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Posted: 10/2/2008 6:45:23 PM | We are making similar points, albeit from opposite ends of the spectrum. By the way you made the lone "assertion" of racism. I provided you with some context. You love to use the phrase "straw man argument" and "spin", you didn't take a position, rather you made an assertion. Words like...spin, come from Fox. I'm asking you to address McCain's policies in Arizona directly. Using your logic and based on McCain's own policy positions in Arizona, can I make the same assertion of racism? By the way, I commend the fact that you speak 3 languages, as I noticed you made mention of that in another post. What languages are you fluent in, out of curiosity? I speak a few languages myself.
I'm watching this debate live, as in right now. Palin comes off as beyond scripted.Seriously that folksy stuff, only works with people who work at Pep Boys. Each time she opens her mouth, I feel like I'm watching Talladega Nights: The Story of Ricky Bobby. I honestly feel like changing a tire right now. | |
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Posted: 10/2/2008 7:15:43 PM | I use the phrase when I see it happening......which is quite often here.....Your assertion was in the form of his running for the presidency and NOT in policy positions in the state of Arizona which is why I called you on that.
Sorry but what I said was TWO languages and trying to work on a third. That would of course be English, German, and working on Russian of which right now thanks to Rosetta Stone I am starting on basic phrases. I learned German while stationed in Germany and married to a German National from Schweinfurt. Ich was eine soldat aus Schweifurt Conn Barracks Verstanten sie? | |
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Posted: 10/2/2008 7:26:23 PM | | I'm not sure I understand what you were trying to convey. My point was clear, in that John McCain has also placed ads, that could be interpreted as "racially" charged or divisive. I wouldn't necessarily use the word "racism", in the context of placing those ads. I studied Italian and French, as well as Brooklyn English.By the way I honor your service. My brother served in Iraq during Desert Storm. | |
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Posted: 10/2/2008 7:45:21 PM | Thank you and I return the honor for your brother. I think after Russian I may want to try Italian I have long wished to to visit Italy and never have had the chance though I have been to Russia. I Still have many more to go as one never stops learning or gaining knowledge. | |
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Posted: 10/2/2008 8:05:10 PM | | No problem, respect sir. I have traveled throughout South and Central America, as well as the Caribbean. I would love to go to Europe with a beautiful woman, hint ughh ughh . Seriously though I would take Sarah Palin to Europe and then leave her there, like Home Alone 9. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 2:57:33 AM |
I've already listed my reasons in another post. If you think about it they aren't that dissimular to arguments democrats have made regarding the reasons for McCain choosing a woman for vice president. Does this clear it up for you?
Actually, there is a big difference in the two arguments. Women make up approximately 50% of the voting republic, where as african americans make up approximately 12%. The difference don't end there, but that is the biggest and most significant difference there is.
And I've seen several posters say they would vote for him because he was black. One poster specifically was going to vote for Clinton (because she was a woman), wrestled with their conscience and then decided that they would vote for Obama because he's a minority. That's how their post read from my vantagepoint anyway. To me reverse-racism is still racism....
I am sure there are people that will vote for Obama because he is black, most of those folks are also black though, I doubt there are that many white folks running around saying I am going to vote for Obama because he is black, common sense will tell you that.
Also, I don't see it clearly as reverse racism is you vote for somoene of the same race, there are just too many variables to make that statement. When it comes down to it, most people regardless of race, religion, etnicity, etc. is more likely to vote for those folks that best resemble them, thinking they are more likely to agree with them fundamentally. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 4:26:07 PM | | I believe that America needs to show the world that we can accept change and move forward. That we are not a racist country. OBAMA is the right man for the job right now. All the world hates us because of the past administration. We cannot elect someone who is so similar and whose ideas are more of the same. And then how can we as Americans in our right mind, ever think that crazy Alaskan governor is in anyway shape or form qualified to lead us. Do we really want someone like her representing the country? She is not hometown American like she claims. She is northern red neck and I think her views are dangerous. The war is not God's plan, drilling for oil is not God's plan, and her leading our USA is not God's plan. Lets try to talk at least one person into joining the Obama support team. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 4:35:17 PM | I've heard a lot of comparison's drawn between Obama and Kennedy, I suppose mainly stemming from the excitement these candidates have generated. For myself I don't see an awful lot of simularities, and I don't mean that in a bad way. I think Kennedy is mostly remembered as a martyr to the civil rights movement. I view him as a politician who was bright enough to see how popular this movement was (in some areas) and knew where to hitch his wagon. People like Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King Jr., Medgar Evers, and even Jackie Robinson or Cassius Clay are the people who I would give credit for the civil rights movement, not some over priveledged white boy. I think Kennedy was more effective as a martyr to this movement than anything he would have done politically.
I've heard how people feel that Obama is such a great public speaker and I will admit that he is better than McCain, but not by much. Kennedy could outspeak either one of these candidates. From my experience, people who are gifted with excellent speaking abilities are best stationed selling used cars somewhere. A lot of the people who actually accomplish the jobs they set out to are not very good at selling themselves.
I don't think Obama is any better qualified than many other democrats to be president. I don't think he's any worse either but there are a lot of democrats who have spent more time in politics, and other than his race I don't see any distinguishing characteristics.
Women make up approximately 50% of the voting republic, where as african americans make up approximately 12%
I've seen numbers of around 34% for all minorities. And I would hazard a guess that any minority would feel more of a kinship with a half black man than a white guy. Also, it sometimes seems to me that these numbers can be very deceptive. While women account for 50% percent of the population, I've yet to see a politician who refuses to pander to women somewhat. I think this is why a majority of men, and a fair ammount of women feel that divorce laws today are unfavourably biased to benifit women. I sometimes think the only way this trend could be reversed is if a fair minded woman were elected into high office. I'd be willing to vote for Judge Judy.
If McCain wins this election, it might be because 20% of his supporters are voting against a black man. However, if Obama is elected, it might be because 21% of his supports support him because he's black. As I've already stated, when I was 20 I probably would have voted for him (Obama) as I was more of a bleeding heart then.
There, I've tried to answer your questions, and I'm about typed out.
Maybe NOW you can tell me why you feel Obama is so different from any other candidate that would warrant all of the excitement he has generated. I've explained in my opinion how my government's liberal policies have held back our economy and did nothing to prevent any future financial disasters that would be similar to your own. Maybe you can tell me how liberal policies (higher taxing, higher spending)could fix (or have prevented) the financial crisis down there. Keep in mind that after the events of september 2001, I feel your government was predestined to have massive overexpendictures in your military. So if we could leave that out... I feel Gore or Kerry wouldn't have made it any easier on the American pocketbook in that regard. | |
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| Will Obama Take Biden Off The Dem Ticket?
Posted: 10/3/2008 4:46:30 PM | Biden kicked Palin's butt last night and it was fun to watch
Palin said "nucular" just like the current idiot in chief!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2008 | |
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| Will Obama Take Biden Off The Dem Ticket?
Posted: 10/3/2008 6:22:27 PM | Biden kicked Palin's butt last night and it was fun to watch
The debates were definitely for entertainment purposes only. Hopefully most people saw that Palin was true to her script and did not waiver even if that meant avoiding a question all together.
Obama was in Michigan yesterday when he spoke to the African American audience and told them to get "Homey and Rae-Rae off the couch " to register to vote (for him).
That was supposed to be funny, right?
I think he could've addressed people in a more professional manner, but then again, I'm not voting for him either. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 8:40:38 PM |
Obama was in Michigan yesterday when he spoke to the African American audience and told them to get "Homey and Rae-Rae off the couch " to register to vote (for him).
That was supposed to be funny, right?
I think he could've addressed people in a more professional manner, but then again, I'm not voting for him either.
Would you mind citing your source for this?
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Posted: 10/3/2008 9:06:22 PM |
Palin said "nucular" just like the current idiot in chief!!
DW, that's just a ^5 to the present CIC, you know.... the one who pronounces "terror" as "tear". It's code for "we be the anti-intellectuals"
Would you mind citing your source for this?
I wouldn't hold your breath. Seem we're having a run on straight out lies without any verifications.
It's called republicanism. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 9:55:15 PM |
I wouldn't hold your breath. Seem we're having a run on straight out lies without any verifications.
Go to the thread "Rich need to be more patriotic" and read message 110.
Then read message 114.
Now do a googlesearch... and tell me which side is spreading lies? | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 11:54:04 PM | here is the breakdown of democrat voters;
65% are the smart democrats. these are the ones on welfare or other entitlement programs. they know that if they get a dem in office, they get more free money and hand outs.
25% are the stupid democrats. they vote for them just because they are democrats or the republican mispronounces a word. the reason thier stupid is because they fail to see that if the dem is elected, they will get more money taken out of there paychecks, which of course is given to the smart democrats.
10% are the fraudulent voters, and 2% of them are dead. A.C.O.R.N. cruisin' the graveyards taking names and registering them to vote.
as you can see, from the earlier entry posted, some of them are here now. as to which category this person may fall in, is your decision. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 12:53:41 AM | Would you mind citing your source for this?
I wouldn't hold your breath. Seem we're having a run on straight out lies without any verifications.
It's called republicanism.
I guess you would have had to been there as two fellow co-workers (and avid Obama supporters) were at the rally and the radio jocks had a blast with the comment as well. Maybe it'll be posted on the net, maybe not.
Now if Onama talked about "cousin Pookie and uncle Jethro" in Alabama, why not Rae-Rae in Michigan? Again, my opinion is that it's unprofessional - yet there are many who see nothing wrong with it.
http://thehnic.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/who-is-obamas-cousin-pookie/
As far as being republican, I dont buy into the two party system. You're sadly mistaken and misinformed. Neither puppet is getting my vote so there is no reason to create fabrications. Frankly, I could care less. 
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Posted: 10/4/2008 9:47:23 AM | 427 cammer
Thanks for bringing to my attention a couple faux pas.....seems I alomst missed replying to some serious nonsense,
and I'll be sure to correct dragonpat in the thread you are recalling me to.
During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?
A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.
This chart, based on historical figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, shows the total deficit or surplus for each fiscal year from 1990 through 2006. Keep in mind that fiscal years begin Oct. 1, so the first year that can be counted as a Clinton year is fiscal 1994. The appropriations bills for fiscal years 1990 through 1993 were signed by Bill Clinton's predecessor, George H.W. Bush. Fiscal 2002 is the first for which President George W. Bush signed the appropriations bills, and the first to show the effect of his tax cuts
Source:http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/during_the_clinton_administration_was_the_federal.html
Go to the thread "Rich need to be more patriotic" and read message 110.
Then read message 114.
Now do a googlesearch... and tell me which side is spreading lies?
OK Mr 427 cammer....you put me to the test.....now...
tell me.... who's lieing........you or dragonpat? Clinton clearly left the office with a surplus, so dragonpat is lieing (or misinformed) as are you.
But thanks for bringing to my atention his faux pas.  | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 11:18:24 AM | re:oneblend
Oh yes, getting the news by way of the email forward and personal blogs lol, ever the treasure trove of factual information. I'm going to cite my next source....myspace. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 1:29:44 PM |
Oh yes, getting the news by way of the email forward and personal blogs lol, ever the treasure trove of factual information. I'm going to cite my next source....myspace.
Sorry, but blend is right on this one. Research takes effort so I’ll do it for you.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/hes_talking_to.html
'Pookie' keeps popping up in Obama's speeches
By JONATHAN TILOVE Newhouse News Service
Jan. 30, 2008, 6:16PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/main/5500250.html
http://postbourgie.com/2008/06/16/obama-goes-the-pookie-route-again/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4210496
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_293EQfM9Y
http://refriedscreens.com/current-events/obamas-nemesis-revealed/
http://gawker.com/349065/without-comment | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 2:15:13 PM |
Obama was in Michigan yesterday when he spoke to the African American audience and told them to get "Homey and Rae-Rae off the couch " to register to vote (for him).
That was supposed to be funny, right?
it was actually "pookie and ray- ray" ,but that's beside the point.
the whole point was that some relatives call friends and family members by nicknames. He did it to relate to families that call family members and friends by nicknames . This is common with some african-americans. growing up, people gain nicknames by various reasons.The nicknames stick until they die.
special note: biden is here to stay. sadly, so is palin. just keep her away from any morning /daytime softball talk shows and she might make it through october.
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Posted: 10/4/2008 4:37:03 PM | OK Mr 427 cammer....you put me to the test.....now...
tell me.... who's lieing........you or dragonpat? Clinton clearly left the office with a surplus, so dragonpat is lieing (or misinformed) as are you.
No... you failed the test, I'm not lying and neither is dragonpat. You've obviously confused deficit and debt. As near as I can tell (finding figures on the internet is a tough job for me) during the Clinton years about 2 trillion dollars was added to the debt. It looks like if he solved the deficit at all, it was in the last several months of his presidency. Kind of like if he was living in an apartment for 8 years he managed to pay the full rent for the last 5 months (and never did pay any of the acrued backrent) - and then wondered why his landlord wasn't giving out any glowing references.
Not saying that Bush didn't drop the ball, but your information was obviously incorrect. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 5:44:59 PM | Once again, 427 cammer
During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?
A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.
This chart, based on historical figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, shows the total deficit or surplus for each fiscal year from 1990 through 2006. Keep in mind that fiscal years begin Oct. 1, so the first year that can be counted as a Clinton year is fiscal 1994. The appropriations bills for fiscal years 1990 through 1993 were signed by Bill Clinton's predecessor, George H.W. Bush. Fiscal 2002 is the first for which President George W. Bush signed the appropriations bills, and the first to show the effect of his tax cuts
Source:http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/during_the_clinton_administration_was_the_federal.html
I never made any reference to debt, period, so I am thinking the err (and confusion) is on you.
were you to have actually seen this webpage (which I strongly doubt you did) you would see a chart listing the federal deficit, from 1990 -2006, and indicates the changes occuring during Clintons years. The years that show a decrease in fiscal yars budgets were only during Clintons years, and show a dramatic increase after 2000, when Bush took office.
Thus, the arguement was made that, according to you, I was wrong. Correct?
What I said in dragonpats thread was that, not only did Clinton cleared the national deficit, he left a surplus, which my statistics bare out. What dragonpat refered to was national debt. Maybe the confusion is on your part, by enlisting my attention to his post, and my contentions that Clinton erased the deficit.
If you're incorrectly calling me out on debt vs deficit, then I'll accept your apology, but I've failed no test, I proved what my contentions were, and unless you just feel like draggin this out into the streets, I suggest we drop the issue. If there is something Iv'e failed to prove, that I made a point of contention to, I suppose it's your arguement to make, but I did back up M-Y claims, something I've yet to see any evidence of on your part. IOW's,. if you're going to say I've failed a test, be sure to bring some 'source" of information that you intend to back up your statements with.
I've already backed up my statements.
It looks like if he solved the deficit at all, it was in the last several months of his presidency
Again, had you actually seen the source page I referenced, you'd see Clinton had nearly erased the deficit by year 1997, and clearly erased it by 1998. But, your 'analogy" of apartment rental (more or less) indicates to me I'm not dealing with someone who actually intends to back up their own statements. This seems altogether speculation and opinion, rather than actual factual information for debate. | |
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