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 MacKevinized
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As I said Obama will institute Chicago-style corruption on a national scale...


and as a lot of people said, McCain is addicted to Rove/Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield corruption on a national scale...

Lie for a while
Lie with a style
Lie with a smile
Lie at the trial

Lies from the pile
Lies from the files
Lies toped with bile
Lies from 'de nile
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 9/15/2008 6:12:18 AM
Bad voter applications found
Clerks see fraudulent, duplicate forms from group
BY L.L. BRASIER • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • September 14, 2008
Several municipal clerks across the state are reporting fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications, most of them from a nationwide community activist group working to help low- and moderate-income families.

The majority of the problem applications are coming from the group ACORN, Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which has a large voter registration program among its many social service programs. ACORN's Michigan branch, based in Detroit, has enrolled 200,000 voters statewide in recent months, mostly with the use of paid, part-time employees.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809140383


Wow, Philly, I think you are on to something here....I really do.

Over 200,000 voters registered, by many people working for ACORN, and they've found HOW many fraudulent and duplicate ones ?

Oh, wait....they don't quote a number. I wonder why ?

You have heard about the Republican full court press against ACORN, haven't you ? In all your research, you must have stumbled across something about that, right ?


ACORN became a target because of its successful voter-registration work. As the 2004 election approached, then-Attorney-General John Ashcroft launched a broad initiative to crack down on supposed voter fraud in battleground states, including Florida, Missouri, Ohio and New Mexico, where ACORN was making headway registering voters. In all of those states, Republicans filed suits against ACORN for voter fraud, and, in every case, ACORN was exonerated.

Nevertheless, conservative media continued to smear the group. In October of 2004, right-wing news outlets pounced on a story about the organization mishandling voter forms and, according to Rush Limbaugh, "trying to register voters two and three times." Two years later, after the 2006 election, the Wall Street Journal promoted claims that ACORN was under scrutiny for election irregularities with one headline blaring, “A union-backed outfit faces charges of election fraud.” An editorial included an allegation-that ACORN gave cocaine to a worker in exchange for fraudulent registrations-that was a complete fabrication.

This brings the story to New Mexico. After Al Gore beat George W. Bush by just 366 votes in 2000, the state became the site of a bitter battle over voter registration. By the fall of 2004, as the race between Bush and John Kerry tightened, ACORN had signed up more than 35,000 voters statewide. But one of the new voters turned out to be a 13-year-old son of a Republican policeman. State Republicans filed a lawsuit. Matt Henderson was called to testify during the suit. And that's when Henderson almost got indicted.

Henderson was quoted in the press on October 10, 2000, stating “ACORN made photocopies of all the registration cards it delivered to the county.” At the time, it was legal to do so. By 2004, the law was changed making that practice illegal, and ACORN no longer made copies. At the trial, Henderson was asked if he continued that practice and on his lawyer's advice refused to answer. On October 1, 2004, the New Mexico Republican Party called on Iglesias to investigate Henderson for perjury and “suspect” practices.

Although the presiding judge dismissed the lawsuit for lack of evidence, Iglesias announced at a press conference that he would look into the matter, declaring, "It appears that mischief is afoot, and questions are lurking in the shadows." But, by January 2005, Iglesias concluded that his voter-fraud task force had not turned up enough evidence to bring a fraud case against ACORN. By early December 2005, he had been fired.

In theory, the U.S. attorney scandal should make it harder for the Bush administration to continue to level baseless charges of voter-fraud in an effort to challenge the registration of poor and minority voters. But there are few signs that they are planning to relent. Since 2003, according to the Boston Globe, the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division has hired 11 lawyers from the conservative Federalist society, including two people from the Bush-Cheney campaigns.

To be sure, ACORN hasn't been stopped in its tracks. As Henderson told me, "We will never be intimidated by baseless legal attacks." And looking ahead to 2008, organizers vow to run "issue campaigns" focused on boosting voter turnout through ballot initiatives such as minimum-wage increases, which brought people to the polls in Missouri and Montana in the 2006 elections.

More than 40 years after passage of the voting rights act, the efforts by the Bush White House to intimidate minority voters remind us that the agenda of the civil-rights movement remains unfinished. The outcome of the 2008 presidential race may well hinge on whether the Rove strategy or the ACORN strategy prevails.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/06/11/out_to_get_acorn.php



You also know about the new law in Michigan, Philly ?


Lose your house, lose your vote

Michigan Republicans plan to foreclose African-American voters

The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County, Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP’s effort to challenge some voters on Election Day.

“We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren’t voting from those addresses,” party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week. He said the local party wanted to make sure that proper electoral procedures were followed.

State election rules allow parties to assign “election challengers” to polls to monitor the election. In addition to observing the poll workers, these volunteers can challenge the eligibility of any voter provided they “have a good reason to believe” that the person is not eligible to vote. One allowable reason is that the person is not a “true resident of the city or township.”

The Michigan Republicans’ planned use of foreclosure lists is apparently an attempt to challenge ineligible voters as not being “true residents.”

One expert questioned the legality of the tactic.

“You can’t challenge people without a factual basis for doing so,” said J. Gerald Hebert, a former voting rights litigator for the U.S. Justice Department who now runs the Campaign Legal Center, a Washington D.C.-based public-interest law firm. “I don’t think a foreclosure notice is sufficient basis for a challenge, because people often remain in their homes after foreclosure begins and sometimes are able to negotiate and refinance.”

As for the practice of challenging the right to vote of foreclosed property owners, Hebert called it, “mean-spirited.”

GOP ties to state’s largest foreclosure law firm

The Macomb GOP’s plans are another indication of how John McCain’s campaign stands to benefit from the burgeoning number of foreclosures in the state. McCain’s regional headquarters are housed in the office building of foreclosure specialists Trott & Trott. The firm’s founder, David A. Trott, has raised between $100,000 and $250,000 for the Republican nominee.

The Macomb County party’s plans to challenge voters who have defaulted on their house payments is likely to disproportionately affect African-Americans who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters. More than 60 percent of all sub-prime loans — the most likely kind of loan to go into default — were made to African-Americans in Michigan, according to a report issued last year by the state’s Department of Labor and Economic Growth.

Challenges to would-be voters

Statewide, the Republican Party is gearing up for a comprehensive voter challenge campaign, according to Denise Graves, party chair for Republicans in Genessee County, which encompasses Flint. The party is creating a spreadsheet of election challenger volunteers and expects to coordinate a training with the regional McCain campaign, Graves said in an interview with Michigan Messenger.

Whether the Republicans will challenge voters with foreclosed homes elsewhere in the state is not known.

Kelly Harrigan, deputy director of the GOP’s voter programs, confirmed that she is coordinating the group’s “election integrity” program. Harrigan said the effort includes putting in place a legal team, as well as training election challengers. She said the challenges to voters were procedural rather than personal. She referred inquiries about the vote challenge program to communications director Bill Nowling, who promised information but did not return calls.

Party chairman Carabelli said that the Republican Party is training election challengers to “make sure that [voters] are who they say who they are.”

When asked for further details on how Republicans are compiling challenge lists, he said, “I would rather not tell you all the things we are doing.”

Vote suppression: Not an isolated effort

Carabelli is not the only Republican Party official to suggest the targeting of foreclosed voters. In Ohio, Doug Preisse, director of elections in Franklin County (around the city of Columbus) and the chair of the local GOP, told The Columbus Dispatch that he has not ruled out challenging voters before the election due to foreclosure-related address issues.

Hebert, the voting-rights lawyer, sees a connection between Priesse’s remarks and Carabelli’s plans.

“At a minimum what you are seeing is a fairly comprehensive effort by the Republican Party, a systematic broad-based effort to put up obstacles for people to vote,” he said. “Nobody is contending that these people are not legally registered to vote.

“When you are comprehensively challenging people to vote,” Hebert went on, “your goals are two-fold: One is you are trying to knock people out from casting ballots; the other is to create a slowdown that will discourage others,” who see a long line and realize they can’t afford to stay and wait.

Challenging all voters registered to foreclosed homes could disrupt some polling places, especially in the Detroit metropolitan area. According to the real estate Web site RealtyTrac, one in every 176 households in Wayne County, metropolitan Detroit, received a foreclosure filing during the month of July. In Macomb County, the figure was one household in every 285, meaning that 1,834 homeowners received the bad news in just one month. The Macomb County foreclosure rate puts it in the top three percent of all U.S. counties in the number of distressed homeowners.

Wayne, Oakland, Macomb, Kent and Genessee counties were — in that order — the counties with the most homeowners facing foreclosure, according to RealtyTrac. As of July, there were more than 62,000 foreclosure filings in the entire state.

Joe Rozell, director of elections for Oakland County in suburban Detroit, acknowledged that challenges such as those described by Carabelli are allowed by law but said they have the potential to create long lines and disrupt the voting process. With 890,000 potential voters closely divided between Democratic and Republican, Oakland County is a key swing county of this swing state.

According to voter challenge directives handed down by Republican Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land, voter challenges need only be “based on information obtained through a reliable source or means.”

“But poll workers are not allowed to ask the reason” for the challenges, Rozell said. In other words, Republican vote challengers are free to use foreclosure lists as a basis for disqualifying otherwise eligible voters.

David Lagstein, head organizer with the Michigan Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), described the plans of the Macomb GOP as “crazy.”

“You would think they would think, ‘This is going to look too heartless,’” said Lagstein, whose group has registered 200,000 new voters statewide this year and also runs a foreclosure avoidance program. “The Republican-led state Senate has not moved on the anti-predatory lending bill for over a year and yet [Republicans] have time to prey on those who have fallen victim to foreclosure to suppress the vote.”

http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote


In a close race in Michigan, the Republican party is on a full court press to knock as many people off the ballots as they can, and I'd love to know how many of those "fraudulent voters" may actually be people who've lost their houses.



ACORN most famously is the organization Obama worked for as a "community organizer".


Twelve years ago.........
 NERO1
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Posted: 9/15/2008 6:28:43 AM
So are you saying he's poised to try and steal an election....... as happened in 2000, thus leading to the Kings of Corruptions' collective 8-year dump on the nation and the world ??

In any case, Cook County carries the Chicagoland area which carries Illinois due to sheer population. Illinois is like two different states practically, once you go south of a certain area south of Chicagoland, but the southerners don't really get much say ultimately anymore because we've got the numbers up here. Cook County has the highest number of Afr.-American peoples in any county in the US (it's true; look it up), and has also been a staunchly Democratic stronghold , run by the old Irish Catholic working-class Daley "machine" for example.

Sure McCain has pockets of supporters in Cook County (there are many around here making +250K / year for instance, who don't want to get further taxed basically), but he knows as well as anyone he has no serious chance in Chicagoland in general, ACORN or no ACORN. And with the general leftward trend of Illinois (due to Chicago suburbs even moving more "left") it's no longer considered a "swing state" by any means. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0716/p01s01-uspo.html (older article on it, but still pretty current really).

I tell friends of mine who also live in Cook County but are, for whatever reasons, planning to vote Republican or Independent (Ron Paul is popular with some around here), they can vote for or write-in whomever they want basically, and ultimately it makes no difference because either way Cook County is going to be solid blue.
 ibscrooge
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Posted: 9/15/2008 8:24:45 AM
MG you cant have it both ways.....Sure he worked for them 12 years ago but as you yourself pointed out and so many other love to point out and tout his "extensive" service as a community organizer you cant now dismiss it as.....well it was 12 years ago....It also falls in line with his antics involving the voter issues that got him elected in the first place by removing everyone from the ticket simply by challenging the signatures at a point where there would be no time to verify thus effectively getting rid of the opposition who was ahead in the polls. You yourself have said where theres smoke theres fire....His knowledge of voter registration then gets used to catapult him into the state senate by loopholes Hmmmmm wheres theres smoke theres fire......
 ladyfrompa
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Posted: 9/15/2008 8:37:22 AM
Aw, yes, Philadelphia, where Rendell sends all the money from our state. Sometimes I believe Rendell is Governor of Philly rather than the State of Pennsylvania. Talk about corruption.....look in your own backyard!!! Philly is about as corrupt as any city in the country.........Now, wanna talk about corrupt Republicans...we can always start with Bush/Cheney...look at the corruption in the last 8 years, now that's something we can talk about but it would take more than this post to cover everything and everyone from this administration who is corrupt and crooked. You start...go on...I'm waiting...
 ladyfrompa
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Posted: 9/15/2008 8:41:08 AM
Read MG's post, informative, and accurate...seems a Canadian is more informed than someone from Philly....
 ibscrooge
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Posted: 9/15/2008 8:46:40 AM
Now, wanna talk about corrupt Republicans...we can always start with Bush/Cheney...look at the corruption in the last 8 years, now that's something we can talk about but it would take more than this post to cover everything and everyone from this administration who is corrupt and crooked. You start...go on...I'm waiting

First wrong thread please refer to the correct thread for that discussion. Second Bush/Cheney are no longer in the picture this is about CURRENT issues with a candidate vying to become president. Throwing up a strawman argument by trying to detract from one to look at the other is not going to work here sorry but we are a bit more cognizant than to fall for that.
 ladyfrompa
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Posted: 9/15/2008 2:30:23 PM
Two words .... Hanging Chads.............
 Mr.Santiago
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Posted: 9/15/2008 2:41:41 PM
Gezzzz just because they support him dose not mean anything. John McCain's economic adviser is Phil Graham who is a banking lobbyist and is directly behind today’s bank failings by his sneaking through a bill on the last day of the Christmas recess last year which deregulated the banking industry. The following day took a board position with DBS.

We have been here before. Remember the 80’s John McCain with under investigation as part of the Keating Five.

When you’re done being a sheep, start doing your own research instead of getting your own information from Limbaugh and Hanidy.
 Simlasa
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Posted: 9/15/2008 2:52:50 PM
Again,
The title of this thread and the initial post are misleading and false.
There are no facts supporting the OP's innuendo that Obama is personally somehow behind some sort of voter fraud.
If there even is some sort of voter fraud.

Even if there was... tying the candidate to every craven act by his supporters would lead to any and all candidates being hung out to dry.
 CharlesEdm
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Posted: 9/15/2008 7:15:33 PM

The title of this thread and the initial post are misleading and false.
There are no facts supporting the OP's innuendo that Obama is personally somehow behind some sort of voter fraud.
If there even is some sort of voter fraud.


Sigh. It's not even a claim of voter fraud, it's a claim of voter registration fraud.

You know who gets ripped off in voter registration fraud? Project Acorn, and the government. Because the people who do the ripping off are doing it to hit quotas, no extra votes are actually cast.
 ibscrooge
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Posted: 9/19/2008 6:12:04 AM
Sigh. It's not even a claim of voter fraud, it's a claim of voter registration fraud.

You know who gets ripped off in voter registration fraud? Project Acorn, and the government. Because the people who do the ripping off are doing it to hit quotas, no extra votes are actually cast.

Charles occasionally we see things eye to eye here. This being one of them. I agree with you and a dead issue.

ACORN however isnt a dead issue as I am still wondering why this hasnt been noted yet but yesterday the New York TImes gave Rush an opportunity to reply to a new Obama add done in spanish to be aired on spanish networks. In the ad Obama blatantly takes Rush out of context from a comedy sketch several years ago about the laws concerning immigration in Mexico. This was debunked by several news organizatons and believe it or not taken to task by CNN. Rush,s 700 word op-ed will appear today in the Times and on-line at their website. This is not a 527 ad and yes it says at the end "Iam Obama and I approve this message"
 flawedbutfun
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Posted: 9/19/2008 9:42:36 AM

Stuff on him gets a brief notice then swept under the rug. Since FOX is the most fair, it won't keep this in the limelight like MSNBC attempts to do with anything they can try to slant negative towards Palin or McCain.



FAUX NOISE is the most fair...thanks for giving me a good side splitting laugh for the day. I needed one after watching the news coverage (news media coverage not FAUX NOISE right wing slant to every story) of the financial debacle that came about on the GOP's watch (8 years of Presidency and 6 in control of Congress). Thanks bush for keeping your eye on the economy, thank you bush for the Iraq mess you got us into, thanks gramm for that wonderful financial deregulation...

Thank you GOP, may we have another f$*k up.
 itechman63
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Posted: 9/19/2008 11:12:21 AM

Rush,s 700 word op-ed will appear today...


Just 700? He's feeling unusually quiet today.

Why do we feel the need to single out our "opposing candidates" or "opposing party" for not being righteous or honorable without acknowledging that our own candidate/party of choice is just as guilty? Is there really a point in telling someone else they suck when you suck too? (That's a figurative "you" in there BTW).

If you're looking for integrity in either the Democrat or Republican party, you are barking up the wrong tree.
 ibscrooge
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Posted: 9/19/2008 6:58:56 PM
Just 700? He's feeling unusually quiet today.


LMAO gotta admit that one was good However just so you know it seems that many posters here have been saying all along that Obam is full of integrity and that he would not do such things as this. Just calling them on their obvious blindness and hoping that some of them will take off their rose colored glasses and see the real Obama.
 Eric2008
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Posted: 9/19/2008 8:22:07 PM
you guys really have to be kidding. how much more graft could we possibly have besides the Department of Interior scandal that broke last week, where top administration officials were giving away huge oil contracts to the big oil makers for babes, bribes and blow? (oh no, wait. thats right. Bush has nothing to do with the Republican party suddenly)


If a past president of Freddie Mac (Johnson) helps you pick your Vice-Presidential candidate and a past president of Fannie-Mae (Raines)(made 90 million as president had to give back 40 million when they found out he padded the books) is one of your Housing and finance advisors you must be free of corruption.

Those were not top Admin. officials There are no top Admin. officials in Denver.Learn the difference.

This Administration is more corrupt than you ever thought Bush could be and they haven't even been elected yet
 PhillyFellow
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Posted: 9/20/2008 10:57:47 AM
Obama Bundler Who Stormed Palin Convention Speech Welcomed at Obama's Elite Hollywood Fundraiser.
Thursday, September 18, 2008 | Kristinn
Less than two weeks after garnering worldwide attention by getting within feet of the stage where Palin stood before getting dragged away by security personnel, Obama bundler Jodie Evans, co-founder of the anti-American group Code Pink, was one of about 300 donors attending the high-priced fundraiser Obama held at the Greystone Mansion in Beverly Hills that brought in approximately $8 million for the Obama campaign and the Democratic party, according to Entertainment Weekly, which published the donor list for the event.
Obama greeted the elite donors individually and posed for photos with them.
Days after Palin's speech, the National Review's Jim Geraghty suggested to Obama that he cut his ties to Evans.

Others have urged Obama to cut his ties to Evans over much more egregious behavior. Specifically her support for the terrorists in Iraq, her sympathy for Osama bin Laden, her work with state sponsors of terrorism to undermine America's war effort, her embrace of Hugo Chavez and her campaign to drive the Marines out of Berkeley--among a long list of treasonous actions.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2085540/posts

This is the woman you remember who falsely used some member of news media's pass to get within a few feet of Palin during the speech at the Republican National Convention to begin her anti-McCain rant. Obama publicly gives his stamp of approval on this behavior by inviting her to this very exclusive fundraiser.
Obama also still seems to have this strange affinity for terrorist-sympathizers.

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 PhillyFellow
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Posted: 9/20/2008 10:59:22 AM

Rendell is Governor of Philly rather than the State of Pennsylvania. Talk about corruption.....look in your own backyard!!! Philly is about as corrupt as any city in the country........


I hardly think it is bad as Chicago.

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 PhillyFellow
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Posted: 9/20/2008 11:35:08 AM
That Rush Op-Ed is actually in the Wall Street Journal. He discusses the Obama Spanish-language ad that distorts what he said in an interview here:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3100991&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

I don't really care about Rush Limbaugh but what's really bad in the Obama ad is that it implies that McCain has the same views on immigration as does Limbaugh. In point of fact their views are diametrically opposed. McCain is in favor of an amnesty plan while Rush is strongly opposed to all such plans.


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 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 9/20/2008 11:40:26 AM
Actually McCain now says he wouldn't vote for his own bill. He's backpedaled like crazy in order to gain the approval of Rush and others.

And if Rush can mobilize voters to vote Republican - it's fair game to go after him.

edit: and weren't you using someone else to attack Obama just a few posts back. This whole thread is trying to smear Obama because he comes from a city that has a checkered history. Smacks of hypocrisy to now complain that Obama is running ads attacking someone McCain has actively courted.
 PhillyFellow
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Posted: 9/20/2008 11:44:12 AM

Sigh. It's not even a claim of voter fraud, it's a claim of voter registration fraud.
You know who gets ripped off in voter registration fraud? Project Acorn, and the government. Because the people who do the ripping off are doing it to hit quotas, no extra votes are actually cast.


Once you have those false registrations it would be very easy to engage in fraudulent voting. In my town of Philadelphia when you go to your voting booth you just give your name and they find your name in the voting registration list for that ward, and you sign next to your name. You don't even have to show ID. Someone who wanted to engage in fraud knowing these fraudulent registrations could just say they are that person and sign their name, assuming since they are aware of the fraudulent registrations they also know, or themselves had made, the original false signature.
And THAT would be the Chicago-way.


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 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 9/20/2008 11:50:58 AM
We register voters differently here: we used to do a door to door canvas every election, Elections Canada used to do pay people to go out. As someone who did that, there were mistakes where someone was registered twice or we got the wrong address - any human endeavor results in mistakes.

Project Acorn's percentage of mistakes is no higher than Elections Canada's. It's not fraud - it's just what happens when you go do a voter registration drive.
 PhillyFellow
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edit: and weren't you using someone else to attack Obama just a few posts back. This whole thread is trying to smear Obama because he comes from a city that has a checkered history. Smacks of hypocrisy to now complain that Obama is running ads attacking someone McCain has actively courted.


ACORN has been proven to be using illegal tactics in their attempt to drum up more voters for Obama. That's different from falsely distorting someone's words and then falsely claiming they share the same views on the issue the ad is addressing.
Obama more that just happens to come from the city where federal investigators have uncovered extensive corruption. His CHIEF fundraiser for ALL his prior campaigns including his U.S. Senate campaign, was Antoin Rezko, now convicted for political corruption, including using illegal fundraising tactics.

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 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 9/20/2008 12:05:47 PM
Oh for goodness sakes - you're back at it again.

You complain that Obama is attacking someone who is actively trying to get McCain elected President. Then you start smearing Acorn with lies. Try to smear Obama with Rezko - someone who has absolutely no association with the campaign. He raised money for Obama. Guess what? McCain has people who raised money for him with criminal pasts too - most famously Charles Keating. And Obama wasn't actively involved in Rezko's activities, unlike McCain and Keating.
 PhillyFellow
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Posted: 9/20/2008 12:22:43 PM
Not getting the point bud, Rezko was engaging in these illegal fundraising methods WHILE WORKING FOR OBAMA AS HIS CHIEF FUNDRAISER.

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