| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/6/2008 6:11:10 PM | I've always liked the concept of everything being in superposition and only taking shape when there's an observer. Since we are our own observers our perceptions of our world remain stable, because that's the truth we believe in.
This would suggest that if we found a way to hack our own mind we'd be able to shape our environments. Granted enough people observing same thing we're in tune with you and their perceptions didn't clash.
Just some wild speculation.... | |
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| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/6/2008 8:23:25 PM | Dean Rabin is considered "flaky" in scientific circles.
I always get a chuckle out of statements like this.
Einstein, Plank, Bohr, Heisenberg , Schrödinger, etc - the list goes on and on. Every one of the affore mentioned scientists who offered a new or controversial view is considered "flaky" in scientific circles - these same scientific circles tend to sound like politicians doing the DC two step after the initial premise is explored and new insites are revealed. Some of the information is controversial yes, but I'd wait to pass judgement because maybe I just don't know everything.
Ramtha's School of Enlightenment funded the fable and offers you a chance to be a QM mind reader for 5 grand.
Have you been there? Does it really cost that much? Are you speaking from first hand experience? | |
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| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/13/2008 9:37:48 AM | Einstein, Plank, Bohr, Heisenberg , Schrödinger, etc - the list goes on and on. Every one of the affore mentioned scientists who offered a new or controversial view is considered "flaky" in scientific circles
I think someone needs to go back and read their history of physics. Perhaps even one of my articles will do. There is a big difference between offering controversial but testable, or at least theoretically testable theories, and offering up ideas that could, through ad hoc explanations, be "confirmed" no matter the outcome of the test. The former are controversial, the latter are "flaky." While there were scientists who disagreed with all of the above, if you can identify any scientist who thought they were these scientists were beyond the bounds of science and the scientific method (as opposed to belief in the validity of their theories), I would be in shock. Finding scientists who consider Dean Rabin as beyond the realm of scientific reason is as easy as going to your local physics department. Indeed, finding an established scientist who thinks Rabin uses science appropriately would be darn near impossible. To use a Popperian analysis his theories are not falsifiable and are therefore unscientific. Einstein initially challenged QM because he could not believe that "god played dice with the universe." Still, he eventually reconciled himself to the scientific evidence. | |
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| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/13/2008 10:55:25 AM |
ESP and some form of telekinesis I believe to be true. The mind can be can be very powerfull just look at people who meditate to empower themselves and those who have the power to heal themselves from illness
That's different than telekenesis and ESP. That's called Bio-Feedback, and it's generally accepted by the scientific community. It's in the same vein of those contortionists and hinduists that have the power to stop their own heart, etc.
It's pretty much the act of taking control of your subconscious body functions and applying a conscious focus... EG: Willing your body to produce more white blood cells to combat infection, etc. | |
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| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/18/2008 1:29:51 PM | I tried really hard to move something with my brain....I couldn't do it.
As for there being a subconscious knowledge I do actually believe in that. Sometimes you just get "feelings" and you know they are true but its unpredictable when it will strike and not something I can command. From what I've heard, the big issue isn't a debate on whether or not it's going on but we have no way of knowing until after the fact what is the truth versus what is speculation so it's accuracy is not so accurate.
This knowledge is sometimes too precise to be a fluky guess so we know "something" is definitely going on there. I find that web bot that predicted 9/11 quite interesting. It's all definitely research worth pursuing. | |
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| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/21/2008 12:52:34 AM | Telekinesis is the manipulation of matter, not changing it (like manifesting fire where there is none). Specifically two schools of telekinesis would be Pyrokinesis, accelerating the spin of atomic structures to cause them to heat up, and Cryokinesis, the exact opposite.
I've done tons of research on Psychokinetics (the broad terms for paranormal abilities/phenomena), mainly to classify it's individual arch-types and schools for use in a fictional universe. Outside of remote viewing and random number influence, there's no studies done with real scientific-method. Especially Telekinetic and Telepathy have the most 'accounts' recorded, but it's all he said/she said type stuff, first hand witness accounts are rare to find documented and usually follow the lines 'out of the corner of my eye I glanced it'.
Sure I believe the stuff is possible, just not until we evolve a lot farther, or like someone else mentioned, use technology to augment ourselves to do so. | |
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| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/21/2008 2:03:45 PM |
Since I started reading on the "Pineal gland" my thoughts have turned to peraps this is where ESP ,dreams and visions come from. I wonder about birds, when they fly in a flock with arial manovers...seems everyone gets the same message ,at the same time...amazing to see...even schools of fish all acting as one in movement.
I think once we learn how to activate own Pineal Gland as it is intended ,then we will have many of the question of life answed
I've been studying 'spontaneous order'. It seems to be along the same lines as this. The example used was one firefly in a room blinking, then others arrive blinking in different rhythms, then after a short period of time, they all start blinking at the same time in the same rhythm.
I would like to know more about this. | |
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| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/21/2008 2:06:11 PM |
That's different than telekenesis and ESP. That's called Bio-Feedback, and it's generally accepted by the scientific community. It's in the same vein of those contortionists and hinduists that have the power to stop their own heart, etc.
Sounds like the same methodology used by Scientologists in making someone a "clear". When a person is reminded of a marker in their life, an electric shock is administered by a machine. | |
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| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/21/2008 5:40:19 PM | Just because a study comes from a well known university doesn't guarantee it's veracity. Reminds me of a thread from another forum dealt with the effects of ki/chi (eastern concept of internal energy) and it's effects on cancer cells, published by Oxford University:
http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=15981697&page=1&fpart=1&vc=1
Problem was the study was very limited in scope, and the guy that was the basis of the study had a clear agenda to sell something. And anything is possible once - but if it's not reliably repeatable, then it's useless.
Moral? Don't believe everything you read. | |
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| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/27/2008 9:30:29 PM |
I think someone needs to go back and read their history of physics
Missing the point there prof 48, that being - the reply was directed at a specific posters vague insinuations - as in, nothing verifiable. Who are these mysterious "scientific circles"
As far as his-story goes, with everyone of the previously mentioned scientists, there has been and still is controversy with all of their theories, respectively, from "scientific circles"
That would be the point.
I find it funny how people find it so easy to criticize 'studies' that produce unfavorable results or results related to 'ridiculous conspiracy theories', but fail to criticize studies that produce socially accepted results which have the same flaws
Great point Irespire, and perhaps a topic for a different thread
Conventional wisdom dictates societal collective consciousness. Something like the flat earth syndrom. One has to be willing to stand up for what they believe and prove it. Many folks don't like the ambiance outside of the box - makes them uncomfortable.
Question everything. | |
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| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/28/2008 8:54:05 AM |
Sounds like the same methodology used by Scientologists in making someone a "clear". When a person is reminded of a marker in their life, an electric shock is administered by a machine.
Eh? Biofeedback is more of a conscious control over the autonomous and unconscious motor functions our brain regulates every day:
White Blood Cell Production - You can take partial control over this, and 'will' your body to increase the the production of white blood cells.
With enough training, you can take control over your heart-rate. None of these processes are really a stretch as their is no real 'telekenesis' going on. most of these function are already regulated by your brain, but by a part of the brain that works subconsciously and you don't have to be aware of every moment. Biofeedback in concept is simply learning to control and take command of those functions consciously. | |
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| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/28/2008 5:32:16 PM | There are a few people in the world who are very good at Astral Projection. You may even know someone who is capable of it that might visit you occasionally. In this state, although invisible, they are able to read thoughts, thus they are capable of ESP. They are also able, although they possess only the strength of their etheric body, to affect material objects, such as removing a telephone cord from its jack, or detectably touching a person, so they are also capable of telekinesis.
If we are capable of such feats in the out of body/altered state of consciousness, then we must all possess these abilities but may assume they remain latent until either developed by mind altering exercises or brought on by a traumatic event or emergency situation; or death. | |
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| Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena
Posted: 10/28/2008 7:41:12 PM | As an aspiring physicist, with a background in some Quantum Mech:
The collapse of a wave function as a result of measuring it, isn't and more than likely, never will be, related to ESP studies, and other sorts of fields.
Simply because QM is a science based on chance, does not give someone the right to claim influences upon it simply because they cannot easily be proven false. (IE: Null hypothesis that was discussed earlier in this thread.)
I don't see anyone trying to suggest that we can have ESP as a result of F=ma. Or E = T +V, or any other mechanical system.
Maybe once we start to teach QM in our grade schools, will we finally start to have fewer people grasping false limbs in the trees of physics as "evidence" of their fringe-science claims.
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