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Posted: 10/8/2008 8:45:46 AM | I didn't do any psychoactive drugs to have my experiences. I don't even drink. For being such a "fact" based person, you sure do practice a lot of speculation when it comes to people.
I live in Sedona because I love beauty, which is something most people recognize as Sedona possessing. I lived in Costa Rica. What does that say? Before that, I was in the DC/Metro area. What does that say? Before that, Europe. What does that say? | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 8:55:21 AM |
I didn't do any psychoactive drugs to have my experiences. I don't even drink. For being such a "fact" based person, you sure do practice a lot of speculation when it comes to people.
I have never speculated about you or about anyone. I never suggested or implied that your experiences were drug-based, merely that they were hallucinatory. A lot of things can cause chemical imbalances, including the sort of physical trauma that led to your alleged "NDE". What I learned from my experiments is just how tiny the amount of chemical change can be and still cause compelling but false perceptions. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 8:59:33 AM |
I live in Sedona because I love beauty, which is something most people recognize as Sedona possessing.
I have been to Sedona. It is beautiful. It is also full of nutcases chanting around "power spots", worshipping quartz crystals, celebrating the "harmonic convergence", and other such nonsense. In fact, it is as much of a loony-magnet as Esalen. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 9:20:55 AM | What conclusions you draw are derived from your biases. Others draw completely different conclusions. That is that certain chemicals allow for more input from the universe to be perceived. I would agree with you but for one thing: My experience put me in touch with a greater reality that spoke to the truth that lay dormant within my own soul. Also that it was beyond any conscious thoughts I held previously, therefore I could not have anticipated and willed them into being on a mental level.
On another note entirely, I found an excellent video series of lectures from Timothy Freke (the obvious jokes about his name will certainly pop up) on Lucid Living. He is a Dr. of Philosophy from Bristol University. He wrote the book, "Jesus and the Goddess," which provided a basis for "The Da Vinci Code," (which took loose liberties with his findings) and the historical Jesus. His lectures on Lucid Living are highly thought provoking, imo...
Part I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOWeRMufp5s&feature=related
Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-1LuQJK-8U&feature=related
Part III: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkNTc5YlJLg&feature=related
Part IV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtJMnzCdR5M&feature=related
Part V: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Vick2qFDA&feature=related
Part VI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqtR5-EpCv4&feature=related
Part VII: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ixkDMopP2M&feature=related
Part VIII: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0bhFH7mEXM&feature=related
Part IX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-F3KAGmKfY&feature=related
There's a lot worse ways to spend your day. (smile)
BTW, intoart, I agree with you. That's why I'm a recluse writing on a dating site. The dating pool is difficult with the amount of flakes that abound here. I see just as many "groupies" and hypocrites within the spirituality and arts fields as with any of the others. At least our crime rate is very low and they are fairly harmless when kept at arm's length. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 9:34:30 AM |
The dating pool is difficult with the amount of flakes that abound here.
I would think you would fit right in, being a flake yourself, and all! | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 9:38:04 AM |
My experience put me in touch with a greater reality that spoke to the truth that lay dormant within my own soul.
Your experience merely made you THINK you were in touch with a "greater reality".
As I said, hallucinations like that can seem quite compelling.
When I was young, my dad taught me that one of the most important goals of education is to develop a "gold-plated bullshit detector. Mine functions very well. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 9:54:48 AM | I am never touching ANY form of psychoactive drug again, "meds" included.
(One positive effect of those experiences, however, was that I learned to distinguish between reality and bullshit such as "spirituality"
LSD, peyote, psilocybin, and PCP are drugs that cause hallucinations, which are profound distortions in a person’s perception of reality. Under the influence of hallucinogens, people see images, hear sounds, and feel sensations that seem real but do not exist.
LSD users can also experience flashbacks, or recurrences of certain aspects of the drug experience. Flashbacks occur suddenly, often without warning.
The flashbacks can persist and cause significant distress or impairment in social or occupational functioning, a condition known as hallucinogen-induced persisting perceptual disorder (HPPD).
Need I say more....perhaps meds would be of great use to you. I can see now why you would cling so tenaciously to something solid/which science represents to you. I totally understand now why you fight so viciously against anything that hints at the unknown and uncontrollable.
I've gotcha now. Everyone has an Achilles heel. I understand. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 10:44:35 AM |
LSD users can also experience flashbacks, or recurrences of certain aspects of the drug experience.
Some do. I never have, nor do I consider that to be even a remote possibility (the people who have that issue used vastly larger doses than I ever did, and usually much more often and for a much longer time as well.)
Once again, your "analysis" is compltely lacking in any sort of merit whatsoever. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 10:46:30 AM | | Newsflash: The truth does not care what your opinions, your father's opinions or even science's opinions are. It operates quite independently from all of it, intoart. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 10:58:11 AM |
Newsflash: The truth does not care what your opinions, your father's opinions or even science's opinions are. It operates quite independently from all of it, intoart.
You are, in effect, parroting exactly what I said in another post. Reality is what it is, and all your belief in steaming piles of BS will not change it one iota.
(You are wrong on one point, though: science does not offer opinions, only proven facts.) | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 11:04:57 AM | | Facts until they are proven wrong, that is. I never claimed to hold an absolute truth, like you have. I also provide "facts," but they aren't the kind that suit you. So be it. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 2:02:35 PM | You are, in effect, parroting exactly what I said in another post. Reality is what it is, and all your belief in steaming piles of BS will not change it one iota.
(You are wrong on one point, though: science does not offer opinions, only proven facts.)
Let me be popular for once on here....."Whose reality, Into, yours or mine or someone elses?" Like webweebl says, the truth doesn't need you to back it up or prove it or try to disprove it. It stands on its on and can throw you a wild card or a wild pitch at any and every turn. We see through a glass dimly but the time will come when we all will see clearly, you included.
Facts are only facts until they are disproven and your "baby" (science/Evolution) could be a bas&*rd. Perhaps a paternity test is in order here. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 5:44:27 PM | | Wow webweebil, and not one snide remark questioning intoart's sexuality. You really do pick who you're going to attack carefully, don't you. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 8:12:39 PM |
Wow webweebil, and not one snide remark questioning intoart's sexuality. You really do pick who you're going to attack carefully, don't you.
Actually, she was pretty much on the defensive to a bunch of snide remarks about spiritual practices. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2008 6:08:27 AM |
Let me be popular for once on here....."Whose reality, Into, yours or mine or someone elses?"
I have addressed this before. There is no "yours, mine, or someone elses" in this context. There is only one reality (and the scientific method is the only valid means of learning about that reality.) | |
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Posted: 10/9/2008 8:43:15 AM | This is the most hilarious forum, in it's entirety, that I have ever read.
I read it again in its entirity myself....it is funny, right?
Sort of reads (myself included) like something from Benny Hill....I opted out on the grounds that I was tired of playing in the playpen and wanted to hang out with the grown-ups for a change.... | |
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Posted: 10/9/2008 8:47:25 AM |
This is the most hilarious forum, in it's entirety, that I have ever read.
Welcome to the nuthouse. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2008 9:28:06 AM |
I was tired of playing in the playpen and wanted to hang out with the grown-ups for a change
Will the grown-ups let you hang out with them, since you are not one yourself? | |
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