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 Miss Grundy
Joined: 4/5/2008
Msg: 176
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...everybody you meet has some kind of potential..good or bad..you want to experiment with your children - go for it !!

As an aside..

I have two sons..and four brothers and a father..so it goes without saying I'm not a man hater but a very funny ..strange thing happened a couple of years ago..

My eldest boy...who has the best sort of laid back/relaxed personality was being pursued by a wee girl who was a couple of years younger than him...she was always calling to our house and fawning all over him - telling him how much she liked him ..he was oblivious and just carried on being friendly..but my next door neighbour pointed out that..it could so easily happen that suspicions could arise about the 'relationship' they both (which was totally innocent and took place right outside my back door) had...she figured that my lad could easily become victim to any personal problems the girl had and be a figure of blame...all very complex but it made sense at the time for me to protect my son and discourage the little one from calling to my house so frequently - given that she was declaring her love and adoration for my boy every time.

I know it' crap but you've got to teach your sons how to protect themselves against being accused of something they'd never dream of doing and you have to protect your daughters and at the same time you have to teach them to be accepting.
 ava111
Joined: 9/11/2008
Msg: 177
i happened to me
Posted: 9/25/2008 8:13:26 PM
the easiest way to get an man out of ur life is to accuse him a horrendous crime nowadays the mention of it is enought for any man to be taken awsy from there kids i my day it was much harder anyay i ve hurt myself falling off my high horse
 pmb00cs
Joined: 11/2/2007
Msg: 178
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/25/2008 10:56:51 PM

Stastics..stastics....

how about the stastics that say that 3 out of every 5 women will experience some kind of abuse..sexual abuse...mental abuse throughout their lives...oh and it might have something to do with them being somewhat vulnerable due to being the 'weaker sex'...
My point about statistics is they are only as reliable as the source. A skilled statistician can manipulate a set of statistics to show just about any interpretation he sees fit.
If you can't imagine what it is like to be a parent and empathise with the difficulties we have to face you shouldn't comment...it's bloody outrageous that people who are single and don't have children to protect and encourage to achieve their potential exclaim horror at being made to feel guilty for being free and single..
Yes I'm single, yes I have no children of my own. So that means I have no right to enter into a debate on a subject that does effect me? Should this law get implemented nation-wide I shall be one of the people getting "checked out" (I have no aversion to seeing single mothers, my last serious girlfriend was a single mother). Trust me when I say I have first hand experience of the damage an over protective parent can do to their child. Damage that will last well into adulthood.
Why on earth ..in this day and age..the age of information at our fingertips should anybody trust completes strangers or even closer more intimate friends with our children....
Why would anyone have ever trusted a complete stranger? In this or any other age? I'm not suggesting you trust a complete stranger, but that you get to know someone and trust your own judgement. Trust those that you have come to know and trust.
 Variola
Joined: 6/27/2008
Msg: 179
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/26/2008 12:24:54 AM

It's hard work being a parent when your ultimate thoughts are all about ensuring your child has an easy passage in life and all of your energy is spent educating and informing them..and also coming to the conclusion that this world should be made a safer place for all...because we are all some mothers child and our potential grandchildren are going to inherit the legacy we leave behind.


Indeed and thats why they need protecting from stupid knee-jerk ill thought-out laws that will actually leave them more vunerable to abuse than protect them.
 AlmaM
Joined: 3/20/2008
Msg: 180
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/26/2008 1:59:47 AM
30 000 figure is from BBC News..

We are talking about very manipulative individuals who when in prison are the best behaved prisoners, most of them to re-offend as soon as they come out.Not to mention their methods they use.

30 000 is a figure of people who were caught and jailed.

1 in 1000 is nothing but if you think about the damage to the society one of them can cause.. how many kids in one town would be affected or the increase of this kind of the crime as there are also criminals who are not the actual abusers but do make money in child porn in terms of photographing, filming, reproducing and selling the material.

Here is an example of one of these individuals showing how the system with them works and how they commonly behave:


Paedophile jailed over child porn

Jun 18 2008 by Chloe Griffiths, Liverpool Daily Post
Convicted Wirral paedophile Mark Thompson

Convicted Wirral paedophile Mark Thompson _320

A SERIAL paedophile has been put behind bars indefinitely for downloading child porn at work.

Mark Thompson, 55, was jailed for 12 years in 1999 for a string of sex attacks on young girls and boys over 20 years.

The former accountant was released in 2005 after serving half his sentence and managed to get a job in Birkenhead.

But Liverpool Crown Court heard that within weeks he was using his employer’s computers to download scores of obscene images of children.

He later claimed he had been looking at the indecent pictures, many of very young boys, as a “coping strategy”.

But Judge John Roberts yesterday ruled Thompson, from Moreton, was still a danger and imposed an indefinite sentence for public protection.

Thompson will serve a minimum of three months before being considered for parole, but was warned he may never be released.

Judge Roberts said: “Whether you will ever be let out and, if so, when that will be, is a matter for the parole board. You will never be released unless the parole board decide you are no longer a risk to young boys.”

Mike Stephenson, prosecuting, told the court that in November 2006 Thompson was warned by his bosses at JFM Plant Hire about his use of the computer.

A month later a female colleague discovered files of obscene images on the machine while Thompson was at a doctor’s appointment.

Thompson was suspended and later admitted seven offences of making indecent pseudo images and a further charge of possessing 103 indecent images.

Nicholas Ryan, defending, said Thompson was looking at the images to try and “confront his demons”.

Thompson has a long record of sex attacks dating back 30 years and has served at least three prison sentences.

He was jailed in 1999 after targeting the children of single parents, befriending them and buying them gifts.

He abused 13 children, aged between five and 14, luring some to New Brighton’s Fort Perch Road.

Thompson made video recordings of some of his attacks.

Judge Roberts said: “After careful consideration I have concluded the sole reason for your actions was your continuing strong attraction to young males, an attraction which carries with it a real danger to young boys.”

In April, Thompson was banned from owning cameras and computers as part of a sex offenders’ prevention order imposed at Wirral Magistrates Court.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2008/06/18/paedophile-jailed-over-child-porn-64375-21092709/


And if you actually work in probation service I guess you are under pressure to release more and more prisoners as the jails are packed, you thinking who to let out and the pedophiles are the best behaved so here you go.. next week he is caught with the camera on his neck filming the kids around.. not to mention some of these people are actual child killers.. has anyone seen Panorama on 'probation service hostels' ?

This is why I think the law like this is needed to control the dangerous people like this once they are back on the street !
 AlmaM
Joined: 3/20/2008
Msg: 181
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/26/2008 2:32:53 AM

Why on earth ..in this day and age..the age of information at our fingertips should anybody trust completes strangers or even closer more intimate friends with our children....


I remember one situation when I came out of work earlier one day and met my childminder on the street and she was without my son.

So I asked her where my son was... and she said 'oh, do not worry he is sleeping at home.. my husband is with him'

And she was a registered child minder !

When I went to collect my baby her husband opened the door wearing only a towel he handed me my baby ..now this guy was not British but from another continent and even I still think they are a very nice family how could I possibly know what kind of society this person grew up in and whether he had any convictions so you blindly trust, you have to .. as you have to go to work and you have to leave your child with these people.. there are situations like this when you simply have no other choice but to hand your baby to a stranger and go to work !
 Macforty
Joined: 5/15/2008
Msg: 182
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/26/2008 2:52:30 AM
Concerned parents and carers can also seek from their local police details of the background of friends, neighbours and relatives who have unsupervised access to their children.

Lets just hope you dont have a falling out with any of the above ............even though you wont be on the register malicious gossip is dangerous and mud sticks !!


As with the lottery ticket that has been mentioned .........."It could be you" !!
 Miss Grundy
Joined: 4/5/2008
Msg: 183
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/26/2008 4:01:02 PM

Yes I'm single, yes I have no children of my own. So that means I have no right to enter into a debate on a subject that does effect me? Should this law get implemented nation-wide I shall be one of the people getting "checked out" (I have no aversion to seeing single mothers, my last serious girlfriend was a single mother). Trust me when I say I have first hand experience of the damage an over protective parent can do to their child. Damage that will last well into adulthood.

See..suggesting that a person is being over-protective to me seems like you don't actually understand the complexities involved in rearing children and is also rather manipulative.

If a mother or father has a gut instinct that a person in their life is not going to have a good influence but instead a bad one on the children they brought into this world - you need to respect that and allow them the autonomy of being in control of their and their children's lives....and therefore it follows that they have the absolute right to ensure that whomsoever they choose to employ as childminders, invite in to their family home for dinner or tea or even to do some labouring or which school they attend or who they end up loving is actually ok.

If you have the experience of being the partner of a woman who has children then you surely must know how it is to win the trust of a family.

I'm sure it's crap being a man at times but I've also had to have police checks done on me because of the various jobs I've worked in and I had no problem with people showing that particular initiative to attempt to discover if I would be a good person to be around children.

I think it's silly to feel affronted by someone's need to ensure their family's safety....tells me you've got an enormous ego anyway.
 pmb00cs
Joined: 11/2/2007
Msg: 184
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/26/2008 4:29:56 PM

See..suggesting that a person is being over-protective to me seems like you don't actually understand the complexities involved in rearing children and is also rather manipulative.
I apologise for the comment about over-protective parents. I made my post without taking the time to properly consider my words. I was angry, and lashed out. My comments there don't really belong to this debate, and maybe I shall start a debate on the correct topic to raise the point I was alluding too. But I doubt it.
If you have the experience of being the partner of a woman who has children then you surely must know how it is to win the trust of a family.
I know how hard it is to gain that trust, I also know how important it is. Which is one of the reasons I feel this law is a very bad law. It takes away the need for the mother to judge for herself, and this will in turn lessen her ability to do so. Trust is too important to entrust to government!
I've also had to have police checks done on me because of the various jobs I've worked in and I had no problem with people showing that particular initiative to attempt to discover if I would be a good person to be around children.
I have had to apply for security clearance for my current job. This has no bearing on how trust worthy I am. My manager does not trust me any more than he did before I made the application. That is because he has got to know me by working with me. It is the people that do not know me higher up the management chain that trust me more because of this form I now possess. However I have little respect for those that trust a piece of paper more than they trust real human judgement. In my opinion it is the sort of person that says I need Security Clearance to fix a computer that causes the sort of problems that lead to the public believing that Laws like this serve any good purpose.
I think it's silly to feel affronted by someone's need to ensure their family's safety
I do not feel affronted by the need of a parent to protect their children. I feel affronted by the continuing trend for the general populace, and the government, to want to pry into stuff that is none of their business, and doing so in a way that errodes the ability of society at large, and individuals more specifically, to make proper, clear, and educated judgements of each other.
tells me you've got an enormous ego anyway.
I assure you that my ego is quite healthy, and possibly a little smaller than it ought to be, unlike my waistline.
 Miss Grundy
Joined: 4/5/2008
Msg: 185
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/26/2008 4:50:57 PM
hey fatty tum tums..

I will reply to this..the rest of your post was complete balderdash to me...


If you have the experience of being the partner of a woman who has children then you surely must know how it is to win the trust of a family.

I know how hard it is to gain that trust, I also know how important it is. Which is one of the reasons I feel this law is a very bad law. It takes away the need for the mother to judge for herself, and this will in turn lessen her ability to do so. Trust is too important to entrust to government!


That is complete bollix..totally and inerasably (is that an actually word ?) so.

I'm never going to be convinced ..as a parent that knowledge and the ability to access that knowledge is an example of a nanny government trying to disempower parents and encourage them to be dependant upon heresay from gossip mongerers..jesus christ..If you have a black mark against your name it's there for a reason..

next argument !!
 pmb00cs
Joined: 11/2/2007
Msg: 186
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/26/2008 5:07:21 PM

I'm never going to be convinced ..as a parent that knowledge and the ability to access that knowledge is an example of a nanny government trying to disempower parents
The government aren't trying to dis-empower parents, they are succeeding in dis-empowering everyone. Besides which data without context is meaningless, and although I very much doubt the data that will be presented to parents under this law will be devoid of all context I don't doubt that it will not be presented with the full and proper context that allows it to be fully useful.
and encourage them to be dependant upon heresay from gossip mongerers
They don't want you dependant on here say or gossip mongers, they want you dependant on them, failing that they want you dependant, what on is unimportant. No-one is easier to control than those that are dependant on someone or something outside their control, especially when you control what they are dependant on.
If you have a black mark against your name it's there for a reason..
Yes, it is there for a reason, and that reason is normally the obvious reason. But it isn't always the obvious reason. And so we get back to the distinction between data and information. Information is always useful, data rarely is. Information is data with the proper context. This law will present data as information. And the biggest problem here is that the two are almost indistinguishable.
 Miss Grundy
Joined: 4/5/2008
Msg: 187
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Posted: 9/26/2008 5:19:06 PM
proper knowledge and distinct information is the difference between making an idiot out of yourself and a possible joke of family loyalty and love.

The children come first..the feelings of single men are totally secondary in the greater scheme of things.and a man who is persistent upon being an accepted good person and all round good- guy should be treated with suspicion..
 AlmaM
Joined: 3/20/2008
Msg: 188
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/26/2008 5:19:17 PM
OK to avoid the rumors caused by the level of secrecy let's have the Megan's Law version and actually
name them all publicly, same as Megan's Law does, together with their postcodes ;)

No rumors then and the parents know who they are
 Macforty
Joined: 5/15/2008
Msg: 189
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/27/2008 3:19:16 AM

OK to avoid the rumors caused by the level of secrecy let's have the Megan's Law version and actually
name them all publicly, same as Megan's Law does, together with their postcodes ;)

Or another way would be to avoid those attracted to dramas who have kids under the age of 16 ....... Problem solved !!

 Keefys
Joined: 6/12/2008
Msg: 190
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/27/2008 3:23:05 AM

The children come first..the feelings of single men are totally secondary in the greater scheme of things.and a man who is persistent upon being an accepted good person and all round good- guy should be treated with suspicion..
Words fail me. Anybody who has that level of paranoia should seek medical assistance in my view.

OK to avoid the rumors caused by the level of secrecy let's have the Megan's Law version and actually name them all publicly, same as Megan's Law does, together with their postcodes ;)
Why? So that the Daily Mail reading chavs who beat up pediatricians can go and sort them out?

OK, so let's see how this would work in practice... Postcodes cover many houses, whole sides of streets. Let's say that an ordinary married guy was caught with kiddie pictures on his PC and is on the register. He's a young guy, lives just down the road from me with his wife and kids and has the same postcode as me. But I live alone, I'm the only single middle aged guy in the street. When the witch hunt begins and the chavs go looking for him who do you think it will be gets a brick through the window?

I have nothing at all to hide, but as an ordinary single guy I live in very real fear of the hysteria that surrounds this issue and the mentality of the people who support these measures.
 AlmaM
Joined: 3/20/2008
Msg: 191
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/27/2008 4:35:35 AM
Postcodes cover many houses, whole sides of streets. Let's say that an ordinary married guy was caught with kiddie pictures on his PC and is on the register. He's a young guy, lives just down the road from me with his wife and kids and has the same postcode as me. But I live alone, I'm the only single middle aged guy in the street. When the witch hunt begins and the chavs go looking for him who do you think it will be gets a brick through the window?


I am not sure who is being paranoid here???

Megans Law shows photos and age of the offenders so it is a slim chance someone would:

a) mix you up with him
b) attack you actually

* unless he really looks very similar to you ..

And checking up PCs here and there is a good thing IMO.. you never know you might bump into Mr Roger who groomed couple of the 14 year old on myspace.. as these people should be made aware of the consequents of their actions ..
 SIrLordington
Joined: 9/20/2008
Msg: 192
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Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/27/2008 7:47:48 AM
Don't you see how bad Megans Law is? Sure you could look up and find the photo and name of an ex offender but then what? What exactly would you do about it?

My guess is fire and pitchforks. Maybe not you but, but once the mob mentality strikes the beer swilling meatheads they'll be lynch mobs roaming our streets.

This isn't the answer, better rehabilitation and monitoring of offenders is. It's funny how far ahead of its time the Brass Eye Special was.

Tonight.... PAEDOGEDDON.
 1LOVEJELLY
Joined: 9/7/2008
Msg: 193
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Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/27/2008 7:59:23 AM
Not all men that walk past a school are dangerous.
Not all men that visit a park are dangerous.
Not all men that offer to pick a child up off the floor are dangerous.

In fact, without men, their would be few children.

Since when have men become the catalsyt for all things evil.

If a single mum cannot trust her new man then surely she needs to sort this herself.

Why is it societys problem that she makes bad choices in the males in her life.

Whatever happen to personal responsiblity or is that now something solicitors have?
 Miss Grundy
Joined: 4/5/2008
Msg: 194
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/27/2008 8:18:00 PM


The children come first..the feelings of single men are totally secondary in the greater scheme of things.and a man who is persistent upon being an accepted good person and all round good- guy should be treated with suspicion..

Words fail me. Anybody who has that level of paranoia should seek medical assistance in my view.

..on a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate my level of paranoia then..based on the part of my post you quoted.

Are you another one of those good guys who seek to harm no-one, never have done and are unblemished ?
 AitchEm
Joined: 7/5/2008
Msg: 195
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/28/2008 2:20:03 PM

OK to avoid the rumors caused by the level of secrecy let's have the Megan's Law version and actually name them all publicly, same as Megan's Law does, together with their postcodes


This from yesterdays Telegraph:

Sex offenders can 'live' at bus stop, park bench or in tree

A legal loophole which allows homeless sex offenders to roam free - 'living' at a bus stop, park bench or in a tree - has been branded "astonishing" by a senior judge.

By Charlotte Bailey
Last Updated: 12:41PM BST 26 Sep 2008

A glitch in the Sex Offenders Register states that paedophiles and rapists with no fixed abode can register their address as a bus stop, park bench or tree.

This means that many offenders can go unchecked and sometimes disappear altogether.

Judge Anthony Scott-Gall discovered the loophole on hearing a case in which a man went missing for nearly three years after failing to sign the Sex Offenders Register.

Serial sex offender Darren Hellowell appeared in Lewes Crown Court for breaching the terms of a suspended prison sentence.

When Judge Scott-Gall asked how police kept a track of people who had no fixed address, prosecutor Barbara Down replied: "Apparently it is perfectly acceptable to sign the register with a particular bus stop or public bench as your home address."

To which the judge replied: "Goodness me. That's quite astonishing."

A leading sexual abuse charity is now demanding that the rules be tightened to keep a proper track of offenders.

Yvonne Traynor, chief executive of the Rape and Sexual Abuse Support Centre UK, branded the Sex Offenders Register "a sham".

She said: "This is an absolutely ludicrous state of affairs. The Sex Offenders Register is nothing more than a sham.

"The whole idea is to keep track of where these potentially dangerous people are living.

"But if they can record their addresses as ridiculous things like 'a tree', it makes a mockery of the whole system. Something a bit more sensible must be put in place to protect our society."

Mappa, the organisation responsible for the Sex Offenders Register, confirmed that such unconventional addresses could be used.

A spokeman said: "Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, registered sexual offenders must notify the police of their address or, if they are homeless, any place where they may be regularly found.

"The MAPPA authority monitors these cases to ensure that individuals can be regularly found at these locations. If they are not they will find themselves in breach of the Act and may be arrested and brought before court."


So, that'd work then...
 spiraldive
Joined: 3/3/2008
Msg: 196
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/28/2008 3:09:26 PM
Although I can see the reason for doing such checks, protecting the children etc etc .... yeah.. all good & well in this paranoid-society where people can nolonger look one another in the eye, smile or say hello when passing in the street.

Todays society seems to geared towards people who want to have as many children as they possibly can, no matter what, to a point of OBSESSION. I know I am generalising here & I do apologize for *generalizing*, but I make no apologies for my statement. This is a society that I do not succumb to.

It is another example of todays cotton wool culture society & interfering do-gooders making the single-male out to be the evil bad guy again.

There was a park (can't remember where), where the council workers were told, by some beaurocrat to approach guys who were on their own & ask them to give a good reason for being there on their own. How about, "I am enjoying a walkin the park - dummy!"

As a clean living, free thinking, rational thinking, non pervert, if anyone was to do a paedo-check on me I would walk out of the door in digsust.

If two guys came up to me when I was enjoying a summer stroll in the park & asking what I was doing & why, I would ask them if they were both "dogging" or "cottaging" together...
 Moron73 *Has A Photo*
Joined: 9/25/2008
Msg: 197
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/28/2008 3:29:18 PM

As a clean living, free thinking, rational thinking, non pervert, if anyone was to do a paedo-check on me I would walk out of the door in digsust.

That would make you look suspect. Damned if you do....
 AlmaM
Joined: 3/20/2008
Msg: 198
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Posted: 9/28/2008 3:41:50 PM

if anyone was to do a paedo-check on me I would walk out of the door in digsust.


Let me tell you something: I dated many guys and never thought of any of them as a possible peado..and it would take a really really big thing to happen for me to even think that..

But there was ONE guy.. very manipulative was my impression of him.. I will never forget the shine in his eyes when he saw my child for the first time and the way he approached him.. I do not notice these things but this time something felt wrong and it definitely did feel wrong..

This was not in UK and I was not interested in a relationship and he met my child by a pure chance.. but I could feel something wrong..

If I was with this guy I would first monitor him closely and I would think 100 times before I made a check but if I really felt necessary I WOULD make a check.
 rev_guilliano
Joined: 4/17/2008
Msg: 199
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/28/2008 11:19:50 PM
I still want to know how the people supporting this law will feel when a bloke they are friends with is killed because they met a single mum, didn't get on, she then tells a friend in the pub (lying) that she did a "Sarah's law" check and he was a convicted abuser. This conversation being overheard, or the lie bieng repeated, WILL lead to deaths of innocent men. There are a LOT of women (and men) out there who are malicious and vindictive like this (certainly more than there are child abusers).
 AlmaM
Joined: 3/20/2008
Msg: 200
Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/29/2008 6:10:27 AM

I still want to know how the people supporting this law will feel when a bloke they are friends with is killed because they met a single mum, didn't get on, she then tells a friend in the pub (lying) that she did a "Sarah's law" check and he was a convicted abuser. This conversation being overheard, or the lie bieng repeated, WILL lead to deaths of innocent men. There are a LOT of women (and men) out there who are malicious and vindictive like this (certainly more than there are child abusers).


This is as possible as an innocent child being killed because the mum did not know she was dating a child abuser.
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