| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/16/2008 8:58:05 PM | its my understanding ,that spirits chose the medium,not the other way around
as much as yeh it would be fantastic if they could part seas ext & some with ego issues may want to or think they can the bottom line is there only human
true mediums those police use to help in detecting missing people ext dont get to pick & chose there messages just what they do with them
to ask why doesn't 1person fix what a billion+have screwd up is kinda dumb though in reality the billion+ could do it if they got there shit together & stoped the bs & tried sharring
im sure we're all aware theres fakes playing head games as well as we know liars make good lawyers | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/17/2008 5:29:26 AM |
True mediums - that the police use to help with detecting missing people, et cetera - don't get to pick and choose their messages, just what they do with them.
Contrary to popular myth, the police do not use psychics in any investigations. They use proven scientific methods over the more obscure path of tracing ambiguous information provided by people's dreams or visions. In one-hundred percent of cases the police will not even accept this type of information from the public.
Why should non psychic try to save the world? Why shouldn't they ? The world is everyone's responsibility !
I wonder if Superman ever used that logic...
Citizen: Superman, there's a meteor heading for Earth! Why aren't you trying to stop it?!
Superman: Me? Why aren't you trying to stop it?!
If you (and I use that in the wider sense) claim to have powers that enable you to predict catastrophic events and the whereabouts of missing people, shouldn't you be at the forefront of intervention? No one else is claiming to have this gift so why would you shun responsibility in to the hands of the less able?
But of course all of this is systemic based on a hypothetical situation. Psychic ability is on the same plane as Bigfoot, ghost and alien sightings. Belief is passed along through word of mouth, false evidence and misplaced hope. If the results were as affluent as the number of claimers then this "ability" would have been harnessed by now and would play a discernible role in modern society. | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/17/2008 3:40:54 PM | | I really dont think you understand how the psychic thing works,that is where your lacking the insight... one thing is clear you have alot of hostility for the unjustice in the world. I recommend you place your energy into helping others as you have plenty. We all share the planet lets all work together to make a difference. Pay it forward. The average person could help by listening to the homeless, giving to charity, helping children with christmas gifts, helping the poor or whatever you feel drawn to. I feel we all have a responsibility to help the brotherhood of man, living life in peace is the goal... | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/17/2008 9:14:22 PM | ^^ Congratulations - you just contradicted yourself.
If psychics weren't able to do things that "normal" people can't do then why would the police use them? This makes them super human [and I like to believe that Superman is such an iconic character that he is able to be presented in any analogy regardless of the person's reading choices, thank you. And let's not forget that a comic book character recently stormed the box office and gave a great Australian his greatest and final role, so lets not shoot down a medium based on stereotypes].
But of course, the police don't use psychics. They may have used a psychic in a special case in the past but nowadays it would be stupid to even suggest such an idea. There are so many better methods of investigation to use than the half-formed statements of people with unfounded beliefs who call the police incessantly with descriptions of forest clearings and scary men that they obtained from a dream or a flash of inspiration. Police psychics (and military psychics, including "secret government agencies" if you like) will forever stay in the realm of fantasy fiction.
Back on course - I've seen programs and read reports where so called psychics claimed to have foreseen 9/11, yet no (visible) action was taken to prevent it. Clearly these people believed they had a special gift, so why then did they let their insight go unanswered?
The only logical answer is that they don't have any real power and are living in a world of self-disillusionment. The only other answer would be to suggest that these people are so apathetic that they would prefer to have these flashes of knowledge in the background of their lives than bring them to the forefront and use them to give advice in ignorant situations. Or that the majority are frauds and have made it impossible for the real articles to be taken seriously - not a hard hypothesis to believe when dealing with a subject that no one seems able to support with clear evidence.
Finally, these hostile responses are of the same composition I would expect to receive if I were arguing with alien conspiracy theorists. You are having your belief structure attacked and are replying with personal insults and misguided facts because you have no real evidence to use in your support.
Check the heading of this thread: I am a cynic. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - as they say - so, until you or someone else can provide such irrefutable evidence towards your belief, I will stay a cynic and we will have to agree to disagree - as adults hopefully. | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/18/2008 4:15:26 AM | I wouldn't class myself as a cynic, rather a skeptic. A cynic is a term derived from philosophy - the cynics were philosophers belonging to a movement that eschewed ordinary codes of social morality and etiquette in favour of a simpler form of life less concerned with the preoccupations that seem to drive the rest of humanity, including greed, ambition, lust, and pride. In this respect they shared much with other philosophical schools and religions of their era.
A skeptic on the other hand, was a member of the philosophical school that suspended judgement on beliefs where the evidence and the arguments could neither conclusively justify or demonstrate the wrongness of the belief in question. Skeptical schools developed an interesting and elaborate logical methodology for examining beliefs critically from an analytical viewpoint.
David Hume was a modern skeptic. He made a number of interesting arguments in relation to various beliefs, but the gist of Hume's philosophy is that we should not credulously believe extraordinary claims about any matter, and on the balance of probabilities, it is more likely the claim is wrong or arises from a mistaken belief or delusion than for it to be true.
A modern skeptic then, following and adapting Hume's philosophy to take into account the progress of science, would examine any claim for extraordinary phenomena or abilities with some care, keeping in mind it is more likely a claim is likely to be wrong than correct or true. In relation to the alleged abilities of people to see the future, solve crimes using precognitive abilities, or contact the dead, or to claim to have other paranormal abilities, one needs to keep in mind the human mind has a number of psychological attributes (such as confirmation bias) that can make it easier to find such beliefs 'true' rather than false.
My basic view is that psychic or clairvoyant abilities have not been demonstrated to exist. Given that psychologists have been studying the human mind very intensely now for about 150 years, and in recent decades there has been remarkable progress in our understanding of how the brain and nervous system work, some proof at least of the existence of such abilities should have shown up. If such an ability is as common (even only among say, 1% of the population) in humanity, it should really have stood out. Researchers would be pouring many millions of dollars into research to understand how such cognitive abilities arose from the activity of the brain. Keep in mind the mental illness of schitzophrenia is prevalent among only about 1% of the population, but is very well noticed. The same would exist if these abilities were real.
The conclusion I reach then on the balance of probabilities is that claims of psychic abilities involve a mix of faith, at least in some sincere people who believe they have the abilities themselves, or have faith in others having this ability, clever showmanship similar to that used by magicians, personal charisma, and a willingness on the part of many desperate and vulnerable people to believe. This is especially so where so called 'psychic detectives' are involved who 'solve' crimes which the police allegedly cannot solve, those who claim to be able to speak to departed spirits and also those who prey on the usual human anxiety about common matters such as money, work, or relationships.
I don't think psychics or clairyvoyants pose a threat some of the harsher rationalists and skeptics claim they do to society. I think they fill an important emotional and psychological need that exists in some people, primarily relating to reassurance and reduction in levels of anxiety. If anyone pays for their services, well, caveat emptor.
I only have a problem when a person claiming to have such abilities starts to try and ground it in science or a misunderstanding of science. Many extravagant claims are made about the powers of the human mind and the connection it has to quantum mechanics for example. Then I think such claims should be thoroughly refuted.
I see this as different from the religious quest for a transcendant dimension and meaning to life. This in my view, is perfectly legitimate. | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/18/2008 7:41:32 AM | Joseph McMoneagle, a man whose abilities are renowned according to his own beliefs.
If you scroll down on that Wikipedia article you'll find an experiment conducted by the National Geographic Channel which he fails completely.
And yes, like Project Star Gate there have been other psychic trials conducted by sections of the government, but these were all in the past and achieved little to no results.
As I was saying, nowadays you will not find the police using psychics [the original claim, I believe]. The police have worked hard (and constantly do work hard) to develop extensive investigative methods and no longer require the obscure information of self-described psychics to use as a last resort plan. Whether they ever did, I really can't be bothered to research. I know that there are certainly claims that they did in the past and perhaps these claims are true. But psychics are known exaggerators and what isn't known is the amount of psychics used who achieved no results and pointed the police in the entirely wrong direction - whether they even existed at all.
For the record, this information is not "misinformed". It comes from the police directly, who swear that no psychics are used by their organisation. And I hope to God that they have some idea of how their operations are run.
As for the whole Superman debate: you are still contradicting yourself. Supermen are people able to perform feats that ordinary people cannot - such as Joseph McMoneagle claims to achieve. You will find many ordinary psychics in comic books and fantasy fiction who save lives by finding abducted children and predicting murders and cataclysmic events. The original argument was that these people should make use of their gifts - if they actually have them - and save lives from dangers that they could help extinguish or prevent. Sure, anyone could "make a difference" to the world but only so-called psychics could stop planes flying in to buildings and tsunami's wiping out countries. | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/18/2008 3:00:41 PM | | What you said about preventing accidents, diasters and such. I really dont think having knowledge ahead of time prevents things from happening. Alot of times I might get a vision of something but then I dont have a date or time, and the place isnt something I recognise. So scaring folks isnt the way to go, its playing God. I did have a missing persons website for about 2 yrs and we did located some missing persons in the united states and even had information on those missing school girls in the UK. The whole issue with that is most of the time I end up seeing horrific things, then I cannot sleep. It makes me sick, seeing folks dying in very violent ways and when we did find the bodies the majority of them were dead. Is that good for closure for the family? I asked myself that as well. Would I want to know how my innocent child died and how they suffered?? I came to the conclusion that I couldnt keep doing that type of work for my own peaceful state of mind. I do readings now that are positive and try to show folks the possibilities of their lives and to find the love within themselves. Sometimes the harsh realities of life are better off not sensationalized. | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/19/2008 12:38:58 AM | disclaimer...... i do not consider myself a pyschic etc...
i do believe in differ conciousness... ie a 5 year old can articulate different experiences/conciousness to say ......how a a 20 year old..
if youare not concious of certain information/knoweledge then you cannot see it nor understand it... or be tuned into it...
for eg ...trying to explain tv to someone whos never seen it....dosent understand the technology...etc... its hard for them to grasp....
experience... plays a part.....
different levels of awareness?..... yes id agree.
ok so im not giving any pyschic predictions here.... so of course donot believe them in anyway...here goes for next 3 years.....
money will be tightened...issues around money youve fought ... that your not happy about in the recent past... will change.... ie im saying your emotions around these issues...will change...
there is much paperwork to sort out in finances...things you normally put off.
but its a good time to sort them out...
you will find yourself accepting ... where your at ....might have to do for awhile.. maybe a few years.....
or you will make the move now...
knowing you will get stuck where your at ..if your not happy where your at.... why are you putting it off?
5 years...long term for where your at....(ie. in permant situations you feel you are in)
so youll either move on or accept the dissapoints of where you are...
youll find the people you know... or have an opinion about... will change... youll get glimpses of attitudes or character . you didnt know were under their persona.... ie a persons persona... and their actual character will be exposed... for the next 4 years....
there will be much talk about peace..... willingness for peace.. if this opportunity arises in your personal life... then accept that olive branch...
but there will be much talk about peace in the world/globally..
more troops will still die next year .......... globally... (in war wont totally disappear)... but more troops will..be........... enlisted for peace keeping missions..
watch global media...
for peace keeping..
peace talks..
in georgia.....
other regions.
watch the continent of africa... where troops will move more from the middle east... to africa regions.....(they will be in both regions and georgia)
finances.... the stockmarket has or will go level..... might advance ... then will drop.. (or we just had that)... new index point/bench 3,500.. so up or below that... (it used to be over 6,000)... i wouldnt invest in stock market for at least 2 years.... yes people will come in buy/sell. keep it floating and make money.. but if your long term... no... if youve suffered paper losses then they will return but will take years...
housing will go down... so refer above... accept where you live, and enjoy it... or try and sell at the price you want now......(if you cant get that price.. then accept youll be there years) find out if you want that price... then maybe 5 years... to sell.
though housing will go down .. 2 years.....youll see some impact///of down..
cut spending...there will be a recession.. but you wont see that starting/seriously talking about until after say april... after april you will start to see some glooom reports...
so.. save as much as you can... because money will not go as far...
get out of personal debt...
get your house in order
all things will price rise... so accept that and be prepared...ie save 3 months now... of usual budget/repayments...
there will be more suicides/heart attacks in 2009,, and loss of whole families...ie you might hear all family members died except for 1 0r 2 members...
there will be more water accidents/incidents....ie boats/ships/navy... drownings...
globally... things occurring around water....
health... for 2009... people will become more concious of the food their eating/where it comes from... contamination etc... globally... need to exercise... get fit./..
their will be talk in usa schools for eg for better food.people will be encouraged to take more personal responsibilty for their health.. realising they cannot rely on govt to the extent they have in the past......support for their health.... more seperating from govt health.. and personal health... more reliance on self..
get on lists or get tests if you need them because waiting lists will get longer...(because .. those who feel they cant help themselves.. will also broaden... seeking more govt help....ie depression... anxiety etc will broaden..)
but things like hip replacements/operations.. etc.. those lists will get longer..
more deaths.. globally.. more famines... more diseases...
water will be more contaminated..
more poverty...(although you will see help trying to be given to africa) much activity...
after much peace talks... some will break down... watch russia.....
iran...
donot be anywhere in the world you wouldnt want to be stuck in... people will get stuck in places they only planned to visit for a shortwhile... but due to circumstances.... couldnt leave... when planned
acceptance in 2009 is the key word..
hows that.. theres a totally non pyschic prediction for 2009..2010...2011
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/19/2008 1:33:57 AM | ohhh capitailsm took a dent in 2008 leaving room for changes.. such as socialism on limited scales sharing with capitailsm..... in 2009 you will see more global aggreements/cementing more global......... than individual..... in countries .....in financial markets/sectors....globally... more consolidated.... youll also see in the rebuilding of the system more socialism.... it will become apparent..
peace | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/19/2008 6:11:24 AM | Excellent soulmate that is scarily accurate for a non psychic i think you got that spot on
well said 
I predict that at least half the people here wont get a date including myself aha | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/19/2008 11:52:29 AM | Re: solomon999
Yes, you are right. The military and police all around the world use psychics as a normal part of day to day life. I was entirely wrong and apologise for denying their use in governmental sections.
I was also wrong in suggesting that psychics are “supermen”. It’s been made clear to me that they have the same level of responsibility towards the world as “regular” people regardless of their born skill to harness information unavailable to those born without this ability.
I was entirely misinformed and apologise sincerely for my apparent stupidity. Thank you for correcting me. | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/19/2008 3:22:27 PM |
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I've seen tests where trained people (not for the specific purpose of the tests) and even female fasion models beat male geniuses (genius being based on IQ) in the same tests quite easily.
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I'd prefer a smart dog (German Shepherd preferably) as a companion as opposed to a dumb genius.
You prefer animals to humans, is this the right site for you?
i have a small psychic thing going,, solomon and another poster here in this thread with a lot of similarities , seem to be very similar in their writing ,, could they be the same poster?????? | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/20/2008 7:12:08 AM | I agree with the above...ha
Alot of folks only use the mind and whats logical which really limits there life. We are 3 fold human beings with body, mind and spirit. To acheive maximum balance in life and live to your true potential you need to use all 3. | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/20/2008 7:43:22 PM | I am a firm believer, however there are fakes out there.
My Nanna read tarot cards and was spot on. I forgot all about it till My daughter was born. Nan predicted I would have 4 kids but we stopped at 3. Years later I wanted a daughter and did all I could to have one. There are many little tricks to kill off the boy spermies.
I remember seeing the death card after she said a few other things. I thought the death card was mine till she said "dont worry about that" and continued. I then assumed it was her death card, which would be daunting to her but told her she had many years left. It was only when My break up was finally at a point that I knew I would never go back that I realised it was the death of our marraige. No wonder she didn't want me to know. I would have probably never gotten married if I was told that.
My ex used a phone hotline with our names when we were in a bad way, she was sent back "stop trying to control everything, just relax and enjoy your lover". Not being what she wanted to hear (refusal to accept she is a control freak) she ignored it and wrote it off as garbage. I dont know if the sender was psychic or lucky but the shoe fit perfectly.
My ex had ability but was not able to control it. She dreamed of having our daughter standing up in the rain. Our daughter was given birth to standing up in a shower. The shower was a new concept at the time for hard births as it took a lot of the pain away with temperature change and the feeling of water running across her belly.
I am now waiting and looking for the last part of Nan's predictions, where after the trouble she warned I would go through, I would find "something new"and be happy till I died. | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/20/2008 7:59:21 PM |
I prefer animals to some humans. At least they're not hypocrits.
oh your pyshic you can read their minds? LOL
I can absolutely assure you I am not registered on this site as any other member. Seems you definately have no psychic or ESP abilities.
Err yes i did make that point at the beginning, | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/20/2008 10:50:46 PM | Re msg 148…
A lot of folks only use the mind and what’s logical which really limits there life. We are 3 fold human beings with body, mind and spirit. To achieve maximum balance in life and live to your true potential you need to use all 3.
Can I suggest that once you are able to achieve that balance you can see beyond the sixth sense…that there is more and just like Christopher Columbus had to prove the earth was NOT flat…we’re just awaiting or science (logic) to be proved to non believers that those extra sensory senses are understood?
It is a proven fact that you can use your mind over body…all those people who were told they would never walk/talk or live etc by medical science can prove the doctor’s wrong….that the gift of prayer (not necessarily belief in God, but in human kind)…how many of us during the Thredbo and/or Tasmanian mining disaster wished for life?….
Ancient history shows man believing the wind was a god, we know now due to scientific fact that it is an element of nature…we as humans still have a long way to evolve and understand what is not “proven.”
I am a believer in the unproven/illogical and/or unseen.
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/21/2008 1:20:16 AM | ^^ Absolutely. I couldn't agree more with what you've said!
Although, no one credible in history has ever believed that the Earth is flat. And I'm sure you were using "Sixth Sense" as a term of reference as we're all intelligent people here and are aware that there are between fourteen and twenty human senses, depending on your classification of what constitutes a human sense - but this only reaffirms the argument that there are still aspects of people left to understand.
Also - and I'm sorry if this sounds negative towards your post - there are still people in the world who believe that the wind is God, regardless of scientific evidence. They believe that God is everything and by correlation God is the wind - that would be part of your wonderful closing statement on belief. Science will constantly evolve and be able to understand the universe in greater context, but proof is questionable and fallible. The "proof" that science has already obtained through scientific method that states psychic ability is yet to be proven true (because it can never be proven false while the human mind is still being explored) could easily be an error of misjudgement on science's part. What do these people and their scientific method actually know? Perhaps circumstance is a necessary part of the psychic world's equation: when you are proved incorrect in psychic testing, the circumstances were wrong. And when you generate some level of results, the circumstances were right. Why is that so hard for people (and by "people" I mean those lacking in faith) to grasp this concept?
Your example of the Thredbo and Tasmanian mining disasters proves what I've just said beyond a shadow of a doubt. With so many people praying for life and the safety of these men, how could it not have helped?! Science would probably argue with how many people there were not praying for a happy result, and that the situation could have only really gone two ways, but these people are shallow minded and lack the intelligence to "believe".
As I was saying - God bless you and your wonderful addition to this thread. You are truly a gifted person and I hope you will accept me as a fellow believer of the unproven/illogical and/or unseen. | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/21/2008 5:30:11 AM | Dear Curious,
I liked what you said here about psychics. One thing that Id like to point out is part of the emotional intelligence if there is such a thing could be classified as an empath. This is the state of emotions in which you take on or sense in others. For me it includes smells, and sounds and tingles, not just sight. There is more to us then simply putting things into classifications. I found that I didnt like the label being psychic at all at first or even seer b/c I wasnt entirely sure what my gifts entailed. Sight is only a small portion. | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/21/2008 5:59:22 AM | today a friend called immediately after a session with a clairvoyantto , she said she was so nervous and had to call someone.
what did the clairvoyant told her
that she was married twice
had 2 children from first marriage and 2 from this marriage
that her husband was seeing seeing few women
she described her husband's previous job and present job and his personality
her husband was hiding huge amount of money from her
about her mother's illness
described her house to her
and so many other things that no one would have known about.
How much she charged her??? anything she would like to pay even just a packet of cigarette.
Guess who is going to visit her next??? | |
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Posted: 11/21/2008 6:18:06 AM | quote]Whether they ever did, I really can't be bothered to research. I know that there are certainly claims that they did in the past and perhaps these claims are true
Your posts consist of some very strong words and a very strong judgement and labelling yet your freely admit you cant be bothered researching the opposite.
I think this quote of yours aptly describes that phenonoma .
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but these people are shallow minded
If you did research you'll find some years ago in America it got out that a law enforcement agency after traditional methods were exhausted turned to a medium, the medium provided a line of thinking and investigated it with what they already knew, it lead to closure of a case, many many sheriff and state police departments run with that in the hope of closing more cases, they were to ignorant to realise just what they were doing and all these half baked self confessed psychics fronted law enforcement agencies to achieve money and notoriety, once it was realised they'd just invited con men/women and unscrupulous wannabe's the mad craze to involve mediums died rather slowly, unfortunately those to ignorant to scientifically evaluate what transpired only use the stories of the con men/women outed and dont wish to evaluate the whole issue.
If anyone would be bothered to investigate its quite easy to find that "mediums' "psychics" 'witches" started science, were the first scientists centuries ago | |
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| Psychics/Clairvoyants ~ cynic or believer??
Posted: 11/21/2008 4:59:51 PM | Solomon the evidence you speak of is anecdotal in nature, if there was anything concrete (something that can be reproduced under controlled conditions), I'm sure someone would have pointed me to it by now. Understand that I have no motivation to *not* believe in psychic ability, as if the phenomena were real, it would make for fascinating study.
Anyone who has done a ANY study on this at all will tell you that these people are very real and have been recorded throughout history, except for the crooks ofcourse.
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Do some living, do some finding out! Some people think they know who've never been outside the door.
I feel this is a dishonest representation of reality. If someone has studied this topic and found the evidence wanting, they are only coming to the conclusions that any rational person would come to. Fine you have had personal experiences, but for those who haven't, you cannot expect them to rely on the testimony of others. These things cannot be verified, otherwise they would have become scientific fact. If I based my decision on personal accounts, I would believe in UFO abductions, ghosts, the Yeti and all manner of things that are, on the whole, unlikely.
There are countless things that science has been skeptical of throughout history, it doesn't prevent the truth from being ultimately revealed.
Precognition is the only area of psi I actively deny (as opposed to a simple lack of evidence). The notion of precognition just has so many practical issues, I don't see any way it is possible. It raises impossible scenarios, not unlike the grandfather paradox. Someone who claims to see the future, can then use that knowledge to change the future. In hindsight we observe the person did not see the future at all. Why wasn't the alternate future seen instead?
Some people claim we all possess this insight to varying levels (we just haven't tapped into it). Can you imagine a world where we could all predict the future? We would be continually adjusting the future before it happens, to such an extent it would become meaningless to foresee the 'original' future. Can you see why precognition would break down in such a scenario?
The other thing with precognition is the potential for abuse. As sure as the sun rises in the morning, someone who had such an ability would use it for personal gain. I'm quite sure this alone would be enough to ensure publicity of the phenomena. | |
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Posted: 11/26/2008 12:21:56 PM | ive seen 3 psychics over the years and been impressed with 1,mildly so with the others, then yesterday i saw someone, and she has really rocked me.
lots of stuff that only goes on in my head, i mean detailed stuff, but then she talked about someone, and it was a warning , to try to help them, and she is right- all that she said is so correct, and the very complex person she described is someone ive been worrid about for a while....all she started with was my 1st name | |
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