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 itechman63
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Vype, it takes as little as weeks or as long as years to deprogram the indoctrinated.

I bought the GOP line for years and then realized that the few times they were saying anything, it seldom withstood the test of logic. I found myself last year looking at my party as though I was the 70s Pollution Indian with a tear running down my cheek as I saw the littered mess the GOP had become.

I still had hope. John McCain was the nominee and the John McCain I had followed could have been a voice of reason. A man that has always risen above and even though he stumbled along the way, he had always been a man of character. Someone that could overshadow the caricature that is now our party. But he put his faith and his campaign in the hands of the animators of the Grand Old Cartoon.

I wish it could be any other way than for a Liberal to gain the Executive Office with a Democrat Congress but perhaps this group bungling itself into relative insignificance for the next 2 years will cause those left that remember what a Republican is supposed to be to take back our party and give it back to us from the mongerers of hate, fear, and misinformation.

Tomorrow it is not those voting for Obama alone that will cost the GOP. It is those voting against the fanaticism of the New GOP that makes the difference whether it is those voting for the Liberal, or voting for Nader, or voting for Baldwin, even in 3 states voting for Paul, or specifically not showing up to not vote Republican that tilts the scales.
 Charlemagne08
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Posted: 11/3/2008 8:15:29 PM
I found myself last year looking at my party as though I was the 70s Pollution Indian with a tear running down my cheek as I saw the littered mess the GOP had become.

I remember that guy!

We can only hope the GOP will heed the wake up call thundering in their collective ear. If the combination of Colin Powell's words, the remarks of other Republicans who have publicly endorsed Obama, and the slew of races they're likely to lose tomorrow doesn't do it, I really don't know what will.
 dancecard
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Posted: 11/4/2008 2:59:28 AM
We can only hope the GOP will heed the wake up call thundering in their collective ear. If the combination of Colin Powell's words, the remarks of other Republicans who have publicly endorsed Obama, and the slew of races they're likely to lose tomorrow doesn't do it, I really don't know what will.


My too! ~ thats part of the hope Obama offers ~ for the system to work ~ we need two partys founded in logic a reason ~ not knee jerk reaction and appeals to ones bigotry and fears . ~ I hope simple simson finally gets the message . ~ Phil Gramm stated the nation had become a nation of whinners ~ and I really do agree ~ I feel we have something to whine about ~ we are getting jacked around ~ I don't care for anal sex! ~ but I'll do him one better ~ The present GOP want you to be afraid of just about everything ~ your neighbor ~ anything thats different ~ ther rule by fear! ~ McCain had been selling fear or trying too! Fear of all the things that will happen if we don't ~ see it the way he sees it! For he is the "All Seeing and All Knowing"


I found myself last year looking at my party as though I was the 70s Pollution Indian with a tear running down my cheek as I saw the littered mess the GOP had become
the buid up to the Ronnie years ~ the man behind the curtain was very active~ the selling off of America and calling it a "good thing" leveraged buy-outs and hostile cooperate take overs ~ all for greed of a few ~ "let us now ~ Kill the Goose that lays the Golden Egg" ~ The "NEW" and "IMPROVED" American way!


Vype, it takes as little as weeks or as long as years to deprogram the indoctrinated.
I think 30% will never get it!


Over for Mccain?
Posted: 11/3/2008 7:20:42 PM
Quote from Abraham Lincoln....

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away initiative and
independence.

You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they should do for
themselves.

--Abraham Lincoln


and the people that "finally" find wisdom in these words today and attempt to use them to varify their point ~ are the same people that hated this man back then ~ and wished him dead! ~ and did indeed get their wish!

But ~ HEY! ~~ It's over our heads ~ funny if it wasn't so sad! ~ I think it would be grand ~ if they could read and understand ~ "every line" ~ it's real not hard. ~ might take 2 minutes time.


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 TimPommell
Joined: 1/13/2005
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Posted: 11/4/2008 5:35:43 AM

I think the GOP we grew up with can come back under McCain if he will keep his word. Work with both sides of the isle for the good of us all.
My personal opinion of McCain has always been that he's too centrist. The strict political philosophies of liberalism and conservatism have beneficial aspects to all society, but neither works well when executed from a centrist position where the creams of both are cherry picked. You can't increase government services and decrease taxes, the money for new programs has to come from somewhere, it's just common sense. Conversely, cutting taxes in a manner that reduces tax revenue means some government programs will be either underfunded or eliminated. Reagan had the correct formula for cutting taxes and increasing revenues, and yet because his plan was vilified by economists, and the DNC, those sound, effective PROVEN economic principals were summarily abandoned by the GOP.

Obama will work with the dem leaders only and do what is good for themselves. Socialism even for 4 years is not the answer.
This is actually less frightening to me than if Obama abandoned the principals of his philosophy and moved to the center. Bush was a centrist, and we all know the only thing that happens when you stand in the middle of the road is eventually you get run over. Bush 41 did, Clinton did, Bush 43 did, and there is no change inside the beltway to suggest a centrist Obama or McCain wouldn't suffer the same fate.

I've laid down the bare facts as clear as they may be laid and, at your best, you respond that $30,000 in 2000 is different than $30,000 in 2009. OK. You win.
Elitist AND dismissive, hmmmm not exactly endearing qualities… Actually it was 2008 and it simply pointed out the problem with YOUR analogy that people making $30,000 today were better off making $30,000 under Clinton. I understand the tenets of economics strain the noodle on occasion, but I’m fairly certain everyone is familiar with the concept of “cost of living” and recognizes that the buying power of the dollar diminishes every year.

Doom will befall us all when Barack Hussein Obama wraps this thing up tomorrow. You dismiss as "suspect" a non-partisan panel which corroborates what Obama has claimed; and you claim to believe what he says, while assailing that he fails to disclose that "the devil is in the details." Yet you COMPLETELY DISREGARD the fact -- that I even pointed out to you -- that the "devil," his "details," and even that hot redhead babe he's been seen running around with are all laid out for yor review and consideration on his website.
I dismiss nothing, I told you quite clearly when any entity identifies itself as non-partisan, it’s automatically suspect because its an indication the neutrality of their “opinions” have been challenged previously as being partisan. The phrase, “the devil is in the details” is simply a reference to fine print. Absent the actual documents provided by either side, absolutely no one can say with any certainty at all that the synopsis represented is 100% accurate. Simply because you like what you see doesn’t mean its representative of the actual numbers, and the absence of details as to how those number will actually increase revenue makes them even more suspect. This isn’t a partisan issue, this is merely the application of the expression of prudent practice made famous by Ronald Reagan “trust … but verify”.


Of course I realize that no factual layout -- no matter how detailed and corroborated -- will ever induce you to vote for Obama. And I'm all good with that. I know that there will be many people voting for McCain, so you might as well be one of them. Hell, for that matter, if Bush could run again, there'd be nearly as many who would vote for Bush instead of Obama; so what can we make of that, right?
Actually you don’t know that at all, you simply assume it, and quite frankly you have assumed incorrectly … If I felt it lacked the backup necessary to prove Obama’s numbers, what on earth would lead you to believe I thought it accurately representative of McCain’s? As for Bush running again, from watching the campaign ads, it seemed Obama thought he was.
 dancecard
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Posted: 11/4/2008 6:41:12 AM
. You can't increase government services and decrease taxes, the money for new programs has to come from somewhere, it's just common sense. Conversely, cutting taxes in a manner that reduces tax revenue means some government programs will be either underfunded or eliminated. Reagan had the correct formula for cutting taxes and increasing revenues, and yet because his plan was vilified by economists, and the DNC, those sound, effective PROVEN economic principals were summarily abandoned by the GOP.
~ This would be true in a vacuum, a dead void ~ and that seems to be where we are presently headed ~ everyone just not aware, not until it reaches their doorstep ~ instead they place confidence in the lambs blood smeared over the threshold renders them immuned or somehow impervious to mismanagement ~ and run away spending with little to show for the expeniture.

and surly you don't speak of supply side economics? ~ We did out produce Ivan ~ and he threw in the towel ~ yet for some reason we did not take full advantage of this opportunity ~ ??? ~ All policy must change with the changing times ~ what worked ~ yesterday might well not work today ~~ We attempt to keep the train on the tracks ~~ you slow down ~ you speed up ~ you fuel up for the distance you must travel. ~ You load you train up ~ make it work! make it pay for itself. ~ Make it serve you. ~ ~ Our present train serves few ~ it's 75% empty! ~ and going too fast in the wrong direction.

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 TimPommell
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Posted: 11/4/2008 8:14:56 AM
In my opinion, anyone who thinks extremely disproportionate taxation is representative of sound economic policy existed in a vacuum DURING the Reagan Administration and apparently since... The majority of deficit spending under Reagan was to rebuild US defenses decimated by the Vietnam War and the Kumbaya Cold War policies of the Ford & Carter Administrations. The revenue structure of the Reagan economic policy made it possible for both Bush and Clinton to reside over a period of prosperity, the only hiccups coming from Bush’s deviation from the principals by approving a tax increase, and unfortunately part of Clinton’s plan to balance the budget was to raid the Defense Budget yet again.
It's true that when you borrow from Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's support, but the seemingly overlooked basic premise of the tenet is that it depends on the continued solvency and participation of Peter...

As for the train analogy, first you've designed the engine to run on fuel that may not be readily available, eliminated the ability of passengers to upgrade because it operates under the auspices of Public Transportation, overbooked the undersized seats, and overloaded it with standing room only passengers who hopped the turnstiles because everybody knows the train to Utopia should be free for those who don’t feel compelled to buy their own token… If the electorate is asleep at the switch, which half seems to think are, there is no guarantee the route chosen will not run out of track long before it gets to a station where the train can be safely rerouted.

The bottom line, as of 10:00 pm EST tonight we will know which candidate won the election. The voters will have been comprised of realists, idealists, the informed, and the completely clueless just as in all previous elections. Unfortunately it may be four years before we know which side actually won … the informed realists or the clueless idealists…
 slysterling
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Posted: 11/4/2008 9:32:38 AM
For a 72 year old guy the guy has held up very well out on the campaign trail. Very well. Jetsetting thru 7 states yesterday pulling out all the stops and he still looked pretty fresh last night out in Nevada, and he's still out campaigning today. The guy's got stamina and endurance; you gotta give him that much.
 dmotz
Joined: 7/25/2006
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Posted: 11/4/2008 9:52:01 AM
I am so looking forward to an upset here folks...Obama may win but one can only hope he loses...I hope the people in the center finally realize what he will do to the country...and it aint good!
 Reddwine
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Posted: 11/4/2008 9:54:38 AM
What if McCain croaked tonight?
Y'all ready for Palin???????

About as ready as I am for Obama.


I hope the people in the center finally realize what he will do to the country...and it aint good!

We tried to warn..I mean, inform them.
 Obsidian71
Joined: 6/9/2008
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Posted: 11/4/2008 9:58:03 AM

I am so looking forward to an upset here folks...Obama may win but one can only hope he loses...I hope the people in the center finally realize what he will do to the country...and it aint good!


How would they realize? Humans have shown no particular ability to predict the future beyond 50/50 chance in most areas. The next 8 years of America prosperity or lack thereof will be part Government and part chance. None of the McCain/Palin proponents have articulated just what I should be looking for. Point me to where I should be looking for destruction.

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 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
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Posted: 11/4/2008 9:59:21 AM
AND we can all say WE TRIED! We didn't cower in fear and go for the McSAME.
 dmotz
Joined: 7/25/2006
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Posted: 11/4/2008 10:03:02 AM
Yea...your trying all right. Trying to ruin this nation with socialism....Your the ones that are afraid...your the ones who want to wave the white flag...your the ones who want more welfare and give aways to make you feel better...Either way...tonight we know...Oh and go look at the thread about the black panthers intimidating voters in Philly...yea...your afraid...
 Reddwine
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Posted: 11/4/2008 10:30:27 AM
We didn't cower in fear and go for the McSAME


are you guys going to continue to show lack of respect, and continue the silly renaming after the elections?

Cower in fear? Now thats funny.
 Obsidian71
Joined: 6/9/2008
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Posted: 11/4/2008 10:45:52 AM
My God you've lost it.

You sound like some NY streetcorner Preacher talking about Doomsday. No disrespect to NY.
 itechman63
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Posted: 11/4/2008 10:52:10 AM
Have the Republicans ran on any other platform other than fear not only this cycle but for the last 20 years?
 dancecard
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Posted: 11/4/2008 11:32:58 AM
~ Hereis some info ~ for people that wish to bring forward the wisdoms of Linclon and the results ~ while at this very minute are still in motion ~

In 1789, African-Americans were defined in the Constitution as 3/5 of a person for counting representation, and could not vote at all. (Constitution's Article 1, section 2, and elsewhere)


In 1865, following the Civil War, African-Americans were given the right to vote and the "3/5ths clause" was rescinded. (14th and 15th Amendment). The clause relevant to your question is the 15th Amendment, article 1: "The right... to vote shall not be denied or abridged... on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude." (the "previous condition of servitude" meant that states couldn't deny the right to vote to those who had been slaves).


For 90 years thereafter, states did all sorts of things to abridge the right to vote for African-Americans. The main means were seemingly "objective" criteria like "literacy laws," which required that a person be able to read before they could register to vote. Since most African-Americans at the time were illiterate, that effectively prevented their voting. There were many cases before the Supreme Court, mostly in southern states, in which means of blocking the vote were removed.


The real change came during the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s, when the last of the racial restrictions were finally removed. Prior to the 1960s, the Supreme Court had determined that schools could be "separate but equal," which meant there were separate schools for African-Americans. During the 1960s, the Supreme Court enforced the desegregation of the schools on the grounds that "separate is inherently unequal."


Legally speaking, the right to vote came with the 15th amendment. But socially speaking, it took the Civil Rights movement to make it a reality.

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The 15 amendment was passed guaranteeing the right to vote to persons regardless of race.


As a matter of fact, right after the civil war, blacks were able to vote in such large numbers that they elected what is still a record of black representatives at the federal, state and local levels.


However, it was not to last. White Democrats in the south used violence as a tactic to scare blacks (and white Republicans) away from the polling places. When the Federal government did nothing to stop the violence, Whites took control and passed laws designed to prevent blacks from voting.


The first main tactic was the literacy test. Although it sounds fair to ensure you could read before you could vote, there was a catch. If your grandfather voted, you were allowed an exemption! Naturally, no black person's grandfather had voted, so they had to take the test. The test was deliberately impossible so that even in the 20th century, many black Ph.D. failed it.


Second was the poll tax. States passed laws requiring that people pay money before they could vote. This shut out blacks and many poor whites. As a result, the U.S. Constitution was later amended to prevent the use of poll taxes.


In addition, registration was difficult. The registry office was generally only open during business hours, and was, of course, closed for lunch. It was difficult for working people to register. It still is in many places, which gave rise to the Federal "Motor Voter" law which requires all states to allow people to register to vote at DMV offices.


As a result, few blacks in the south voted between 1870 and 1965. This was changed primarily as the result of Federal legislation in 1963 and 1964 insuring the right of blacks to vote, and efforts by the Johnson administration to enforce voting rights in the south. As a result, southern blacks vote overwhelmingly Democrat to this day.
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S o it wasn't until as recent as ~ 43 years ago ~ a black person even had the right to vote in a general election ~ but it all started with Linclon and took 219 years of fighting bigotry, ~ and to this day ~ the fight continues ~ This is the reasons for such men as Rev. Wright and why they might sound a little pissed off! ~ 43 years is not long in the scheme of things ~ for Obama to come this far.

If you don't like Obama ~ can't understand or don't agree with him ~ don't vote for him ~ that leave you with McSame. ~ A product of Capital Hill where the lobbiest have his back door key ~ and he's going to throw the money changers from the temple ? ~ yea Right! ~ and he's going to tell you their names? ~ yea ~ right!

and Tim ~ your statement does not allow for stimulated growth ~ an expansion of the tax basic ~ ~ Taxs is generated ~ True? the money comes from somewhere but somewhere is growing. ~ We work and grow our way out of tight spots. ~ You want a little water? ~ You got to prime the pump. ~ The "economy" is not in a state of vacuum ~ it's not static enviroment . ~ but alive and grows rapidly if feed properly or dies slowly if abused and ingored. The more it grows the greater the revenue. ~ It's not a pie! but a pie factory. ~ This is one of the reason for rapid growth during the Clinton year ~~ I know ~ I know ~ Reagan set him up! Somehow all the cooperate raiding and hostile take overs was somehow a great thing!

In anycase ~ vote "your" vote ! ~ as I have mine. ~

Dance
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
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Posted: 11/4/2008 12:12:53 PM
DMOTZ... re-read YOUR last view posts in this thread and ask yourself, WHO'S REALLY afraid here. If you weren't afraid you wouldn't be sending out so called WARNINGS of Obama's impending socialist regime. Face it, CHANGE IS ONLY A FEW HOURS AWAY! Change YOU might not like but hey... TOO BAD. We didn't like the change YOU VOTED FOR the past 8 years. Cheer up big guy... I'm sure you'll be fine. You've overcome soooo much. Your a tough guy. Now quit CRYING- YES CRYING about Obama becoming president. Like REDDWINE SAID...

He isnt crazy and he has run a brilliant campain. The man is intelligent, and in the end, I feel he will govern more to the center, trying to keep us all happy.

Now if REDD isn't afraid, and JOHN MCCAIN isn't afraid, and SARAH PALIN isn't afraid than why should you?
 dmotz
Joined: 7/25/2006
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Posted: 11/4/2008 12:26:11 PM
I am not afraid for me bubba...I have enough money and other necessity's to last another 4 years easy. What I have in the stock market will be coming out if Obama wins...my 401k will be in my pocket soon afterwards. I fear for the average person that is going to be taxed to death...for the business's that will be taxed into layoffs and increased cost passed to the consumer because of Obama's socialistic plans. My health care is taken care of so he can't touch me there either..As for my payroll taxes..I am going to claim 9 and deduct the air I breath. The Dems will not get much out of me for their bs welfare programs.
 TimPommell
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Posted: 11/4/2008 1:44:16 PM
Dance...


so it wasn't until ~ 43 years ago ~ a black person even had the right to vote in a general election ~ but it all started with Linclon and took 219 years of fighting bigotry, ~ and to this day ~ the fight continues ~ This is the reasons for such men as Rev. Wright and why they they might sound a little pissed off! ~ 43 years is not long in the scheme of things.
Why does it always have to be an issue of race? Obama is not a descendent of an African American whose roots are traceable to slaves, former slaves, oppressed during reconstruction, after reconstruction, before the civil rights movement or even during the civil rights movement, he is the descendent of an actual African, someone who came to Hawaii when it was simply a territory and left just after it became a state.



If you don't like Obama ~ can understand or don't agree with him ~ don't vote for him ~ that leave you with McSame. ~ A product of Capital Hill ~ and he's going to throw the money changers for the temple ? ~ yea Right!
Both are "McSame" the only difference is one's chair is broken in to his butt a little better. Three of the four are Washington insiders, whose combined beltway experience totals about 65 years. My expectation of "change" is limited, but only by my previous 48 years of experience in application of the absence of wisdom of appointing foxes to stand guard over the hen house.... Obama did not suddenly gain magical observational powers when he got to Washington, and the ballot I had didn't offer the option of equipping either candidate with super powers. Each agenda remains the same, Republicans cut taxes and grow the military, Democrats raise taxes and grow social programs.



and Tim ~ your statement does not allow for stimulated growth ~ an expansion of the tax basic ~ ~ Taxs is generated ~ True? the money comes from somewhere but somewhere is growing. ~ We work and grow our way out of tight spots. ~ You want a little water? ~ You got to prime the pump. ~ The "economy" is not in a state of vacuum ~ it's not static a enviroment . ~ but alive and grows if feed properly grows rapidly or dies slowly if abused and ingored. The more it grows the greater the revenue. ~ It's not a pie! but a pie factory.
The growth was a product of a properly stimulated economy and the tremendous growth experienced was not an accident and happened not because of policy deviations by Bush and Clinton but in spite of. I'll lay the majority of the blame for the current debacle at the feet of the GOP for the first 2 years of the Bush administration, but little blame after that since Barney Frank blocked the proposed regulation of his "life partner" … since the "governing body" has been in the hands of Pelosi and Reid for the past two years, and Frank is still pulling the strings, any rational person would have to attribute much more than just the final coffin nail to Democrats since we didn't just wake up one morning last month and discover it was broken, we've been watching it systematically fall apart for two years and it was Pelosi, Reid and Frank asleep at the switch...
 Imagine1947
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Posted: 11/4/2008 2:26:03 PM
dmotz...


I have enough money and other necessity's to last another 4 years easy.


How nice for you! And you have $ in the stock market and a 401K too! Too bad there are so many people in the US who don't have your financial security.

And your health care is taken care of too? Lucky you! Think of the millions of people in our country who would love that!

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to what Obama has actually said about taxes....who will pay more and who will pay less. Unless you actually earn $200K ($250K if you were married) each year, you'd be paying less.


I am going to claim 9 and deduct the air I breath.


Ah yes, the perfect solution for someone with your POV....cheat on your taxes.

Sigh.
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
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Posted: 11/4/2008 3:15:54 PM
DMOTZ WOW!!

I am not afraid for me bubba...I have enough money and other necessity's to last another 4 years easy. What I have in the stock market will be coming out if Obama wins...my 401k will be in my pocket soon afterwards. I fear for the average person that is going to be taxed to death...for the business's that will be taxed into layoffs and increased cost passed to the consumer because of Obama's socialistic plans. My health care is taken care of so he can't touch me there either..As for my payroll taxes..I am going to claim 9 and deduct the air I breath. The Dems will not get much out of me for their bs welfare programs.

So what the HELL are you ****ing and complaining about???!! I mean, YOUR RICH! Be happy. And SPREAD THE WEALTH! Remember, the more YOU GIVE, the more YOU RECEIVE! LOL! Amazing. Dude, your something else. God bless you!
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
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Posted: 11/4/2008 3:53:20 PM
GUY1 I'm not jealous at all. I think its great that he's comfortable financially. Hey it's where we all want to be. I have NO PROBLEM with that at all. I do have a problem with the notion that A CERTAIN GROUP OF UNIDENTIFIED PEOPLE are stealing his money. I can't help it but there's this thinly veiled racist tone to some of his post. Now, having read DMOTZ post for a bit now, I KNOW THATS NOT WHERE HE'S COMING FROM! LET ME BE CLEAR-- I KNOW DMOTZ IS NOT COMING FROM A RACIST MINDSET- one more time I'M NOT SUGGESTING DMOTZ IS A RACIST... But the tone of his post sometime reeks of it. Simply put, I just think its unfair to categorize a segment of the population as being lazy thieves, not knowing their situations, circumstances or conditions. People steal all the time and the ones doing the stealing on the bottom, USUALLY aren't paying taxes or actively in the system. Another thing is DMOTZ seems to have NO WORDS for the corporate AHOLES who cheat the crap out of all of us in every facet of this society. THOSE are the ones he should be pissed at. The ones HE CLAIMS are syphoning money out of his paycheck are the ONES at the top. Not the bottom. In regards to taking advantage of opportunities, of course I've missed some. But hey, I'm still in the 1st act of my life. And growing smarter and brighter each day. And lastly, I'm not blaming DMOTZ for anything. He's not running the country. What he does in his life has NO BEARING in my life whatsoever. And vice-versa. So, I'm not sure I understand your comment.
 dancecard
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Posted: 11/4/2008 4:29:02 PM
Why does it always have to be an issue of race? Obama is not a descendent of an African American whose roots are traceable to slaves, former slaves, oppressed during reconstruction, after reconstruction, before the civil rights movement or even during the civil rights movement, he is the descendent of an actual African,


Precisely! ~ Bingo! ~ Why does it have to be? After 43 years of having the right to vote ? ~ Why must it be with some ~ that they can't see beyond the skin and only by the virtue of myself being non black , ~ do I hold the privilage to bring it up ~ without accusation of playing the race card? ~~ LOL! ~ I took exception with a poster using the words of Linclon to support his ideas ~ and it open this door. ~ Tim ~ that all. ~ He and Linclon have little in common.


The growth was a product of a properly stimulated economy and the tremendous growth experienced was not an accident and happened not because of policy deviations by Bush and Clinton but in spite of. I'll lay the majority of the blame for the current debacle at the feet of the GOP for the first 2 years of the Bush The administration,
~ well we can celebrate on the parts we agree on. ~ Here's the thing ~ if you ingore your military people and still want to open up a big old king size can of "whoop-ass" ~ from that point on ~~ IT's your baby! ~ the side effects reaches far and wide. We are fighting 2 campaigns with reservist ! ~ so where's our Reserves? ( Reserve= to hold back ) It seems like reserve and conserve has a meaning that I'm not familiar with anymore. And it ain't over ! ~ It'll always by Bushs' baby! ~ WE could have conquered Mexico and all of Ceneral America by now ~ Have the world greates fishing and perttiest little brown women, best Tequelia, best beer and best weather in the western hemisphere.

Years ago someone said , that history will be kind to Bush ~ ? perhaps ~ but I doubt it. ~ The World will be slow forgeting. He lost his eye on the prize ~ Osama Bin Laden ~ concentration span of a 3 year old it seems.

Dance
 Navigator6
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Posted: 11/4/2008 7:01:48 PM

Over for Mccain?

10:00pm EST - Oh yeah... stick a fork in him, IT'S OVER!!
 Imagine1947
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Over for Mccain?
Posted: 11/4/2008 7:12:45 PM
"YourCuteGuy1"......



Do I detect sour grapes imagine?


Actually....no. I'm quite happy with my choices, thanks, as you are apparently happy with yours.

"dmotz" posts make him appear to be a scared, selfish guy whose parents never taught him how to share. He seems to be ignorant of the fact that this country has millions of citizens who also made reasonable choices and, due to circumstances out of their control, need a few breaks to help them avoid disaster. Is that too much to expect of those who boast that they have more than enough to live comfortably?
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