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Posted: 10/3/2008 7:35:40 AM | Seeing as NDE usually include out of body experience, this might hold some clues as to what is going on:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/23/science/23cnd-body.html | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 7:47:17 AM | An NDE is not the same. In an OBE, you remain on the etheric plane, so you can be visited by the inhabitants of lower vibrational frequencies. In an NDE, you transcend the etheric.
Hope this helps. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 8:38:44 AM | ^^^^People who have claimed to experience NDE also claim to experience OBE as part of the NDE.
Thought I might make it clear for you. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 8:42:59 AM | I have had both. They are not the same. People who have had neither often claim to know everything, nonetheless.
Thought that might make it clear for you.
Edit to add: I will elluciate... In an NDE, you go through a portal of energy. You do not have the "silver cord" that remains attached to the Earthly plane. You do not experience limited awareness. You do not have your "ka" (etheric body) with you. You are not subject to attack by other etheric entities.
I have read reports of people dying and going to hell. I say that consciousness is a masterful creator. I also suspect that some of these are OBE's mistaken for an NDE. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 8:52:42 AM |
I have had both. They are not the same.
Irrelevant. The fact remains that people who claim to have experienced NDE also claim to have experienced OBE as part of the NDE. I can link to such claims if you wish.
Your evasion is noted.. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 8:59:10 AM | An NDE obviously means you're not in your body. A fool could figure that out. 
Pardon me for assuming you were beyond that. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 9:01:52 AM | An NDE obviously means you're not in your body. A fool could figure that out.
Pardon me for assuming you were beyond that.
And you are still being evasive in regard to the evidence I supplied, and to the question of OBE being a part of an NDE experience. As well as stooping to namecalling (ad hom).
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Posted: 10/3/2008 9:22:42 AM | Why don't you give the straightforward answer you seek yourself?
Now comes the psychobabble stage.
How can one give something that they don't have? If I'm seeking, it means I don't yet have it, therefore I cannot give it.
It's amazing you claim to have all this knowledge, but cannot address the evidence supplied...
Speaking of, here is another link:
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/49889.html | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 9:32:33 AM | Perhaps the answer lies within yourself? You seek an answer for a reason. If you lack the ambition to find the answer personally and reject the answers that are given to you from those who have had personal knowledge, then you've created quite a dilemma.
If you are satisfied with scientific studies, why not stop there? | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 10:39:33 AM |
Perhaps the answer lies within yourself? You seek an answer for a reason. If you lack the ambition to find the answer personally and reject the answers that are given to you from those who have had personal knowledge, then you've created quite a dilemma.
If you are satisfied with scientific studies, why not stop there?
Stop trying to make this about me, another form of evasion.
I am showing there is evidence that this phenomena could be physiologically based. YOU are the one trying to manipulate this debate into some kind of search for answers on my part.
Pathetic. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 10:59:17 AM | Your truth is based on the temporal facts that flit by you. My truth is based on the eternal knowing of my soul. Yours is physiological, but will return to dust. Mine is ephemeral and eternal.
Namaste | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 12:56:16 PM | | There is no "your truth" or "my truth" or "his truth". As individuals, we may turn out to be right or wrong about reality, but reality will go right on being the way it is in either case. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 5:26:12 PM | I can't help being a bit amused by some postings as this topic seems to be turning into a debate of preconceived beliefs. It comes as no surprise to me that female posters are tending to uphold the possibility of afterlife realms whereas the guys just think it's bs.
Since I have met two women in my life who's intuitive and astral projection abilities defy any logical explanation, I will only say that women, with respect to the hidden dimensions, are better in tune with them. Maybe it's their tendency to use the left side of the brain.
We know that in the past many women were burned at the stake for witchcraft. As many as 8,000,000 by some estimates; enough to alter human DNA in Europe some say. It was often never considered by the medieval Christians whether their "gifts" might be beneficial; they were simply defying logic and that was enough. The "special" women I met were both of native American descent, however.
Fortunately we are now in the age of enlightenment and truth. Individuals with special abilities are now encouraged to cultivate them for the benefit of all. Near death experiences are no longer sceptically brushed aside in disbelief, but instead carefully researched as their common elements lend support to a growing database from which we can gather a better idea of the process of death and the survival of our consciousness.
Needless to say, this entire school of thought is restricted to only those willing to allow the possibility of the expansion of their minds beyond their immediate reality. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 8:46:47 PM | There is no "your truth" or "my truth" or "his truth". As individuals, we may turn out to be right or wrong about reality, but reality will go right on being the way it is in either case.
So you don't believe in relativism? Then you must believe in elitism. The elite "know" they have all the answers and if they don't "science" does.
There is an absolute truth. It never changes. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 8:59:35 PM | We know that in the past many women were burned at the stake for witchcraft. As many as 8,000,000 by some estimates; enough to alter human DNA in Europe some say. It was often never considered by the medieval Christians whether their "gifts" might be beneficial; they were simply defying logic and that was enough. The "special" women I met were both of native American descent, however.
You are right. I'm Blackfoot and Welsh, the Celtic and the native American. My ancestors were table knockers and spiritualists...my dad's side of the family were all ministers. Each and every one of the ministers in my family are great men of God...no BS there, no farting preacher, although my dad was known to release on occasion himself....
I had an experience once in (I don't want to mention the city..because)..but ...my oldesst daughter and her best friend were shopping in this small river city, town. They went into a jewelry/magic shop and the proprietor asked them what they were looking for and they told her, 'a necklace for my mom's birthday'.
The owner knew who I was, and said "they" had been expecting me. We had just moved to that town. My daughter gave me the necklace and told me what the woman had said. I was curious but stayed away from the shop.
Then a man came into the place where I worked and told me the same thing...he asked me to meet him downtown in a bar/restaurant on the river. I took the chance and met the guy who told me he was a member of an Edgar Cayce group and they had been holding crystals to their forheads and "thinking" about me....NO BS!
I got up and went into the bathroom and prayed, went back out there and the dude told me he had been in VietNam and was in some special forces unit that had fought the Camarouge (sp) and that he had accidentally killed a little boy....
He went on to say that "we" he and his group and me could join forces and really accomplish...something??!!
He said I was a special person, a seer, possessor of special powers or some such twattle. I went home and ceremoniously threw that necklace down in a ravine and disclaimed and disassociated myself from any ties or connections with the whole thing.
That really happened. It scared the Hell out of me. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2008 11:03:56 PM |
So you don't believe in relativism? Then you must believe in elitism. The elite "know" they have all the answers and if they don't "science" does.
There is an absolute truth. It never changes.
Truth is a function of time. It changes every moment. A minute ago, If you had said I posted on this thread, you would be a liar.
For those who believe there is a my truth and a your truth, I recommend Emmanuel Kant: Truth does not exist. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 7:40:25 AM | It seems to me that the word "truth" is being bandied about quite a bit here, but what truth are we talking about?
A rock is a rock. Pretty solid. If you stub your toe on it, it hurts. However, the truth of that rock extends deeper to molecules. Molecules reduce further to atoms - which are mostly space. Those molecules reduce even further to subatomic particles and a certain level of uncertainty exists here. Go even further down and there's the 'quantum foam' that is the basic structure of the universe. We are in the universe of probabilities.
Then there is personal truth. This is trickier. Am I in the right job? Am I doing right by the people around me? Do I believe in the right God? Should I even believe in God?
There are contradictions that are inherent in life. It seems to me that those who are most successful are the ones who can best navigate between those contradictions. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 7:44:35 AM |
We know that in the past many women were burned at the stake for witchcraft. As many as 8,000,000 by some estimates
Actually, I think a study of the records has shown the number is closer to 50,000 but it's hardly a numbers game, as I'm sure you can agree. It was a tragedy brought on by ignorance and self-righteousness.
Oh, just so you know, it was the Khmer Rouge. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 7:44:53 AM | | Not to be contentious (really), but if we approach it from the strange world of quantum physics, a rock is not a rock at all. In fact, we never stub a toe on the rock because there is no toe either. There's nothing solid about either one of them, except that our perceptions cause them to be. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 7:56:27 AM | And on that, webweebil, we actually agree. It was the point I was trying to make.
At best, "truth" is applicable only to the here and now. Regardless of whether the rock is solid or not, stubbing your toe hurts. However, it's when you look deeper into the physical structure of it, the story gets a bit more complicated.
Personal truth, trickier still. It becomes a personal choice. There are those who have experiences they can attribute to "God" while others are polar opposites. The danger comes from thinking we have "the Truth." | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 8:11:17 AM | The Catholic church was able to get two, two, two things in one! They were able to virtually erase all traces of earth wisdom based on goddess/feminine worship (such as the understanding of moon cycles and the recognition/respect that was attributed to intuitive knowing (gnosis)) and usher in the Dark Ages to get the wealth of widows, which was pretty substantial at the time. What a bargain!
Don't think that we don't live with these ancestral memories deep within us. As much as women suffered, men have also been psychologically handicapped by the heritage and practice of patriarchal misogyny as well. The divine feminine is not limited to just women.
I've read that over 3 million women were killed in Germany alone. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 8:28:32 AM |
Personal truth, trickier still. It becomes a personal choice. There are those who have experiences they can attribute to "God" while others are polar opposites. The danger comes from thinking we have "the Truth."
You need to talk to Kant. Personal truth doesn't exist. I agree with the rock. It exists, and the perception of it's strength is real. Personal truth is impossible to determine. Even if you meet God, how do you know it wasn't the Devil? | |
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Posted: 10/4/2008 9:38:51 AM | Posted By: AarAndEpps on 10/3/2008 11 35 PM:
"He said I was a special person, a seer, possessor of special powers or some such twattle. I went home and ceremoniously threw that necklace down in a ravine and disclaimed and disassociated myself from any ties or connections with the whole thing."
Pardon my intrusion, AandE, but I'm a bit surprised that you cast away along with your necklace an opportunity for self discovery.
If I was to tell you that you are a fractal of the Essence of Creation, or what is more commonly known as an independent child of God, would you still fear? You are in control with respect to entities from other dimensions and what you won't tolerate won't manifest against your wishes. A higher power of provision exists to counter violations and ensure your relative happiness at all times. Remember the words of the great teacher, "ask and ye shall receive." or "ye are gods and sons of the most high." or "these things and more shall ye do." In other words we have within us the capability of defying "natural" order by our will alone. Hence we have, along with many others, Mellon Thomas Benedict in complete control during his death and ultimately deciding to return to life with a message for us. | |
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