| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/7/2008 8:44:20 AM | Who on these forums actually goes out of their way to offend? who wants to persecute others? who is filled with hate and loathing? I would imagine the answer is no one or a very small minority. How many of the forums members views have I find offensive? many, as I have sometimes found them racist, sexist and intolerant.
That does not make the poster a racist, a sexist or intolerant just that I disagree with their opinion and construe it to be an ism. If they make their point intelligently and with reasoning I will acknowledge it and ponder it and either dissmiss it or accept it, that is the idea of the forums.
Everybody has an opinion and everyone has a right to voice that in a mature and adult way, but if you choice to do that on a forum or even with friends and families you have to be willing to have people respond and challenge your views.
People need to think about how others read what they put and make it in a clear and precise way. Other people will respond and you have two choices, to back up what you have siad or accept that you have made your point. People also need to bear in mind that if on a forum you get called a racist for your view, they do not know or who you are and the only person who knows if you are or not is yourself.
Political correctness is what is wrong with Britain today, not the idea, as the idea of everyone being fair and equal regardless of race, gender, religion, nationality can only be a good thing. People use the words not pc to stop a debate, to stop people having an opinioning, to stop all matter of things incase you offend one person who if you asked would not be offended anyway. When councils cancel nativities and the press report about toilets being moved to not face Mecca it creates more bigotry and intolerance than was there before. Pc has gone to far, and the medias reporting of it is just as bad as it fuels hatred little by little. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/7/2008 8:49:45 AM | People need to think about how others read what they put and make it in a clear and precise way.
why should we even worry ? | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/7/2008 9:02:38 AM | Two things we can do to rebut and rebuff the bigots are: -
1. Check facts.
2. Show good british tolerance of others.
As to facts, the governmnet statistics (I know, I know, statistics, etc) show immigrants as net contributors to the economy even after fiscal repatriation.
As Tom Lehrer said, in the introduction to his "National Brotherhood week" satirical song: -
"You know, there are people out there who fail to love every one of their fellow men and women, (long pause) ... and I hate people like that. "
There is no good reason to hate someone or think them inferior because of their race or religion (well, maybe except for the USA and its lunatic right wing god-botherers like Sarah Palin . . . NB this is humour).
Some culturally mandated behaviours (like "female circumcision") must be stamped out, at least in this country.
But it is wrong to say that God is part of our culture. Look around at our churches. It is therefore doubly wrong to assert that immigrants should abandon their religion and follow our God.
But really, the serial racists and misogynists ought to be shown the doorway out of this forum. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/7/2008 9:24:22 AM | LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT,you want all racists on here shown the door,for simples sake, everybody who dares voices an opinion which is different to yours like england is full,an immigrants should be sent back is very naughty an is a racist, but the people on the left cant be racist?
on the other hand "pc" loonatics couldnt possibly be racist or bigots yet there just as racist as everybody else but wouldnt admit it, it only applies to those on the right,ok, it works both ways, are you a closet racist? | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/7/2008 9:45:41 AM |
When councils cancel nativities and the press report about toilets being moved to not face Mecca it creates more bigotry and intolerance than was there before. Pc has gone to far, and the medias reporting of it is just as bad as it fuels hatred little by little.
Totally agree.^ sense talking at last.
There is a lot of talk of racism in this thread but as we all know it usually comes from one source who actually comes here TO offend, its the highlight of his day and why as grown adults you cant see what hes doing is amazing to me, if a child behaved this way you'd take away his crayons.  | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 9:52:10 AM | I agree, I think political correctness has gone to far and is now causing more problems than it set out to solve.
I think it is not what you say. It is about "intent".
By the way I am an allist. I hate everyone equally Ha ha. (Not true ok, for all you literal people out there..... It was a joke!). | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 9:54:11 AM | I have mixed race twins
i'd hate to find out i was a closet racist | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 10:23:07 AM | your find that these forums are for everybody, not just closed minded people who are just pc, an object to those members who dare to have an alternative view. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 10:25:03 AM |
Oh the left wingers hate alternative views,, they are judgemental towards right wingers, and seem to think right wingers dont have a right to their opinions. They would have us all silenced if they had their way. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 11:04:45 AM | "Oh the left wingers hate alternative views,, they are judgemental towards right wingers, and seem to think right wingers dont have a right to their opinions. They would have us all silenced if they had their way."
No that is not the case at all, seriously where else would I get a laugh. I believe you should have the right to post on here, infact I would strongly defend your right to post. Otherwise I'd have no idea of the wide range of views on the political spectrum.
Political Correctness has gone too far, I'll agree with you there, it has become so prevalent that integrity and honesty are no longer key parts of any openminded discussion, communications are censored through fear of actually saying the wrong thing for the right reason and not wanting to be perceived in a certain light.
However it can never be ok to speak disrespectfully of anyone because of their race, religion, sexuality or disability. Thats not political correctness, that is being a decent person.
Some of the opinions on here would make my hair curl, the levels of ignorance and coldness posted are horrendous. To be honest I especially hate to hear things from the Irish Forumites because we are an emigrant nation, we've travelled the world in search of employment and a better life yet we deride others for doing the same Yeah sure I've met non-nationals who are playing the system, I've also met non-nationals who want to work hard and integrate fully into Irish Society. Guess what I've also met Irish people who want to fleece the system as well. Shock horror there is good and bad in every race and nationality. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 11:09:28 AM |
Oh the left wingers hate alternative views,, they are judgemental towards right wingers, and seem to think right wingers dont have a right to their opinions. They would have us all silenced if they had their way.
it's the strikers and centre mids that annoy me.... | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 11:26:24 AM | OP if you can honestly claim you don't have a racist bone in your body that's really good and I think it's nice that pink shirt guy and you have so much in common.
Actually No I don't, at no point in my life have I judged someone less than me because of the colour of their skin, or seen someone as a lesser being because of the colour of their skin,....... If I don't like someone it has nothing to do with their race..... And at no point am I afraid to state I don't like someone.....
Now if you are on about someones Nationality, now that has nothing to do with race, do I like Immigrants being in the country.... Controlled Immigration is not a bad thing, because each Nationality has something Unique to bring to this country, Mass immigration is not good for the country, it causes masses burdens to infrastructures that are already under immense amount of strain, and causes resentment when not dealt with correctly. Once again.... before you can fix the worlds problems you need to sort your own corner out first.......
Islam..... I used that religion as I said in my first post these have at some point over the last 18 months been a politically hot topic.....
I don't have a problem with Homosexualty... And quite frequently take the mick out of my cousin because he gay.... And he an I have quite frequently sat and discussed Political Correctness... Did I mention he is one of the biggest Divas you will ever meet.
The judicial system,..... The death penilty...... Yes I do think it's perfectly acceptable to take a life for a life, especially if it's the likes of Rosemary West, she is sitting in prison, three squares a day, and what ever else... while her victims lay dead and buried with no future as that future was taken from them...... Myras Hindly may her soul burn.... One of the mothers will never know peace.... as her child body had never been found.... Myra Hindly spent her life behind bars with that knowledge and at no point did she remorse or tell those parents where her children's bodies lay.... Ian Huntley murdered two little girls.... what right does he have.. those girls will never grow up... never have boyfriends.. children, while he lives.... Yes I could go on.....
Human rights.... All well and good, criminals have no rights.... they deserve nothing.... and they need to pay for there crimes.... I believe in punishment to fit the crime..... and at no point should they have any. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 11:30:06 AM |
I hate political correctness end of story, no ones going to tell me what to say or how to say it.
yer right love! so you dont pay your taxes or abide by the law of the land?
for all you lot slating political correctness let me inform you we are all politically correct to a point its just to what extreme that constitutes a debate !lets take it to the other extreme abolish all pc and what have you got ? anarchy! | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 11:33:29 AM |
Human rights.... All well and good, criminals have no rights.... they deserve nothing.... and they need to pay for there crimes.... I believe in punishment to fit the crime..... and at no should they have any.
what about the mentally ill who commit crime?
what if someone who were psychotic ( suffering from schizophrenia) killed someone? Does this person not deserve any human rights?
Things aren't as black and white as you make them out to be. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 11:56:03 AM | what about the mentally ill who commit crime?
what if someone who were psychotic ( suffering from schizophrenia) killed someone? Does this person not deserve any human rights?
Good point and I agree with a mental Illness not everything is black and white, but in all honesty when I wrote that, mental illness didn't even come into the equation... point taken..... it then becomes a whole different ball game, I am well aware not everything is black and white, that is why I used the people I did as examples.
MSG74
Some things we are not properly entitled to say.
Why?
"Immigration" has always been a fig-leaf for race.
I don't understand why immigration Nationalty, has to do with race...
It was so when some castigated D'Israeli.
I honestly don't understand what you mean by that?
It was so when Enoch Powell spoke of "Rivers of blood".
To be honest I've never actually heard the whole speech, just little extracts, but my understanding of it is he is on about the migrant workers of the 60s, and controled immigration... but once again I haven't read or heard the whole speach.
It is alas so now.
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/7/2008 11:57:23 AM | Some things we are not properly entitled to say.
"Immigration" has always been a fig-leaf for race.
It was so when some castigated D'Israeli.
It was so when Enoch Powell spoke of "Rivers of blood".
It is alas so now. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:27:37 PM |
Two things we can do to rebut and rebuff the bigots are: -
1. Check facts.
2. Show good british tolerance of others.
the serial racists and misogynists ought to be shown the doorway out of this forum.
So, on the one hand, all views should be tolerated, and on the other, they should not be allowed?
BTW, I read Latin to o-level standard, so I do know about what a fasces was. It was chosen as a symbol of fascism and represents strength through unity. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 1:42:56 PM | At risk or repeating whats been said before.
Firstly, you can't actually say 'political correctness gone mad', it descriminates against disabled people. (Not that I agree, just reference like!)
Political correctness, on the surface, is a reasonable idea. Some groups do find certain terms and mannerisms offensive, and in the intrests of politeness, its a good idea to observe these unwritten social laws and codes of conduct. However, nowadays alot of political correctness seems to be being used by faceless people in quangos or comittees that seem to exist only to keep themselves in a job. If you don't keep inventing new forms of say, homophobia, how can someone paid to solve the problem keep in the job if theres no new forms to identify and legislate against.
Additionally, I would venture that alot of these new laws and guidelines aren't from the minority or group in question, but from the said faceless 'public servants'. I truely believe that some of these faceless individuals believe they are creating a better society, and are blissfully unaware of how they are creating problems and sometimes resentment in the general population. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:49:15 PM | Political Correctness = something else for those afflicted with a persecution complex to whine about  | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:18:06 PM | "Political Correctness" = tolerance. And no-one whinges quite like a little englander. It is quite remarkable to hear those with intolerant views demanding our tolerance of them. Still, apart from the odd BNP councillor here and there, you're pretty harmless. Carry on  | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/7/2008 2:35:03 PM | "Political Correctness" = tolerance
When it is used sensibly , I agree.
I think the ridiculousness of some of the extreme examples of pc we have seen will unfortunately water down the power of its true intent and as we have seen in many cases become a laughing stock !!
I.e A friend of mine works in the caring profession and is not allowed to call a person suffering with diabetes ......diabetic as they view that as you are seeing someone as a diabetic and not a person !!! | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:50:50 PM | Sadly you do have a point, and over-tolerance does become a contest to see who can put who down for the most obscure reason.
It remains, even at its worst, marginally less vile than the uninformed bile that gets dumped by the intolerant though. And no-one was ever beaten up or had dog dirt shoved through their letter box by a sensitivity trainer. To my knowledge. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 3:00:31 PM | not very political at all,
not sure about left wings and right wings,
does this mean i really am a 'bird'?
PC is crap,
i will sing ba ba black sheep
and blackboards should still be in schools!
its got so ridiculous that its made things worse!
black is just a colour the same as white, pink n brown! | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 3:09:24 PM | Like most good ideas it can be taken to absurd (and counterproductive) extremes but as all sensible people will know 99% of the instances of this quoted in the Daily Mail etc are exxagurations or complete fabrications.
So write the words of "Ba Baa black sheep" on your blackboard to your hearts content | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/7/2008 4:06:02 PM |
I.e A friend of mine works in the caring profession and is not allowed to call a person suffering with diabetes ......diabetic as they view that as you are seeing someone as a diabetic and not a person !!!
that's rubbish. you are allowed to call patients with diabetes diabetics!
i don't know where your friend got this idea from.....
lmao
edit: evidence = NICE guidelines on diabetes :) | |
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