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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/11/2008 12:26:29 AM | I wish I would have got in on this conversation earlier. I voted Republican from Reagans first term until W's first term. One reason is that I am a social conservative, not an economic one. Sometime during Bush Jr's first term, I decided that the Republicans really were only helping the wealthy. I also remembered W not only denying Karla Faye Tucker's request not to be executed when he was Gov of Texas, but going on the radio and mocking her. And he is supposed to be Pro-life? I watched TV news reports of mangled Iraqi kids who will never walk again thanks to the US attacks courtesy of W, who is supposed to be Pro-life. Republicans are opposed to Universal Healthcare. What could be more Pro-life than that? I am opposed to abortion, but have had to put the issue aside, as the Republicans are destroying more lives than they are perserving. Don't know if I can bring myself to vote for Obama, so I am thinking of voting third party. And no, I do not think it is a wasted vote.
P.S. to flawedbutfun, McCain's show of courtesy to Obama when the woman called him an "A-rab" was not out of integrity. It was because of all the criticism he is taking for his constant and untrue attacks he has leveled at Obama. Obama is pulling ahead of him in the polls, and analysts think it is because of his anti-Obama speeches. They are backfiring.
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/11/2008 6:38:16 AM |
P.S. to flawedbutfun, McCain's show of courtesy to Obama when the woman called him an "A-rab" was not out of integrity. It was because of all the criticism he is taking for his constant and untrue attacks he has leveled at Obama. Obama is pulling ahead of him in the polls, and analysts think it is because of his anti-Obama speeches. They are backfiring.
There has been much anger at recent campaign stops, someone even yelled 'kill him' as Palin was telling the audience that Obama's friends were terrorist. This election has brought out people's passion for their candidate and disgust against his opponent. But as McCain and Obama has mentioned, they are both decent men that have done much for their country, they love America, but differ on how best to address economic, heathcare, taxes, war, etc.
I will give McCain the benefit of doubt and take him for his word. I know it is easy to be cynical about politicians intention, heck I am that way most of the time, but it really seemed from his heart. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/11/2008 7:24:06 AM | Our system is terribly flawed, with two entrenched parties dancing at the end of strings held by lobbyists and PACs. We may not care much for the figureheads on the tickets.
The problem is this is all we have to work with right now.
You're really voting for the machine behind the "man" (ok, both men this time at least). It is true that once seated the man gains a bit more power over the machine, but the machine lives for decades or centuries while the man holds direct power for two terms at most.
All of this garbage about "character" is misplaced. Look at the last two characters we've had in there. I hope it can't get much worse. It is more a question of whether you want more of the same or you're interested in a change. But even if you're a "change person" don't expect too much too fast. Of course that doesn't mean you should stop pushing.
If you're really happy with the path we've been on the last 25 years, by all means go ahead and vote for more of the same. It's your choice.
But cool down the emoting a little and think hard about what you really want. Don't fall victim to the advertising hype and the packaging. We all want the best for our country and our children, so hopefully we make the best choices we can.
P.S.
Some of these posts make a great supplement to our profiles I'll bet! | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/11/2008 1:36:46 PM | | Personally I don't care if Obama was best friends with a "60's radical". Those 60s radicals had some pretty good ideas compared to wealthy old white guys. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/12/2008 2:48:01 PM | The fact that John McCain is pulling his campaign out of Michigan does not effect my vote. I've already issued my absentee ballot and given it to the fine folks at Saginaw's city hall.
I've enjoyed reading all the posts and seeing all the view points. Is this a great country or what? And I do hope that I may be able to define my view as well as most on this site. For me, political campaigns are basically, Blah, blah, blah, blah. What is it that you, the people, want me to say that would get you would vote for me......That's what I'll say..... It's as easy as that. Words are cheap. I think that a candidate's history is more indigative as to what he or she thinks and what they may do while in office.
I think it's reasonable to assume most want something different than what we currently have. Senator McCain has a history and even though it's brief, so does Senator Obama.
Senator McCain has voted with George W. Bush 95% of the time.... Blah, blah, blah, blah. So he has also gone against party lines, right? He has no problem voting his mind and heart, regardless of the grumblings of the republican party. I'm not aware of Senator Obama's voting record in regards to party lines, however I've been told he voted for higher taxes 94 times in his short career. You, the voter, need to decide if there is a pattern developing here and if you would be accepting of this pattern. Yes, I know what Senator Obama has SAID about taxes, but again, words are cheap.
Senator Obama speaks of CHANGE, yet he comes from the Chicago area where it has been a long standing joke that people there think so highly of their mayors, the Daleys, that they literally climb out of their grave to vote for them. ( I probably can't spell Daley correctly but I do know how to spell - voter fraud. Are you listening OHIO? ) My question is, what change in this political machine did he effect? What is his history in effecting change?
Senator McCain has a history of bucking the republican party and his VP choice has a history of reform, something which is so needed in DC. If their history is a barometer of what we may expect, they are the two people, in my opinion, wh0 we need in Washington at this time. Someone must bring the government back to WE THE PEOPLE.
Okay, I'm done. Time to wake up now.
Just one man's humble opinion.
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/12/2008 4:32:27 PM |
however I've been told he voted for higher taxes 94 times in his short career.
From what I’ve been able to find out he hasn’t voted for higher taxes but he has voted against tax cuts. I’m not a fan of Obama’s but the constant half truths annoy me (about both candidates). He lost me when I heard him say ‘profit tax on big oil’. Anyone who’s had the pleasure (or horror) of learning cost accounting knows what that means for the consumer. I don’t watch or listen to the political ads as they are full of half truths and spins, from both parties, which means I’ve been spending quality time with my MP3 player.
Bush will go down as the worst president in our history, but he will be valuable to future presidents for them to know what not to do while holding office.
Ohio is a joke. There is no other state you can register and vote on the same day. They need to change their laws and go through and confirm their voter rolls. Ohio’s unemployment rate isn’t far behind ours, so they have plenty of people available for the job and, sadly, the outcome of the election has been resting on Ohio.
To put ‘Country First’ we need to ‘Change’ our government.
Or if you prefer
To ‘Change’ our government is to put ‘Country First’ | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/12/2008 4:50:01 PM | It's okay to say you will only vote for Republicans or Democrats, I can accept your party loyalty. What's frustrating is see so many say they are voting for a candidate because of x, y, and z. Where x, y and z are the candidates exaggeration or lies. At least do some research before voting, it's not hard to do. www.factcheck.org is one website, there are others, just google for them.
On the topic of 'change'. How can the incumbent party run their campaign on 'change'. Change from WHAT? Themselves!!!!!!!!!! How Orwellian. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/12/2008 5:26:37 PM | Change????? Change in the way politicians handle themselves is the change to which I refer....I'm extremely frustrated regarding self-serving politics. The government, i.e. the politicians, have been placed in office to serve. To serve whom? WE THE PEOPLE !!!! This, in my opinion is NOT being accomplished. A large government does not serve WE THE PEOPLE, it serves politicians and their lobbists and pac friends.
I believe Senator McCain has a history of bucking party affiliations for the betterment of his constituents, those who elected him. Senator Obama has had the opportunity to prove himself regarding change, the change against corrupt politics, but he either didn't try to buck this system or failed to do it. Either way, change did not happen.
Change, reform need to take place. I'm going with the guy who has a history of going against the "norm".
Just one man's humble opinion.
Dave | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/12/2008 5:51:58 PM | And who has the history against the norm? Surely not McCain. Who knows if Obama does either but I do know one thing.
The republicans got it wrong and we are in our current state because of it so we need to go back and put those regulations in place. Certainly not going to happen with true republican and God help us if Palin takes the reigns. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/12/2008 6:25:53 PM | oh yeah...I forgot, the democrats have done a great job here in Michigan the last four years...gold paved streets for all of us!
What do you have against Palin...the fact that she's a woman? Shes so new there's not much to know about her yet. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/12/2008 8:23:57 PM | Tony, of what current state are you referring? If you are speaking of our country's recent slide to socialism, I'd have to argue. You mention returning regulations so I would suggest that you look at the origination of FMAC and FMAE (Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae) in the Carter era and intensifying in the Clinton era with Janet Reno threatening US lawsuits if crap loans were not premitted by banks.
Then you may want to discover that in 2001, 2002, and 2005 that President Bush and Senator McCain issued calls for regulation on these two fiascos only to be pushed back by the dems and, yes, republicans. Because the "norm" was and still is greed, self-service and arrogance by those WE THE PEOPLE have placed into office. And, YES, Senator McCain has fought against the norm. Senator Obama HAS NOT.
I certainly understand everyone's desire to see change in the White House. But, change is defined as any movement from the status quo. It doesn't necessarily mean that the change would be good. So, once again, it would be important to look at the history.
Again, just one man's humble opinion.
Dave | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/12/2008 8:29:54 PM | Republicans got it wrong? The facts show it's the Democrats that got us in this mess with the mortgages being handed out like candy due to some law they got passed. It's not the President who made this mess.
And as far as blowing people up, there is a big difference in what we are doing in Afghanistan, and to where ever you where referring too, and like any other war, people do die. But I fail to see how we should have just sat on our hands and did nothing after thousands of USA citizens, innocent, non combatant people, got burned alive in NY. Go ahead and support your terrorist buddies and the people who "just live on the same block". Oh wait, that was just his first lie. Later he admitted to knowing these terrorists just a little bit more than just a neighbor. Have you no honor to your fellow countrymen? Do you really feel that our soldiers die every day, just so you have the freedom to BLAME THEM for killing people? No, they do it because they feel they are protecting their loved ones. My God, I've never heard such tripe in my life. Comparing us fighting a war, to terrorists who blow up non combatants. I'm ashamed to be even be in this thread now. I just hope no soldiers read that post. Like they don't have enough already on there minds. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/12/2008 9:20:13 PM | Jakkedup, I would recommend watching a movie that is on the internet called "Zeitgeist". It might open your eyes to who is really running this country. In fact, I would recommend it to most folks, even though there is major holes and exaggeratted assumptions in the religion part of the film.
Yes, McCain has a history as a "Maverick", Sara Palin reminded us of this 16 times during the Vice Presidential Debate. The other night Mike Huckabee's former campaign manager said that McCain has changed since gaining the nomination. He is not the McCain that was a Maverick. Maybe the Shadow Government above our Government got to him...... | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/13/2008 6:13:54 AM | Thanks for the suggestion, but I've always known that it isn't the President, that's for sure. But in times like this, people will always blame him for everything, just as many in this thread have done. But the facts show who is to blame, which has been pointed out a couple times already.
A friend of mine was griping about the price of gas months ago and bashing Bush for it. Bush? He had nothing to do with the price of fuel. Gees, people need to get a grip on reality. Just like today, it's Bush who created this housing mess? Wow... how gullable people are. Words, yes just words, and Obama is using all of them to hoodwink you into thinking it's all Bush's fault. The facts show otherwise.
But hey, maybe Obama will be good for this county. It might be about time we all got a lesson that we will never forget. That morality counts!!!
One thing is for sure. If he is elected President, you will lose your right to bear arms shortly after. So think about that. It will only be criminals who possess firearms.
Now take that Michigan!!!! I'm sure that "change" will do our local Michigan economy a wonderful amount of good. No hunting in Michigan, or any other state, any longer. Hopefully, I'll still be able to use my compound bow, but who knows how far his "gun control" will go. What other rights we have that will be taken away, is anyone's guess. But that one, Obama has already proven that he will take away. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/13/2008 6:16:13 AM |
Then you may want to discover that in 2001, 2002, and 2005 that President Bush and Senator McCain issued calls for regulation on these two fiascos only to be pushed back by the dems and, yes, republicans.
If Bush and McCain (i.e. the GOP) were serious about it they could have done it, as they controlled the White House and the Congress. Me thinks they were not serious about it.
In 1995 McCain proposed an across-the-board moratorium on all federal regulations, but that failed in Congress.
In March 2008 he said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, "I'm always for less regulation.
If McCain was a Democrat, the republicans would be calling him a Flip Flopper, on many issues…abortion, regulation, opposed Bush tax cuts then for them, alternative energy, Jerry Falwell, Bob Jones Univ., campiagn reform, etc….
And, YES, Senator McCain has fought against the norm. Senator Obama HAS NOT.
Let’s look at actions and not rhetoric, McCain vote with Bush 95% of the time. Now that’s Mavericky of him, quite the change agent.
What do you have against Palin...the fact that she's a woman? Shes so new there's not much to know about her yet.
- her position on abortion
- she is against stem cell research
- her vindictiveness in trying to remove others who do not agree with her (chief of police, librarian, public safety commissioner.
- as mayor see hired a lobbyist to get more Federal dollars (earmarks), as Governor she wanted the Bridge to Nowhere funds, etc…now she says she is against earmark spending, very inconsistent of her
- and mostly because she appears so unqualified and unable to handle an important office as the VP.
Do you have anything to support the claim of people not wanting Palin as VP because she is a woman? There is lots to support the racial issue in this election.
You bectcha! | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/13/2008 9:04:12 AM |
...racial issue..
Just what is that? Are you talking about the over 90% support for Obama from the black population? Now that is obviously racially motivated. If it was Clinton running, instead of Obama, that number would be much much less. So just what is this racial issue you are talking about? | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/13/2008 9:16:55 AM | | I think the race issue he's referring to is the fact that the Democrats are seriously worried about dyed in the wool Democrats waffling about who they will vote for because Obama is black. As far as 90% support from the black population, what part of the population would you guess claim to be Democrats? | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/13/2008 1:38:56 PM | Splitting Michigan as he did,--Running away fro THE HIGHEST unemployment rate.
Seems he runs from things to me- SEEMS....
Really upset me,
Too buddy buddy with Bush as I see it. MORE WAR IN IRAQ -- Even said send more troops, FREEZE EVEYTHING!! Too risky for me to think of.
OBAMA here.
I was on the fence until he canned US HERE .... and Palin came along--I just cannot see her as President, if something were to happen- with Biden-- I could,I think he picked her because of the Hillary thing,
It's been really hard to make this decision, BUT for now.
OBAMA has my vote, as it is NOW
JMO
 wish they WOULD BOTH stop the slandering!! | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/13/2008 7:27:36 PM |
Then you may want to discover that in 2001, 2002, and 2005 that President Bush and Senator McCain issued calls for regulation on these two fiascos only to be pushed back by the dems and, yes, republicans. Because the "norm" was and still is greed, self-service and arrogance by those WE THE PEOPLE have placed into office. And, YES, Senator McCain has fought against the norm. Senator Obama HAS NOT.
Ok, so how did all those regulations get removed? Who did it? If not the republicans you are saying the democrats? Hey it's not like I am democrat at heart either but that just goes against the grain doesn't it?
Now lets just go here. Bush never vetod anything until the democrats took control of congress. So if they wanted regulations why didn't they get them?
So you are saying that the democrats controlled everything yet some how being the minority?
So McCain has fought and Obama has not? How? Is it in anyway that matters? I am asking for details I guess. I can be convinced. However up to this point McCain has said absolutely nothing. Just attacks on Obama and most of those are not true based on the facts. | |
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