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 Saxon King

Joined: 10/14/2008
Msg: 226
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Posted: 10/22/2008 6:22:36 PM

saxon king, I think it's all of you oral-sex-obsessed people who need help, not me.

I am not obsessed at all! As I posted before, if it not your cup of tea then thats fine.
I just don't see what there is to gain by talking down to those who like to.

P.S. Denial won't get you help any faster!
 MsMicki

Joined: 10/2/2006
Msg: 227
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Posted: 10/22/2008 6:51:18 PM

NinkiNo need to justify. But...It just does not belong in the mouth in the first place! No matter what the porn industry tells you. It only belongs in the vagina.


what about those of us that were swallowing long before we ever watched porn?
maybe......we just like it!

There is absolutely no need to justify whether u do or don't.....or put down others to make yourself feel better about "not doing it". Just because I do....doesn't mean you have to.....OR.....that I'm wrong for doing it.
 Ninki

Joined: 4/11/2005
Msg: 228
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Posted: 10/23/2008 4:42:34 AM

Just because I do....doesn't mean you have to.....OR.....that I'm wrong for doing it.


But that is exactly what most people seem to imply. That I'm wrong for not liking it and that I need to get over my 'hang-up'.

N.
 patcoboy

Joined: 10/30/2007
Msg: 229
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Posted: 10/23/2008 4:47:56 AM
ive been married twice and both my ladies were my soulmates...thet loved my come and both told me to come in their mouths whenever,even if they were sleeping....we were so much in love...the sex was tremendous...both my ladies were big time squirters and i happily lapped it up...there nothing like it..if yer wondering both my mates have passed on...i miss them terribly
 GishGirl1

Joined: 12/8/2007
Msg: 230
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Posted: 10/23/2008 4:54:57 AM
they meaning women??? so we are grouped into a " not liking to taste cum after blowing u"
ha....too funny!

we are not all the same. some do in fact love to taste the man they just pleased!
 patcoboy

Joined: 10/30/2007
Msg: 231
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Posted: 10/23/2008 5:18:19 AM
thanks gish girl....when you are so into someone,its just soooo good...everything....so special...one of lifes great pleasures
 sluttyblkgrl

Joined: 8/22/2008
Msg: 232
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Posted: 10/23/2008 11:26:40 AM
just because my username incorporate the word slutty dont get it twisted with my everday lifestyle. I am very sweet next girl type who simply act like one in the bedroom.
 DooLee

Joined: 5/12/2007
Msg: 233
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Posted: 10/23/2008 12:00:34 PM
I can positively say that if I was a woman, I would not swallow every man's cum simply on the basis that I was 'working towards something' .

Some men seem to think like primates, in that their penis is wet and warm and life is good, all is good, just can't wait, say a few bits here and there, explode, wow, awesome, want a drink? How about some gum?

It's a two way thing.
If a woman isn't going to swallow your cum, chances are, you're not making her cum. It's got to be a two way experience. Sure there are****cravers, penis worshipers, women who live for it. These women are typically employed, and paid well (with makeup and fluffing available). Meaning you won't typically encounter them.

Most women like knowing they're providing more than... a service.
I mean to say it should mean something, it's something special, or amazing, or etc. Think about when you give head. If you answered 'I don't give head' then buddy... you're asking too much by this authors opinion, and I can already address why most (if not all) are not providing the complete fellatio package with consumption services.

You want porn star service, you've got to be a porn star yourself.
A physical experience can never be a half way deal. Guys don't like ragdoll women, and women don't like doing it in ONE position ALL the time.

On a side note: If every night, a woman sat you down for a shotglass full of warm syrup laden with lemon, or at worst, baking soda, I think you may have something to say about 'the end goal'.
Sometimes the ends don't justify the means, and sometimes the means justify the ends.

Holy crap, long post... okay,
Summarization(){
If male want female to drink cum abridged:
Play with Female's titties, speak soft kind words (or raving loud words), and caress other parts of body as accessible (including throat and face). Looking into eyes is optional. Don't stare.

Golden Rule. Never, under any circumstances, whether it's her birthday or yours, surprise them. This is viewed as bad practice.
}
 ThirdChakra

Joined: 2/29/2008
Msg: 234
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Posted: 10/23/2008 12:04:04 PM
Could be any number of reasons. She might have had a bad experience before. She could have been forced to do that, when it wasn't in her best interest.

It's also possible that you might not taste good to her because your reproductive system is out of balance (happens with female yeast infections) because you're diet is missing those essential vitamins & minerals:)

There's the possibility also that you're not satisfying her to a point where she wants to feel like she's yours. Ask yourself if you're turning her on as much as you could beforehand.

Releasing your energy in that way, I think, is a gift. That's your 'chi', dude. Your male energy that you are sharing with her. Does she deserve it?

Grant
 LiL Meggie

Joined: 7/10/2008
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Posted: 10/23/2008 12:21:30 PM
Actually not all girls have a problem with it, I know I dont have a problem with it, depending on how it taste, but usually I like the taste of it. But everyone is different. Some girls love it, some girls hate it, just like some guys hate performing oral on girls, and some love it, works both ways.
 graywolfe81

Joined: 8/11/2007
Msg: 236
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Posted: 10/23/2008 12:35:59 PM


That's very easy to say from a female perspective. But let's turn the tables and envision women being commonly denied something sexually that turned them on.

I would venture to say they would be widely perceived as victims who are being deprived, and simply need a "real man" who's willing to step up to the plate for them. (trust me, you'll see this point proven in these very forums)

For every woman who has a man who won't do a specific sexual act for her, there's hundreds of men with a super hero complex more than willing to do it.

And believe me, she will have it much sooner and easier than the man looking for a woman to perform taboo acts for him.

She can call her Superman and have his caped ass flying through her window before she even hangs up the phone.


Agreed Validar, I am perplexed by the responses here. The automatic qualifyer is that noone should ever do something they do not want to do. That's automatic, I would never ask that of anyone i was with, and to do so, is absolutely unacceptable. However, I will say this, I do not understand the responses here. Happy to get a bj at all? How many women would be as Validar puts it, hear "happy to get cunnilingus at all" and not immediately think a man saying such a thing would be a world class scumbag? Not many.

If you hate it, you hate it, and you shouldn't do it, but I've always found that when it comes to love and relationships, a lot of seemingly closed doors open through intimacy, communication, and the desire to see your partner/lover in the throes of an ecstasy that you provided. Reading threads like this reminds me of how lucky I've been over the years in having partners with far more open doors than closed one's when it comes to sex, and it's been completely reciprocated.
 graywolfe81

Joined: 8/11/2007
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Posted: 10/23/2008 12:52:23 PM

Maybe the best way for you to understand is for you to experience it. The next time your girlfriend grants oral sex have her feed some of it back to you... then you'll know why!


All men who give their lovers oral have experienced this plenty of times. Some seem to assume that if a guy gives oral it's a dry, tasteless experience. It is is anything but that, particularly if you're doing it well. Just like among men, the taste is often different, the degree of how wet you get giving is different, but there is little doubt that pleasing a woman with oral is going to get your face and chin plenty wet, and your mouth will at least end up a bit full. This "then you'll know why" stuff is ridiculous to me.
 abelian

Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 238
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Posted: 10/23/2008 2:17:33 PM
Common sensically, women would not be able to "fake" orgasms if there was a significant amount of fluid expelled upon orgasm. For the most part, a man cannot fake an orgasm.


Considering the amount of fluid that accompanies peforming oral sex on a woman whether she has an orgasm or not, what's the difference? I'm sure I swallow a lot more than the amount of ejaculate from a male. The amount of ejaculate produced by a male is typically between 1.5 ml and 5 ml. The very high end, 5 ml is equal to 0.17 Oz or approximately 1 teaspoon. In addition, a woman can always take the fluid in the back of her throat and never have to taste it.


There's also the fact that HIV is more readily transmitted in heterosexual cases from male-to-female rather than female-to-male. This is has to do with amount of bodily fluids exchanged. More semen is produced than vaginal fluids (again, squirters set aside).


As noted above, the amount of fluids produced by a male is very small. I seriously doubt it's less than a woman produced while she is receiving oral sex, at least not if my personal experience indicates anything.

That argument regarding HIV is a non-starter for oral sex. A study done by the USCF Center for AIDS Prevention Studies places the risk of contracting HIV from an infected male partner, for the recipient of oral sex at approximately zero.

http://pub.ucsf.edu/newsservices/releases/2003123065/
 brown*eyed*angel

Joined: 8/1/2008
Msg: 239
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Posted: 10/23/2008 3:30:55 PM
If all guys tasted the same....and that taste was chocolate...then I am sure more of us would swallow. But that is not the case, some guys taste nasty....or maybe its just cause we like having it all over our face. Cant be that bad now can it.
 invu3

Joined: 1/6/2006
Msg: 240
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Posted: 10/23/2008 4:12:30 PM

Considering the amount of fluid that accompanies peforming oral sex on a woman whether she has an orgasm or not, what's the difference? I'm sure I swallow a lot more than the amount of ejaculate from a male.


Unless you can distinguish how much of that fluid is your own saliva and how much is vaginal fluid, I really don't think you have much of an argument. Even if you are swallowing more, you aren't swallowing it all at one time, now are you?


In addition, a woman can always take the fluid in the back of her throat and never have to taste it.


It's called a gag reflex, it's very real in many women. So, no, a woman can't "always" do this.


That argument regarding HIV is a non-starter for oral sex. A study done by the USCF Center for AIDS Prevention Studies places the risk of contracting HIV from an infected male partner, for the recipient of oral sex at approximately zero.


The argument had nothing to do with oral sex itself so I really don't know what the point of your link was. It was a point simply made that shows that the amount of bodily fluids produced my men is more than that produced by women. If they were the same, HIV transmission between the two wouldn't be so disparate.
 Willsniffurundies

Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 10/23/2008 4:14:53 PM
Invu,
See abelian and his latest post.
No need for both of us to say the same things.
A lot of people think that if you call the way they think or an idea they have "stupid" that you are calling THEM stupid. That's all.
perhaps I should not have said people were "bothering" you. Perhaps i should have said you would not have to waste so much time defending yourself. . .or at least LESS if you would not use the word "stupid".
That's all. I just think this topic has pretty much gotten old and it is time to just close the thread.
One last comment regarding quantity: from my own personal experience. . .when i pleasure women with my mouth I tend to end up getting my face soaked to the point where I can taste it.
Mind you, when I make love the woman I am with has multiple orgasms and I only have one.
Perhaps the whole idea of MULTIPLE orgasms is a factor that needs to be considered as well before settling on an opinion.
Anyway, gotta go, I am going to go give some of those multiple orgasms I mentioner earlier RIGHT NOW!
 Rhode Island guy 60

Joined: 10/7/2008
Msg: 242
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Posted: 10/23/2008 4:41:07 PM
I love to kiss her after I cum in her mouth. I don't mind the taste and its a turn on.
I will even go down on her after I cum in her...she cums like crazy......its naughty.
 abelian

Joined: 1/12/2008
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Posted: 10/23/2008 4:42:29 PM
Unless you can distinguish how much of that fluid is your own saliva and how much is vaginal fluid, I really don't think you have much of an argument.


Considering that women produce enough fluid to get their panties wet (not to mention the sheets or that it's visibly evident that it's flowing), I'm willing to go out on a limb and say I do have argument.

Even if you are swallowing more, you aren't swallowing it all at one time, now are you?


Why is that better? Basically, you are expecting people to beieve that it's worse simply because you don't want to do it and you don't want to say you just dislike it without injecting some unarguable objective reason for it. You don't have such a reason. Would you be willing to swallow it a little at time by licking it up? I doubt it and _even_ I wouldn't expect a woman to do that.

The argument had nothing to do with oral sex itself so I really don't know what the point of your link was. It was a point simply made that shows that the amount of bodily fluids produced my men is more than that produced by women. If they were the same, HIV transmission between the two wouldn't be so disparate.

Since you wrote:

There's also the fact that HIV is more readily transmitted in heterosexual cases from male-to-female rather than female-to-male. This is has to do with amount of bodily fluids exchanged. More semen is produced than vaginal fluids (again, squirters set aside)
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Exactly what was your point then? This thread is about oral sex. Second, the difference in infection rate between men and women does not neccessarily have anything to do with the volume of the fluids. HIV infection occurs if the virus can reach the blood stream. If fluid volume was the overriding factor, the chances of being infected by a needle puncture would be small, since the volume of fluid exchanged is very tiny compared with the fluids with which one is in contact during sex. Volume is only one factor. Furthermore, givin the data from the link I posted, your comments regarding HIV are irrelevant to this topic.

Stop trying to rationalize your dislike for swallowing with pseudo scientific arguments. The fact is you dislike it and for some reason, you are bothered by those who do like it or those who might expect reciprocity. If you don't like it, fine. Don't do it. Just stop trying to convince others that you have some moral high ground with respect to guys who want their partners to swallow and who do not want to date women who do not. You have no more justification for not wanting to swallow than I have for not wanting to date women who don't swallow. I quit buying into the idea that guys ought to be grateful for what women decide to throw at them a long time ago. I don't have to settle for less than I expect, so I'm not going to settle for less.
 regularguy1000

Joined: 9/30/2008
Msg: 244
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Posted: 10/23/2008 6:11:39 PM
It can depend on how the woman is into you...if she really likes you, she may well swallow...if she is not so keen she might not...

some like to swallow and find it part of the experience, sexy even, others are not so keen on it....
 spicynicegirl

Joined: 8/10/2008
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Posted: 10/23/2008 6:18:58 PM
I totally agree with patcoboy's comments. When you are soooo into someone, everything is wonderful and you enjoy every aspect of sex.
 invu3

Joined: 1/6/2006
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Posted: 10/23/2008 6:48:21 PM

Even if you are swallowing more, you aren't swallowing it all at one time, now are you?


Why is that better? Basically, you are expecting people to beieve that it's worse simply because you don't want to do it and you don't want to say you just dislike it without injecting some unarguable objective reason for it.


Not saying it's better, just tired of seeing the two compared when they're vastly different in my opinion. I find the whole "well we swallow when we go down on women so they should swallow too" argument completely weak.


The argument had nothing to do with oral sex itself so I really don't know what the point of your link was. It was a point simply made that shows that the amount of bodily fluids produced by men is more than that produced by women. If they were the same, HIV transmission between the two wouldn't be so disparate.

Since you wrote:


There's also the fact that HIV is more readily transmitted in heterosexual cases from male-to-female rather than female-to-male. This is has to do with amount of bodily fluids exchanged. More semen is produced than vaginal fluids (again, squirters set aside)
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Exactly what was your point then? This thread is about oral sex.


Someone specifically asked about differences in quantity about male and female cum. That was my reply that the quantities are different and that males produce more.


If fluid volume was the overriding factor, the chances of being infected by a needle puncture would be small, since the volume of fluid exchanged is very tiny compared with the fluids with which one is in contact during sex.


The chance of getting HIV from a simple needle puncture IS small. There were less than 60 documented cases of this happening over a 20 year period. If you're talking IV drug users... well, you said it yourself, the virus has to reach the bloodstream. IV drug users using contaminated needles are injecting the virus DIRECTLY into their bloodstream, so what do you think is gonna happen?

With sex, the virus has to get through the mucus membranes and into the bloodstream. The more fluid there is, the better this can be accomplished. Because males produce more ejaculatory fluid than females this is why HIV transmisson between heterosexuals is more efficient in the male-to-female direction than the other way around. I'm not going to argue that point anymore because it's a fact that will clearly make itself evident if you do the research.


Stop trying to rationalize your dislike for swallowing with pseudo scientific arguments. The fact is you dislike it and for some reason, you are bothered by those who do like it or those who might expect reciprocity. If you don't like it, fine. Don't do it. Just stop trying to convince others that you have some moral high ground with respect to guys who want their partners to swallow and who do not want to date women who do not. You have no more justification for not wanting to swallow than I have for not wanting to date women who don't swallow. I quit buying into the idea that guys ought to be grateful for what women decide to throw at them a long time ago. I don't have to settle for less than I expect, so I'm not going to settle for less.


Lol, I don't have to rationalize anything and there's nowhere on this thread where I have done such a thing. I don't like swallowing cum, I don't have to justify that to you or anyone else. If a girl wants to swallow, that's her thing and I don't think I'm better or lower just because I choose not to swallow so I don't know where this moral high ground BS is coming from. I even told YOU that if you only wanted a woman that swallowed that was all good, that's your choice. I never said for anyone to be grateful for anything because I personally find that to be BS too. But whatever, you obviously have a problem with making assumptions.

My problem is the BS equality argument and all I've been doing is pointing out what I find to be flaws with it.
 Saxon King

Joined: 10/14/2008
Msg: 247
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Posted: 10/23/2008 7:09:13 PM
I'd rather deal with a woman that doesn't swallow then all of these long azz drawn out medical post! When will some people realize that sometimes the less said the better?

A bunch of fools arguing with fools over nothing! Besides who's the doctor giving out actual information here?

You don't have to swallow it for me! I'm all good either way!

King size it!
 invu3

Joined: 1/6/2006
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Posted: 10/23/2008 7:12:16 PM

I'd rather deal with a woman that doesn't swallow then all of these long azz drawn out medical post! When will some people realize that sometimes the less said the better?


Aww, does intelligence make your brain hurt? =)

But seriously, skip over them. No one's making you read them.
 abelian

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Posted: 10/23/2008 7:50:31 PM

Not saying it's better, just tired of seeing the two compared when they're vastly different in my opinion. I find the whole "well we swallow when we go down on women so they should swallow too" argument completely weak.

Then stop using the reverse argument. I would never have mentioned it had you and the other no swallowing zealots not made it THE issue. If you're going to make an issue of it, I'm happy to run with it, so thanks for discrediting the argument. I do expect women to reciprocate and if they choose to not do so, they can find guys who are content with a one-sided relationship. I'm not. If your judgment regarding my estimate that about 1/2 of the women do this is as high as you seem to think, I'm not sure why you aren't gloating privately that I'm going to severely restrict myself instead of being such a zealot for the anti-swallowing sisterhood. Personally, I'd rather not date women who are repulsed by that sort of thing. It's a real buzz-kill to limit the options.

Someone specifically asked about differences in quantity about male and female cum. That was my reply that the quantities are different and that males produce more.

And, as I pointed out, men produce about a teaspoon, max, which casts your assertion very much in doubt.

The chance of getting HIV from a simple needle puncture IS small. There were less than 60 documented cases of this happening over a 20 year period. If you're talking IV drug users... well, you said it yourself, the virus has to reach the bloodstream. IV drug users using contaminated needles are injecting the virus DIRECTLY into their bloodstream, so what do you think is gonna happen?

If that means you aren't going to try and bring up the HIV red herring again, fine. I wasn't the one who brought it up. Thank you again for emphasizing the fact that the path to the bloodsteam is an important factor. That was exactly my point.

Lol, I don't have to rationalize anything and there's nowhere on this thread where I have done such a thing.

All you've done is try to rationalize it and you've spent most of your reply continuing to do so rather than just say you don't like it and let that stand on its own. I don't care if you (or anyone else) doesn't like it. That's your (and their) prerogative. Trying to justify it with all sorts of lame reasoning that is intended to make your personal preferences appear to be an objective basis for your preferences is not your prerogative.
 snazzy73

Joined: 8/31/2007
Msg: 250
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Posted: 10/23/2008 7:54:39 PM
why in the sam hell would I spit out something that I worked to get?!? Why would I spit out something I enjoy teasing from him? That just don't make no damn sense to me.
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