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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/1/2008 3:57:50 PM | There is a link to youtube below. I hope you watch it as soon as possible, as some are trying to pull it off youtube. Be sure to watch it all the way to the end.
It is an excerpt from Fox News, Wednesday, September 24. The show is "Special Report with Brit Hume" and it includes actual clips of the hearings about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Consider this my reference.
This is important information to know when we are facing a rough time ahead and electing a new administration that will determine a lot about how we weather the difficulties facing our world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/1/2008 4:16:33 PM | | I can't believe Obama and McCain are going to both vote yes on this new bill. If this doesn't work out, neither one of these two will last more then 4 years in office. | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/1/2008 4:28:42 PM | Nobody's voting for this because they want to. There's a crisis now and pretty much everyone feels that it's time to hold their noses and vote yea.
The congressmen who initially voted no can go back and campaign with that vote. The voters are angry, but the alternative could be catastrophe. Hell, it's only $700 billion; they've already spent $900 billion so far this year to prop up the financial system. | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/1/2008 4:44:10 PM | | I dont see we have much of a choice in the matter. Its a dirty job, but someone has to do it. | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/1/2008 7:14:56 PM | Cost of the PORK added to the bailout bill which passed in the Senate as enticement to the House Republicans --- $100 BILLION.
If the House now approves it, those House Republicans should be thrown out of office. | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/1/2008 8:11:02 PM |
The voters are angry, but the alternative could be catastrophe. Hell, it's only $700 billion; they've already spent $900 billion so far this year to prop up the financial system.
Once again the American taxpayers get bent over (over the fear of assumptions) and you can bet there's more of it to come. Doesn't appear to me that this is legal NOR constitutional. Federal Reserve Banks are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the US. for the benefit of themselves and their foreign and domestic swindlers, and rich and predatory money lenders. They are NOT government institutions.
Once again the people have been ignored and a list of 200 + leading American economists who were opposed to this bail-out (with good reason) was completely ignored. Why is that?
What good is the FDIC raising the insurance levels to $250,000 when people have no jobs and are homeless? Can we have the billionaires who are so worried about protecting wall street, bail wall street out instead? Who in their right mind bets on a pony with a broken leg? Everyone knows given therapy, the pony still ends up being put down.
I would hate to think that given the timing of this bursted bubble, we forget: “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned that way”. - Franklin D. Roosevelt
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/1/2008 9:29:32 PM | "What good is the FDIC raising the insurance levels to $250,000 when people have no jobs and are homeless?"
Help me understand. i do think I am mainstreet. I don't make anywhere near $250,000. I live in a mobilehome and my sober home is my charity that doesn't pay for itself. It has dropped in value by 25% and I still have to pay the mortgage on the original price. Kiss that money bye bye. I won't default on my loan, but I am not going to get to retire when I thought, either.
My IRA, 401k and annuity that I have taken years to build cause I was told not to count on SSN being there are now going down the tubes fast. None were in risky things. All were low risk long-term over a decade preparation to retire... which had already been pushed out another 5 years cause SSN did move to an older age.
So, how many more people are like me? I'm not a greedy wall street type... but I am being financially ruined and at 60 I can now kiss retiring good bye for an indefinite period of time. Do I really deserve the consequences of deregulation and free market greed? | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/1/2008 9:35:30 PM |
So, how many more people are like me? I'm not a greedy wall street type... but I am being financially ruined and at 60 I can now kiss retiring good bye for an indefinite period of time. Do I really deserve the consequences of deregulation and free market greed?
The point of the 250,000 is for small businesses that have to meet a payroll, make payments, order stock, etc. Apparently, it is thought that 100,000 (which was set decades ago) just wasn't enough. | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/1/2008 9:48:27 PM | For those who could use a laugh to interrupt the tears, this crossed my email today:
"If you had purchased $1,000 of United Airlines parent UAL stock one year ago, you would have $200 left.
With Fannie Mae, you would have $2.50 left of the original $1,000. With AIG, you would have less than $15 left.
But, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drunk all of the beer, then turned in the cans for the aluminum recycling REFUND, you would have $214 cash. Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle." | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/1/2008 11:12:41 PM | I can’t begin to express my utter disgust. But what else should we have expected from a bunch of privileged wealthy people who call themselves “Senator”?!?
The Senate has sold out the American public. I would like to see every one of them that voted “aye” locked in a stockade on The National Mall. (Or as this country seems hell-belt on following the same path that ended the Roman Empire, maybe we should crucify them and line them up on Pennsylvania Avenue from the Capitol to the White House?)
To rush this bill through Congress is a complete travesty. Yes, the economy needs help, but bailing out the bankers and financiers who placed us here is wrong. To not severely penalize those who profited from this disaster is wrong. To not address the lax accounting procedures that placed us here is wrong. To make the average worker shoulder the burden is wrong. Congress should have taken the time to create a viable, fair, and workable plan.
(And since a few fishies commented, raising the FDIC limit to $250k was just another ruse. How many citizens even have $100k in any single bank account? And any small business should have multiple accounts, so again, bumping the limit is laughable. But… oh… wait… the joke is on us!)
Come November 4th, I urge everyone to vote against his or her Senator or Congressman who voted for this bailout bill and is seeking re-election. And now, the same for Senators McCain, Obama, and Biden. None of these people deserve your vote or mine! They have betrayed us and sold out America! Our debt may yet exceed our Gross Domestic Product!!!!!  | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/2/2008 12:20:50 AM | ^^Add Senator Hillary Clinton to that list, How did I get here.
I'm going to attempt to wade through the bill and try and figure out what these people have in store for us next. (sigh) | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/2/2008 10:21:08 AM |
"What good is the FDIC raising the insurance levels to $250,000 when people have no jobs and are homeless?"
I'm guessing it might help prevent a run on the banks. Homeless people don't have over $100,000 in the bank, but many who have saved for their own retirement do. | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/2/2008 11:58:24 AM | This appeared in Sunday, 9/28 editionof the St Pete Times and was written by Robert Trigaux. For brevity, here's just the five reasons 5 REASONS WE'RE IN THIS FIX "The mortgages were sold in bundled pools as securities ,to investors groups worldwide. "But what hasn't been properly examined is: Who put the "Goodhousekeeping" seals of approvals-who stamped a AAA credit rating-on these obviously tainted mortgages? Two big players in this more obscure part of the meltdown are the Moody's and Standard & Poor's credit rating companies. Without those AAA ratings, insurance companies and pension funds wouldn't have bought the products.Ratings chicanery is the biggest contributor to today's ills that's received the least amount of critical coverage."
"It was the perfect 2001 wedding: A brand new Bush White House determined to let the free market blossom joined with a Wall Street machine poised to tap new sources of wealth worldwide, courtesy of the new globalization boom." The formula was perfect for revving up global sales of packaged US mortgages-the more, the better to meet demand and earn Wall Street big fees. Fortunately, at the start at least, our housing prices took off, sparked by ever-lower interest rates and the proliferation of new mortgages-"pulse" loans beacuse anyone with one qualified-that required no money down and little or no proof of ability to pay. Remember when Bush touted his "ownership" society? That included housing." "Freemoney. When you lower interest rates close to zero, borrowing money becomes almost free. That's the flaw of Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan's years. He complained about "irrational exuberance" but apparently failed to grasp he was feeding the frenzy with interest rates so low that nearly anyone wanting a house could become, briefly at least, a homeowner or, more likely, a speculator. It all fed the spike in home prices and the bubble that has now popped so loudly." "Us. Do you remember the get-rich atmosphere right after the Tech Bubble popped in 2000-2001? People fled the stock market in search of the new, new thing to invest in for the next big return. Viva the housing market! Folks with outlandish expectations were already primed to act." "A watchdog media was about as effective as a three-legged chihuahua. When we warned things were too hot as home prices soared, the realestate industry complained we were killing the golden goose. When we've since documented the dramatic price declines, the real estate industry complains we are flogging an already cooked goose. Either way, the press did a sorry job of explaining what was happening." | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/2/2008 12:10:52 PM | "It was the perfect 2001 wedding: A brand new Bush White House determined to let the free market blossom joined with a Wall Street machine poised to tap new sources of wealth worldwide, courtesy of the new globalization boom." The formula was perfect for revving up global sales of packaged US mortgages-the more, the better to meet demand and earn Wall Street big fees. Fortunately, at the start at least, our housing prices took off, sparked by ever-lower interest rates and the proliferation of new mortgages-"pulse" loans beacuse anyone with one qualified-that required no money down and little or no proof of ability to pay. Remember when Bush touted his "ownership" society? That included housing."
Way oversimplified. This started way before Bush was in office, and democrats have their fingerprints all over it. Look who opposed tighter oversight of Fannie and Freddie - Dodd, Waters, Frank, and more. And we had Franklin Raines saying there's no risk in residential mortgages.
And where are Franklin Raines, Tim Howard, and Jim Johnson, who drove Freddie and Fannie into the ground? Why, they're working for Barack Obama!
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/2/2008 2:33:04 PM | Wooden arrows? NASCAR?
It $700 Billion is good why don't we do $1.5 trillion? It has to be better.
There are 451 pages in the BAILOUT.......
Isn't that the Temperature paper burns at? Fahrenheit 451?
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Rescue Plan Hits Bull's-Eye for Kids' Arrow-Makers (Update2)
By Ryan J. Donmoyer
Oct. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Rose City Archery Inc., an Oregon company that makes arrows used by children, hit a bull's-eye with the Senate's approval of a measure that would rescue Wall Street banks.
A provision repealing a 39-cent excise tax on wooden arrows designed for children was attached to an historic $700 billion financial-markets rescue that passed last night by a vote of 74- 25. The provision, reported earlier on the Web site Dealbreaker, was originally proposed by Oregon senators Ron Wyden and Gordon Smith. It will save manufacturers such as Rose City Archery in Myrtle Point, Oregon, about $200,000 a year.
It's one of dozens of tax breaks benefiting Hollywood producers, stock-car racetrack owners and Virgin Islands rum- makers included in the broader legislation in an effort to win support from House Republicans, whose defection contributed to a rejection of an earlier version of the legislation earlier this week on a 228-205 vote.
``This is how Washington works,'' said Keith Ashdown, chief investigator at Taxpayers for Common Sense, a Washington research group. ``A big pot of pork is their recipe for final passage.''
Representatives for Wyden, a Democrat, and Smith, a Republican, didn't immediately return calls seeking comment. Wyden voted against the bailout measure last night and Smith voted for it. Jerry Dishion, president of Rose City Archery, was in meetings and unavailable to comment, a receptionist at the company said.
`Extenders'
Most of the provisions are part of a package of measures known as ``extenders'' because they are renewed for only a few years at a time.
Popular with lawmakers, the provisions include a research tax credit worth about $8.3 billion a year for companies such as Microsoft Corp. and Harley-Davidson Inc., and subsidies for the overseas financial services earnings of U.S.-based multinational corporations such as General Electric Co. and Citigroup Inc.
The tax package also would spare 24 million American households from a scheduled increase in the alternative minimum tax amounting to $62 billion this year and renew about $17 billion of incentives to promote energy production from renewable sources such as solar and wind.
Nascar Tracks
Other, smaller provisions, such as one that will save Nascar track builders $109 million this year, have been staples of the tax code since 2004 or earlier. They periodically expire and are renewed, and include hundreds of millions of dollars of tax incentives for companies that invest on Indian reservations, in the District of Columbia, and American Samoa. Other breaks would subsidize renovations of restaurant franchises and cut import duties on wool and wood.
Several others are new provisions, including two tax breaks worth $478 million over the next decade for movie and television producers who shoot films in the United States. The legislation would allow filmmakers to qualify for a 3 percentage-point reduction from the 35 percent top tax rate approved in 2004 for domestic manufacturers.
The package also renews a $33 million break for companies that invest in American Samoa, a benefit targeted at tuna canners such as Del Monte Foods Co., which owns the Star-Kist tuna brand, and is based in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco district.
Boy Scout Arrows
The arrows provision seeks to reverse an anomaly in a 2004 law that created the 39 cent excise tax on the weapons. Intended for more expensive arrows, the tax also applies to arrows used by Boy Scouts and other youth organizations that cost about 30 cents a piece. Ten manufacturers in nine U.S. states stand to benefit from the change, according to a description of the legislation from Wyden's office.
Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner, said the inclusion of the tax breaks ``will increase the appeal of the package for our members.''
The Congressional Budget Office said yesterday the tax provisions will add about $112 billion to budget deficits over the next five years because the legislation doesn't contain enough offsetting revenue increases to keep the budget balanced.
The biggest revenue-raising provision in the bill would cost managers of hedge funds about $25 billion over the next decade by prohibiting an accounting technique they currently use to defer for as long as 10 years U.S. taxes on their income earned in foreign countries, usually tax havens such as the Cayman Islands.
To contact the reporters on this story: Ryan J. Donmoyer in Washington at rdonmoyer@bloomberg.net
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/2/2008 3:32:07 PM | Okay, generally I hate long articles posted. But this one may have changed my mind. I accepted what people smarter and better informed than me were saying about this crisis and the need for the bail out.
Now I'm not so sure:
The Monster Returns By John H. Cochrane A Guest Post
Like a monster from an old horror movie, the Treasury plan keeps coming back from the dead. Yes, we are in a financial crisis that needs urgent, determined, and clear-eyed help from the government. But this plan is fundamentally flawed. It won’t even work if we leave aside its horrendous cost and long-lasting damage to the financial system. The additions and sweeteners in the Senate version, and those on the table in the house, make it even less likely to work. A workable plan has to be based on fundamentally different principles: recapitalizing banks that are in trouble, including allowing orderly failures, and providing liquidity to short-term credit markets. These are not new and untested ideas; these are the tools that governments have used for 100 years to get through financial turmoil. However, they have to be used in forceful and decisive ways that will step on a lot of powerful toes. The Problem The heart of the problem now, as best as anyone I know can understand it (we are all remarkably long on stories and remarkably short on numbers), is that many banks hold a lot of mortgages and mortgage-backed securities whose values have fallen below the value of money the banks have borrowed. The banks are, by that measure, insolvent. Credit market problems are a symptom of this underlying problem. Nobody really knows which banks are in trouble and how badly, nor when these troubles will lead to a sudden failure. Obviously, they don’t want to lend more money. A credit crunch is the danger for the economy from this situation. Banks need capital to operate. In order to borrow another dollar and make a new loan, a bank needs an extra, say, 10 cents of its own money (capital) — so that if the loan declines in value by 10 cents, the bank can still pay back the dollar it borrowed. If a bank doesn’t have enough capital — because declines in asset values wiped out the 10 cents from the last loan — it can’t make new loans, even to credit-worthy customers. If all banks are in this position (a much less likely event), we have a credit crunch. People want to save and earn interest; other people want to borrow to finance houses and businesses; but the banking system is not able to do its match-maker job.
Solving the Problem O.K., if this is the problem, then banks need more capital. Then the people, computers, buildings, knowledge, and so forth that represent the real businesses can borrow money again and start lending it out. The core of any plan must be to recapitalize the banking system. How? Issue stock — either in offerings, in big chunks as Goldman Sachs famously did with Warren Buffett last week, or by merging or selling the whole company. There are trillions of dollars of investment capital floating around the world, happy to buy banks so long as the price is good enough. Banks don’t want to issue stock because it seems to dilute current stockholders, and it might “send bad signals.” Lots of sensible proposals amount to twisting their arms to do so. In many previous “bailouts,” the government added small (relative to $700 billion!) sweeteners to get deals like this to work. Let banks fail, but in an orderly fashion. When a bank “fails,” it does not leave a huge crater in the ground. The people, knowledge, computers, buildings, and so forth are sold to new owners — who provide new capital — and business goes on as usual; a new sign goes in the window, new capital comes in the back door, and new loans go out the front door. Current shareholders are wiped out, and some of the senior debt holders don’t get all their money back. They complain loudly to Congress and the administration — nobody likes losing money — but their losses do not imperil the financial system. They earned great returns on the way up in return for bearing this risk; now they get to bear the risk. We saw this process in action last week. On Monday, we heard many predictions that the financial system would implode in a matter of days. At the end of the week, JPMorgan took over Washington Mutual. Depositors and loan customers didn’t even notice. As someone who argued publicly against the Treasury plan on Monday, I felt vindicated. This process does need government intervention; “in an orderly fashion” is an important qualifier. Our bankruptcy system is not well set up to handle complex financial institutions with lots of short-term debt and with complex derivative and swap transactions overhanging. Until that gets fixed, we have to muddle through. An important long-run project will be to redesign bankruptcy; delineate which classes of creditors get protected (depositors, brokerage customers, some kinds of short-term creditors) and how much regulation that protection implies; and design a system in which shareholders and debt holders can lose the money they put at risk without creating systemic risk. But not now. What is simple to describe economically — wipe out shareholders, write down debt, marry the operations to new capital — is not straightforward legally and institutionally. If we just throw everyone into bankruptcy court, the lawyers will fight it out for years and the operations really will grind to a halt. In the heat of the crisis, we need the same kind of greasing of wheels and twisting of arms that went into the last few bank failures. Fancy ideas. The main point of any successful plan is to marry new capital with bank operations. There are lots of creative ways to do this, including forced debt-equity swaps and various government purchases of equity. (My colleagues at the University of Chicago are particularly good at coming up with clever schemes.) The second part of the solution is to maintain liquidity of short-term credit markets. The Fed is very good at this. Its whole purpose is to be “lender of last resort.” We are told that “banks won’t borrow and lend to each other.” But banks can borrow from the Fed. The Fed is practically begging them to do so. Even if interbank lending comes to a halt, there need not be a credit crunch. If banks are not making new loans, it is because they either do not have capital, or they don’t want to; not because they can’t borrow overnight from other banks. (And the “other banks” are still there with excess deposits.) If the Fed is worried about commercial paper rates, it can support those. The one good part of the current proposals is a temporary extension of federal deposit insurance. The last thing we need is panicky individuals rushing needlessly to ATM machines. By analogy, we are in a sort of “run” of short-term debt away from banks. We have learned in this crisis that the whole financial system is relying to an incredible extent on borrowing new money each day to pay off old money, which leads quickly to chaos if investors don’t want to roll over. It doesn’t make sense to threaten that overnight debt winds up in bankruptcy court, which is at the heart of the need for government to smooth failures. In the short run, guaranteeing new short-term credit to banks as a sort of deposit insurance could stop this “run.” If we do that, of course, we will have to limit how much banks and other financial institutions can borrow at such short horizons in the future.
Banks vs. the Banking System Banks can fail without imperiling the crucial ability of the banking system to make new loans. If a bank fails, wiping out its shareholders, and its operations are quickly married to the capital of new owners, the banking system is fine. Even if one bank shuts down — so long as there are other competing banks around who can make loans — the banking system is fine. I think many observers, and quite a few policy makers, do not recognize the robustness that our deregulated competitive banking system conveys. If one bank failed in the 1930’s, a big out-of-state bank could not come in and take it over. Hedge funds, private equity funds, foreign banks, and sovereign wealth funds didn’t even exist — and if they did, there’s no way they would have been allowed to own a bank or even substantial amounts of bank stock. If a bank failed in the 1930’s, a competitive bank could not move in and quickly offer loans or deposit and other retail services to the first bank’s customers. JPMorgan could not have taken over WaMu. But all those competitive mechanisms are in place now — at least until a new round of regulation wipes them out. This is, I think, the reason why we’ve had nine months of historic financial chaos, and only now are we starting to see real systemic problems. There is a temptation for regulators and government officials to hear stories of woe from failing banks, their creditors, and their shareholders, and mistakenly believe that these particular people and institutions need to be propped up. The Treasury Plan The Treasury plan is a nuclear option. The only way it can work to solve the central problem, recapitalizing banks, is if the Treasury buys so many mortgages that we raise mortgage values to the point that banks are obviously solvent again. To work, this plan has to raise the market value of all mortgage-backed securities. We don’t just help bad banks; we bail out good banks (really their shareholders and debt holders), hedge funds, sovereign wealth funds, university and charitable endowments – everyone who made money on mortgage-backed instruments in good times and signed up for the risk in bad times. This is the mother of all bailouts. There is a storm out on the lake, and some of the boats are in trouble. Commodore Bernanke has been helping to bail water from some boats until they can patch themselves up, encouraging other sound boats to help, and transferring passengers on sinking boats to others. But it’s getting tough and the storm is still raging. Someone had a great idea: let’s blow up the dam and drain the lake! O.K., it might stop the boats from sinking, but there won’t be a lake left when we’re done. That’s the essence of the Treasury plan. Short of that, it will not work. Suppose a bank is carrying its mortgages at 80 cents on the dollar, but the market value is 40 cents. If the Treasury buys at 40 cents or even 60 cents on the dollar, the bank is in worse trouble than before, since the bank has to recognize the market value. Unless the Treasury pushes prices all the way past 80 cents on the dollar up to 90 cents or even 100 cents, we haven’t done any good at all; and $700 billion is a drop in the bucket compared what that would take. There is a lot of talk about “illiquid markets,” “price discovery,” and the “hold to maturity price.” The hope is that by making rather small purchases, the Treasury will be able to raise market prices a lot. This is a vain hope — at least it is completely untested in any historical experience. Never in all of financial history has anyone been able to make a small amount of purchases, establish a “liquid market,” and substantially raise the overall market price. Since the Treasury will not be able to raise overall market prices, it will end up buying from banks that are in trouble, at prices fantastically above market value. This is transparently the same as simply giving the banks free money. Make sure the taxpayers get a thank-you card. There is other talk (reflected in the Senate bill) of abandoning mark-to-market accounting — i.e., to pretend assets are worth more than they really are. This will not fool lenders who are worried about the true value of the assets. If anything, they will be less likely to lend. Conversely, if prices are truly artificially low, then potential lenders to banks will know this and will lend anyway. We might as well just ban all accounting if we don’t like the news accountants bring. No, we need more transparency, not less. Many of the changes in new versions of the bill make matters worse, at least for the central task of stabilizing financial markets. The Senate adds language to protect homeowners: “help families to keep their homes and to stabilize communities.” That’s natural; a political system cannot hope to bail out shareholders to the tune of $700 billion dollars without bailing out mortgage holders on the other end. But it makes the bank-stabilization problem much worse. Mortgages are worth a lot less if people don’t have to pay them back. This will directly lower the market value of the mortgages that we’re trying to raise. Yes, we need to do something. But “doing something” that will not work — with potentially dire consequences — is not the right course, especially when sensible and well-understood options remain.
I know the bill will now pass, since they've added $100 billion to it to entice 12 Republican Congressmen to change their votes. Just as an aside, I thought votes were supposed to be cheap to buy. But now I think the passage will be a mistake. | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/3/2008 6:04:52 AM | Way oversimplified>This started way before Bush was in office,and the democrat have their fingerprints all over it Well if fingers need pointing this statement is correct it started b4 Bush 2.Their was Bush 1 and Reagan and all the republics senators and congress who heralded deregulation Phil Gramm McCain(Keating) Gingrich and lots of other who worked to repeal the regulations that were put in place after the depression,don't forget to include those people it's not all Democrats who should shoulder the blame.
The wealthiest 400 families in the U.S. have gotten wealthier since Bush been in office by billions. | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/3/2008 7:05:43 AM |
Come November 4th, I urge everyone to vote against his or her Senator or Congressman who voted for this bailout bill and is seeking re-election. And now, the same for Senators McCain, Obama, and Biden. None of these people deserve your vote or mine! They have betrayed us and sold out America! Our debt may yet exceed our Gross Domestic Product!!!!! think about voting green~
Cynthia Mckinney
here's how your congressperson voted on the bailout? http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE1r_DuYH2j4rBy8JqBaVQ40MiOQD93GJ5H04
So, how many more people are like me? I'm not a greedy wall street type... but I am being financially ruined and at 60 cnc- I too feel your pain, retiring was what kept me going, now, I don't see that light at the end of the tunnel, it really, really sucks! | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/3/2008 7:51:47 AM | If you’re as outraged as I am, please watch Ralph Nader… he’ll give you reasons why we were sold out…
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/03/am.intv.nader.vp.bailout.cnn?iref=videosearch | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/3/2008 12:26:29 PM |
it's not all Democrats who should shoulder the blame.
I never said it was. But since you could only name Republicans....
Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, and Maxine Waters all recently insisted there was no problem.
Franklin Raines insisted there was no risk in residential mortgages. He was CEO of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, and was fired over 'accounting irregularities. AFAIK, he is now on Obama's staff. | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/3/2008 6:48:14 PM | There's plenty blame to go around both parties for this one. Then again, maybe people will finally start realizing the two party system is a hoax to begin with. They are one in the same. Same agenda - just different means to get there. They both answer to the higher powers that control the purse strings. That should also be obvious by now. It is unfortunate that the representatives who do take the people into consideration are far and few. Voting 3rd party... constitutionalist .. hands down, case closed. I'll have no part in supporting those who don't support us. | |
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/4/2008 7:18:47 AM | If you have the stomach, take a read at Declan McCullagh’s article at http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10057618-38.html?tag=rtcol;pop
Here’s a taste:
Bailout type Cost to taxpayers (Source: Reuters) Financial bailout package approved this week --- up to or more than $700 billion Bear Stearns financing --- $29 billion Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac nationalization --- $200 billion AIG loan and nationalization --- $85 billion Federal Housing Administration housing rescue bill --- $300 billion Mortgage community grants --- $4 billion JPMorgan Chase repayments --- $87 billion Loans to banks via Fed’s Term Auction Facility --- $200 billion+ Loans from Depression-era Exchange Stabilization Fund --- $50 billion Purchases of mortgage securities by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac --- $144 billion POSSIBLE TOTAL ------ $1.8 trillion+ NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS PER U.S. CENSUS ------- 105,480,101 POSSIBLE COST PER HOUSEHOLD -------- $17,064+
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| Full Scale Financial Meltdown Posted: 10/4/2008 8:20:24 AM |
If you have the stomach, take a read at Declan McCullagh’s article at http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10057618-38.html?tag=rtcol;pop[\quote]
That makes me wonder what else is in that bill. I think I'll be spending some good quality time reading that monstrosity this weekend. | |
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