| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 11:46:32 AM | He's muslim. So what? Muslim =! Terrorist. I could call you a christian Terrorist, since historically, Christians have murdered more people in the name of God than Muslims have murdered in the name of Allah.
Your proof please. And, you really are showing your ignorance here. Again, do the research. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 11:47:39 AM | So is Jeremish Wright a Muslim now too? Which is it......(false dichotomy incoming) is Obama a Muslim terrorist 'sleeper' that has been imbedded and hidden for 30+ years, or is he a radical left-wing america-hating christian like Wright?
You conspiracy nuts need to get your stories straight. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 11:52:52 AM | And continue not taking your meds apparently.....
Its the coward's way out to criticize and demean someone or something you know nothing about.
Brawk, brawk, brawk.......
"Oh, she's being mean to me and questioning my strongly held beliefs.....I'm just going to try and hit her with an insult...like meds...try to disqualify what she is saying that way..."
It won't work dearie. I've met a lot more intelligent people than you and people with a much larger axe to grind, and it has been an informed axe by the way. It's my goal to be the bigger person. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 11:54:19 AM | So is Jeremish Wright a Muslim now too? Which is it......(false dichotomy incoming) is Obama a Muslim terrorist 'sleeper' that has been imbedded and hidden for 30+ years, or is he a radical left-wing america-hating christian like Wright?
Do the research and you'll find out. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 11:58:44 AM |
when your mind has time to think and wonder and question....
I think, wonder, and question all the time. That is why I recognize what is real. You, by contrast, lack any capacity to think for yourself, which is why you follow whatever lunatic fringe fad that comes along. Do you still have your mood ring?
The most pathetic thing is that you can't recognize that you are the "elitist" that you accuse others of being. You are so certain that your hogwash is "the Truth" that you utterly ignore both logic and facts. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 12:21:37 PM | | I have noticed one thing on this forum. The men are especially mean to women. The ones who pay homage to the great Oz, science, that is. It really is interesting. You hear what could be considered "flakey" from other men, but save the sharp, steely knives for women. Must go with the territory. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 12:33:07 PM | If there were any men on here spouting the kind of ignorant, anti-logical, lunatic freakspeak that you and A&E constantly do, you can be certain that I would be just as harsh toward them.
It is primarily women who preach that kind of brain sewage. Must go with the territory. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:02:36 PM |
Has anyone ever told you you are an insufferable ass? If not, let me be the first.
Coming from you, that is a complement.
It pleases me that it is actually possible to break through that ice-cold, snobbish, smugly self-satisfied, "wiser than thou" exterior of yours. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:15:30 PM |
Your proof please. And, you really are showing your ignorance here. Again, do the research.
Go to wikipedia, type in "Spanish Inquisition"
Go to wikipedia, type in "Crusades"
Hell, go to your library and pull out some reference books on
"The Spanish Inquisition"
and
"The Crusades"
Need I say more? | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:18:28 PM |
So is Jeremish Wright a Muslim now too? Which is it......(false dichotomy incoming) is Obama a Muslim terrorist 'sleeper' that has been imbedded and hidden for 30+ years, or is he a radical left-wing america-hating christian like Wright?
Do the research and you'll find out.
You even say it's a false dichotomy. The fact that you admit that it's a logical fallacy makes your logic terrible, no amount of 'research' will help the argument, as the logic behind it equivically falls flat. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:20:33 PM | I think, wonder, and question all the time. That is why I recognize what is real. You, by contrast, lack any capacity to think for yourself, which is why you follow whatever lunatic fringe fad that comes along. Do you still have your mood ring?
The most pathetic thing is that you can't recognize that you are the "elitist" that you accuse others of being. You are so certain that your hogwash is "the Truth" that you utterly ignore both logic and facts.
1) You don't know me. 2) You never would nor would I give you the opportunity until your narrow-minded "attitude" changed. 3) No, I never owned a mood ring, I was too deeply involved in the arts and raising children. 4) I'm a monist. 5) Yes, I'm absolutely positive what I'm saying about God is true and his son Jesus. Those are the facts. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:20:46 PM |
He's muslim. So what? Muslim =! Terrorist. I could call you a christian Terrorist, since historically, Christians have murdered more people in the name of God than Muslims have murdered in the name of Allah.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything written about Obama and his religion, frankly it isn't important to me. But I'd like to see your proof about Christians killing more people over religious differences than Muslims. They as well as most religion(even lack of religion such as atheist) have a very bloody history. Since most of us on POF have European roots, we are more aware of Christian atrocities. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:22:49 PM |
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything written about Obama and his religion, frankly it isn't important to me. But I'd like to see your proof about Christians killing more people over religious differences than Muslims. They as well as most religion(even lack of religion such as atheist) have a very bloody history. Since most of us on POF have European roots, we are more aware of Christian atrocities.
Essentially that's my point that Christianity has a very bloody past, and you are right. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:27:20 PM | Your proof please. And, you really are showing your ignorance here. Again, do the research.
Go to wikipedia, type in "Spanish Inquisition"
Go to wikipedia, type in "Crusades"
Hell, go to your library and pull out some reference books on
"The Spanish Inquisition"
and
"The Crusades"
Need I say more?
Yes, show me where people who have a personal relationship with Christ did those things?? Hummm, you're talking religion. You're still hung up in Roman Catholicism. There are many born again Catholics and they are my brothers and sisters, but the Catholic church is a cult. Followers of the ancient Mithra/goddess worship, a religion which must procreate itself.
Followers of Christ have been slaughtered and still are in Kenya, in Muslim countries, in Africa in China and in many, many other countries. We're many, millions, but we are united in one thing. We belong to and live for Jesus. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:30:14 PM | Essentially that's my point that Christianity has a very bloody past, and you are right.
No, Roman Catholicism has a bloody past. Followers of Christ had to hide from them. We were heretics. My people had to split up and meet in small groups, we were beheaded, sawn into, boiled in oil, and hung to die on a cross, but we have survived centuries and we are still here for a time, and then we will be gone. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:35:57 PM |
No, Roman Catholicism has a bloody past. Followers of Christ had to hide from them. We were heretics. My people had to split up and meet in small groups, we were beheaded, sawn into, boiled in oil, and hung to die on a cross, but we have survived centuries and we are still here for a time, and then we will be gone.
In the same way that muslim extremists do not represent the religion of Islam as you seem to insinuate through your posts? | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:40:06 PM | | Please look at what happen in England, Ireland and America(to those heathen Indians) if you want to see protestant atrocities against the unbelievers. Protestant faiths just haven't been around long enough to catch up with the other faiths yet, give them time. Heck even The Church of Latter Day Saints has had an atrocity or two under there belts. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:48:01 PM | In the same way that muslim extremists do not represent the religion of Islam as you seem to insinuate through your posts?
Extremist are the dark side of any strongly held belief. They lie in wait for a crisis to occur then step to the forefront promising prosperity for the true follower or believer. This brings me back to the origin post, the woman is questions is just such of an extremist, but I doubt that she has enough of a following. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 1:51:40 PM | Please look at what happen in England, Ireland and America(to those heathen Indians) if you want to see protestant atrocities against the unbelievers. Protestant faiths just haven't been around long enough to catch up with the other faiths yet, give them time. Heck even The Church of Latter Day Saints has had an atrocity or two under there belts.
No one ever said God wasn't a God of wrath. A lot of people seem to think God is all mushy and sweetness and light. He is Holy, blameless and without sin. He IS. Period and always has been.
The killing and attrocities by all human beings grieves his heart. He saves the tears of his children. He knows when a sparrow falls to the ground and when you can't pay your car note this month. He knows it when your wife turns her back on you and seems to be growing cold, he also knows when you lust after the student in your classroom and try to rationalize it by trying to say "there is no God." The Bible says, "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."
God gets angry. Jesus wept. (Shortest verse in the whole Bible). But, God's wrath isn't like our wrath. When my youngest child was into drugs and over-dosed and I had to rush to her side. I love her with ever fiber of my being. I was crushed and broken-hearted. But, I was also angry, angry that she didn't love herself enough to care about herself in the same way I did.
Jesus wept because of the unbelieving friends at the death of Lazrus. They didn't believe that he could raise Lazrus from the dead. That broke his heart, not that Lazrus was dead, because he knew God would breathe life back into him.
Bloodshed is not the fault of God. Bloodshed is because of unbelief and trust and resting in God. Now, if someone is trying to take my life or the lives of my children and grandchildren or the innocent, then believe me, I am an American citizen who believes in the constitutional right to bear arms, and I know how to use them. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 2:00:23 PM | Dear Webweebil,
I don't have speakers with my computer. Do you know if there is a text of the aforementioned video? Politics fascinates, intrigues, frightens and lures me all at the same time. Being from Canada and having a federal election at the same time as your American election, particularly during a world wide economic crisis (which I don't have any understanding of - well at least minimal understanding of) leads me to think that this vote of mine may be one of the most important ones to date.
I was reading the postings about 'How would-be dictators take over a democracy' and recall in a former life (student at the University) while studying philosophy we wandered into Plato's Republic.
The special interests of groups who compete for access to power and the tendency for leadership to insulate and isolate themselves from their 'subjects' creates problems. This seems to be the case for poor Mr. Bush, who by some tragic circumstance, surrounded himself with persons who misled him. His arrogance and self-indulgence made it easy for others to stroke his ego and so he would bring the nation to the brink of disaster through an idiotic foreign policy which was doomed to inspire more terrorism than to quell it. His laissez faire attitude towards unbridled capitalism and unrestrained greed by lack of proper regulatory systems in the banking system had a similar effect - it brought the country to its knees and dragged down not only the population of your country but other foreign assets as well.
We have a Prime Minister, Mr. Harper, who in the leader's debates, has as of yet provided no platform to debate nor has he made clear what his plan is to lead the country through the next few years. Unbelievably he is at the top of the polls as he leads a unified left wing party with three other parties, ranging from middle right to far right wing. (There is a fourth party in the province of Quebec that seeks independence from Canada that rivals the Conservatives but only in Quebec.) He may obtain a minority government with slightly over 30% of the votes cast. He was in favor of going it arm in arm with George Bush with the 'war on terrorism' in Iraq.
Madness is not unique to America as far as I understand and fear, whether it be from an outside enemy (Iraq or anyone else) or internal (the homeland security). Fear is an evil and corroding thread and can be nurtured by disinformation.
Do our media outlets protect us from the folly? What happened in the United States after 9/11 when Bush said, 'Yer with us or yer agin us!!!' Everyone, including the media went running for the tall grasses. Very few persons had the courage to stand up and question the government's actions.
I think I am rambling.
Back to my original question. Is there a text of the interview with Naomi Wolf? | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 2:00:28 PM | | Blood shed is part of humanity or inhumanity and its been with us forever. If there is God who created us he created the human nature in us which includes the part of us that thrive on bloodshed. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 2:06:59 PM | Extremist are the dark side of any strongly held belief. They lie in wait for a crisis to occur then step to the forefront promising prosperity for the true follower or believer. This brings me back to the origin post, the woman is questions is just such of an extremist, but I doubt that she has enough of a following.
Absolute truth there. The weirdos who lay in wait at abortion clinics to end yet another life...isn't it enough that so many lives were already taken there...?
If you study the Qua'ran though, the whole religion is one of extremism. They consider anyone other than Muslim to be infidels.
"Ninety-nine percent of the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims are moderate and see jihad as a self-cleansing process to get back on the path of spiritual excellence. Presidents Mubarak, Musharraf, Ben Ali (Tunisia), Kings Abdullah II of Jordan, Fahd of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed VI of Morocco, and other moderate Muslim leaders, all have told this reporter in the past two years that Islamist extremists are no more than 1 percent of their population.
When we reminded Musharraf that one percent of 140 million is 1.4 million, he said, “you’re right, but I’d never thought of it that way.” Now he realizes it’s a lot more than one percent as politico-religious extremists won the provincial government in the Northwest Frontier Province adjacent to Afghanistan, a share of the Baluchistan government, and 20 percent of the seats in the new national parliament.
One percent of 1.2 billion is 12 million Muslim fanatics who believe America is the Great Satan, fount of all evil, to be attacked and demolished. Whether al-Qaeda is centralized as it was before 9/11 or decentralized, as it appears to be after Bali and Mombassa, is immaterial. Islam is the world’s fastest growing religion. From Sweden (660,000 Muslims out of 5.8 million people) to Switzerland (also 10 percent), Senegal and Somalia in Africa, Sumatra and Singapore in Asia, and South America (especially Brazil and Venezuela), there are Wahhabi and Deobandi mosques. And that’s just the countries beginning with the letter S."
"Is Islam, as President Bush keeps repeating, “a faith based upon peace and love and compassion” committed to “morality and learning and tolerance”? Yes and no. Radical Islam is committed to jihad against the United States and Israel, or a war of civilizations between the Judeo-Christian West and the impoverished Muslim world. The Wahhabis and Deobandis hate all things American, and are intolerant vis-à-vis all religions outside their own warped view of Islam."
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2003/jan/13/00029/
Now, Christianity poses that to know and be in relationship with God through his son Jesus, brings life and freedom. It says not to make bedfellows of non believers but to love them and fight for THEIR right to believe as they wish because God doesn't force himself on anyone.
Who would you rather have in office??? Personally, I would rather have Ralph Nader or Ron Paul. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/7/2008 2:22:00 PM |
Florida was really won by Bush, resulting in a Bush win in the electorial college, even though Gore won the popular vote.
Just got back from work and saw where this thread had progressed to. Someone earlier mentioned that in american democracy....one man=one vote.
Really ? | |
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