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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/28/2009 1:32:11 PM | Ever thought about basing an opinion on fact, rather than 'bigotry' or 'ignorance'?
The term 'gay community' is much used by the....er....gay community.
Oooh, look - here's an example:
http://www.gcn.ie/
I'm basing my opinion on how ridiculous the term is, regardless of who happens to use it.
Is there a hetrosexual community too? Is there a fat community? A people with blue eyes community? A rabbit owners community? A people banned from driving community?
And yes, plenty of gay people find it ridiculous too. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/28/2009 1:41:06 PM | And yes, plenty of gay people find it ridiculous too
I live in what is known as the 'Gay capital of Europe', and I know many gay people, but I have yet to hear many (if any) who support your unsubstantiated claim.
I do not suppose you have anything that supports your claim do you, because it does not match my experience in the slightest.
On the list I compiled earlier, sitting pretty at number 5 was:
5) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who say how x, y or z might be offended | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/28/2009 1:48:17 PM | I live in what is known as the 'Gay capital of Europe', and I know many gay people, but I have yet to hear many (if any) who support your unsubstantiated claim.
I do not suppose you have anything that supports your claim do you, because it does not match my experience in the slightest.
You're calling me out on my alleged 'unsubstantiated' claim with an unsubstantiated claim of your own! 
Yes, plenty of gay people I know personally think the term 'gay community' is ridiculous as it suggests they all live together in some commune.
The difference of opinion in Brighton probably stems from the fact that there actually IS a gay community there, so not ridiculous when referring to it as such! | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/28/2009 2:03:12 PM | You're calling me out on my alleged 'unsubstantiated' claim with an unsubstantiated claim of your own!
Have you not quite worked out how forums work yet?
If someone makes an initial claim (like yours) and then someone else counters it (me), the onus is with the original poster to support their initial claim. Unless they can do this, the claim loses any credibility and respectability, and one can argue that it was nothing more than an unsubstantiated statement to support his/her view, or to play devils advocate.
The difference of opinion in Brighton probably stems from the fact that there actually IS a gay community there, so not ridiculous when referring to it as such!
Very true!
And I imagine there are gay communities in most major cities, therefore, I think it is reasonable to conclude that the majority of gays will not be offended by the terminology contrary to your initial unsubstantiated claim! | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/28/2009 2:08:22 PM |
i think with political correctness its just the principle of the thing, we as citizens know their doing stupid things like calling binmen "refuse collection officers", and barmen (sorry barperson) "Alcohol dispensing technicians", call a spade a spade anyone?
You might find that this is simply the official job title. Use of the term "barman" is not actually illegal, or doesn't even appear to be actively discouraged.
baa baa black sheep is roughly dated back to 1744, and its been fine for everyone up until reacently. so why change it??
i have never ever heard of a black person complaining of the song baa baa black sheep.
Thing is, IS THERE any evidence that the song HAS been subject to widespread change, AND for those reasons?
Fire breathing dragons in books break good health and safety practice
19 November 2007
An author was told by her publishers to take out references in her books to a dragon toasting his marshmallows by breathing fire on them, a mention of a red ring on an electric cooker and a boy using a ladder as they "went against health and safety".
Sources please.
Slough Council changes its Bonfire Night for....some reason!
19 October 2007
The traditional bonfire in Slough was scrapped allegedly to reduce the council's carbon footprint but as another councillor put it to make it more "multicultural".
Nice anecdote, but is it actually TRUE? Any sources? Remember the fuss about the FICTITIOUS "Winterval"?
Gingerbread persons are the order of the day
20 October 2006
A bakery in Kidderminster has been advertising ‘ginger persons’ and staff have been correcting those asking for a gingerbread man by saying they no longer sell them and can only offer a ginger person. However, the store manager said, “It’s just a step too far. We have schoolchildren coming in who have asked for a gingerbread man for years. Now I have to tell them they can’t have a gingerbread man and they can only have a ginger person. It is just silly really as the gingerbread man has been around for years. You can’t discriminate against a biscuit".
It seems that common sense will prevail in this case though with this statement from Greggs who own the bakery, “A regional manager took the decision to introduce ginger person in some stores in the West Midlands area. We don’t know why this has happened but we will be speaking to the manager to make sure the name is reverted to gingerbread man. The gingerbread man has been around for 200 years and we have always called it by that name."
Again, where is the source for this?
Grandma not allowed to photograph grandchildren in park
9 August 2006
A Grandma who was trying to take a photo of her grandchildren at a paddling pool in a park in Southampton was told that she could not do so due to fears that paedophiles could get illicit shots of young children. Suzanne Hansford said, "I was so annoyed. Are we now to be denied having photographic memories of our children and grandchildren?" Sadly this is part of a growing trend - see the "Your Stories" section of this website. There is no legal requirement for Councils to have such a policy so do complain to them and your councillors if there is a policy to deny people taking photos in your area.
Funnily enough, I can verify this policy...My daughter turned sixteen the other day, although I have illegally been denied contact for nine years. My mother used to have a camera welded to her face when out with her, so she could bring pictures back to me. One local swimming pool that she used to take her to on a regular place intervened when they saw her at the cafe at the poolside with her camera, as they had changed the policy of allowing people to take photos. Thing is, in a swimming pool, there are a lot of nearly nekkid folk, and there ARE occasionally people who try to take advantage of this. Having said that, there is more apparent FEAR of the risk of paedophiles taking pictures than seems to be the reality.
Police order woman to take down joke sign
27 July 2006
A woman who has had a tongue-in-cheek sign outside her cottage for more than 30 years has been told by police to take it down because it is deemed a "hate crime" despite local Jehovah's Witnesses saying it didn't cause offence
The sign says, "Our dogs are fed on Jehovah's Witnesses" and was put up after Jehovah's Witnesses called on them repeatedly - even once on Christmas day.
So they spoke to ALL Jehovah's Witnesses then, or just the King and Queen? You may be surprised to find that not all JW's think the same way, same as any other group...
Paper planes diktat from school in Kent
18 June 2006
Staff at Bishops Down Primary School in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, have introduced a ban on pupils throwing paper planes at each other.
The youngsters are still allowed to make the darts but are being supervised to ensure they only launch them at the special targets which have been set up instead.
Believe it or not some people DO get injured by such things, and there are more than a couple who appear to rely on "Ambulance Chasers-R-US", causing much consternation among official bodies, due to the percieved threat of legal action.
Want more??
Only those with actual cited references...lol... remember;
That claimed without evidence may be thus dismissed...
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/28/2009 2:11:32 PM | Have you not quite worked out how forums work yet?
Sunshine, I've been using forums for many years.
Have you not quite worked out how forums work yet?
If someone makes an initial claim (like yours) and then someone else counters it (me), the onus is with the original poster to support their initial claim. Unless they can do this, the claim loses any credibility and respectability, and one can argue that it was nothing more than an unsubstantiated statement to support his/her view, or to play devils advocate.
I don't need to substantiate it. It's as ridiculous as saying 'the people who collect shells community'. I actually said they were more likely to be offended than the silly rainbow rhyme. They're not offended as it isn't offensive. It's just grossly inaccurate and so it's a ridiculous term. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 2:58:11 PM | Lets stay on topic
Is political correctness another term for or a meaning that society is changing..
For example. Common Sense - This term has now been replaced by Health and Safety
black bin bags have no been replaced by Refuse sacks.. Was this a politically correct choice or was it a sign of society changing..
I'm confused by the term PC, it seems to be thrown at everything that doesn't agree with an individual. All of a sudden people need to defend themselves. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/28/2009 3:42:34 PM | Lance, their all from (i can't believe i'm going to say it) the Daily Mail,
a simple Google search would confirm these and bring up a host of other "political Correct" situations,
but i got mine from http://www.capc.co.uk/ridiculous_political_correctness.htm
Cheers | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/28/2009 3:53:22 PM | Is political correctness another term for or a meaning that society is changing..
For example. Common Sense - This term has now been replaced by Health and Safety
black bin bags have no been replaced by Refuse sacks.. Was this a politically correct choice or was it a sign of society changing..
I'm confused by the term PC, it seems to be thrown at everything that doesn't agree with an individual. All of a sudden people need to defend themselves.
This is exactly what I've been trying to establish, many of the examples quoted above are in fact H & S issues, -and these aren't decided by some left-wing, sandal wearing bunch called the "PC Brigade", it's the results of blokes in sharp suits who work for insurance companies, and read the daily mail! As I said earlier, insurance companies force ridiculous safety rules, so that they can justify not paying out if they're not fulfilled.
And other examples are just progress.
And if areas have higher populations of other cultures, the views of those constituents are acted on by their representatives, that's democracy.
Perhaps there should be a Godwin's Law to invoke if someone mentions "the PC Brigade"
Perhaps it's just too easy to blame that....?
What's wrong with rainbow sheep?
Quite a lot:
1) For one I have yet to see a rainbow sheep.
2) All the sheep I have seen have been either black or white!
And have you actually ever seen a live "egg-man" sitting on a wall? | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/28/2009 4:02:08 PM | perhaps in the PC/H&S rush and takeover, people are loosing their common sense and responasibity towards situations?
compensation claims? i was on a job, and i had a ladder that wasn't suitable for the job... but i was dozy and did it anyway, therefor falling off the ladder because i knew H&S would back me to the hilt even though i was stupid enough to climb the ladder. kerching 5k in my pocket for not taking responsability for my own safety and blaming someone else...
H&S and PC define the majority of the things that have slipped in this country, the blame & compensation game, Soft touch UK, oh poor scone he was robbing some nasty homeowner, when the homeowner had the cheek to defend himself and his property, so lets not put him away because of his trauma and his human rights even though he was commiting burgalry, and that nasty homeowner can pay you compensation for your trauma.
it happens way to often. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/28/2009 4:13:46 PM |
compensation claims? i was on a job, and i had a ladder that wasn't suitable for the job... but i was dozy and did it anyway, therefor falling off the ladder because i knew H&S would back me to the hilt even though i was stupid enough to climb the ladder. kerching 5k in my pocket for not taking responsability for my own safety and blaming someone else...
Compensation claims have gone up, and that started to happen when they let lawyers advertise, they're now about half the ad's I see on the 'box'
And this has developed the litigious society we live in, but it's been like that for years in the USA, and they're not known for their left wing governments of the PC brigade, although they do now call fench fries, "freedom fries" which I think is quite hilarious, but certainly not left wing. But definitely PC. But this is right-wing big business forcing these changes, not some mythical PC brigade.
The fact that we are following what happens in the US, is no surprise, it's always happened, particularly if there's money to be made.
That's just change. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/28/2009 5:10:21 PM | those arguing against the pc brigade, have you ever spoke to a gay/black/asian/man/woman about the effect on their lifes? i know the people ive spoke too have said how said it is and how the government have tried to brand multiculture yet destroyed it in one fell swoop.
typical example tonight, i have been out with an irish mate, recieved irish jokes on the phone and he laughed. went for my kebab, chatted to the asian owner and said the normal convos, taking the pee out of football etc and all will agree when you see reports in the paper saying so and so is banned it upsets them! and they tell me why, because how the feck are they ment to carry on having the custom/joke with new people and not thinking about what they have read, and if they cannot be themselves.
black/asian/gay people have got their own minds and if they are offended, belive me they will tell you.
disabled? yes im disabled through work but dont get upset about others taking the pee and the ones who ive met of here will tell the same, for gods sake take me back to the early years where sense of humour in a person mattered!! | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/29/2009 3:48:46 AM |
perhaps in the PC/H&S rush and takeover, people are loosing their common sense and responasibity towards situations?
compensation claims? i was on a job, and i had a ladder that wasn't suitable for the job... but i was dozy and did it anyway, therefor falling off the ladder because i knew H&S would back me to the hilt even though i was stupid enough to climb the ladder. kerching 5k in my pocket for not taking responsability for my own safety and blaming someone else...
H&S is a definate fear for employers. There are dedicated health and safety officers that work for the council and will visit local businesses unannounced. Any health and safety breaches can end up in hefty fines, especially if the H&S officer is in a bad mood that day!
A few months ago I was greeted by what I call the Health and Safety Brigade. We were installing a shop sign in the high street. I was speaking to the customer and 2 of our guys were up on the scaffolding tower.
All of a sudden some nutter came over stinking of beer and said "Have you got a permit to have that tower on the pavement?". To which I replied "yes, what's it to you?" and he said "you are blocking half of the pavement, that's a health and safety risk". At this point I told him where to go. Obviously if he was a health and safety inspector I would have fetched our permit from the van but he wasn't, he was an ordinary member of the public sticking his nose in. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/29/2009 12:27:42 PM | Today in the Daily Mail (yeah I know boo, hiss, string me up  ) an article about parents being banned from supervising their own children in an adventure playground unless they are CRB checked.
It seems play rangers (fully qualified and CRB checked) patrol the two adventure playgrounds which caters for kids aged 5-15.
Sooooooo you can let your five year old into a fenced in area and be 'patrolled' not supervised .......... anyone else a little un-comfy with that?
Oh and you have to give them your contact details before they let them inside .............. in the event of an accident. How about letting the parents inside and prevent the bl**dy accident 
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/29/2009 1:47:04 PM | ^^ Yes but it isn't 'political correctness'. It's child protection legislation (gone mad).
I live in what is known as the 'Gay capital of Europe'
I don't doubt that you do. ;) | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/29/2009 2:46:06 PM |
Lance, their all from (i can't believe i'm going to say it) the Daily Mail,
Must be true then...lol...
Not meaning to be (too) sarky, but you did realise that some papers actually EXAGGERATE or even LIE to increase sales?
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/29/2009 4:16:45 PM | I almost swallowed my coffee to wrong throat when I was reading that article. In the first place, it is parents who have the ultimate responsibility over their kids, as it supposed to be. Not some "patrolling" jerks who are supposed to supervise those kids. It's like from damn Orwell's 1984 now. This paedophile hysteria is going too far anyway. Yes, paedophiles are sick people, very sick, but should the rest of the population and especially innocent children be punished for wicked and sick deeds of small minority?
Love between child and his/her parents is unconditional. The difference is, those "play rangers" in fenced area are paid for supervise their kids, that means that their ultimate motivation to do their job is money, not love. Which one you should trust more?
When I was a kid my mom rescued me from those accidents almost countless of times and brought me for proper medical attention. I wouldn't trust these "patrols" that much for it. We will see harvest of this soon, trust me. | |
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