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Posted: 4/13/2009 7:16:06 AM | | Pc is labours way of divide and rule, and the idiots who try and preach pc to the people are there foot soldiers who dont even realise there doing labours dirty work. When i walk into my local theres black, asian, gay, jocks and taffs in there and we all share jokes about different ethnics and disabilities and no one has a problem. The ones who are the problem are government, councils and quangos who throw common sense out the window with having to fill out forms stating your colour and race for everything. Next time surf the net check out where your council gives grants to, mine gives out thousands to ethnic organisations why? Shouldnt it be a level playing field for everyone? Now we got the police to scared to search people in case they get called racist ffs! | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 8:18:12 AM | [Quote] Pc is labours way of divide and rule [/Quote]
Labour needs all the minority vote..... appeasing ... oops pleasing all of the minorities all of the time and hope the silent majority stay silent....  | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 4:59:50 PM | There's been a lot of talk lately in the forums about "PC", seems it's always gone on here, judging by this thread.
But I would be interested to see what people think it means, I did a bit of research, to see the origins of the phrase. I am genuinely confused by the phrase, as it seems to be trotted out a lot, and mainly by the people who wish to use language which is designed to offend. on the basis of some dubious "freedom of speech" mantra, and I don't understand that. It seems to me that if a person tells me he finds a name or phrase offensive, the civilised thing to do is to stop using it, or saying it. Just because you've been told it offends. Like I said before in the forum, we used to call this politeness, not "PC".
It's been said that the "PC" "Brigade" are acting on behalf of people who don't actually feel any offense, and I feel that this is unlikely, surely they got the information on acceptable and non-acceptable terms from those involved?
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http://www.answers.com/topic/political-correctness
Critics of PC have shown the same sensitivity to word choice that they claim to oppose, and of perceiving non-existent political agenda.[35] For example, some newspapers reported that a school had altered the nursery rhyme “Baa Baa Black Sheep” to read “Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep”.[36] But it is also reported that a better description is that the Parents and Children Together (PACT) nursery had the children “turn the song into an action rhyme. . . . They sing happy, sad, bouncing, hopping, pink, blue, black and white sheep etc.” [37] That nursery rhyme story was circulated and later extended to suggest that like language bans applied to the terms “black coffee” and “blackboard”.[38] The Private Eye magazine reported that like stories, all baseless, ran in the British press since The Sun first published them in 1986.
It seems that many of the examples quoted earlier in the thread may be baseless.
And Polly Toynbee says much of what i think here:
Similarly, Polly Toynbee argued that “the phrase is an empty right-wing smear designed only to elevate its user.” [31]
Commenting on the UK's 2009 Equality Bill, Toynbee wrote that:
"The phrase "political correctness" was born as a coded cover for all who still want to say Paki, spastic or queer, all those who still want to pick on anyone not like them, playground bullies who never grew up. The politically correct society is the civilised society, however much some may squirm at the more inelegant official circumlocutions designed to avoid offence."[32]
So just who are the "PC Brigade"?
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Posted: 10/25/2009 5:17:01 PM | on a different forum, i was asked about why birmingham city council deceided to call christmas .... winterval. im sure most forum users can remember the uproar about it. if you want a read just google. but found this which sums it up quite good.
http://blogs.sundaymercury.net/pc-plod/ | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 5:48:07 PM | You have to laugh at Nulabours brand of political correctness, on the one hand Muslims are permitted to walk the streets of London waving banners with welcoming slogans such as "Behead non-believers" "Down with the queen" "Kill those who insult Islam", on the other you have a group of anti-islamic demonstrators suffocated before they've had a chance to open their mouths.
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Posted: 10/25/2009 8:41:27 PM |
So just who are the "PC Brigade"?
Should I even bother typing, as I am sure it will offend some... in short there is your answer  , but I will elaborate:
1) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally submissive bullies, as they attempt to twist the minds of others in an attempt to satisfy their own inadequacies.
2) The 'politically correct brigade' generally attempt to stifle a debate with derogatory unfounded, unsubstantiated, etc comments such as racist, bigot, etc.
3) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally the intolerant people of society, the ones who cannot accept the views of another should it differ from theirs.
4) The 'politically correct brigade' generally stick out like a 'sore thumb’; they are the ones who try to control the speech, thoughts and opinions of others.
5) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who say how the x, y or z might be offended.
6) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who miss the intent of the words spoken.
7) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who think x, y or z happens one way.
8) The 'politically correct brigade' are those who are 'blindly' causing tension in our society.
9) The 'politically correct brigade' are those who are reducing our language and culture.
10) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who have an issue with a person who is proud to be who is i.e. Cascausian, English/British, heterosexual, able-bodied, etc.
There is a lot more too, but that'll do for starters. I'll go back to the initial point I made regarding causing offence... offence is a self-induced malady . | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 9:40:37 PM | I'll get this one... just for the hell of it. 
1) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally submissive bullies, as they attempt to twist the minds of others in an attempt to satisfy their own inadequacies.
-Please explain further what a 'submissive bully' is... because I just don't get the concept.
-Anyone who enters a debate is guilty of 'attempting to twist the minds of others' - so I don't get your point of contention here.
-Please also explain how doing this satisfies their own inadequacies, what those inadequacies are and how debating with someone satisfies said inadequacies.
2) The 'politically correct brigade' generally attempt to stifle a debate with derogatory unfounded, unsubstantiated, etc comments such as racist, bigot, etc.
Speaking of 'unsubstantiated comments' - I think that one's a real doozy.
3) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally the intolerant people of society, the ones who cannot accept the views of another should it differ from theirs.
Really? I'm surprised because when I look up 'political correctness' on wikipedia it says, in the first paragraph - "[political correctness]is a term denoting language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social offense in gender, racial, cultural, handicap, and age-related usages"
Now, I may be wrong but it seems to me that such a person would only be intolerant of someone who themselves are intolerant of people who fall under the classifications listed.
4) The 'politically correct brigade' generally stick out like a 'sore thumb’; they are the ones who try to control the speech, thoughts and opinions of others.
Redundant re-iteration of point #1
5) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who say how the x, y or z might be offended.
I can't argue with that one - but how can you say that consideration of another's feelings is a bad thing?
6) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who miss the intent of the words spoken.
Another gross assumption... but that matter aside, as I believe that it's how a comment is recieved, and not how it is spoken that causes offence... then intent is irrelevent, as a comment can still be insulting, with the best of intentions.
7) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who think x, y or z happens one way.
So if I say, for example, that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west... then that makes me a member of the political correctness brigade?
8) The 'politically correct brigade' are those who are 'blindly' causing tension in our society.
Oh well... they must be bad then.
Oh, wait, how do they cause tension? Between whom do they cause this supposed tension? How do you know they are doing it 'blindly'? Are they the only one's causing all of the tension in society, or are there others that bear this responsibility? What about people who, say, cause tension with their eyes open?
9) The 'politically correct brigade' are those who are reducing our language and culture.
That's funny too... becasue if you asked me 'who is most responsible for reducing our language and our culture?' - I would immediately reply, without a moment's hesitation - 'the Americans, corporations, our government and the British people in general' - which ones of these are you referring too?
10) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who have an issue with a person who is proud to be who is i.e. Cascausian, English/British, heterosexual, able-bodied, etc.
Well... I don't pe3rsonally give a shit about the colour of my skin, my heterosexuality or my able bodiedness - I'm proud to be an Englishman however... but only because it's the country of my birth, and mainly, if I'm honest, to piss off the scots and the welsh.
But I certainly don't feel that I have grounds for discrimination against others on any of these points, which is, I believe, where you and I differ. I prefer to judge people on their words and their actions... on who they are and not what they are. | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 11:32:52 PM |
Please explain further what a 'submissive bully' is...
It's an oxymoron.
It was also a clear gauge to stop reading after that point. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 4:04:11 AM | Subject: An Obituary printed in the London Times
Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:
Knowing when to come in out of the rain
Why the early bird gets the worm
Life isn't always fair
and Maybe it was my fault.
Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).
His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place:
Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate
Teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch
and A teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.
Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.
It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sunscreen or an Aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.
Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.
Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.
Common Sense was preceded in death by
his parents, Truth and Trust
his wife, Discretion
his daughter, Responsibility
and his son, Reason.
He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers:
I Know My Rights
I Want It Now
Someone Else Is To Blame
I am a Victim
Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
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Posted: 10/26/2009 5:34:43 AM | Political correctness is so rife that if you socialise often you will inevitably meet the doo-gooders so often personified on this forum. However, like racism there are steps one can take to combat it, total exclusion from your group is the best bet.
In the real world I can chose who I talk to, when a PC do gooder chooses to talk to me in the pub, I can rip the piss out of them. Unfortunately for me on this forum there's no way to get round the rules, so I have to bite my lip and read their depressing drivel
So just who are the "PC Brigade"?
In my opinion the PC brigade are individuals that take offence on behalf of other groups of people without their consent. They are also the ones that bring up PC issues in often inappropriate times. i.e. a social setting.
I believe that there may be some psychological correlations in those who take PC to the extreme. I often find members of the PC brigade tend to be introverts and lacking in humour. It makes me wonder why they chose to be disruptive, maybe they feel insecure, rejected or out of touch so they try to relate to a non present minority as a coping mechanism for their social ineptness.
Those with a few braincells have probably already seen where I'm going with this and I bet they've already figured out the brigade part. That's right, the socially disadvantaged suddenly finds that they have common ground and acceptance amongst other PC'ers. He no longer has to be funny, unique or outgoing to be accepted, he simply has to take offence and a whole group of PC'ers will instantly respect him and blindly agree. Weather it's a party, a wedding, a conference, an internet forum or a funeral instant derailment and projection of ones PC views is the agenda.
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Posted: 10/26/2009 5:54:31 AM | Those that whine about the 'pc brigade are generally those that couldn't give a flying doo-dad about being polite, about being respectful or about empathising with another person.
Lets look at the winterval that has already been raised by another poster. It was claimed by the anti-pc brigade that winterval was the banning of Christmas, in case it gave offence to non-christians.
However, lets look at the source, it was Birmingham City Council who were trying to bring more trade into the city centre during the winter period (so it was about money first and foremost), Birmingham is a mutli-cultural city, there are many reasons to celebrate during winter. Winterval brought all those reasons under one umbrella, so giving more reasons for the average punter to wander into town and be parted from his money.
From Wiki
The name "Winterval" was a portmanteau of "winter" and festival coined by the Council's Head of Events, Mike Chubb.[3] In October 2008 he explained:[3]
Quite simply, as Head of events at that time, we needed a vehicle which could cover the marketing of a whole season of events…Diwali (festival of Lights), Christmas lights switch on, BBC Children in Need, Aston Hall by Candlelight, Chinese New year, New Years eve etc. Also a season that included theatre shows and open air ice rink, Frankfurt open air Christmas market and the Christmas seasonal retail offer. Christmas, called Christmas! and its celebration, lay at the heart of Winterval.
Political correctness was never the reasoning behind Winterval, but yes it was intended to be inclusive (which is no bad thing to my mind) and a brand to which other initiatives could be developed as part of The Winterval offer in order to sell the City at a time when all cities are competing against each other for the seasonal trade.
The programme of events in 1997 included theatre and arts event; marking of Diwali; candlelit tours of Aston Hall; an outdoor ice rink; a German-style Christmas market; Christmas lights in the streets; and a New Year's Eve Party.[1]
The extended Winterval the following year included: Hallowe'en; Bonfire Night; Diwali; Ramadan and Eid; Hanukkah; Advent, Christmas, and Boxing Day; New Year's Eve; and Chinese New Year.
What's wrong with that? Where is the dreaded 'pc brigade' out to stifle thoughts?
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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:01:51 AM |
Those that whine about the 'pc brigade are generally those that couldn't give a flying doo-dad about being polite, about being respectful or about empathising with another person.
Lets look at the winterval that has already been raised by another poster. It was claimed by the anti-pc brigade that winterval was the banning of Christmas, in case it gave offence to non-christians.
Thank god where I live our council has an ounce more sense. Here when it's christmas we celebrate it, same as all the other occasions like Eid.
Trying to mix everyone's different religions and beliefs by combining them is a typical PC approach. Obviously it's going to cause unnecessary tension.
I've never in my life met a non-christian who feels "offended" by christmas, so why go and make winterval? why? because of political correctness.
What annoys me is that my tax is paying someone in that council who'es sole job it is is to come up with stupid "inclusion" projects such as this. That money could have been better spent on something more worthwhile such as helping people in need over the winter period. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:34:34 AM | KarmaSuitsYa...
Please explain further what a 'submissive bully' is... because I just don't get the concept
If you look up the words "Submissive" and "Bully" you will soon get the concept... I believe it is the opposite of an aggressive bully, I hope that helps *said sarcastically*.
Number 6 on my list was "The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who miss the intent of the words spoken", it was on my list for a legitimate reason.
Anyone who enters a debate is guilty of 'attempting to twist the minds of others'
Not true, not everyone who enters a debate attempts to twist the mind of another. All of the Politically Correct Brigade might attempt to yes, hence I mentioned point 1, which was “The 'politically correct brigade' are generally submissive bullies, as they attempt to twist the minds of others in an attempt to satisfy their own inadequacies.
However, not all of us (thankfully) belong the Politically Correct Brigade and therefore are able to debate without attempting to twist the mind of another... Unbelievably some of us are quite able to accept the views of others!
Speaking of 'unsubstantiated comments' - I think that one's a real doozy
The above comment does not surprise me if a person is one of those who uses unsubstantiated comments in an attempt to stifle a debate. I am sure your post will/will not demonstrate whether you do such a thing...
Another gross assumption
No assumption made, as it is common knowledge to those of us who do not belong to the Politically Correct Brigade. Funnily enough, it is common knowledge to the humble ones of the Politically Correct Brigade too . I know, humble people in the Politically Correct Brigade is an alien concept, but it does happen... we just do not see it that often unfortunately. I mean take Jack Straw on Question Time as an example, how could he even attempt to deny that Labour are not to blame for immigration and the growth of a certain political party . If there is no leadership, it is not surprising that the ‘followers’ act in a similar irresponsible manner!
as I believe that it's how a comment is recieved
That comment is not even worthy of a genuine response!
So if I say, for example, that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west... then that makes me a member of the political correctness brigade?
No! If you were to say, "It's only whites who are racists", or "The ethnic minorities need more protection than x, y or z" then yes.
Oh well... they must be bad then
Yep, take the anti-fascists extremists for example.
That's funny too... becasue if you asked me 'who is most responsible for reducing our language and our culture?' - I would immediately reply, without a moment's hesitation - 'the Americans, corporations, our government and the British people in general' - which ones of these are you referring too?
Again, I refer you to point 6 "The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who miss the intent of the words spoken". It was a simple comment, which it appears you have attempted to over-complicate for some unnecessary reason...
By the way, you answer your own question, so I have no idea why you went on to ask it, very baffling!
But I certainly don't feel that I have grounds for discrimination against others on any of these points, which is, I believe, where you and I differ
As I said earlier “I am sure your post will/will not demonstrate whether you do such a thing”, and I did not have to wait too long for your true colours to shine through.
Another attribute of the Politically Correct Brigade is they think they know your intentions, thoughts, etc.
Nowhere, have I discriminated against anyone in this thread or any other thread for that matter, but feel free to prove me wrong!
on who they are and not what they are
I know many people of all different races, religions, etc that would be offended by such narrow-mindedness. Others and I see people for both who they and what they are, as we are respectful and open-minded enough to appreciate diversity.
The Politically Correct Brigade generally thinks there is only one race... the human race. By the way, if you think there is only one race there is a programme on C4 tonight @ 9pm that might be of interest to you...
Anyway, your post illustrated what the Politically Correct Brigade are and it was a better demonstration than I could have explained in words.. Therefore, I think it is only fair that I thank you in advance .
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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:34:47 AM |
What's wrong with that?
Well if we didn't have Christmas - there'd be nothing wrong with it. But we do; like our European Union cousins we hail from a Christian tradition of 1,000+ years and Christmas is the main celebration within that. It's sacred to some people but for most of us who might be more secular - a special time of year where we see family, give each other presents and spend time together. And whilst other religious groups are free to practice and celebrate their traditions in our democracy, wussy attempts to play down our traditional celebration of Christmas and lump it with a lot of other religious events is trying to dilute our culture deliberately. If I lived in Japan, I'd expect to respect their traditions and celebration days, just as if I was in Norway or Denmark or Hungary I'd expect the main Christmas celebrations on Christmas Eve.
So is there an equivalent Summerval or Easterval or Whitsunval or Newlabourdayval or similar? Because Summer Solstice or Easter are high points in the year of some religions and Brum should respect those too. Maybe there could be a NoddyOssyval that covered the summer?
If our culture changes - which it does and some things die back and others grow and our Councils etc reflect that, fine. But when they push that change - it's interfering and wrong and the worst examples of 'PC'. And Bonfire Night? Its Guy Fawkes night and celebrates the foiling of a Catholic ploy hundreds of years ago. If interfering PC Councils wanted to do something useful they'd campaign for Easter to be on a fixed day in our Calendar and not the lunar one - so that we didn't have to freeze our nuts off in the rain every now and again on a long miserable weekend in March. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:40:01 AM |
Those that whine about the 'pc brigade are generally those that couldn't give a flying doo-dad about being polite, about being respectful or about empathising with another person.
Sounds about right. Or when people cannot be bothered elaborating on what they mean, easier to say here's one for the pc brigade.
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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:40:59 AM | The 'politically correct brigade' are generally submissive bullies
I am intrigued,,,, I'd quite like to see a "submissive bully"... would he get beaten by a "dominant victim"?
5) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who say how the x, y or z might be offended.
As I said above, this has been said, but I think it's more likely that they are listening to those who are offended about what offends them..
10) The 'politically correct brigade' are generally those who have an issue with a person who is proud to be who is i.e. Cascausian, English/British, heterosexual, able-bodied, etc.
I would need examples of this before I could comment, as at the moment it just sounds like paranoia.
You have to laugh at Nulabours brand of political correctness
This doesn't really give me a clue as to whether you think this is a left-wing or a right-wing phenomenon though?
There have been examples of right-wing "PC" as well though: the re-branding of "french fries" as "Freedom Fries" in America, the renaming of sauerkraut as "Liberty Cabbage" during the first world war.
from:
http://www.answers.com/topic/political-correctness
Before the US invasion of Iraq, the Dixie Chicks country band played in London. During the 10 March 2003 concert, they introduced the song “Travelin’ Soldier”; The Guardian quoted Texan Natalie Maines: “Just so you know, we’re on the good side with y’all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we’re ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas.” [41]
Newspaper columnist Don Williams described the resulting backlash against the band as the price for freely speaking political views disapproved by the Right Wing — “the ugliest form of political correctness occurs whenever there’s a war on. Then you’d better watch what you say.” , "He noted that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly called the musicians’ comment treasonous.
I hear that today there is a bit of a backlash against comedian Jimmy Carr's jokes about amputee soldiers during a show this weekend, which seems to be another sign of political correctness coming from those who "support the war" traditionally on the right.
And from personal experience, I can say that any criticism of the royal family, or the church is viewed as both "disloyal" and "politically incorrect" by those who describe themselves as "Proud to be English".
Isn't it very "Un-PC" at the moment to criticize soldiers?
If I were a cynic I might think that this was a 'nod' by the tories at political correctness, but it does seem a little hypocritical...
From: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-107649466.html
London, Sept 11 (PTI) Britain's opposition Conservative Party is making a serious bid to woo Asians, particularly Indians here, saying it needed more women, black and Asian MPs in its rank in the next general elections.
"In the past we had given the impression that Asians were not wanted. But things have changed and we want to build a different Britain. Now is the good time to invest in the Conservative party your energy, money and talent and we do need more women, black and Asian MPs," Gary Streeter, MP and Vice Chairman of the Conservative Party
So are the right wing just pretending to be politically correct too, to win votes?
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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:53:26 AM |
but I think it's more likely that they are listening to those who are offended about what offends them
I hope you are not being serious ? If only the above was true...
Are the current government listening to everyone who gets offended, or are they selective in this? You know as well as I do that there are many here who are offended with current affairs, but are they being listened to? Are they fook...
I would need examples of this before I could comment
What examples would you need before you were able to make a judgement?
as at the moment it just sounds like paranoia
I agree, I feel sorry for those who are too paranoid to be proud of what they are and who they are. Thankfully, I am not one of those, as I am proud of my race, nationality, gender, character, etc, etc. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 7:25:24 AM | lets just hope that when the tories get into power in the very near future that they quash alot of these ultra left wing pc do gooder laws and give us our freedom of speech back.. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 8:51:27 AM |
I feel sorry for those who are too paranoid to be proud of what they are and who they are. Thankfully, I am not one of those, as I am proud of my race, nationality, gender, character, etc, etc.
I am proud of who I am, I am proud of my character too, but I think I would look foolish to say I was proud of my gender, wouldn't I?
And the same goes for race and nationality, as I played no part in those things, they were not even of my choosing, so to me, saying I was proud of them is like saying I am proud the sky is blue. I am being proud of something that just happened.
Are you more proud of your gender than you would be if you were a woman?
Do you also feel 'shame' if another 'white' man does something bad?
Would you feel shame if your skin was darker?
lets just hope that when the tories get into power in the very near future that they quash alot of these ultra left wing pc do gooder laws and give us our freedom of speech back..
What exactly are you being prevented from saying now?
And if you read my previous post with the quote from the tories, you'll see that they want to encourage more "asians" in their party, which particular "ultra left wing pc do gooder laws" will they quash?
What words, do you want to use which are considered Un-PC?
So "PC" is only a left-wing thing?
Or is everyone so cross because they're being prevented from using the "N" word?
Have the tories got the resumption of the Robertson's Jams' logo in their manifesto?
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Posted: 10/26/2009 9:12:55 AM | i think political correctness is basically lack of common sense,
If someone is going to use the word "(edit, it automattically removes the N word how funky is that)" then they must accept that their are certain people who will disslike the word. but in all that, the word has only got the weight people give it, hundereds of black men call each other "(edit, it automattically removes the N word how funky is that)" and its socialy acceptible as they have seen fit to take what was a bad word and turn it round to use it in a sense of brotherhood, which i think is fantastic. would i say the "n" word infront of a black person, hell no. because i've been taught its impolite, which is all fair and dandy, no PC there, thats common sense
I don't care when someone calls me a "jock", at one point this word was used as derogitory towards scots people and could have been just as offensive as "(yeah yeah, they automatically remove the N word like i said)", its just the scots people don't really care and shrug it off anyway. but really its down to people who use the words and in what context they are saying it in. everyone will take whats said differently.
my bugbear with PC is that it should just let a spade be called a spade, people arnt visualy impaired, their blind. people don't have a hearing impairment, their deaf. people arn't socially unacceptable = were ginger.. why all the fuss?
The other side of PC is the way in which its trying to make things religeon/race friendly, appologies if i'm wrong, but the british were here first (or something like that), so as much as i don't mind islam/sikhisim/hiduisim and hell lets get shinto involved too, i welcome them to scotland and england with open arms, have not got a problem in the slightest. but if you find christmmas and easter offensive then don't come crying to us, its our country, could you imagine me going to Saudi arabia and complaining about their not being enough christianity?? i wouldn't last long would i?
But saying that, i remember seeing a fantastic story in sky news website, and i think it was at the same time the whole "call it winters geetings not christmas" was going about, and the have your say bit, their was 20 odd names like James Smith and Anthony Green writning about how it was a disgrace that we force this on the other faiths blah blah blah, and down at the bottom, one name, i cant remember his name and it cracked me up, his first name was mohammed, and he wrote "i'm a muslim, i can't see what all the fuss is about". Did someone think to ask the different faiths if we were offending them?? sometimes its sheer brittish "shooting yourself in the foot" madness.
and on that note, our local curry house, we knew them quite well, they got us a christmas card one year. even though they don't believe in it... that my friends, is where we should be headed.
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Posted: 10/26/2009 9:21:29 AM | but I think I would look foolish to say I was proud of my gender, wouldn't I?
No, unless you were unhappy with your gender and/or sexuality and deceiving yourself and others.
My gender is part of who I am, so why is it to foolish ?
as I played no part in those things
I am having a Deja Vu moment here...
saying I was proud of them is like saying I am proud the sky is blue
Nothing of the sort!
I am being proud of something that just happened
I value myself a little more than something "that just happened" thankfully.
Are you more proud of your gender than you would be if you were a woman?
What sort of question is that ? How do you expect me to answer an hypothetical situation with conviction ?
I will try anyway... If I was a woman, I hope I would be as proud as I am for being a man. It is not about one being superior (which your question implies) to the other, it is simply a case of accepting myself and subsequently being proud of that.
Do you also feel 'shame' if another 'white' man does something bad?
What you class as 'bad', I might class as an achievement, etc, so the terminology used is very ambiguous. Anyway, why should I feel 'shame' because person x done action y?
You are totally missing the point... It is not about a collective race, I am proud to me, it is very simple.
However, there are things white people, the English/British, etc have done over the years that I proud of, but that's for a different thread.
Would you feel shame if your skin was darker?
My answer is the same to the gender question, so see above.
I have told you my views on the Political Correctness Brigade, what are yours, as I have yet to see an independent view from yourself... | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 9:33:33 AM |
but I think I would look foolish to say I was proud of my gender, wouldn't I?
No, unless you were unhappy with your gender and/or sexuality and deceiving yourself and others.
My gender is part of who I am, so why is it to foolish ?
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Posted: 10/26/2009 9:42:11 AM |
The other side of PC is the way in which its trying to make things religeon/race friendly, appologies if i'm wrong, but the british were here first (or something like that), so as much as i don't mind islam/sikhisim/hiduisim and hell lets get shinto involved too, i welcome them to scotland and england with open arms, have not got a problem in the slightest. but if you find christmmas and easter offensive then don't come crying to us, its our country, could you imagine me going to Saudi arabia and complaining about their not being enough christianity?? i wouldn't last long would i?
Well I'm a very bad man, and not really the right person to be talking to about religious festivals, or any of "their" or "our" religious rituals etc., as I think it's all bunk.
I don't believe the "supreme being/god" sh@gged the virgin mary, (or however else he's supposed to have inseminated her) any more than I believe in adam and eve.
I do like a good p155-up in the middle of winter as much as the next man though, and the giving of presents is a nice custom, to me it feels equally nice in june.
Not very PC, I know....
Perhaps as belief dwindles, so will adherence to the rituals also naturally dwindle away?
But is that PC or just progress?
There are probably many other ancient rituals we no longer adhere to, fasting at lent, was still quite common when I were a lad, and harvest festivals etc, maypole dancing, punch and judy, dwarf tossing.....
Is the fact that most circuses don't have animals in, also political correctness?
Foxhunting? (The tories do say they'll bring that back!)
Bear baiting?
Doesn't what is considered PC or Un-PC change with the times or with public opinion?
It seems to me that some people complaining about PC are just resistant to change...
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Posted: 10/26/2009 9:46:09 AM | all i say is.
i`m glad i was around in the 70s and early 80s,to enjoy some of the very un pc telly programes,they where a laugh,and nobody minded.
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Posted: 10/26/2009 9:48:55 AM | i don't think its resistance to change and i'm quite sure it has everything to do with common sense. which so happens to be not so common now a days.
if dwarves have no objection to being tossed, why don't we? if they do, we don't, thats not political correctness, thats common sense.
Foxhunting? the only people who had a problem with it are animal rights activists wuich account for about 2% of the population, average joe in edinburgh couldn't give a monkeys about the hunt, and thsi wasn't political correctness at all, this was to do with animal rights.
to be honest, i'm an atheist, and i know that'd really go down like a burning spitfire in saudi.
Political correctness is a phantom, its only there because people put belief in it.
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