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 Last not Least

Joined: 10/27/2007
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Posted: 10/4/2008 9:48:00 AM

A "near death" experience is NOT (as it is too often made out to be) the same as a death experience. A person who has had such an experience is NOT qualified to tell the rest of us what the "other side" is like, because he did not GET to the other side (the fact that he is here to talk about it is proof of that!)


Oh yea nonbeliever! Don't know know that you have no hope of gaining understanding unless you buy the inevitable book and audio CD collection? sheesh.
Only by enriching the guy's bank account can enlightnment be attained. Well until the next crank comes along with something else.
 gottalight

Joined: 12/15/2005
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Posted: 10/4/2008 9:49:15 AM

I'm a bit surprised that you cast away along with your necklace an opportunity for self discovery.


I am not surprised. I found myself because I was attacked by demons, not visited by God. Again I ask, If you saw God, how are you sure that he is not the devil?

Please, don't give me your opinion. I have one.
 webweebil

Joined: 9/4/2008
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Posted: 10/4/2008 10:04:19 AM

Oh yea nonbeliever! Don't know know that you have no hope of gaining understanding unless you buy the inevitable book and audio CD collection? sheesh.
Only by enriching the guy's bank account can enlightnment be attained. Well until the next crank comes along with something else.


I see I have a newly hatched troll. How perfect. I tell you what, I am going to ignore you as best I can. This way I don't say anything politically incorrect or get quagmired into another giant sucking waste of energy. I do appreciate momentum, but the downward variety is getting pretty old.
 gottalight

Joined: 12/15/2005
Msg: 54
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Posted: 10/4/2008 10:16:41 AM

I see I have a newly hatched troll. How perfect. I tell you what, I am going to ignore you as best I can. This way I don't say anything politically incorrect or get quagmired into another giant sucking waste of energy. I do appreciate momentum, but the downward variety is getting pretty old.


I think you missed his sarcasm. I have some pens on Ebay. They are the actual pens which God wrote the bible with in his own hand. I have very few left, and the prices are going higher. Buy one today!
 Last not Least

Joined: 10/27/2007
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Posted: 10/4/2008 10:21:32 AM

I see I have a newly hatched troll. How perfect. I tell you what, I am going to ignore you as best I can. This way I don't say anything politically incorrect or get quagmired into another giant sucking waste of energy. I do appreciate momentum, but the downward variety is getting pretty old.




I'm not a troll webbie, I just have this tendency to call a flake a flake. However in the post that you refer to I didn't mention you at all so you must have a newly emerging christ/ persecution complex. As if you didn't have a plethera of complexes already
 stargazer1000

Joined: 1/16/2008
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Posted: 10/4/2008 10:25:23 AM
Interesting and sad how some of those those who claim to aspire to a new philosophy fail to aspire to it. Apologies to the OP to see this post degrading in quality of discourse.
 webweebil

Joined: 9/4/2008
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Posted: 10/4/2008 10:28:59 AM
You were quoting someone who was quoting me. How convoluted these threads can be! I did have a chuckle just now imagining us to be in a court of law:

"Webweevil said something in this post about McKenna and gottalight then assumed her to be under a cult influence and then lastbutnotleast quoted a quote and then stargazer felt injured, your honor."

How long do you think this could go on before the jury could take no more and just shoot themselves?
 Last not Least

Joined: 10/27/2007
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Posted: 10/4/2008 10:35:44 AM
Any philosophy that I ascribe to is based on my reality and in my times. I haven't a lot of time for the construction of air castles. Some think that an astronomical event will instantaneously change reality and mankind. As far as I am concerned the age of aquarius was the title of a charming and dated song done the the fifth dimension back in the late 60's. I do see some parallels between the hippy dippy philosophies of today and some from back then. About the only things that differ are hallucinogenics and free love which makes it a tougher sale. I can understand that and sympathize. But then by now we all should have outgrown the hippy crap.
 gottalight

Joined: 12/15/2005
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Posted: 10/4/2008 10:42:44 AM
I don't assume you are under the influence. I simply said you preach instead of looking at things in perspective. I am going to springboard off of that, and return to the OP.

Clearly, MTB had an experience, and has opinions about the experience. Again I ask, If you meet God, how do you know you didn't meet the devil?

Is MTB being prepared for heaven or hell?
 webweebil

Joined: 9/4/2008
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Posted: 10/4/2008 10:51:50 AM
Speaking from my own experience, when I had my encounter, my soul knew and it rushed home. It is more than your mind, it is your essence. There is only forgiveness. Not just for others, but mostly for yourself. You cannot but help be humbled and raised up at the same time before this love energy. It teaches all that you ever need to know in an instant: that you are not alone; that you were never alone; and that you never will be alone. You see that it was only your mind that created sin and caused such needless suffering in the first place.
 gottalight

Joined: 12/15/2005
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Posted: 10/4/2008 10:54:45 AM
I am glad you found your god. I found the devil, and he disguised himself as god, and I worry about those who can't tell the difference.
 webweebil

Joined: 9/4/2008
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Posted: 10/4/2008 10:56:25 AM
Why worry about others? You're the one who found the devil. I would say that should be your first concern. Really.
 gottalight

Joined: 12/15/2005
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Posted: 10/4/2008 11:27:18 AM
Thank you for the segue. Why worry? I have met several artists who have had their work stolen by the devil, and delivered to the enemy. They take the gifts of Intellectual Property, which is delivered by the spirit from the soul of the inventor to the soul of the rich man who can use the idea to advance civilization or entertain the masses. This is an illegal invasion of privacy, and a violation of the human rights of the inventor. It makes the rich man even wealthier, and he bears no fruit to the inventor or the society as a whole. He becomes a wealthy pig.

This is exactly the "philosphy" that MTB is teaching.


I tell people that just as life is completely interactive here on this side, the other side is also completely interactive.

True. I and the other starving artists are interactive with the light.

I asked a lot of questions and the light would answer in a most brilliant way, so that I would personally understand. I would fully and completely understand the information that was being released to me, transferred to me.

True. I and the other artists are full of information.

Every question that I had, though, every fundamental question was answered.

I think each and every one of us is born with a different set of questions to the universe for us to explore. There are many things that I am not interested in that I didn’t ask about.

And you didn't ask if he was the devil?

“I would like to be able to bring things back to the world, things that would help the world.”

Motivation seems pure, but do actions follow?

So I asked to be a nuts and bolts guy, and I was given that gift and the enhanced gift of invention. I have been tested in universities to be able to invent on command on just about any subject. That is one of the things that I am really well known for, actually, bringing back useful technical information.

And where do you think these inventions came from? You didn't ask. The spirit world often has a don't ask don't tell policy. It is one of the devils favorite tools.

I have a lot of patents.


You can check those out at the patent office for technologies, for regeneration healing tools. I am an eclectic inventor and I invent every day. It never stops and I record everything.


It turns out that I was exactly right. I helped decode a genetic disease and the information was very accurate.

And the real inventor lives in a box on skid row.

We are all one.

Yes sir. You are one. You steal from God. You are one of the biggest "ones" I have ever seen. You are one, and I am sure I am not mistaken.
 Last not Least

Joined: 10/27/2007
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Posted: 10/4/2008 6:04:01 PM
The thing I think about in New Age beliefs and religion (if you can call it that) is that it is like a tinkertoy set where you take the bits that you like and discard what you don't like or agree with. There is also a transitory aspect where it changes all the time. That makes it appear more of a fashion statement and less religious conviction.
Your faith is not something that you pick up at Dogmas R Us. Makes the whole thing look tawdry and artificial. All gloss and no substance. I am not even going to comment on the attitudes of the "true believers".
I opt out of organised religion entirely because I not only abhor the a la carte variety but also the stiff dogma of the older sects of the cult.
You could say that my daily life is my religion. I act on a daily basis according to my own ideals of right and wrong. I don't need to be preached at and threatened with eternal damnation in order to choose to be a decent person and not make too big a mess of things.
 gottalight

Joined: 12/15/2005
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Posted: 10/4/2008 7:46:30 PM

The thing I think about in New Age beliefs and religion (if you can call it that) is that it is like a tinkertoy set where you take the bits that you like and discard what you don't like or agree with.

The problem with most beliefs, is that you need faith. If you have faith in your tinkertoy religion, then you should have a strong foundation for a civilized community. The problem with most religions these days, is that instead of forming communities, they want to invade yours.


I opt out of organised religion entirely because I not only abhor the a la carte variety but also the stiff dogma of the older sects of the cult.
I opted out because I had a personal revelation. Which led to discovery of the above, ie. the need for community and beliefs in common. No man is an island.


You could say that my daily life is my religion. I act on a daily basis according to my own ideals of right and wrong. I don't need to be preached at and threatened with eternal damnation in order to choose to be a decent person and not make too big a mess of things.


I find these objectives to have considerable quality. My own religion develops in steps, and I attempt to illustrate the steps as they solidify. I feel it is critical to understand the definition of "moral code" and to have one that you can clearly demonstrate to others. If you do not, you tempt yourself with your own demons, and appear the hypocrite when words even slightly deviate from actions. I find "the golden rule" to be superbly qualified as a moral code, but the devil is in the details of the related sexual activities, and the details of other things that other moralities do not allow. Why can't people just let me drink, cuss, smoke, and have carefree sex without sticking their noses where they don't belong?
 Last not Least

Joined: 10/27/2007
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Posted: 10/4/2008 7:53:24 PM
To me, holding your belief merely on faith would be tantamount to having faith that the airmattress that you have floating in your pool could be ridden across the atlantic ocean. It is full of air and will almost certainly spring a leak eventually.

I totally agree with the invasion comment. They don't form communities in a growing fashion but rather want to assimilate you like the Borg.

"you will be assimilated. we will add your distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile!"
 gottalight

Joined: 12/15/2005
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Posted: 10/4/2008 8:26:03 PM

To me, holding your belief merely on faith would be tantamount to having faith that the airmattress that you have floating in your pool could be ridden across the atlantic ocean. It is full of air and will almost certainly spring a leak eventually.

I agree. Building a temple on faith and beliefs will eventually cause the temple to fall. It needs a strong foundation. I found mine in truth. Too bad so many people have to believe that there "faith" is truth. Evidently, their faith is so strong that they have managed to get dictionaries printed with new definitions of truth. Many of my beliefs were upset when I found new pieces of truth along the way, but truth itself never faltered.


I totally agree with the invasion comment. They don't form communities in a growing fashion but rather want to assimilate you like the Borg.


It is a good thing they don't understand logistics. Who knows what we would be if they did.
 AarAndEpps

Joined: 5/27/2008
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Posted: 10/4/2008 10:32:02 PM
"Pardon my intrusion, AandE, but I'm a bit surprised that you cast away along with your necklace an opportunity for self discovery.
If I was to tell you that you are a fractal of the Essence of Creation, or what is more commonly known as an independent child of God, would you still fear? You are in control with respect to entities from other dimensions and what you won't tolerate won't manifest against your wishes. A higher power of provision exists to counter violations and ensure your relative happiness at all times. Remember the words of the great teacher, "ask and ye shall receive." or "ye are gods and sons of the most high." or "these things and more shall ye do." In other words we have within us the capability of defying "natural" order by our will alone. Hence we have, along with many others, Mellon Thomas Benedict in complete control during his death and ultimately deciding to return to life with a message for us. "

When I was a child I was able to raise the teaspoon off the table in our home while eating breakfast with my brothers and sister with just my finger above it. I could just feel the energy like a buzzing between my finger and the spoon or the pencil. They all thought it was a great trick. I never thought it was unusual.

I was able to rise above the trees when I was six. I remember on a summer night rising above the tree tops and what it felt like. I knew that if I told anyone they would think I was crazy.

My dad pastored a church in the country and we would stay all afternoon with a church family and then go to church that night. There was a family who owned horses. I would go out to the barn and "knew" what the horses were thinking. I didn't want to know, but I knew.

My parents recognized I was different and thought I might be possessed. I got down on my knees with them and renounced any power or any affiliation with any knid of power other than God.

It disturbs me that people might know of my presence and try to connect with me. I want nothing to do with it.
My power scares the crap out of me. I denounce it completely!

I would have been burned at the stake.
 garry1949

Joined: 12/26/2005
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Posted: 10/5/2008 6:04:42 AM
"It disturbs me that people might know of my presence and try to connect with me. I want nothing to do with it.
My power scares the crap out of me. I denounce it completely!"

I understand. My apologies for any discomfort I may have caused you.

On the subject of the devil or demons as some posters have mentioned; my personal belief is that there are no such entities. However, there are discarnate spirits who might harbour a lot of ill will toward certain or all incarnates. Their desire for vengeance is rooted in past disputes possibly going back to past lives of which we are totally unaware. Sincere requests for their forgiveness may eventually appease the offended/offending spirit.
It is therefore of great importance to lead our lives in a spirit of brother and sisterhood while on earth; to try to understand each other, even if our views differ greatly. Having no residual enmity or ties at death is the ticket to smooth transition back to the Source.

I'm not trying to sell anyone anything, by the way; nor have I any desire to start a cult. My "agenda" is to be a voice for peace, for calm, for contentment. I respect the cycle of life, ie. love, sexual/spiritual union, and children. I lament our ignorance and lack of appreciation for this wondrous world on which we exist for such a short time and our seemingly insatiable material appetite.
 webweebil

Joined: 9/4/2008
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Posted: 10/5/2008 6:39:02 AM
If we could strip away all superstitions and deal with this as energy, things would be a lot easier. Unfortunately, all this about demons, possessions, etc., are psychological programs that have been instilled by religions that are very hard to break. They are perfect examples of how the mind can create what it wills. The church knows this and has known it all along. It is the continuation of the priesthood in Babylon that has been perverted and kept secret in order to take away your power. Power, not to control others, but to own yourself and free your Spirit. The emotional charges that are associated with demons and devils have an energetic vibration that will attract like vibrations. As I mentioned before, there are different levels (or realms) and there are different inhabitants in these realms. Lower vibrational entities who are of a negative nature are at the next level of vibration to our 3-d reality (4-d if you count time.)

This is why shamans (tribal wisdom holders) worked with lucid dreaming and OBE's so they could explore these regions and transcend them. Back in the pagan days, there were oracles and people who were quite familiar with working with energy, understanding the magnetic ley lines of the earth, speaking with animals and making predictions. Most of them were women, because of our moon cycles. Adolescents are also very susceptible to energetic phenomenon, like poltergeists, because of their energetic fields while their hormones are kicking in. These were the ones that the Church slaughtered en masse in Europe in order to take the power for themselves and control future generations. It's good to know the history. I don't expect you to listen to me, but please research on your own if you're the least bit interested.
 gottalight

Joined: 12/15/2005
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Posted: 10/5/2008 12:25:48 PM

If we could strip away all superstitions


My own philosphy attempts to do just that, but if your temple is built upon them, it will fall. You must build a temple upon the conerstone of truth for it to withstand the floods and winds of superstition.

psychological programs that have been instilled by religions that are very hard to break.

Tell me more. I am in the prison of truth, and the barricades of superstition will not let me out. Even the "Hail Mary" has failed me, and I can't get a Jezebel to look at me twice.

As I mentioned before, there are different levels (or realms) and there are different inhabitants in these realms. Lower vibrational entities who are of a negative nature are at the next level of vibration to our 3-d reality (4-d if you count time.)

Begging your pardon, but that sounds superstitious to me.

It's good to know the history. I don't expect you to listen to me, but please research on your own if you're the least bit interested.

I am all ears, until I engage my brain. Then I start typing. I have done a bit of research, and even study Concordances and Ancient Greek word usages. I use herbal medicines, and I treat plants and wildlife as individual souls, with or without the proof of their existence as such.
 webweebil

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Posted: 10/5/2008 12:48:38 PM
Tell me more. I am in the prison of truth, and the barricades of superstition will not let me out. Even the "Hail Mary" has failed me, and I can't get a Jezebel to look at me twice.


Here's where we get on thin ice. It's difficult to separate wisdom that has been handed down from superstition. The human mind can easily turn great teachings into dogma. It is important to be a masterful student and take responsibility along the path to self-awareness. Some teachings (such as the Tao, Buddhism, even original Christianity (which is mystical)) are more "pure" than others, but they all have distortions. Witness the student sweeping ashrams for decades, waiting for enlightenment. The great teachers lead you to listen to your own heart, knowing that pain and suffering will visit you as great teachers until these things no longer serve their purpose. Anyone who says otherwise is only there to have you follow them under the guise of assured safety and protection. Unfortunately, discernment is up to the student. Far too often, great teachers are looked upon to do the work for the student, even when they try adamantly to not be looked upon as a "god." The master will point to the mountain, but the follower will focus on the finger, not the mountain. Even though they try and say that they are just like anyone else, but for their having "crossed over," they are put on a pedestal to be untouchable or condemned as a heretic. They use parables because they force the student to think, knowing that by not thinking and just accepting, there is no expanded awareness. Of course, this leads the die-hard materialist to presume all of it is nonsensical made-up stories.

The four shining paths of yoga state that ppl can enter nirvana (the top of the mountain) four different ways: mind; heart (love); study (with a master); or devotion (chanting and praying.) The razor's edge is the mind path. The student uses the mind to transcend the mind. It is the most difficult because the mind has to be tested and brought under control. It is also the path of the loner. Some teachers are not for some students. Some students cannot have a teacher at all, but need to learn on their own. I was one of those. I don't make the best teacher for that reason.

Superstition is those thoughts that are given to you without your permission, but stay within you as a program. Fundamental Christianity is rife with these. However, transcendence is available even on the meanest path. All it takes is a "satori" moment of true letting go and allowing the Now to enter without filters. Easy to say.
 gottalight

Joined: 12/15/2005
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Posted: 10/5/2008 1:28:48 PM

Here's where we get on thin ice.

We seem to end up on it often. It it ok if a wear my ice shoes? Someday, I hope others will take off their blinders.

It's difficult to separate wisdom that has been handed down from superstition.

Not for me. I have my ice shoes on, and I don't wear blinders. Watch me separate. If you can't prove it, it is superstition. I really don't care whether I can disprove it. If I can't prove it, but believe it, I won't call it superstition. If my spirits, which I have seen, cannot confirm; then it is superstition in my view.

The great teachers lead you to listen to your own heart, knowing that pain and suffering will visit you as great teachers until these things no longer serve their purpose. Anyone who says otherwise is only there to have you follow them under the guise of assured safety and protection. Unfortunately, discernment is up to the student.

This is pure Gospel.

Far too often, great teachers are looked upon to do the work for the student, even when they try adamantly to not be looked upon as a "god." The master will point to the mountain, but the follower will focus on the finger, not the mountain..

this serves as illustration for some, but not all.
Even though they try and say that they are just like anyone else, but for their having "crossed over," they are put on a pedestal to be untouchable or condemned.

Yep. They worship the Dalai Lama, and they crucified Jesus.

They use parables because they force the student to think, knowing that by not thinking and just accepting, there is no expanded awareness.

They ask questions so that the student learns to stop assuming and start learning.

this leads the die-hard materialist to presume all of it is nonsensical made-up stories.

And the choir sings.

The four shining paths of yoga state that ppl can enter nirvana (the top of the mountain) four different ways: mind; heart (love); study (with a master); or devotion (chanting and praying.)

Somewhere between superstition and truth. It serves as a model, but weeds start popping up and destroy the teachings, the interpretation of love, and the usage of prayer.

The razor's edge is the mind path. It is the most difficult because the mind has to be tested and brought under control.

The razor's edge is truth. The tools to sharper the razor are Logic and Reason. It is difficult because Logic and Reason are difficult without a large spark of intelligence, and many would be better off just praying, believing, and wearing blinders. When I write, others get headaches.



Some students cannot have a teacher at all, but need to learn on their own. I was one of those. I don't make the best teacher for that reason.

Neither one of us asks enough questions because we have most of the answers. We should ask more questions.

Do you agree that logic and reason are the sharpening tools of the razor called truth?
 webweebil

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Posted: 10/5/2008 1:37:53 PM
I think we are not good teachers to each other.

But to answer your question, only if the student is on the path of the mind. Logic and reason does not serve as a sharpening tool to the one on the path of devotion. To them, they reach nirvana through entering into a mystical state of vibration, such as the whirling dervishes of Turkey. There's many paths...
 gottalight

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Posted: 10/5/2008 1:45:33 PM

Logic and reason does not serve as a sharpening tool to the one on the path of devotion. To them, they reach nirvana through entering into a mystical state of vibration, such as the whirling dervishes of Turkey. There's many paths

Or does the Stairway to Heaven only have two? Can you hear the wind blow? Did you know; your stairway lies on the whispering wind?

Prayer and devotion are for those with minimal reasoning capacity. When truth closes a door, it opens a window.
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