| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 5:21:45 AM | Know the author.
Anyway, on to Brian Harring. Brian is a computer geek who works on Linux stuff (I won't even begin to describe it, I'm not that computer literate!). Brian knew Peter Stahl (one of the many pseudonyms used by Walter Storch, editor of TBRNews) a few years ago and lost touch. He became aware that his name was being used on the military deaths story because he began getting e-mails from readers who googled his name trying to track him down. He then googled TBRNews and Walter Storch and came across my original diary where he recognized the name Peter Stahl as someone he once knew. He then e-mailed me wanting to know if I knew how to contact Mr. Stahl. This was when I wrote the second diary on the subject. I did some independent checking, made a few calls and have determined that the computer-geek Brian Harring is who he says he is. And he is NOT the one who wrote the TBRNews story.
Brian then contacted (via e-mail) Peter Stahl to get him to cease and desist using his name on the story. What ensued was a series of e-mails back and forth between the two. Brian then catalogued the whole story on his blog, complete with copies of all the e-mails and background on his past relationship with Pete Stahl.
His latest entry along with another e-mail to me today details the fact that he is now being threatened by Mr. Stahl and the "publisher" who is supposedly going to write a book based on "Brian Harring's" DOD findings.
Now, the tie-in to the story from 2002 that I reference above is important to why the theory quoted above makes some sense. The so-called publisher for this current book is a woman named Carol Adler from Dandelion Books. It's clear when you google her or Dandelion that this is a sham on-line publishing operation, as evidenced here. This is also the organization tied to S. Boyle's story from 2002 where he found evidence of umbrella ownership with a number of these conspiracy-pushing websites. I think TBRNews is also one of these websites and part of this umbrella organization which S. Boyle identifies as Great Dominion. What I don't know is who is behind it all. Or is it simply coincidence that Stahl is trying to get this fake book published by Dandelion Books?
Perhaps this is something e-Pluribus Media would like to dig into. I think there is a story here, but I have limited resources, any help would be appreciated.
Thanks! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/12/18359/8939
Furthermore, IF all the above were true and not just more propoganda, I would have to add that President Bush is but the tip of the iceberg. This kind of "so-called" military postulating and manipulation has gone on throughout many presidencies in my lifetime.
Anyone who is lame enough to believe that Obama will somehow end all this military postulating and anyone who believes Iran isn't rapidly getting ready to drop the big one on Israel or perhaps Pakistan...is living in an altered state of reality. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 5:47:32 AM |
Why don't you educate yourself before you go posting your tripe on a public forum?
I can only assume that you are referring to yourself with this suggestion! | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 5:50:45 AM | I and two other of my family have spent years researching the threads of power that control humanity.
If you have been doing all that "research", how come 99.99% of everything you say is wrong? Obviously, you need to find more reliable sources! | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 6:27:57 AM | I can only assume that you are referring to yourself with this suggestion!
If you have been doing all that "research", how come 99.99% of everything you say is wrong? Obviously, you need to find more reliable sources.
Once again, because I am a grownup, I'm refusing to respond to your infantile analysis of something you feel threatened by, or perhaps you are having a flashback....whatever, IF you ever have anything responsible, intelligent or civil to say...I might take the time again to respond...but, in the meantime...I'm moving ahead to hang out with adult. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2008 6:40:45 AM | A&E: Why not show us all how smart you are by figuring out how the "quote" thing works. Then we wil be able to see when someones quote ends & your post starts...
It's really not that dificult, but you seem to be having some trouble with it... | |
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Posted: 10/9/2008 9:17:49 AM | Once again, because I am a grownup, I'm refusing to respond to your infantile analysis of something you feel threatened by, or perhaps you are having a flashback....whatever, IF you ever have anything responsible, intelligent or civil to say...I might take the time again to respond...but, in the meantime...I'm moving ahead to hang out with adults.
Limey, you sound like the donkey in Shrek, "Pick me, pick me, pick me". Just because you never have anything intelligent or enlightening to say doesn't mean you have to jump up and down for attention....everyone knows you are here. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 9:19:41 AM | Thanks, A&E. I must say you never fail to surprise me! I think you may have gone down as many rabbit holes as I. Maybe more. I posted it for comments since I find it food for thought yet haven't reached any hard conclusions myself.
I have opted out of the Obama/McCain discussion because, quite frankly, I find the whole of politics today to be a three-ring-circus and do not engage in the surface side-picking at all. I don't watch television (except for HGTV while I'm on the treadmill.) I don't participate in the sham "voting process" because it's a giant distraction and energy-waster that it was designed to be.
There may be truth to the story and I very much agree that it's just the tip of the iceberg and it is futile to think that one party or the other will change any of the deep operations that are conducted with black ops money. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 9:24:40 AM |
Once again, because I am a grownup, I'm refusing to respond to your infantile analysis of something you feel threatened by, or perhaps you are having a flashback....whatever, IF you ever have anything responsible, intelligent or civil to say...I might take the time again to respond...but, in the meantime...I'm moving ahead to hang out with adults.
Limey, you sound like the donkey in Shrek, "Pick me, pick me, pick me". Just because you never have anything intelligent or enlightening to say doesn't mean you have to jump up and down for attention....everyone knows you are here.
Why on earth did you quote YOURSELF when it was Limey that you were responding to????
This makes even less sense than the things you usually do (which is an impressive accomplishment! LOL.) | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 10:02:56 AM | Why on earth did you quote YOURSELF when it was Limey that you were responding to????
This makes even less sense than the things you usually do (which is an impressive accomplishment! LOL.
The quote was a copy and paste (you know, paste, that stuff you ate too much of in school) of the same message I sent to you....with an addendum...thought it might be easier to understand in copy...but guess I was wrong.
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 10:27:51 AM | Apparently there are those who need to have the spotlight focused on themselves. They will troll and get personal if need be toward that end. It's hard to keep a discussion on topic. Personally, I am not a good cat-herder. I eventually just sit back and enjoy the show. Once I get attacked personally, I don't take it lying down. I may be able to control that urge eventually.
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 11:29:04 AM |
Your words are incredibly rude and crast....it's crass not crast
Thanks for the correction, this makes it clear that you got my meaning.
Webweebil, you're a-ok in my book. Love the info, please keep it coming.
I agree with you about the sham diversionary voting process. I also agree with you about T.V., and also agree with you about those who love the spot light.
Looks like I can't stop agreeing with you!
Sitting back and watching the show can sometimes be both entertaining and annoying.
Now back to the topic at hand, anybody catch this NY Times article:
U.S. May Take Ownership Stake in Banks
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS and MARK LANDLER
Published: October 8, 2008
"WASHINGTON — Having tried without success to unlock frozen credit markets, the Treasury Department is considering taking ownership stakes in many United States banks to try to restore confidence in the financial system, according to government officials" . . .
"The proposal resembles one announced on Wednesday in Britain. Under that plan, the British government would offer banks like the Royal Bank of Scotland, Barclays and HSBC Holdings up to $87 billion to shore up their capital in exchange for preference shares. It also would provide a guarantee of about $430 billion to help banks refinance debt."
Fed officials increasingly talk about the challenge they face with a phrase that President Bush used in another context: “regime change.”
"This regime change refers to a change in the economic environment so radical that, at least for a while, economic policy makers will need to suspend what are usually sacred principles: minimal interference in free markets, gradualism and predictability".
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/business/economy/09econ.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
Some of the comments are very interesting. Looks like not all of America is fooled into believing this is good news and can see it for what it is. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 11:37:38 AM | | If we pick apart the doublespeak, it appears that they would like to make the Federal Reserve another branch of the government. Implied: They would have military and governmental powers. Of course, this is what they would like to have had people believe all along. The Fed is a very, very illegal entity that is out to destroy democracy. They have insinuated themselves in to our democracy through back door measures and are now taking their mask off. I hope the American people are awake enough to sense what is happening... | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 11:41:40 AM | webweebil
Keep up the good fight. Let's veer this back on topic.
America is in fact showing the traits of a burgeoning dictator led country. I won't
say Dictatorship because that will never happen fully but the omnipresent sense of
fear is becoming more acute by the day.
I stopped watching TV. I got sick of the "imminent Terrorist attack" warnings and the
constant fear mongering coming out of the major news orgs.
I think we've all been naive as citizens. We've overlooked the media oligarchy
We've put up with phony campaigns in the form of "War on Drugs" "War on Crime" "War on Poverty"
When you see a "real" war you see the vast disparity in funding.
We put up with white collar crime that does more damage to us all yet we want to throw the book at
kids for fighting or other petty crimes.
We've become so so densensitized to human pain and suffering it feels like the natural course of life. However
we become emotional about "defenseless" animals that are subjected to the same pain and suffering.
We've allowed the Constitution to become a "GD piece of paper" and say nothing when the leaders crow about instituting
Democracy within Middle East nations when we don't even practice it well ourselves.
We've created a dichotomy in Religion. We expect our elected leaders to be God fearin' individuals but we rebuke attempts to evoke Religion within schools or other State and Federal entity.
Some areas in the US have %20 unemployment...yet when I call to get "support" I'm now routinely talking to someone in India or elsewhere.
Students are actively shunning Computer Science and Engineering degrees because the Tech Industry has lobbied to extend and increase H1b Visa (why put yourself in deep debt only to come out and see a foreigner take your position)
Notice that Citizens are told that competing with those abroad for American jobs is just "Globalization" yet show me these migrant workers on the front lines in Iraq and Afghanistan. Globalization flies out the window when the US needs new bodies to carry out militaristic endeavors.
Citizens need to realize that the relationship between the Citizenry and Government is not a child to a parent but actually the inverse. We are numerically superior and contain the largest knowledgebase. When we scold our Govt we do so not from a dissident and unpatriotic manner but from loving correction. As all good parents do.
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Posted: 10/9/2008 11:55:58 AM |
I stopped watching TV.
& there's our first step to recovery!
You must take back your community, before you can take back your country.
Go to city council meetings. Meet your rep. Get informed about the issues & powers that be. VOTE IN LOCAL ELECTIONS! Make sure that your rep KNOWS you WILL vote him/her out on their patootie if the side w/ the special interests. Follow up his/her actions w/ a letter to show you ARE going to be constantly watching. Write letters to the editor about important votes/issues.
& ABOVE ALL.....buy local.
Consolidated economic power IS political power. Quit shipping your power to distant locales. Who do you want influencing your local laws.....owners who have to live down the street, or Corporate Headquarters 6 states away?
The current state of the US is what we get for trading competentcy for convenience. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 11:56:00 AM |
America is in fact showing the traits of a burgeoning dictator led country.
I agree. Bush has been running things as though he were a dictator, and nobody has lifted a finger to stop him. Certainly nobody but him wanted his war. (Not to mention the fact that he lost the election but became president anyway because of the corrupt electoral college system!) | |
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Posted: 10/9/2008 12:02:24 PM | ^^^^^ Absolutely. I knew they'd finally be something we can agree on Intoart.
What I don't understand is why Americans did not call for impeachment.
When will the indictments begin, that's what I want to know! | |
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Posted: 10/9/2008 12:24:52 PM | Excellent summation of the current climate the average citizen finds him/herself in today! I started peeking behind the curtain before 9/11 and invested in gold, ignoring the protests of my business partner (who didn't hold the majority share, lol.) He called me a "conspiracy theorist" and accused me of lacking common sense. Now, he's made over triple on the initial investment I forced on his behalf.
If one looks clearly at what's happening (no matter how uncomfortable that view may be,) one can act. However, I'm feeling more and more like the avenues of advancing towards an autonomous and "good" life are shutting down or are under threat of closing. I bailed on the dot.com wave just after the Microsoft case. I was in Redmond, having dinner across from the lead attorney at Microsoft when I did a six-week stint for $75k and smelled not just the coffee, but the dessert that was soon to be served. It pays to keep one's mind outside of the "club" long enough for a reality check. If I were purely self-serving, I certainly wouldn't be participating in public forums trying to wake people up. I'd be lounging on a beach far away from this dystopia.
I never once forgot the adage, "if not for fate, there go I" and cannot feel for those who have been less fortunate. What I cannot fathom is their stubborn refusal to wake up. I'm finding it harder and harder to practice tolerance for obtuse ignorance.
The "War on Terror," just like all the other "wars" since Viet Nam is deliberately non-geographic and open-ended. How convenient to have these so-called "wars." Each one leading to more and more restrictions to our freedoms. This latest is the most boldest frontal attack to our civil rights. They are now taking the gloves off. I just hope that the US citizen hasn't become too dumbed down, toxic and desensitized to their own Selfhood to allow for a full-out coup.
The only thing that keeps me from utter despair is knowing that First Cause (creator) is impusled to novelty vs. stasis. The tired old battle between truth and fear has certainly gotten stale and must be an abomination to an Intelligent Universe! | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 12:29:43 PM | This will sound absurdly liberal but:
Past President gets a blow-job and charges of impeachment reign down for it.
current President enacts the Patriot Act, Abuses his limited War-Powers and extends them beyond the laws of the Constitution, and under false premises persuades the country to invade Iraq... And nothing. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2008 12:36:41 PM | | This will sound extremely conspiratorial but; past president worked for Sr. Bush and ran the drup ops in Mena, AR for the cartel. The blow-job media circus was a distraction from Oklahoma and Bosnia. Kind of like a magician's trick of creating a sensation while the real stuff sneaks by the public. Bread and circus. Welcome to Rome part Duh. | |
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| How would-be dictators take over a democracy
Posted: 10/9/2008 12:47:28 PM |
This will sound absurdly liberal but:
Past President gets a blow-job and charges of impeachment reign down for it.
current President enacts the Patriot Act, Abuses his limited War-Powers and extends them beyond the laws of the Constitution, and under false premises persuades the country to invade Iraq... And nothing.
Exactly! The Shrub has dictatorial control, so that nobody can touch him!
Clinton, by contrast, was a highly effective president who merely got caught with his pants down.
Democrats=Jedi. Republicans=Sith. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2008 1:19:51 PM |
Exactly! The Shrub has dictatorial control, so that nobody can touch him!
Clinton, by contrast, was a highly effective president who merely got caught with his pants down.
Democrats=Jedi. Republicans=Sith.
Personally I see it like this:
The American People: Luke Skywalker before his Jedi Training
Democrats: Darth Vader
Republicans: The Emperor Palpatine (Darth Siddous) | |
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