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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/26/2008 1:02:32 PM | Abortion, Ayers, and all the other value issues that are being posted are far down my issue list. First let's get America moving in the right direction economically, militarily, on global warming, on alternative fuels, and returning us to a leadership position in the world.
All of the divisive issues are distracting what really needs to be addressed. They don't help America one bit. Go vote for your candidate, and no matter who wins give them a chance to fix what is ailing America. Bury your hatred for awhile and give them a chance.
The GOP was given a good 6 years in bushes 8 years of reign to do as they saw fit. Whether you agree with how that turned out, you have to agree they did have the power to put in place their agenda, and they did (Iraq war, Patriot Act, Supreme Court Justices, tax plan, etc.). I for one want a new party in charge and see what they can do, the Democrats did pretty damn good when Clinton was in office, so I wouldn't worry too much about a Democrat controlled Presidency and Congress. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/26/2008 3:48:39 PM | | I think the Bilderburg group decided a while back that Obama would be the next President. Biden's statement about Obama facing an International crisis within 6 months makes me more convinced of this. It dosen't matter what is debated from here on out, the decision has been made for a while now. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/26/2008 6:51:01 PM | | knock knock, excuse me...I didn't slam anyone here. I disagreed with you and what you said. There is a HUGE difference between disagree and slam. This thread is not for the weak spirited, if one can't hang with the big dogs, perhaps they should stay on the porch. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/26/2008 8:24:39 PM | No problem, I've developed broad shoulders being on here this long...lol
I'm neither republican nor democratic any longer, both parties spout so much garbage they could both fill a dump. I'd like to see either party just keep half the promises they make when campaigning but ahhh...pfft, not happening in this lifetime! Pretty discouraging. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/27/2008 8:31:24 AM |
Abortion, Ayers, and all the other value issues that are being posted are far down my issue list. First let's get America moving
Oh yes, never let it be said that the USA ever put "morals" before "money". We wouldn't want that on our conscience now would we.
The GOP was given a good 6 years in bushes 8 years of reign to do as they saw fit...you have to agree they did have the power to put in place their agenda,... Nope, can't agree on that either. I never understood why we have a 2 party system. While one has the oval office, the other undermines anything they can, to see that things fail. Case in point:
It took a BRIBE, to convince SOME Republicans, and no bribe was needed at all to convince the Democrats, since they where unanimously behind killing legislation that would have regulated Fannie and Freddie 3 YEARS AGO. It's noteworthy that Sen McCain signed on as a co-sponsor of this bill and never was targeted for a bribe. But as we all know, there is corruption in every party. So, in summary, the Republicans knew how to fix the problem, the Democrats wanted to see Bush's admin fail, so they where 100% behind killing this bill. To the Democrats rescue comes Freddie Mac to bribe the few needed Republicans that would get this killed. It worked and was killed. So you see, they had the answer and if the Democrats would have worked for the better interest of there country instead of there party, it would have passed and this problem would never have happened.
Freddie could have attempted to bribe both sides, I suppose, but I doubt that the MAJORITY of Democrats and Republicans are corruptible (I could be wrong). This type of bi-partisanship is common place, but yet, you hear it every election on how "I will mend the bi-partisanship". It's all BS. The Democrats did everything in there power to destroy any efforts made to better this country during a Republican held oval office.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/freddie-mac-paid-gop-cons_n_135995.html | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/27/2008 8:38:30 AM | This is even more hilarious and illustrates perfectly just how the Democrats made sure that this country was taken to the cleaners during the Bush administration.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/29/2008 3:22:42 AM | I think the Bilderburg group decided a while back that Obama would be the next President. Biden's statement about Obama facing an International crisis within 6 months makes me more convinced of this. It dosen't matter what is debated from here on out, the decision has been made for a while now.
I don’t think so. If you look back in history, when times are good, we tend to keep the same party in the White House. When things head south, we vote for the opposing party.
How about people quit looking at the color of people's skin and we won't have to ever worry about that issue?
That’s the problem, they haven’t stopped judging people on their skin color. Racism is still a major issue here in the US, but it’s one that nobody talks about or wants to talk about.
Comparing Michigan to Obama is apples and oranges. Michigan rose taxes all over the place hitting the middle class as hard as it could, Obama wants to avoid that (hopefully considering it's very likely now he will win).
It’s not that far off. It’s the MBT and resulting surcharge that did more damage than the income tax increase. What comes to mind is Arcadia Healthcare in Southfield that bolted for the border late last year. That’s the Michigan border btw, Indiana is now home to that company. Arcadia added 400 jobs, some of them high paying (pharmacists) after the move. Easy to do when your new home state offers 6 million in performance based tax credits and a decrease in property taxes and your former state says here you go, a higher tax bill. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/29/2008 6:05:00 AM | jakkedup...
i just need to understand this clearly...
so it's all the democrats fault? republicans should shoulder no responsibility because they were victims of a vast left wing conspiracy that would rather hurt the country to get into power? and republicans do everything right becaaauusseeee... they're good Christians? lest you forget... perhaps we wouldn't have been in the mess in the first place if the republican led gramm leach bliley act didn't deregulate banks and insurance industries to a pre-1929 situation.
republicans have had plenty of opportunity to make us a better nation...
In 1980 when Reagan took office, the U.S. national debt was $ 930 Billion.
In 28 years, with republicans controlling the presidency for 20 of 28 years and the congress for 12 of the last 14 years, the U.S. national debt has increased to $ 10.6 Trillion (estimated increase with $ 800 billion in bailout).
In the eight years of Bush II and with a republican controlled congress for 6 of 8 of those years, we went from an annual surplus to an average annual deficit of $ 560 billion and the national debt has ballooned by over $ 4 trillion.
During the past 28 years, republican legislation signed into law has redistributed 3% of the total U.S. wealth from the 80% of the population middle class and poor to the top 20% rich. There was no trickle down... instead we had trickle on.
We're not talking about McCain being Bush II... we're talking about the consistent Republican platform under Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. It's over for McCain because it needs to be over for the conservative movement and this republican platform. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/29/2008 9:09:09 AM | Michigan is in a recession and facing hard times. Hopefully the next President will do more for Michigan that bush has. Michigan's problems are not easily solved, else I am sure the Governor and Legislature would have done so by now. What would you suggest? Just some background before you answer.
Michigan’s Budget is ~$41.7 billion dollars. Michigan’s Constitution and laws provide for three major divisions – General Fund (~$9.2 billion), School Aid Fund (~$13.1 billion) and Restricted Funds (~19.4 billion). The General Fund contains the portion of the state budget where the legislature makes spending decisions (State Police, higher education, corrections, community mental health, etc). School Aid is for K-12 and the state law specifies how it is allocated. Restricted Funds are restricted by state and/or federal law to fund transportation, revenue sharing with local governments and federal match for Medicaid.
The Single Business Tax (SBT) was expiring 12/31/2007 and Michigan would have loss $1.9 billion in revenue, in addition Michigan faced another $1.8 billion budget deficit due to loss tax revenue from Sales Tax and Personal Income Tax and rising budget cost (the number one being Health Care costs). Since the legislature only controls the General Fund spending (short of passing new laws and/or changing the Constitution) that would have meant trimming the budgets of the State Police, Corrections, Community Health, Colleges, etc by 40%.
To make up for the loss the legislature (Republicans controlled the Senate), and the governor, came up with a new Michigan Business Tax (MBT), included more items under the Sales Tax, increased Personal Income Tax and trimmed spending.
The SBT, and now the MBT, make up for 5% of Michigan’s revenue, Federal money through grants in Medicaid, transportation, etc make up 32% , Sales Tax 21%, Income Tax 15%, Transportation Tax (Fuel) 6%, State Education Tax on Property 5%, Sin Taxes (alcohol, cigarettes, etc) 8%, Other (licenses, lotto, etc.) 8%.
It’s easy to complain and point fingers about Michigan’s woes, but it’s harder to come up with specifics. My specifics would be to cut Michigan employee, retiree and teacher health care cost to be in line with what the average Michigan business provides. I would also, stop incarcerating so many non-violent prisoners (25% of Michigan prisoners) and put them into rehabilitation programs that they pay for, else they go to prison. I like that the MBT attempted to shift business tax away from taxing assets, it needs to go further and be more favorable for businesses that are investing in new jobs, and incent businesses to open shops in Michigan to receive lower taxes on the products/services they sell in Michigan.
Where do you suggest that the Governor and Legislature find savings and/or new revenues? If you want to eliminate the MBT or reduce the taxes on cigarettes/alcohol or reduce the Income Tax – remember it comes out of the $9 billion general fund, unless you are proposing changing K-12 spending or losing Federal money for Medicaid, road repair etc (i.e. if you cut the States transportation dollars you lose Federal grant monies). | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/29/2008 9:48:17 AM | | obama doesn't include israel as an important ally to the united states?...our only middle eastern ally at that...jeez again and again this man shows his ignorance of foreign relations...the robinhood affect, take from the rich and give to the poor...absurd...so the people that went to school, started and worked hard to establish a business, should just want to give it away to the poor?...sounds like the segregation movement of the 70's to me...obama is not qualified to be president, and if he wasn't a black man he would've never even made it to the primaries...i will not vote for someone out of sympathy, minority influence, or personal charisma...michigan always seems to vote the worst candidates in, change indeed, maybe some of our residents could open up their own backyards to bury some of canada's waste...wonder how my sons will feel about taxation for the poor, work hard so someone else doesn't have to work at all? hmmmmm | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/29/2008 10:19:18 AM | | The top 5 % of americans (the wealthy which includes corporations,atheletes and Hollywood pay 43% of the taxes that go toward the poor (welfare,emergency hospitalization ect) and the rest of the middleclass pays the remaining 47%. But now a candidate wants to spread it out....so we pay more and the rich will pay less(why do you think Hollywood is O's biggest contributor. My percentages may be a little off ...just like both candidates | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/29/2008 10:32:35 AM |
the robinhood affect, take from the rich and give to the poor...absurd
When Reagan took office the top 1% controlled ~25% and now it's at 40%. Reagan’s policies - trickle down policy, cutting taxes more favorably for the wealthy, and deregulation - concentrated the wealth in the top 1%. A reverse robinhood effect if you ask me.
Another fact! The richest 10% of Americans control 91.5% of wealth yet pays only 79% of taxes. Somehow that does not seem like they are paying their fair share. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/29/2008 10:39:11 AM | | ? If the 10% pay 79% in taxes, what do you expect them to do,pay 100% and us nothing? From what you just said they pay 79 the rest of america pays 21%...sounds good to me. Beats spreading it out | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/29/2008 11:49:31 AM | I'd rather that they have less of the total wealth, allow for a stronger middle and lower class, where everyone shares the cost for maintaining our basic requirements (infrastructure, defense, social security, etc) and the rest is taxed through usage.
I will support economic policies (regulation, taxing, incentives, grants) that focus on creating manufacturing, professional, well paying jobs and not policies that reward corporations for sending jobs overseas, favor bogus financial instruments that benefit only a few investment bankers, and sells out America for the benefit of a few.
Demonize that as socialism or robinhood effect, but a strong manufacturing, agriculture, professional based America is a strong America. And that America does not exist under NAFTA (unfair trade agreements), trickle down, deregulation, etc policies. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/29/2008 2:26:52 PM | This year....I am flipping a coin when I walk into the voting booth...either way.
Somehow I feel there is a group of people that are manipulating the economy and if it goes to McCain...this group will make it easier for USA to level off the wild months ....and if it goes to Obama..........well.......he will be stuck to figure things out for himself. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 10/31/2008 8:02:55 PM |
The General Fund contains the portion of the state budget where the legislature makes spending decisions (State Police, higher education, corrections, community mental health, etc).
Well, they can start cutting the budget for the prison system by hiring a few more workers. That’ll cut down on the thousands of hours of overtime our current corrections officers need to put in. If you look through the audit that was released recently you can see many ways to streamline operations that will save money. Fix the problems then you can see where cuts are needed, or even if they’re needed. Government, on all levels, is wasteful. Of course, our lovely governor could stop awarding contracts to friends for a building that was not wanted nor needed (new State Police Headquarters). That would have saved a few million.
http://www.audgen.michigan.gov/
I’ve said this before, our current business tax structure (a major headache) is not competitive with our neighboring states and we need to revamp the tax to make us competitive. Why would a new business come to Michigan when they can conduct the same business in Ohio or Indiana cheaper or with fewer headaches? That’s why Arcadia ran for the border. That and the grip unions have on the state is why VW choose Tennessee over Michigan for their new plant. Competitive doesn’t necessarily mean extreme tax cuts, but could very well mean a simpler, steadier business tax. If you can entice business to Michigan, the tax revenue will increase through the jobs they create and the business taxes they pay. We need more than just the prettiest State to entice companies to open here (yes I’m biased).
All the ‘plans’ (said tongue in cheek) both Presidential candidates have made about our economy, free trade, fair trade, blah, blah, blah….what I want to know now is….whoever wins on Tuesday……how in the holy hell are they going to pay for this if it passes??
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-2433
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 11/1/2008 1:18:55 AM | My2cents, there IS a group manipulating the economy. They are called the Bilderbergs. Don't take my word for it. Research them.
MysticRose, you want proof that the Bilderbergs wanted Obama to be President? Just listen to Sarah Palin. Who in their right mind would have made her a running mate? McCain is supposed to lose. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 11/1/2008 2:35:44 AM | | i agree rdtoo...why didn't he take mitt romney?...or anyone besides palin...well even though it probably is a done deal, i'll still be voting...sort of like they might kick my ass but i'll get in one lick | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 11/1/2008 12:08:48 PM | RDtoo ...It was interesting to research this highly elite team of world business leaders..But McCain is also a member of the friends of the Bilderbergs.
I read that Obama and Hillary Clinton were invited in a Secret meeting in Virginia this past Summer. ...they chose Biden as the vice president because he basically will become another Chaney.
It is global and disturbing . | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 11/1/2008 1:38:11 PM | Proof is in the pudding.
Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005
Senate sponsors
Sen. Charles Hagel [R, NE]
Sen. Elizabeth Dole [R, NC]
Sen. John McCain [R, AZ]
Sen. John Sununu [R, NH]
House bill sponsors:
Rep. Richard Baker [R, LA-6]
Rep. Robert Aderholt [R, AL-4]
Rep. James Barrett [R, SC-3]
Rep. Roy Blunt [R, MO-7]
Rep. Geoff Davis [R, KY-4]
Rep. Tom Feeney [R, FL-24]
Michael Fitzpatrick
Rep. E. Scott Garrett [R, NJ-5]
Rep. Paul Gillmor [R, OH-5]
Rep. Jeb Hensarling [R, TX-5]
Rep. Walter Jones [R, NC-3]
Rep. Thaddeus McCotter [R, MI-11]
Rep. Patrick Mchenry [R, NC-10]
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R, FL-18]
Rep. Paul Ryan [R, WI-1]
Rep. Christopher Shays [R, CT-4]
Rep. Frank Wolf [R, VA-10]
Notice that there were no Democrat sponsors. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 11/2/2008 1:13:02 AM | | My2cents, I just found out about the Bilderbergs within the past couple of months. Most people sneer at the idea of a government above our government, but the Bilderbergs are a known factual group. They just are not covered by the Press for some strange reason. I watched a short film on youtube called "the Secret Government" that was made 20 years ago by Bill Moyers. Though the Bilderbergs were not named, it was obvious that it was the same group of people. I started a thread on the Bilderbergs over in the Current Events forum that you might find interesting. | |
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| Take THAT Michigan!! Love , John McCain
Posted: 11/2/2008 5:17:39 AM | The "Secret" is not really "Secret" ....it sounds scary because our little communites have now become global. The basic reasoning behind this THINK TANK (The Bilderberg Group - which is named after a hotel in the Netherlands..the first group meeting of world leaders to begin a world wide THINK TANK) is to understand there there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between many cultures and to pave the way to a medium is to coordinate together who will be on top when it comes to deciding what is best for America....for Europe and for the world.
It should not be .......American against Europe.....we have to get it together SOMETIME!!!...It's a world affair and not Apple Pie and Cracker Jacks anymore.
You know it's coming...........one world dominance...and it's not going to ONE person and ONE vice person to run our country anymore.... It's been around since the 1950's..
The idea of having a President is basically going out the window...and we all know it.
It's not about Joe Plumber going to the voting booth on Tuesday....it's about bigger things that we don't know about...and it's leaking out every day..drop by drop...we just have to listen. | |
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