| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/16/2008 1:47:32 AM |
Depends what the group is and how narrowly defined.
It doesn't matter on how narrow the definition is of their particular trait which makes them a group. Take, for instance, a pop duo like Hall and Oates. You may dislike every one of their songs that you've heard. So, when someone says they are about to play their latest offering, you are going to have a sense of dread about it. That 'prejudice' towards the song may be totally blown out of the water upon hearing it, but it still existed. A similar feeling of dread might arise if someone were to play a solo offering by either of those chaps.
If you saw a group of noisy drunk men in their twenties you couldn't say all men, all men in their twenties or all drunk men in their twenties are noisy.
Has anyone indicated in this thread that every member of every group behaves in an identical way? I certainly haven't.
The point I'm making is that the behaviour of SOME members of every group will give rise to prejudice against the group as a whole.
Would you say anti-black racism is the fault of all black people? That does seem to be your logic....
That is not my logic.
Anti-black racism is not the fault of every black person - it is the fault of those blacks who have behaved in a manner which has upset members of other races. Similarly, when encountering a group of drunken noisy men in the street, most of us will have a feeling of dread based on previous experiences. That dread may evaporate once the encounter has commenced and passed, but it might arise again when the next one occurs.
I was reading another forum on here last week where some man admitted he was a racist saying that he wouldn't sleep with a woman who had slept with a black man.
I've seen something similar on various profiles. The site doesn't appear to mind.
People have the right to be racist it's the ones who shove their racist views down your neck who should be barred from doing so.
Barring discussion of 'racism'? Whatever would that achieve? | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/16/2008 3:52:26 AM |
racism
• noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race.
I think this can be quite misleading, because I think theres no doubt that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities that certain races have more of than others - but I think the key is whether you think this is purely due to race or whether you think this is due to other factors.
i.e Africans have been shown to have the lowest IQ's, but that is because they are poor and malnourished and don't learn in the same way that Westerners (who devised the IQ test) do, rather than the fact that they are African.
A racist will believe for example that Africans are inherantly less intelligent than Europeans. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/16/2008 4:21:48 AM | The famous Hans Eysenck advanced a thoery that African-Americans were inherently less intelligent than WASPs based on IQ testing - and by the time the scientific community had finished with him he has really no reputation left.
Likewise more recently - I forget who it was - but a scientist eminent in his own field, some type of hard science I think, made similar judgments and the scientific community rubbished his research and conclusions. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/16/2008 4:45:39 AM | PC is there to control opinions, personal views and prevents the individual from speaking openly and honestly.
this is what this forum is for after all political correctness..................not racism or any other difference.
i personnally don't give a monkeys about wether or not someone is offened by me, I'm not offended by anyone else, i have a life, and intend to get on with it.
I must admit that I am surprised that religion has not had amention..................after all that is all about control and fear.............
have a nice day.................... | |
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Posted: 10/16/2008 10:00:24 AM | My issues are with self segregation, this is why the government has dropped the "Multi-cultural Britain" moniker... it just doesn't work.
Ive worked with lots of 'minorities' and the for most part we get along like a house on fire i guess my issue is with people pushing their 'faiths' onto other people which sucks because thats a big part of being a Muslim... its the Immams (sp probably) to blame as theyre preaching 5th century values to 21st century people and actively seeking to keep their communities from integrating into the whole... go figure. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2008 3:08:12 PM |
Trooper Bill
I agree 100% with what you say. There's another side of that too - which is the way the USA pushes its culture and values through the world. Tell most Americans that you don't accept 'The American Way' and they'll either get upset or incredulous. Tell them that this is Britain and we have 'the British way' and they just don't get it. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/16/2008 3:54:19 PM |
The famous Hans Eysenck advanced a thoery that African-Americans were inherently less intelligent than WASPs based on IQ testing - and by the time the scientific community had finished with him he has really no reputation left.
Hey, why not examine facts?
Eysenck didn't advance a theory. He was one of a number of scientists who examined the IQ scores of various American races, and found that black Americans weren't as intelligent as white (not necessarily WASPs, as some Americans are Catholic) Americans. The figures provided the fact.
Eysenck was a German, yet he was aware of the nature of the Nazis, and sought to distance himself from them. This didn't stop him from acknowledging the fact that black Americans aren't as bright as white Americans.
His reputation survives him.
So, given that it was inaccurate, what was the point behind MSG 166? | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/17/2008 12:10:30 AM | You should check your facts with more care.
Examine his obit from the New York Times here - http://www.wisdomportal.com/HansJEysenck.html
"Daniel Schacter, chairman of the department of psychology at Harvard University, said on Monday that Dr. Eysenck's argument "still comes up from time to time and is a controversial issue although the majority opinion is probably unfavorable to it." "
You will see that Eysenck over his career advocated at least three foolish ideas. One was his racist belief about intelligence, which was founded in a basic misapprehension of what IQ tests measured.
Another was the reactionary belief that psychotherapy was of no value.
The third (and this really is a dilly) is that smoking does not cause lung cancer.
I'm sure you would be very happy together. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/17/2008 3:03:18 AM | religion has landed...............
trooper Bill,
"its the Immams (sp probably) to blame as theyre preaching 5th century values to 21st century people"
name a religion that does not preach ancient values??
Big Brother is not only a TV show......................... | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/17/2008 4:53:49 AM | Hula Moo................
"his own, deeply flawed, theories" not in his mind!!
who says yours, or anyones are not flawed in someone elses view????
ideas/theories provoke debate, debate provokes more thought by more people, the snowball gets bigger and more intelligent.
The Bell Curve was a study.
face cream studies show 84% of women agree with the manufacturers claims, 84% of which women exactly????????
Allways read the small print!!!!! | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/17/2008 7:16:49 AM | msg 164.
After reading all of your rants on this thread I can only surmise that you are not right in the head, and as a you appear to purport the nonsense spouted by the BNP this is no great surprise.
Political correctness has gone a bit haywire in some areas, but I feel it is not a bad thing to think before you speak or act in order not to hurt anyone or show yourself up as a mindless moron, I have been tagged with the pc badge times when in my opinion I have merely been good mannered or thoughtful towards others.
While I am here I would like to point out to msg 164 that the internet is the greatest learning tool ever, it is easy to first check facts before rattling on a load of old shi.te, a prime example for you, Belgium and The Netherlands have a far higher density of population than Great Britain | |
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Posted: 10/17/2008 7:23:52 AM | That link actually supports message 176's post that Belgium and the Netherlands have a far higher population density than we do???
vvv Ahh that's for England and not the UK as a whole ... | |
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Posted: 10/17/2008 7:30:59 AM | Eurostat. the European Union site generally does not print ´Bunkum´
wikipedia on the other hand is full of irregularities and wrong information, this is why I never consult it
edit: msg 181, no need for apologies and while I find people who generalise about any subject (mainly to waffle on and spout politics of hate, msg 164 this IS directed at you) I think that immigration to the U.K. needs to be addressed by the present and future governments as it is obviously getting a bit mental. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2008 8:32:07 AM | | I have one question, would you say that immigration control should also happen to any one moving from the uk to other parts of the globe. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2008 10:13:52 AM |
Examine his obit from the New York Times here - http://www.wisdomportal.com/HansJEysenck.html
"Daniel Schacter, chairman of the department of psychology at Harvard University, said on Monday that Dr. Eysenck's argument "still comes up from time to time and is a controversial issue although the majority opinion is probably unfavorable to it." "
OK, so let's look at the 'facts' as provided in the above quote.
The obit acknowledged that Eysenck's argument is controversial, which means that it still provokes debate. This also means that no-one has yet produced any evidence that his argument is without basis in fact. The obit was even less assured when it spoke of the majority opinion (among whom? - not stated) was "probably" unfavourable towards it. This might have something to do with the liberal establishment not wishing to mention 'race' in connection with intelligence.
The fact is, until anyone produces evidence that Eysenck's IQ figures are flawed, and given that he is unable to change his mind about anything, his work and conclusion have to be taken at face value. | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/17/2008 1:10:51 PM | It is of course a historic fact that Burt's figures that informed Eysenck's studies were fraudulent and concocted.
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 10/19/2008 3:51:54 AM | Hula Moo...............When someone begins a study, they almost always know what they're looking for.
A graph can make poor results look good...........the face cream study for instance.....
Bell curve....... a study which provoked debate and more thought..................level playing field??
"The experienced group is going to score more highly. How has knowledge been advanced there? Or debate provoked?" the result is already known!! why start at the answer??? | |
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Posted: 11/2/2008 4:46:44 AM | well done girl
agree with everything you have said
politically correct, i am not, to the point of walking away from a couple of jobs | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 4:39:18 AM | | It's rather got me in a twizz now, a little while ago i got pulled up by a black person who told me that saying coloured was condescending to him, now we have a thread where it's talking about coloured people, which terminology is correct, as it seems you can't do wrong for right. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 5:02:03 AM | | Excuse me but as a newbie I'm wondering what does OP stand for? I've looked in the Forums and this seems to crop up rather a lot. I wasn't sure which thread to ask this in but this seemed like the right one. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 5:15:32 AM |
Excuse me but as a newbie I'm wondering what does OP stand for?
Welcome to the forums! 
I'm not at all sure why this thread is the right one to ask the question in but the answer is that 'OP' stands for 'Original Poster', the person (or Poster) who started the thread. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 5:24:16 AM | Thanks, I think I should have introduced myself earlier as I have already posted on quite a few forums and have realised there are lots of regulars and hope I haven't encroached in any way. Well, I just thought that Political Correctness seemed rather apt at the time! | |
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| Political Correctness
Posted: 4/13/2009 5:41:07 AM |
So is it still ok to call a spade a spade ?.
How dare you refer to a manual earth moving impliment in such offensive terms!! | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 6:01:05 AM | To quote text, type [-quote-] at the beginning of the text and [-/quote-] at the end, but without the -
As for the ast? no idea! | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 6:41:45 AM | *"Bar, Bar Rainbow sheep.." -What the...??
*'Winter season lights'?!?!?!?! -Yes, because winter is a joyous occasion which we celebrate because its a time when we all gather in 1 house to save fuel bills and cherish the cold, dark months.
PC is something that i find incredibly frustrating. I think in this country people are taught from a very early age that they can do whatever they want, whenever they want and there will only be very minor consequences as a result. We can't possibly punish a person for a crime and provide a real deterrent because that would infringe on human rights and would not be PC .This lesson is taught from a very early stage in many schools; i've witnessed this countless times. Children learn very quickly that they can pretty much do whatever they want. "Now Timmy don't tell that teacher to f*** off, that's very naughty. If you do that again i will have no choice but to fill out a red slip and then you'll be sorry!"
We are always working around others and afraid to enforce any real kind of real punishment. When children leave school the lesson they've learned with regards to crime and consequence is further re-enforced. If they commit serious crime in adulthood, they can look forward to nice warm jails with cells containing TVs, game consoles, gyms, free educational and vocational courses, cheap and readily available drugs... not to mention custodial sentences that do not seem to fit the severity of the crime at all?!?!?!?
I've not traveled the entire globe but does anybody know of any other country that favours the criminal? | |
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