keep coming back. They keep trying to impose their bullshit on the rest of us.
They want us to believe that it isn’t about denying women the right to self-determination.
They want us to believe that it is about the children.
They want us to believe that it isn’t about their religion.
They want us to believe that it’s about the right to life.
Fair enough.
If it’s really about life, about the sanctity of life, if jamming a probe into a woman’s vagina and forcing her to look at her insides in order to exercise her constitutional right under the law is about life,if it’s about that, well then I propose a few amendments.
How about we say that any man attempting to exercise his right to access certain medications, say like Viagra, should have to undergo a thorough and complete medical review to ensure he is healthy enough for extended sexual activity, after all, the natural order of such things, i.e. God’s will, says that he’s not, otherwise he wouldn’t need the man enhancer in the first place would he? The exam should include an invasive internal ultrasound of his prostrate. Sure jamming a probe up his ass is a completely unnecessary medical procedure, but we can never be too careful when it comes to life, now can we? A man should have to look his prostate in the eye so that he knows what he’s getting into, right? And, since we’re talking about life here, he should also be tested for all known venereal diseases to ensure the safety of his partner and his potential offspring’s life. Since certain venereal diseases may be dormant and may take time to manifest and become detectable, there might have to be a lengthy waiting period to ensure total safety of any potential life.
While we’re waiting for the test results, we can require a complete credit check of any man contemplating chemical man enhancement. After all, should a child result from such artificial congress, the man will have to provide for it – because this is about life and certainly any man who creates life won’t mind if we mandate that he be responsible for it. In fact, this should be a law, knock up a woman and you’re responsible by law, forever, period. You marry her and you stay married. Period. The cool part is that’s in the Bible. Hard to argue with the old bible, eh? Now because this is such a big responsibility, perhaps any man contemplating any activity that might result in life should be forced to view several hours worth of pictures of children, of diapers, of two AM feedings, of chicken pox, and braces, and driving lessons, and last but not least a spread sheet showing the cost to raise a child from implantation to college.
If a woman must be made aware of the consequences of her own actions, then too should a man. Surely we can all agree to that?
After all, we’re talking about life here, right?
But why stop there?
Life is just getting starting at conception, isn’t it?
And life is sacred. Therefore:
Contemplating a steak? We should make you review a slide show of colorectal cancer and visit a slaughterhouse. After all, you get sick from eating meat, we might have to pick up your medical bill, that makes your business our business – besides, who’s going to watch out for those kids you made? Better order a salad. Want a drink with your dinner? Let’s visit an AA meeting first with a side trip to the morgue so that you fully understand the consequences of over indulgence. Smoke? No problem, right after you review these microscope slides of diseased lung tissue and visit a couple of emphysema patients.
Want a gun? Well, then, since this is about the safety of children, of life, you’ll need to review cases of firearm related deaths that happen in the US each year. Now for simplicity’s sake, let’s say you will be only be required to look at a picture of every single child killed by gun violence for the previous twelve months, that’s actual real live children who have been born and are actual living breathing human beings – in 2007, for example, that was three thousand and forty two so you’d better get started. You’ll need to do that for each weapon you intend to purchase. Because, damn it, this is about protecting life. For a each additional gun, you can also look at pictures of the doctors shot down by folks who believe in the right to life.
Want to wage war? No problem, first you’ll need to serve in the military on the frontlines, let’s say twelve months in Afghanistan, next you can review pictures of battlefield casualties and dead civilians, and then we’ll be taking a trip to Dover so you can help carry the coffins of returning soldiers down the cargo ramp of the C-17’s, then you can start writing letters to their wives and sweethearts and parents and their children. Oh, and as long as we’re talking about war, let’s review what you’re going to need to do to use those “enhanced” interrogation techniques…
And finally,
Before attending your next Sunday service, you’ll need to review the church’s history of genocide, complicity in the Holocaust, pedophilia, molestation, and rape.
Since we’re talking about the children, I mean.
http://www.stonekettle.com/2012/02/perversity-of-extremism-tends-toward.html | |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 10:43:03 AM | not where you are, perhaps, but it is very rare for politics to be influenced by religion over here - though it does happen and is happening right now over marriage.
the churches here are fighting against gay marriage. as marriage is a civil ceremony which the church borrowed but does not own, it isnt any of their business - and who's business is it for someone else to say if two people cannot get married?
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Posted: 8/3/2012 3:59:53 PM | Because in America
If you can't convert...
you can always enforce.
It's a great irony that most "small Govt" conservatives
want a BIG socialist govt when it comes to religion.
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Posted: 8/23/2012 2:15:18 PM |
Catholic vote trending Republican
Washington D.C., Feb 26, 2012 / 01:16 pm
In a shift that could have consequences for the 2012 election, Catholic voters – especially non-Hispanic white Catholics – are more likely to identify as Republican or leaning Republican than they were in 2008.
A 2008 survey by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life found a significant Democratic advantage among Catholics. Fifty-three percent identified as Democratic or leaning Democratic voters, compared to 37 percent identifying with the Republican camp.
But Catholic respondents to the Pew Forum's 2011 survey were less likely to identify as Democrats or leaning Democratic. About 48 percent said they were Democrats or Democrat-leaning, while 43 percent said they were Republican or Republican-leaning – a six percentage point swing.
The change among non-Hispanic white Catholics was more pronounced at eight percentage points. In 2008, 41 percent were Republican or leaning Republican and 49 percent were Democratic or leaning Democratic. In 2011, 49 percent were identifying as Republican or leaning Republican, while only 42 percent stated a preference for the Democrats.
White Catholics who attend Mass weekly split party identification evenly in 2008, with 45 percent siding with each party. In 2011, 52 percent now identify as Republican or leaning Republican. Less frequent Mass goers were aligned with the Democratic Party at a rate of 54 percent in 2008, but now only 45 percent did so in the Pew Forum’s most recent survey. Forty-seven percent now side with Republicans.
Fifty-four percent of white Catholics under 30 now identify with the Republican Party, while only 49 percent of those age 30 and older do.
The survey shows losses for Democrats and gains for Republicans across all religious groups. The white Catholic shift of eight percentage points was exceeded only by a nine-point shift among Jews and a 12-point shift among Mormons.
The Pew Forum, which released the results on Feb. 2, claims a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percent for the Catholic and white Catholic respondents in 2011 and a plus or minus two percent margin of error for the same groups in 2008. Its survey was conducted at various points throughout 2011.
http://ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/US.php?id=4955#ixzz24PBK3v00
For example, when Republican Paul Ryan says "Im a Catholic deer hunter", who is he talking to???? I know far far more Democratic Catholic Deer Hunters than Republican Catholic Deer Hunters, & they arent identifying with today's Democratic party.
As old school/baby boomer traditional Kennedy Democratic Catholics fade away & die off, they are being replaced with younger Catholics who are turning Republican, due to the anti-religious hostility from today's Democrats, & its not just Catholics. Their hostility of today's Democratic party against organized religion unwittingly energizes & unites most of the religious bloc against them and in favor of the Republicans.
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Posted: 8/23/2012 2:52:13 PM | ^^^^
Actually, I'm not at all surprised that Catholics might be migrating (last election and this election) to the Republicans. They like their own kind, but have little or no tolerance for anyone who is of a different (anything browner) skin tone than theirs.
Catholics (as I'm familiar with them) are actually rather racist. They were some of the worst ones I know of during Nazi Germany ... and did an excellent job of delivering the Jews to the ovens in Germany. The hatred against the Jews (as well as Communists) back then became a regular subject from the pulpit at Mass.
I know this from my contacts with them when I lived in Germany. I lived in a Protestant town but also interacted with many people who talked of the "Nazi times" ... and they were quite clear that although at first, the Catholics were not necessarily on the side of the Nazis, they were quite comfortable getting rid of the Jews for them. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2012 5:11:13 PM | ^^^^
Verified! This perfect example of blind bully blanket racist hostility of today's Democratic party faithful against organized religion unwittingly energizes & unites most of the religious bloc against them and in favor of the Republicans. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2012 8:22:21 PM |
Actually, I'm not at all surprised that Catholics might be migrating (last election and this election) to the Republicans. They like their own kind, but have little or no tolerance for anyone who is of a different (anything browner) skin tone than theirs.
Catholics (as I'm familiar with them) are actually rather racist. They were some of the worst ones I know of during Nazi Germany ... and did an excellent job of delivering the Jews to the ovens in Germany. The hatred against the Jews (as well as Communists) back then became a regular subject from the pulpit at Mass. This perfect example of blind bully blanket racist hostility of today's Democratic party faithful against organized religion ...
Please note ... I related my experiences, and that was clear in my post.
I also related what was told to me in Germany by people who lived it. Repeat ... by people who lived it. They not only lived it, but participated. They openly admitted it and also said they now regret it.
When I first heard of it (during the time I lived there) I was shocked. Anyone with a computer can find it on the Internet as well. I didn't need to look it up since I knew the people who told me about it. I knew them well.
If any Republicans or others find that insulting, then take it up with Nazi Germany and the Catholics of the time.
Personally, I have no idea why or how people put religion and politics together. The two are TWO very separate things. Religion should never be part of running our government in any way, shape, or form. That would totally defy the reason our country was formed and why the people came here way back then. They were seeking freedom from religion which they did not have in the country they left. They wanted freedom from having to participate in religions that were forced on them.
Who would want that back? Not me!
I don't like it when I go to meetings at work and we are forced to pray before the meeting begins . I have quit social clubs that find it necessary to pray before the actual social function begins. I'm purposely late to such functions so I won't be forced to pray with them. | |
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Posted: 8/24/2012 10:49:38 AM |
I also related what was told to me in Germany by people who lived it. Repeat ... by people who lived it. They not only lived it, but participated. They openly admitted it and also said they now regret it.
When I first heard of it (during the time I lived there) I was shocked. Anyone with a computer can find it on the Internet as well. I didn't need to look it up since I knew the people who told me about it. I knew them well.
If any Republicans or others find that insulting, then take it up with Nazi Germany and the Catholics of the time.
Reading impairment noted, because the article I posted has nothing to do with Nazis, Germany, Jews, Communists, or Europe. It has everything to do with PRESENT DAY U.S. political identity of PRESENT DAY U.S Catholics & how it pertains to the 2 major PRESENT DAY U.S political parties.
The bigoted racist Nazi-glancing references to American Catholics in the above post is an ongoing example of behavior that reinforces the article that Democratic Catholics are being driven to the Republican side. If the party you belong to despises you, you will naturally seek refuge in the party that doesnt despise you. Who wins, & who loses???
But the Nazi's themselves werent pro catholic, many catholic priests were shot or sent to concentration camps.
Sounds like what PRESENT DAY adversarial liberals would do to their fellow moderate Democratic catholics.
Since we are keen on referencing Nazis, the PRESENT DAY Democratic Party is like Nazi Germany in this scenario, & U.S. Catholics are the German Jews, fleeing the party for safer refuge. The GOP is their Swiss border.
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Posted: 8/24/2012 11:19:41 AM | The article clearly states: Fifty-four percent of white Catholics under 30 now identify with the Republican Party, while only 49 percent of those age 30 and older do.
I would surmise the traditional old schoolers are staying put - its the up-and-coming ones who are seeing the hostile discriminatory climate & acting accordingly.
It also states: The survey shows losses for Democrats and gains for Republicans across all religious groups. The white Catholic shift of eight percentage points was exceeded only by a nine-point shift among Jews and a 12-point shift among Mormons.
This validates the racist adversarial liberal discriminatory hatred of fellow Democratic Catholics, Jews, & Mormons perfectly, & what the consequences of that racist hatred bring. | |
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