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Posted: 10/8/2008 8:21:03 AM | RE:STRATDIGGER
Obama was my first first,second and last choice. McCain lost badly last night. I'm still waiting to hear from Republicans, regarding McCain's statement, that he wanted to have the government buy up all of the bad mortgages. You say you want government to get out of the way, well McCain does not seem to agree.
It is not sexist to want someone qualified (Hillary or Meg Whitman), not a soccer mom.Let me ask you a question and be honest....would you vote for yourself? If you say yes....that is part of the problem. But enough about politics....what does strattdigger do, to get in touch with the inner strattdigger? Are you watching the Tyra Banks show or Lifetime? | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 5:17:42 PM | Shoring up bad mortgages, and bail outs --h'aint nuthin new under the sun. They've been done before with different names and by both parties. I was going to write about it, but then figured someone probably already has and sure enough, there's a really well written article on Wikipedia that pertains.
http://en.wikipediadot.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover.
Read it and see if you don't hear the same kinds of things we are hearing today. We've made a lot of progress under both parties haven't we?
My question to each reader here is what are you personally doing about your local issues or national issues? Other than posting opinions and such here, what are you doing?
As to voting for myself, I not only would consider it, I've done it. I'm just as qualified as the next one for many offices, so why not when there's no one I support. I don't vote straight party lines ever, so sometimes I am the best candidate. There have been times when others have even written me in. Write in candidates are a great privilege and I don't know why we don't do it more often.
I no longer believe in the convention or electoral college methods of determining who will represent us. I'm ready to go back to local fisticuffs. I'd love to see an end to political ads since they are just more of the same Madison Avenue pandering to sell you the package and aren't really substantive generally.
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Posted: 10/8/2008 5:27:17 PM | Hey friend. What McCain wants to do is something that has been done before and has been proven to work. (During the depression)I prefer that the government doesnt do this and I am against the bailout plan, which pretty much covers all the mortgages anyway. I have said I don't agree with everything Senator McCain does, if you have been reading my post, you should know this. My decision between the two candidates is based on the fact that Senator Obama wants to raise taxes on my employer and give the money to people I don't know who have purchased a home they can't afford and want me to pay their healthcare. (I say get rid of your cable, buy a used car, live in an apartment you can afford, and then you can buy your own healthcare coverage) I pay for mine and my kids healthcare and I only make 50,000 a year. I drive a decent used car, wear decent clothes and my kids eat well and have a good roof over their heads and are working and paying their own way through college. What's the problem. Well, the problem is that when Senator Obama raises taxes on my employer I can forget my raise being what it would of been. I earned it, not the folks who don't budget. I give to the charities I choose. Senator Obama wants to choose them for me. Senator McCain does not want to raise taxes, does not want to teach sex education in kindergarten (don't call me a liar, Senator Obama wants this and tried to pass a bill as such) (look it up yourself) wants the government to get out the way as much as possible. They ideology of the two can't be farther apart. You want the government to take care of you-vote Senator Obama, you want the freedom of taking care of yourself--vote Senator McCain. As far as tv, I only watch now and then. I like the discovery channel, the history channel, tv land is cool with the old shows. That's about it. Thanks for showing an interest my friend.
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| Bden Palin Debate? Can you believe?
Posted: 10/8/2008 8:02:13 PM | RE: stratdigger
I respect your post, however we may disagree. I believe that most people are honorable and may legitimately need help, such as the victims of Hurricane Katrina, who felt ignored and abandoned based only on their cultural make up. We both want what is best for our beautiful country, our only disagreement is on how we get there. I think Palin/McCain inciting crowds, to yell out threats and racially attack Obama is regrettable and worst yet....racist.
Television is not what it once was, terribly written shows, for the most part. Too many reality shows on television. I loved the Greatest American Hero, remember that one? Incredible Hulk with Bill Bixby and Ferigno? I miss the 80's lol.
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| Bden Palin Debate? Can you believe?
Posted: 10/8/2008 8:09:02 PM | friends4now, you have more smarts than most of us on this thread. So far, I believe what you have said , so far. Keep it up. You are good in what you say. Joe.  | |
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| Bden Palin Debate? Can you believe?
Posted: 10/9/2008 12:55:15 AM | such as the victims of Hurricane Katrina, who felt ignored and abandoned based only on their cultural make up.
friend, it is amazing how far this thread has come from the Palin/Biden debate. lol. But what is done is done, as we say in Louisiana. You see, i am from Louisiana, and I was a part of the rescue and aid operation. Therefore, I feel as though you should be told the story of Katrina. Most, outside of Louisiana and Mississippi do not know the story. We will start at the beginning. The Federal Government had sent over 90 billion dollars to strengthen the levees, (over a 30 year period), however, our wonderful politicians in Louisiana had decided that there was a more proper use for that money, such as building the Mardi Gra fountion in New Orleans, and of course the famous barge canal built by one of our beloved Senator (we call her Senator Mary) If you were from Louisiana, you would know that the hurricane itself did very little damage to New Orleans, however, a certain barge on a certain barge canal (i'll let you put 2 and 2 together) broke loose and floated down the canal where it proceeded to be repeatedly rammed against the levee until (as Led Zepplin has described it) the levee breaks. This is when things begin to become really bad. I myself watched on national tv (just a few days before the storm) as the beloved Mayor of New Orleans refused to evacuate the people in a school bus-"school busses! you better send me some greyhounds"--(I believe that is an exact quote) and guess what. The citizens ended up at the super dome. I myself was the driver of one of hundreds of trucks that were only a few miles from the super dome shortly after the storm. These trucks were loaded with MRE's, bottled water, and hygiene kits. The Governor of Louisiana would not let us in, saying that she did not want more people coming to the super dome. So, while the people at the dome were going hungry and thirsty, there was food an water only a few miles away. The federal rescue operation rescued thousands and thousands of people from the flood in what most would consider a short period of time, considering how massive the operation was. (meanwhile in Mississippi where the storm destroyed practically everything) the people chose to rise up to work together, chose not to blame the federal government, and chose not to loot every store within a hundred miles. So, you see sir, The story of Katrina is one that makes me ashamed of the government of my state, as they chose to play politics with the lives of the people. They chose to stand in the way of the federal aid to help themselves politically. And most of all, it demonstrated how the city of New Orleans, run by the Democratic party for as many years as anyone can remember, had become a small welfare state with the people unable to fend for themselves. This is one of the reasons that I have to vote against Senator Obama. I do not want someone who seems to think that the government is the solution. I want someone who wants the government to get out of the way to allow the people to become self sufficient. Katrina is a story of sadness and many lives lost. It is a story of what happens when the people come to depend on the government to much. And unfortunately it is a story of corrupt politics playing the race card. When Hurricane Rita came ashore just 20 miles south of my hometown and totally devastaed the coastline and shut my city down for more than a month, the people rose up together, black and white and hispanic and all, to overcome on our own and only rely on the government where it was necessary. We were mostly what the news would call white, so we (as in mississippi's case during Katrina) were not played by the media as horrible victims. So, I'm asking you please, do not start the race argument. Let us work together.
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| Bden Palin Debate? Can you believe?
Posted: 10/10/2008 6:12:42 PM | | McCain/Palin- along with their surrogates, have injected race into the public discourse. They have incited their supporters to yell out hateful,violent,ignorant,uneducated and racist remarks.I feel sorry for these people, again education is their Kryptonite. I commend and honor you for your work regarding hurricane Katrina. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2008 6:37:22 AM | It was Obama who injected the race card exemplified by his "I don't look like the others" or "his name sounds sounds different" comments. If you have some evidence McCain, Palin, or any of their staffers injected race, bring it on. There is evidence McCain has gone the extra mile to eliminate any hint of such bias in his campaign while Obama thrives on it.
"Look look, I'm a victim of discrimination!"
Obama has been about profiting from racial divides his entire career. As a "community organizer" and civil rights lawyer, the dual threat of legal action and stirring up community unrest made for a powerful blackmail tool regardless of any guilt on the part of his targets. The fact that his political career was started in the home of an unrepentant domestic terrorist demonstrates Obama's chosen method of operation.
Much of the mainstream press uses factcheck.org to refute revelations about Obama but since Obama and Factcheck.org have close ties that include Ayers, it is clear that factcheck.org should not be used as unbiased. Do your own research on the Annenberg foundation, Woods fund, ACORN, etc. but keep an eye on the source of every web site you read. Many, if not most, are directly from factcheck.org. Press articles you may read are often traceable to factcheck.org as well. And you thought you could find truth on the internet. Its a modern day propaganda machine completely funded and controlled by Annenberg foundation.
Have you noticed how the world's confidence in the economy sinks every time Obama is leading in the polls? | |
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| Barack Obama is Incompetent !!!!!
Posted: 10/11/2008 8:54:38 AM | | I don't understand how Obama can be leading in the polls if he is as incompetent as people say he is in becoming president. Big part of becoming president is to run an effective campaigne. How can Obama become president? " You can look at him and see that he doesn't know anything, right ? " I mean just by looking at people it can be known what they know, right? Who cares that Barack Obama was Valedictorian of Harvard. If he was Valedictorian of Harvard, clearly, he must have been a good guesser. So, we are going to make someone president of the United States because he guesses well? Clearly, he guessed his way through Harvard. You can tell that by looking at him. So what, George W. Bush was only a "C" student at Harvard. The only thing that Barack has over the current president is that he (Obama) was better at guessing. He surely doesn't know more than president Bush. We can tell that by looking at him. | |
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| Barack Obama is Incompetent !!!!!
Posted: 10/12/2008 6:07:30 PM |
I don't understand how Obama can be leading in the polls if he is as incompetent as people say he is in becoming president.
Its not a matter of competence but ideals and character. Obama has run on the concept of being a uniter but has never compromised his left leaning ideals. His entire career is founded on profiting from division. His associations launched his career with an "us against them" mentality but that would not fly with national exposure so he dumped many of his embarrassing associates, or at least made the appearance of dumping them. We cannot know.
Obama is leading in the polls because most Americans can be led like sheep to the slaughter. Just how evil can a well-meaning person be when seeking political power? Just check history. Do I really need to name some of them? How did these characters from history gain such a following and then rationalize to those people such incredible wrongs? The well polished rhetoric of Obama and the naivety of mesmerized followers goes a long way to explaining his lead in the polls. The record of the Republicans in Office should give Obama a landslide but instead, the race is very close. Perhaps the public is a little more wise and a little less mesmerized than Obama would like. Maybe it's their clinging to guns and religion that keep them from worshiping the messiah Obama. | |
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| Barack Obama is Incompetent !!!!!
Posted: 10/12/2008 7:31:48 PM | Pure nonsensical,nominative and "predictable"rhetoric...again. Most educated individuals refuse to be led, they are rather freethinking and choose to be informed as a result.We are not led by Sean Hannity,Bill O'Reilly or Rupert Murdoch.
I can list McCain's associations if you have time? However I would imagine that you would find an avenue of argument, to either support or explain away those associations. It is quite simple to see through your blovations.
The polls being close, are more of a reflection of where we are societally. I surmise that you may have been offended by comments, that were made by Reverend Wright, however I would bet the farm that the following comments/sound bytes, that have emanated from your base, would not bother you in the least. That is very telling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8XmerZEyHE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Xi8JnfAHI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaOYtxd-dXE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhdOWRQ4ddQ&feature=related
Those are racist,divisive and threatening comments made by "your base". Notice any common threads shared among these individuals? Most of them have only a high school education or less. Welcome to your vote base my friend. Who are the individuals being led here? Especially when your candidate has to publicly defend Obama, at his own rallies! McCain proposed/supported legislation in Arizona, that disbanded the curriculum that taught African American History. He also also gone on record, as having opposed the observance of Martin Luther King Day, too many that smacks of bigotry.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/john-mccain-apo.html
You may attempt to paint your argument with whatever brush you choose sir, but the picture will always remain the same. Being a liberal or "left leaning" is not a virus, being progressive is a cure. | |
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| Bden Palin Debate? Can you believe?
Posted: 10/13/2008 6:09:32 AM | I’m very upset… and saddened by Tim Dickinson’s Oct 16th article in the Rolling Stone (must have been a time-warp, but that’s the posting date the article indicates!),
“Make-Believe Maverick, A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty”
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
I knew that McCain wasn’t a saint, but this article paints him as another privileged wealthy white weenie like George W., or even as one of his contemporaries, Senator Ted Kennedy. What the F is going on here?!? Is it not possible to get someone honorable and with some integrity to run this country? Are we stuck with losers like this… and who want to become President?!? (And, yes, I lump Obama into that same group as his history is littered with bad alliances and despicable duties he’s performed, especially as a lawyer for wealthy folk – just search for “Killerspin”!)
Well, if these are the kind of people we vote for, then we deserve all the misery coming!!! 
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| Bden Palin Debate? Can you believe?
Posted: 10/13/2008 6:32:18 AM | | Oh Oh! The world stock markets are jumping up like mad this morning.Will the U.S> stock market do the same? If it does, will Senator Obama look foolish for proclaiming gloom and doom? | |
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| Barack Obama is Incompetent !!!!!
Posted: 10/13/2008 8:04:13 AM |
I surmise that you may have been offended by comments, that were made by Reverend Wright, however I would bet the farm that the following comments/sound bytes, that have emanated from your base, would not bother you in the least.
You can surmise all you want. I am Libertarian, not Republican. I find the term "progressive" to be a good description of anything appealing to short sighted ignorant masses. It worked for Napoleon, Stalin, Hitler etc. all great "progressive" orators. I tend to compare and contrast Obama and McCain and find both to be "progressives" meaning big government but McCain the lesser evil. Since when has big government worked in the long term? It doesn't. Short term positives become long term bloated bureaucracies sucking the life out of a country. People become dependant on the "entitlements".
As for voting base, do you mean those dependant on government handouts who are the strongest Obama supporters? My response has always been: "Pay people to be poor and plenty will take the job." The more you pay, the more poor you will have. That is the Liberal way. Maybe you are talking about labor unions, also very big Obama supporters. So how well have they done to keep the country competitive? Maybe you mean the limousine liberals like the array of celebrities who support Obama between stays in rehab. Perhaps you mean the trial lawyers. The largest financial support for the Democratic party. Edwards is probably the best example of parasitic profiteering from medical providers all the while trying to get even more money by getting the tax payers to put more money into the medical pie the trial lawyers have enjoyed so well. Profiteering from the sick is how Michele Obama made her fortune without helping heal anyone. So just what is the base of the Democratic Party and how is that "better" than the Republicans you hate so much? Your characterization of Republicans is not much different from Obama's. Yup, going to unify alrighty. Keep in mind that when discrimination was a common practice in the South, the south was solid Democrat. Go ahead and play the race card if you like. There is no reason to try to convince Americans who identify as black to consider issues. Its clear, they are voting along racial lines.
Your comments about talk radio hosts is pretty much wasted. Talk radio did their best to sink McCain in the primary and failed miserably. The reality is that McCain served his country and paid a heavy price for it. Obama never did and associated with people who have openly hated the country. When asked the one unspoken "issue" of which candidate has a history of supporting the country, who do think wins? Is patriotism equivelent to ignorance in your mind? It seem to be among many Liberals.
The reason McCain has to defend Obama is because of Obama's past. Even using Obama's real middle name is somehow insulting yet Obama has not taken any legal steps to change his name. Many of his celebrity supporters have changed their names, why not Obama? Then there is the questionable religious affiliations. It served Obama well to have Wright and others as supporters for two decades but when the truth of what these people preach comes out, it is embarrassing. Obama has even confused his own religious affiliation in an interview with ABC. Is it any wonder the public does not trust Obama's values? | |
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| Barack Obama is Incompetent !!!!!
Posted: 10/13/2008 8:32:34 AM | Your best argument was to rehash your same rhetoric/talking points and mention a name change? lol
Perhaps he is proud of his name, as he should be. Secondly, all you did was rehash your last post/talking points. I provided you with factual information, like clockwork you provide me your "predictable" opinions. Shockingly (sarcasm) in your world race is probably not an issue. Obama does not have to reach you, or anyone like you, those individuals show up to McCain rallies. | |
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| Barack Obama is Incompetent !!!!!
Posted: 10/13/2008 9:17:49 AM | Hey friend. Still flame baiting and trying to stir up hate huh?
Anyway. In case you didn't see the game. The last I saw, Florida was crushing Lsu. Don't know what the final score was. Congrats to your state. | |
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| Barack Obama is Incompetent !!!!!
Posted: 10/13/2008 10:10:29 AM |
Shockingly (sarcasm) in your world race is probably not an issue.
Why do you continue to play the race card and rehash your accusations of racism? Personally, I would have preferred Powell run but he refused. Why not compare the Bush admin to any Democrat admin for say African Americans appointed to high office. Being as Obama is not a descendant of slaves and may actually be a descendent of African slave traders, I question the sincerity of his identity with most African Americans.
To get back off your racism chant, my concerns are Obama's associations, Liberal record, and socialist proposals. As for identity, I have been consistent in questioning his qualifications simply because he is a lawyer. It is a parasitic profession and our country suffers because we have far too many. They are a result of too much government. Obama and Biden are both lawyers while neither McCain or Palin are. Under a lawyer's ethics, he is obligated to hide any facts he may know about his paying clients and act in the interest of his paying client no matter what harm such actions cause to others, society, or the country. Compare those ethics to the ethics of any other profession. As a practice, lawyers obscure and twist the truth for their paying clients. They are trained to speak quite well but not trained in economics, medicine, engineering, education, etc. yet they inject themselves in these all the time, especially in the legislature. Can you trust what Obama says about the economy, health care, energy, and education or is he acting in the interest of his paying clients? Note that he is the second largest recepient of donations from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the senate.
You are now free to go back to your mindless racism chanting to avoid discussing character issues. It would be very unlikely I would show up at a McCain rally nor would I troll forums supposed to be for interests of people in another state. This state has enough "yellow dog" Democrats left over from the days when racist Democrats ran this state and others such as Florida. | |
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| Barack Obama is Incompetent !!!!!
Posted: 10/13/2008 10:33:47 AM | re: sstratdigger
I was not addressing you(I will let you know when I am), somehow I knew you would inject yourself into the discussion.I did not see the game. :-)
Dave: I provided you factual proof of such and you provide me a character thesis, more of your "Libertarian" viewpoints. I have already addressed you in length, with no further need to do so sir. Insulting my commentary as mindless, is not a valid rebuttal.Always remember, being the loudest one in the room, does not equate to being the most knowledgeable one in the room.
By the way to government under the Bush administration has grown to be the biggest in over 40 years.
http://mises.org/story/2116
I await your opinions. | |
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| Barack Obama is Incompetent !!!!!
Posted: 10/13/2008 12:01:38 PM | Hey friend. Glad ya recognized me. lol.
Anyway, I want your take on Senator Obamas speech today. He said he wanted to give a tax break to all small businesses that create jobs. Now, I know that God and everyone else heard Senator Obama in both debates saying he wants to raise taxes on all Americans and businesses that make over 250,000. Why has he changed his mind and jumped onto the President Bush bandwagon? President Bush and Senator McCain have been preaching tax breaks for years. You cannot deny this is a flip flop on Senator Obama's part. I, however am not interested in that. Why would he suddenly want tax breaks where just a few days ago he wanted to increase those taxes. Help me out friend | |
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| Barack Obama is Incompetent !!!!!
Posted: 10/13/2008 12:22:07 PM | Opinion 1: Youtube snippits of a supporter as proof of some universal truth about all supporters fails the logic test although it works for the type of person featured in the clip. You can find just about any supporting data for anything you want on the internet. If you are powerful enough, you can even create a source like the Annenberg foundation did in creating factcheck.org. Obama and Ayers have both been involved in it. Its a modern day version of soviet style control of information and those with controlled information don't even know it.
Opinion 2: You need to take off your blue tinted glasses. They distort your point of veiw. Your bias prevents you from examining the real issues. When discussing selection of a leader, temporary issues are secondary. The character of the person you select is what stays after the other issues have passed. The press has been very favorable to Obama. They have not dug into his past with near the viciousness they have gone after Palin. Then again, much of the press uses factcheck.org as it reference.
Opinion 3: Yup, Bush let government grow. Unlike the Clinton admin, Bush did not have his whole legislature change hands with a mandate to cut government growth. Those same "reformers" became incumbents and proved they could spend as bad as those they replaced. The most important point of their "contract with America" they failed to pass was term limits. Gee what a surprise.
I hope I didn't keep you waiting too long. My appologies to those with short attention spans or lack of ability to grasp complex issues.
From you own source:
Since 1959, we have suffered from the Great Society, the war on poverty, price controls, increasingly burdensome environmental regulations, the establishment of the Department of Education and its increasing federal control over local schools, Federal Reserve created recessions, agricultural price supports, minimum wage laws, and energy policies that keep oil and gasoline prices high.
Sounds pretty much like a Libertarian rant to me.....gee, it's a Libertarian site. Who would a thunk it. Suggest you read more. Did most of the government growth originate with Republicans or Democrats? As for the MLK holiday, do we really need another PAID holiday for government workers and bankers? | |
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